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Trying to get more musical theater writing women on Wiki

Hey! By my count only 8 of 29 of the BMI alums on the BMI Lehman Engel Musical Theatre Workshop are women, and I think they are a few who are missing who could be notable enough to have pages. I've written a base-level draft for Draft:Sara Wordsworth for anyone who'd like to jump in and help. (I haven't submitted it to AfC yet, as I don't think it's ready/could use some sprucing up, but I hope there's enough to justify notability!)

Buf if anyone has an interest in musical theater and would be interested in jumping in there, I'd greatly appreciate it! Additionally, the next person I have my eye on, is making a page for Kate Leonard https://www.yourfriendkate.com/about I'm not 100% sure if she's done enough to warrant a page, but she was a cowriter of some reasonably popular musicals, including Ratatouille the musical which raised $2 million dollars for the Actors Fund during the pandemic - which I think was the most they ever made from a fundraiser.

So, those are just some ideas for anyone with a love of musicals who's looking for pages to work on! Wikipedian339 (talk) 21:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedian339: It seems close to meeting notability requirements, There may be some useful material in this. While the links to the awards are useful, it would be good to find more independent biographical coverage. If you cannot put together a full biography, you could always expand on her involvement in In Transit.--Ipigott (talk) 09:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the guidance @Ipigott! I did a deeper dive and found more things in the personal life section in addition to some more projects for the career section. If you get a chance, can you let me know what you think now Draft:Sara Wordsworth? Thanks a million! Wikipedian339 (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Following improvements, now in mainspace.--Ipigott (talk) 10:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

help - Good articles project?

Hi! I thought I signed up for something happening in June trying to increase the number of Good-rated articles about women; where I could ask for an article to be read through quickly by experienced reviewers to tell me if/how it might be quick-failed within the Good review process. But now I can't find that page. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and/or have a link? jengod (talk) 14:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Was it Women in Green’s editathon? ForsythiaJo (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Yesssss! Thank you @ForsythiaJo!! jengod (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by birth month/Women born in February

There is a person named Silvia Reyes in this list, but I am afraid that your bot will remove this entry from the list, thinking that there is now an article about the Peruvian referee. There isn't!!! That new article is about the Spanish transgender activist of the same name. I am currently going through articles linking the referee and amending the text [[Silvia Reyes]] to read [[Silvia Reyes (referee)|Silvia Reyes]], tedious though this is. I know, though, that I cannot edit the page named in my heading. Could somebody please arrange to keep the referee Reyes's name on the list? There is still no article about her, after all, and the transgender activist is far from being one and the same. Thanks.Kelisi (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

This problen occurs not only on the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by birth month/Women born in February but also on the pages Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by time period/1980-1989 and Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlinks/S1. Kelisi (talk) 20:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata has two separate entries, and the referee has articles in German, French, and hu.wiki (Hungarian?). The Spanish activist has 4 articles in other wikis. PamD 20:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Anne Finucane's biography

Hello! I have submitted a request to update the article about American banker Anne Finucane, who has retired from the vice chair role at Bank of America and taken on other responsibilities. Here is a link to my first request. Are any WikiProject Women in Red editors able to take a look and update her page for me? I am also notifying User:Victuallers, who has reviewed the article previously. Thank you! KMBrightSide (talk) 20:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi KMBrightSide, when making requests like this could you please indicate at the top that you are a paid editor? Thank you. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you and a good point. I think all biogs that are updated by paid editors should record that imput. I have exchanged emails with one of the people who paid KMBrightSide and I don't think they realised what mesaage you send when you pay an editor to write about you. The article I saw by KMBrightSide was (IMO) sycophantic. None of it was actually 100% wrong but on the spectrum between marketing and biography it was not as close to biography as I would expect from an uninvolved editor. The article has since been substantially improved by having sections deleted. Victuallers (talk) 07:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It would be useful if KMBS added a clear COI icon to their talk page. It's some consolation to hear that I am not the only member of Women in Red to be repeatedly invited by COI editors to incorporate suggestions for "improvement". While some of the requests I receive seem reasonable, most require extensive examination and seldom meet immediate approval. I must say I am not at all happy about spending so much valuable time reviewing requests from paid editors who are obviously primarily interested in supporting those who pay for their services. Perhaps we can take a more coordinated approach. Any suggestions?--Ipigott (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Innisfree987, Victuallers, and Ipigott: Thank you all for your responses here. I appreciate the time you've taken to engage with my request and for your guidance. I thought I had properly disclosed my COI when I listed it on my account page and the Talk page where I initially posted my request for an edit review, but I can see now that I should have called it out here too. I will make sure to note it at the top in any future edit review requests and I have added that COI icon to my talk page, as suggested. On Victuallers' reference to "the article I saw by KMBrightSide," I just wanted to clarify that I've never authored an article on Wikipedia, and this recent request we are discussing is the only intervention I have ever made on the platform. I respect and am fully committed to working within Wikipedia's rules. KMBrightSide (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Innisfree987, KMBrightSide, and Ipigott: I do apologise unreservedly KMBrightSide. I had been mistaken by edits I had recently seen by another paid author and I had negligently failed to check in enough detail. That was completely my fault. Thank you for your gentle reposte. Victuallers (talk) 08:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Victuallers: Please accept my belated thanks for your very kind reply! I hope you’re having a lovely week. KMBrightSide (talk) 00:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Women's firsts

