Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket

Latest comment: 1 day ago by Hack in topic ESPNcricinfo and umpiring stats
Main pageDiscussionNews &
open tasks
The NetsAssessmentThe

Lofty Herman Edit

Hello all. I've just began the expansion of this 322 FC appearance Hampshire cricketer (+ over 200 FC matches as an umpire). I was wondering if anyone has any written sources which talk about Herman, as I don't! With over 1,000 FC wickets, he should be quite a substantial article once expanded. Cheers, StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 10:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

County Championship table Edit

Would anyone know how to fix the 2023 County Championship table so that Middlesex have the correct number of points, currently 87? I think the issue is their draw with Northants in July, which ended with the scores level. The team batting last gets 8 points for a draw in this case, rather than the usual 5 but I can't see any way of allowing for this in the table points setup. The table in the article (not updated for the most recent round) shows them on 81 points, which should have been 84. Does anyone have the knowledge of how to correct this? Thanks. Bcp67 (talk) 15:36, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The module's permanently protected, so you'll have to raise an edit request over at Module talk:Sports table detailing this. Hopefully someone there can help out! Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 14:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thankfully the CricketCC style module isn't protected so I was able to edit it for this. There's now a drawbonus which will assign an extra 3 points without affecting the number of draws. The County Championship table should be right now. MsJoat (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you MsJoat, that's great of you to fix it. I've added a note on the table re Middlesex's points as well.--Bcp67 (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Another interesting Hampshire cricketer! Edit

Hello all. A mystery to solve here! I have begun expanding and researching Edward Hemsted (1846-1884 - allegedly!). Firstly, he seems to be known more as Edmund in reports and in the Lancing College register. I have found a record of an Edmund Hemsted as attending the University of London, matriculating in 1865, which matches his age. He briefly plays for Hampshire for a few years (1866-1869). Next I have found an Edmund Hemsted in Belfast in 1872, studying medicine at Queen's. Newspaper reports in the 1890s show an Edmund Hemsted in Newbury practicing as a surgeon (the Hemsted's were from Newbury, so must be the same person). But, the cricketer (whose father is from Newbury) dies in 1884 in Weymouth? I haven't found any news articles reporting on this under either Edmund or Edward; however, a victim of crime in Weymouth by the same name is present in early 1884 news reports. There is another Edward Hemsted from Newbury knocking about on The Gazette, he is a soldier, but the date of his first commission would make him 17, so I'm thinking this isn't the same person as the cricketer as that seems too young to be commissioned (the soldier dies in 1903).

So the question is: which Hemsted is Edward/Edmund Hemsted?

  • A). The surgeon?
  • B). The soldier?
  • C). Or the Weymouth man?

If anyone might be able to spare some time to see if I'm looking at this all wrong, that would be appreciated! I think "A" and his date of death is for the wrong person, and that CA/CI have his first name wrong. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 21:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think, with a brief look, that the cricketer is probably C and is neither a surgeon nor a soldier. And he is Edward Hemsted. His father, Tobias Rustal (maybe Rustat) Hemsted, was indeed part of a Berkshire family, but was a surgeon at Whitchurch (Hampshire, but not far from Newbury) by 1836 when he married. Tobias appeared in the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses at Whitchurch and died in 1880. Edward was baptised at Whitchurch on 16 November 1846 and was in the same house as his father in the 1851 census, aged 4, and the 1871 census, aged 24, when he has no recorded occupation; in the 1881 census, he's still living with his now-widowed mother (Mary Ann) in Whitchurch and is recorded as a "brewer unemployed". On 21 August 1882, Edward Hemsted, aged 35 and with no profession declared, married Ellen Butler (aged 39) at All Saints Church, Whitchurch. Edward and Ellen Hemsted were living at Upway (Upwey) near Weymouth in September 1883 and the disappearance of some of their money was the subject of a court case in January 1884 reported in local newspapers. Hampshire burial lists have Edward Hemsted being buried at Whitchurch on 17 March 1884, with his "abode" given as "Upway, Dorset". What I can't do, with a 10-minute look, is to link this Edward Hemsted with either Lancing or London University, or indeed with Hampshire cricket. I'll see what I can find tomorrow, if anything else. Johnlp (talk) 23:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS. Edward Hemsted, aged 14 and born in Whitchurch, was a pupil at Chatham House School at Ramsgate in Kent at the time of the 1861 census. That correlates with his appearance for the Gentlemen of Kent in 1863 when he was described in a contemporary report as "a very young player, and a good one". Maybe more tomorrow. Johnlp (talk) 00:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for this thorough look, John. Going to Chatham House School does answer my thought as to how he ended up playing for a Gentlemen of Kent side when no Kent connection seemed apparent. The Lancing College connection, would appear to be an error from Dave Allen at Hampshire (the Lancing Edmund Hemsted was born in 1846). Would appear that the one I thought least likely is the most likely! Thanks again :) StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 09:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know where Lancing comes into this, if at all. The Newbury Hemsteds look like cousins and there is at least one Edmund Hemsted in that branch of the family: an Edmund was 16 in the 1861 census, also at Chatham House School in Ramsgate. There's also an Edmund Hemsted, "medical student" in the probate records, who died on Christmas Day 1880 in Islington aged 33: his widow, Sophia, outlived him by more than 50 years, and they had two daughters, one born in Islington in 1870/71 and the second in Cape Town in 1875/76. The patriarch of the Newbury lot was also a doctor. But I think the Whitchurch chap is your man and that he doesn't seem to have bothered much with earning a living. Johnlp (talk) 10:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would say Lancing probably doesn't come into it, with the Hants historian having confused Edmund and Edward and merged the two into one! Somewhere along the lines is yet another Edmund Hemsted, who is a surgeon (likely specialising as a pathologist) in the 1890s in the Newbury area. What's the rule on here with using census information in articles? StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 12:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Suspect this all counts as OR. Which it is, I suppose. If Hampshire CCC can be persuaded to amend their records to include his education and a few more facts about him, then we can quote them as a secondary source. But someone else has to do it before we can do it here. Johnlp (talk) 18:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll drop a comment on the Hampshire Cricket History site and see if Dave Allen picks it up. Thanks again for helping out with this one John! StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 22:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket Edit

We currently lack an article on the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket, even though the publication of its report a few months ago was arguably the most significant event in English cricket this year - certainly going by the amount of media coverage it received. I don't think I have the time to write such an article myself, though I would happily proof read any article that someone else produced. JH (talk page) 08:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I said I was going to read the report at some point... Don't count on me to do it but it does have important tie ins with what I've been doing on the Women's cricket page so I'll need to write something significant about it at some point.MsJoat (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I made it. Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket. Desertarun (talk) 18:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That was quick! Thanks. I'll take a look at it, though that may have to wait until tomorrow. JH (talk page) 19:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ehsanul Haque Edit

A World Cup cricketer at AFD. Anybody able to find anything offline or in non-English language sourcing. Had a respectable domestic career also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ESPNcricinfo and umpiring stats Edit

Anyone know why ESPNcricinfo doesn't count Tests as first-class matches for umpires? Example Hack (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The people who code their database probably got something wrong. Do you know if the same applies for ODIs not counting as List A? – PeeJay 15:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looking at the Marais Erasmus article, the same applies for ODIs. [1] Hack (talk) 01:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]