Category:Women's firsts (and its various sub-categories, associated lists, etc.) may be of interest to participants of this wikiproject. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikiesfera and other Wikimedia gender gap projects on Guardian

Hi and sorry if I put this in the wrong place, the projects changed the structure and is hard for me to understand where to highlight this. Recently The Guardian and EuroWeekly News dedicated two articles (1 & 2) to Wikiesfera (a Spanish gender gap project and affiliate). There also nominated Whose Knowledge?, WikiDonne and Les sans pagEs for enwiki, itwiki and frwiki. Kudos to all. Camelia (talk) 09:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the infos! Mujinga (talk) 11:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know anything much about Spanish WP, but "Just under a fifth of Wikipedia’s content, including biographies, is focused on women,..." (Guardian article) sounds suspiciously like a typically mangled Guardian distortion of the en:wp stats, where - crudely - 25% of articles are biographies, of which 20% are of women, so only 5% of all articles are biographies of women. In the unlikely event that the Guardian's numbers relate to any reality, then the Spanish Wikipedia has done a fantastically good job! Or they don't have many articles on places, species and the other non-gendered subjects that make up the majority of en:wp articles. Johnbod (talk) 16:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The Guardian article links to this WMF page, so the confusion is at least partly due to the WMF. TSventon (talk) 17:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Or totally. That page says "As of March 2023, only 18.5% of the content in all Wikimedia projects, including biographies on Wikipedia ..", which seems oddly high to me. What's the male figure? Johnbod (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok, from the Humanwiki page they link to that is "All Humans with at least one Wikipedia article", so very far from all "the content in all Wikimedia projects"! Pah. Johnbod (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Redlists

Hi! Sorry if it has been asked before, but could I add articles to the redlist at the LGBTQ+ women meetup? Many thanks! NoonIcarus (talk) 23:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

NoonIcarus The redlist section says "Add other red links here, if possible with a source", so you could add more. TSventon (talk) 11:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: Ah, silly me, roger. Thanks! --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Sandra Hemme, longest serving wrongfully convicted woman in US history

I just created a draft for Draft:Sandra Hemme. Her conviction for a murder over 40 years ago has recently been overturned. It is believed the murder actually was committed by a police officer. Thriley (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I just realized there is already an article about the case: Murder of Patricia Jeschke. Not sure if Hemme warrants a separate article. Thriley (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Public domain photo for Janice Underwood?

I just started Janice Underwood as part of the education and LGBTQ+ editathons. I thought for sure there would be a PD photo of Underwood because she was the first chief diversity officer of the U.S. Fed Government. I can't seem to find any. Maybe someone else may have better luck. TJMSmith (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Janice Underwood, United States governmentwide chief diversity officer, in 2023

Hello! --GRuban (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!!! TJMSmith (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hurdlers in red

I am planning to soon start a good article nomination for the article 2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles. At the moment, it still contains ten women in red who may of interest to this project (i.e. the ten red links in the table in the Round 1 subsection). – Editør (talk) 17:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Unable to verify knighthood

I am working on an article about Sister Anita Smisek in my sandbox. I am trying to verify "In 1995, the Czech community honored Anita with that nation's highest award. The Order of Knights of Comenius" from this source. I have been unable to find proof that the Order of Knights of Comenius is an actual thing. SL93 (talk) 23:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

According to page 4 of this Smisek received The Order of Knights of Comenius from the Czech Cultural Center Houston in 2004. According to page 2, 1995 was the year the Czech Cultural Center started. TSventon (talk) 00:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. That page also includes information that I previously couldn't find. SL93 (talk) 00:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Multiple sources contradict each other on things so I scrapped the article. SL93 (talk) 01:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Transgender pioneers in Spain

Given that LGBT Pride month is coming to an end, and therefore also the activity of the Women in Red Wikiproject related to it, I have thought of highlighting 4 Spanish trans women whose translation could be of special interest to the members of the wikiproject.

• Juani Bermejo Vega Quantum computing researcher
• Yani Forner First trans woman to star in a Spanish film
• Judith Juanhuix Researcher and doctor in physics
• María Pachón Monge First trans woman in the Spanish armed forces

--Peridotito (talk) 12:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Corinne Peek-Asa draft at Articles for Creation

On behalf of the University of California, San Diego, I have submitted a draft article about American epidemiologist Corinne Peek-Asa (red-linked in this list and at WikiProject Women in Red/Fellowships) as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Sharing a notice here in case any WikiProject Women in Red participants are interested in taking a look. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Patricia R. Zimmermann

Zimmerman, a film scholar, is notable but the draft needs some work if anyone is inclined. Digging around she is mentioned at Orphan film, Asian Film Archive. Robin Curtis (scholar), Finger Lakes Environmental Film Festival, Karen L. Ishizuka, EBS International Documentary Festival and Transnational cinema along with being cited in a few. S0091 (talk) 15:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Humaniki to be restored early August

I have just heard from Maximilianklein that he expects to be able to fix the problems with Humaniki around 7 August. It has not been updated since 24 June. In the meantime, the monthly stats on the Metrics page should provide an indication of progress. (cc Oronsay).--Ipigott (talk) 09:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Ipigott, apologies if this is a silly question, but what is the current problem with Humaniki? Isn't it normally updated weekly? TSventon (talk) 10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

TSventon: I am not sure what the current problem is but in the past there have been problems with server space and server accessibility. Fortunately Max Klein who developed the feature (as well as earlier versions reflecting our statistics) has always been in a position to deal with problems within a reasonable time despite heavy commitments to other research projects. I believe updates are based on wikidumps which occur every two weeks. If you are not satisfied with this arrangement, it might be possible to provide a backup based on a statistical analysis of the number of women's biographies compared to the total number of biographies on the English Wikipedia but Humaniki is regularly used for many other language versions and also covers Commons and other wiki projects. It therefore seems to me preferable to stick with Humaniki unless more lengthy delays occur.--Ipigott (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I just wanted to understand what problems Women in Red has been having or is expecting to have with Humaniki, so I gather that there may be a six week gap until around 7 August. I agree that shouldn't be a major problem, particularly as we have been warned in advance. TSventon (talk) 13:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• My apologies for this post which was based on an email from Max Klein. It seems however to be a false alarm as I now see that Humaniki has been updating regularly (oce every two weeks) and that our main Women in Red page has been adjusted accordingly.--Ipigott (talk)

That is good as there are almost 399,000 bios on women, so we might see 400,000 in the next month or so. TSventon (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ipigott, Normally the update is available on every Friday morning (Sydney, AUS time). If not, I try to check back once or twice a day and change the figures on WIR's homepage when Humaniki has done its work. 400,000 will be another nice milestone on the way to 20% and beyond. Oronsay (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red July 2024

Women in Red | July 2024, Volume 10, Issue 7, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 312, 313 Online events: New: Translation contest 2024 | Science Fiction and Fantasy | Women in Sports Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Wiki Loves Sport 2024 22 July - 22 September Tip of the month: A foreign language biography does not guarantee notability for English Wikipedia. Check the guidelines before you start. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

--Lajmmoore (talk 14:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

V Pappas draft at Articles for Creation

Hello! On behalf of the subject, I have submitted a draft article about Australian-American businessperson V Pappas — also known as Vanessa Pappas; red-linked at 50 Most Influential (Bloomberg ranking) — as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Sharing a notice here in case any WikiProject Women in Red participants are interested in taking a look. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this @Inkian Jason - I'd like to see a bit more included about the Senate hearing see & there's quite a few references coming up from google books see - also, it would be great to see some criticism from a reputable source Lajmmoore (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

No talk page announcement yet for July?

I don't seem to have had the usual monthly announcement (but I've already got a woman sci-fi writer lined up to translate...). PamD 09:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems to me that it may be because today's a Sunday. I have alerted Magalibrarygirl and Victuallers but there has been no response. Unfortunately, it's already 1 July in Australia. I believe Rosiestep is unable to handle this kind of thing herself but perhaps she could encourage others...--Ipigott (talk) 14:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I see that the July announcement got sent. Yay! A friendly FYI for another time: Gamaliel and Ser Amantio di Nicolao are also WiR members and admins (have MassMessage rights) so maybe they'd have time and inclination to assist with this task. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello! It was me - I didn't see the ping that the invite was ready, so logged on yesterday to check. It would be great to have more people MM - I'm happy to do it, but as I say, all it takes is one missed notification and things get out of step! Lajmmoore (talk) 17:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Keily Blair draft

Hi editors, I wrote a draft for OnlyFans CEO Keily Blair that may be of interest to the folks here. I have a COI so I cannot create the article directly, but would love it if someone here could take a look and offer their feedback, even move it to being a full article if you think it merits that. I appreciate any insight you have. You can find the draft here. Cheers AG at OnlyFans (talk) 00:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks pretty balanced to me, and I made a few edits. It might be good to get one more editor's opinion on moving it to mainspace. Nick Number (talk) 22:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Number: Thanks for taking a look and making those changes. I'll let this sit here for a few more days. If no one else responds, mind if I ping you to see if there is anywhere else we might attract another reviewer? AG at OnlyFans (talk) 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@AG at OnlyFans Ok. Also, if you want to upload a better photo than the one I found on Flickr, there are some guidelines here. The Wikimedia Commons method is easiest if you have an image you can license appropriately. Nick Number (talk) 18:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Number: Good tip, thanks. I will take a look at what photos we may be able to donate. Did you have any thoughts on where we might find another reviewer? AG at OnlyFans (talk) 01:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@AG at OnlyFans: In the absence of other input, I went ahead and moved it to mainspace. Nick Number (talk) 03:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Fight Like a Girl and Boys Will Be Boys lack en.Wikipedia entries

For anyone interested, Clementine Ford (2016). Fight Like a Girl. Allen & Unwin. ISBN 978-1-76029-236-2. OL 19763225W. Wikidata Q126947622. and Clementine Ford (2018). Boys Will Be Boys. Oneworld Publications. ISBN 978-1-76087-862-7. OL 21337917W. Wikidata Q126947742. could potentially be split off as individual book articles here in en.Wikipedia if enough sources were found to establish notability. My impression is that both are individually notable independent of Clementine Ford (writer) herself, but that would have to be checked. They're both now on Wikidata. Boud (talk) 16:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

We'll need to do some clever titling for the latter, since we already have Boys Will Be Boys (book) by Myriam Miedzian. Silverseren^C 17:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Boys Will Be Boys (Ford book) according to WP:BOOKDAB. It would still need sources to establish notability. TSventon (talk) 17:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that will be a problem, TSventon.

• Boy Will Be Boys

• "Clementine Ford reveals the fragility behind ‘toxic masculinity’ in Boys Will Be Boys", The Conversation
• "Boys Will Be Boys", Foreword Magazine
• "‘Boys Will Be Boys’: Book review", BroadAgenda
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Power, Patriarchy, and Toxic Masculinity", Booklist
• "Boys Will Be Boys by Clementine Ford", Australian Book Review
• "Gender Warriors: Boys Will Be Boys", Virginia Quarterly Review
• "Boys Will Be Boys review: Clementine Ford on how boys should really behave", The Sydney Morning Herald
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Why Clementine Ford wants to talk about men", Australian Broadcasting Corporation
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Power, Patriarchy and Toxic Masculinity", Publishers Weekly
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Clementine Ford on toxic masculinity", Radio New Zealand
• "Misogyny, patriarchy and toxic masculinity: A review of Boys Will Be Boys", Right Now Magazine
• "Feminism for men and women: Alex Casey on the furious, phenomenal Clementine Ford", The Spinoff

• Fight Like a Girl

• "First Person Feminism: Fight Like A Girl by Clementine Ford", Sydney Review of Books
• "Fight like a girl: A conversation with Clementine Ford", The Spinoff
• "Fight Like a Girl review: Clementine Ford's snapshot of contemporary feminism", The Sydney Morning Herald
• "Clementine Ford’s ‘Fight Like a Girl’ Set as TV Series at Aquarius Films", Variety
• ""Fight Like A Girl" Author Clementine Ford", KATU
• "Clem Ford: Why you should fight like a girl", Australian Broadcasting Corporation
• "Fight Like A Girl By Clementine Ford", Sydney Mechanics' School of Arts
• "Book review: Fight Like a Girl", Fashion Journal
• "Clementine Ford Tells All About Her Upcoming Debut Book, ‘Fight Like A Girl’", Pedestrian
• "Feminism in the troll space: Clementine Ford’s Fight Like a Girl, social media, and the networked book", Feminist Media Studies

I unfortunately, Boud, do not have the time to work on articles for these due to my prior commitment. But I do hope that these references prove helpful for you or anyone else that wants to take a stab at making some book articles. Silverseren^C 23:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for those references:  Done Fight Like a Girl (book) + Boys Will Be Boys (Ford book). Boud (talk) 23:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Beryl update

Not exactly a woman, but all the reports here call her she. Rather than answering individual queries, I'm posting here and if y'all think it's inappropriate, feel free to remove it. Beryl arrived in Mexico as a Category 2 hurricane just north of Tulum, early this morning. Around 11, she will be just south of Valladoid. It's been difficult for them to project where she was headed. Originally maps showed south of Campeche, but she has steadily pushed northward and is now likely to pass around 8-10 km/5-6 miles north of Mérida. She is likely to be downgraded to a tropical storm by the time she hits here. To this point, we have experienced only minimal rains, but they are telling us to expect 5 to 10 inches of rain. I live in the city in a concrete house and we've had days to prepare. We are safe, but we may well lose electricity and internet service. (We prepared, have battery-operated fans, clocks, phone chargers at the ready.) Please keep all the villagers, who live in low areas surrounding Mérida in your thoughts today. I'll be on-line as I can be. SusunW (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Please be safe, my friend. You are ever in my thoughts. --ARoseWolf 16:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Sending you lots of safe wishes @SusunW Lajmmoore (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

How are things? The news has moved on to talking about Texas. For WiR's Texan editors: stay safe! -- asilvering (talk) 17:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

asilvering, after weeks of preparations and stress, we were very lucky. Although it passed within 15 miles of us, we had just a light rain and we did not lose either power or internet until Sunday. Then there was no internet all day Sunday and Monday, but functions are normal today thankfully. My heart aches for those who were not so fortunate in the Caribbean and now in Texas. SusunW (talk) 15:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The second sentence makes no sense...

This page is titled "Women in Red." The second sentence says, "Welcome to Women in Red (WiR)! We are a group of volunteer (unpaid) editors of all genders..."

The disagreement makes absolutely no sense.

96.244.11.84 (talk) 12:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

What does not make sense? It seems to make complete sense to me DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The name of this project references the topic it focuses on. The second sentence describes the people who work on the project. pburka (talk) 16:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I found this article/rant

Take a look at this rather interesting article...Gauthier, Maude; Sawchuk, Kim (2 October 2017). "Not notable enough: feminism and expertise in Wikipedia". Communication and Critical/Cultural Studies. 14 (4): 385–402. doi:10.1080/14791420.2017.1386321. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

£39 - no thanks! Looks like moaning about notability. Johnbod (talk) 16:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why they gave it this title, because from my reading it's more about how wikipedia privileges certain kinds of "facts" over others. Their main complaint is that topics related to aging on wikipedia are treated almost entirely biomedically, ignoring other kinds of academic work on the subject. They run into some trouble getting things through WP:NCORP, which is really harsh for the kinds of topics they want to write on (academic institutes, etc - very difficult to get fully "independent" sourcing). They are frustrated by wikipedia's inconsistent standards (ie, that we don't let trash through AfC but that trash can persist eternally in mainspace if no one bothers to nominate it for deletion). That's a pretty legitimate concern imo, especially since there's no really honest statement like "we know wikipedia is full of crap that doesn't meet our guidelines, and we want to get rid of it but it's a gargantuan task" anywhere. Any newbie who brings it up just gets told "other stuff exists" and dismissed. -- asilvering (talk) 18:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Joey Wat

Hi all. I disclosed a COI on the Joey Wat page about a female CEO and requested an expansion of the career section a few weeks ago. I'm trying to comply with WP:COI by not making any edits myself. I was hoping editors here could evaluate the proposed expansion and collaborate on other improvements. Coreyhcooper (talk) 01:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Yuna Kim A-class assessment

Hello everyone, WikiProject Figure Skating has just started doing A-class assessments. Our first article submitted for review is Yuna Kim, and we're in need of a third reviewer. Here's the link to the assessment: Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/Yuna Kim. While figure skating isn't a completely women's sport, most of its athletes are female, and as you might expect, is a neglected topic, especially skaters' biographies. The assistance of any member of this project would be muchly appreciated. You don't have to necessarily be a figure skating expert (although that would help, of course), but you should at least be knowledgeable about editing and contributing to Wikipedia. Even those who only watch figure skating every four years during the Winter Olympics (a group I call "the uninitiated figure skating fan", haha) are welcome! Thanks to all and best. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Kato Mikeladze Award

Hello folks, looking for something else, I came across the Kato Mikeladze Award which is given to a women's rights activist from Georgia each year since 2013. All the names (bar one) on the list are red. I've not had a chance to check whether sources are available for them all, but if anyone feels like a challenge the list is there (& on Wikidata), hopefully making them more visible! Lajmmoore (talk) 20:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

When you find the perfect source

Just wanted to express my absolute momentary joy. I've been working on User:Silver seren/Lisa M. Corrigan for this week's biography article. And I haven't been finding too much. Some, sure, but ProQuest and Newspapers.com (as much as I can make that work, thanks for the help though, Pburka!) haven't really been coming up with much, nor were the initial Google search results looking too helpful.

I was worried I was going to have to rely on book reviews to wring out what scant biographical info I can, which I've mostly done just last week with Grace Lavery. But, lo, what did I find? On the 10th page of Google search results? Could it be? The perfect source? Indeed, my prayers have been answered.

Just wanted to share that with you all. May you also find the perfect sources you need! Silverseren^C 03:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Love that feeling, it's so satisfying! :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Helen Hunt Jackson

Albumen silver print of a photograph of Jackson by Charles F. Conly (c. 1884)

Helen Hunt Jackson was the author of Ramona and I worked on her biography in July 2017. Then I promptly forgot about her. Today, I got a pleasant surprise. Adam Cuerden has restored her image. Thank you, Adam, for your gorgeous work. So grateful that you dedicate some of your time and skills to improving photos of notable women. -- Rosiestep (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Need some support in Community Wishlist

I posted a wish about a tool to reduce a gap at least a little bit more but it seems it doesn't look at least somehow important. I wrote my request from my own perspective but know that this problem appears not only in Russian and in the description of this project it's said that there are people from different countries here; please, take a look, and if the problem of gender marking in job titles is valid for your language, let the Community Wishlist team know about it on the talk page. Thank you in advance. Lvova Anastasiya (talk) 18:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Line go up (A WiR Statistical analysis)

Hi everyone. I caught a statistics bug today and wanted to look at our progress in increasing the number of women's biographies on English Wikipedia. I don't know if anyone's done something like this recently, but thought I'd have a look over. As it says on the project front page, this project was created almost a decade ago, when it was discovered that women's biographies numbered roughly 15.53% of biographies on the platform. As of 1 July 2024, we have gotten this up to 19.86% (accounting for 399,180 biographies), which is a 4.33% difference. We're currently keeping track of this number using Humaniki, but its data doesn't go back as far as 2015; it started collecting data in December 2020/January 2021, so this is the data I had to work with.

On 28 December 2020, there were 331,934 biographies about women, accounting for 18.689% of all biographies on English Wikipedia. This means that over the past three and a half years, we have created at least 67,246 new biographies, accounting for a 1.17% increase in the proportion of women's biographies. On average, this means we create roughly 19,645 new biographies each year, increasing the proportion of women's biographies by roughly 0.342% each year. (Judging by this, we can expect a 1% increase roughly every three years)

I was pleasantly surprised to find out that it is a rarity that the number of biographies or the total percentage decreases. The last week that these numbers decreased was two years ago, on 11 July 2022, when the total number of women's biographies dropped by 187 over the preceding week. In fact, in the past three and a half years, we have only seen five weeks where the percentage of women's biographies dropped (of which two weeks saw an increase in total women's biographies, but not enough to increase the percentage figure).

All this has led to a very steady increase in both the total number and proportional representation of women's biographies. If we keep on track with this, then according to my projections, we should hit 400,000 biographies by the end of the month and we might even hit the fabled 20% figure by the end of 2024! This will definitely be something to be celebrated and might justify a big edit-a-thon towards the end of the year in order to get us over the line. Projections of when we might get to 50% are quite a bit more distant; at current rates, we won't hit gender parity until the year 2111. What Wikipedia, the internet and the wider world will even look like by that point would be anyone's guess.

It also seems like some of our progress might be slowing. While we increased the percentage figure by 0.415% in 2021 (accounting for over 24,000 new biographies), the percentage increased by 0.329% in 2022 and 0.296% in 2023 (each accounting for slightly over 17,000 new biographies). We're still improving things, but this does indicate a need for further outreach and onboarding if we're to keep going in the longer term.

In any case, I hope everyone here is getting on well and enjoying the summer. All the best --Grnrchst (talk) 14:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this! One thing I'd say is that if only because of history, we are most unlikely ever to get to 50%, nor should this be an aim of the project (this used to be often seen as an aim, but I think most people have now realized this). That's unless some new predominately female type of person starts being regarded as notable in large numbers. I won't labour the point, but think about large all-notable jobs with easily-found statistical data, like politicians elected to national legislatures, top-level team sports and so on. Johnbod (talk) 14:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh aye, I didn't mean to say we should have it as a hard goal; it's the direction, not the destination. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, my thanks too! I pulled out some similar figures at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Metrics#Summary of Women in Red statistics from main page following a discussion here. I used figures from the WiR main page edit history as they go back a bit further plus a figure for September 2015. TSventon (talk) 15:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding my thanks! Also, for transparency, clarifying that, in 2015, Roger and I never mentioned a particular numerical goal, rather, the goal was to "move the needle", e.g., improve on the abysmal 15.53% statistic. That said, I'm guessing that most of us will be ecstatic upon reaching that elusive 20%. --Rosiestep (talk) 10:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

20% would be great (50% would require us to delete history). There is evidence that the new additions of biogs are much more equal but the figure is likely to settle at about 28%. The effect of additional biogs is ever decreasing - but still very important. "Moving the needle" was indeed the aim. (There were paper encyclopedias with the percentage of 3-7% women). Truly terrible - and it hurts to know that a future edition of "famous modern women of Afghanistan" is destined for an even lower target. On the other hand the figures are very skewed by an obsession with blokes who can kick a ball ... and it looks as if that is reducing. Seeing stadia filled with ppl watching women play football is marvellous. I think that if we work really hard then Rosie, and my, granddaughters (who recently met) might think that gender/racial/European bias was a "thing of history". Lets keep moving the needle. Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 10:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

and Happy Birthday Women in Red you are eight today! ... and we are close to 400,000 biographies... did you realise @Rosiestep: that you and I have written over 1% of them! Victuallers (talk) 12:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, Women in Red!!! I did not know that you and I wrote >1% of them, Roger... so, WOW! What I do know is that it's been quite a journey, and I'm glad that that journey included your fam and mine, including your granddaughter and mine, meeting up last month. --Rosiestep (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, Women in Red! As of 15 July, there are now over 400,000 (19.874%) women's bios on English Wikipedia. Well done everyone!. Onwards and upwards. Oronsay (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Kamala Harris

New WikiProject, in case any WiR members are interested:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Kamala Harris

---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Aren't you supposed to get clearance somewhere before doing this, including showing a number of editors claiming to be committed to working on the subject? User:Joe Roe will know. WP is littered with inactive projects. Johnbod (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I was bold! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm. But what if she a) doesn't end up as the Dem candidate, or b) loses to Trump? Johnbod (talk) 02:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Creating a WikiProject for why being bold in creating WikiProjects probably isn't helpful. A wikiproject is a group of editors. Creating the project before you have the group is putting the cart before the horse. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Presidents also exists (and explicitly covers VP's). I T B F 💬 10:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok! I came here to recruit participation and promote collaboration, not to be told I'm in the wrong. If you don't want to join this new WikiProject, then don't join this new WikiProject. Thanks, --Another Believer _(Talk) 14:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

We're expressing doubt that this is an effective way to promote collaboration and concern that it will exacerbate an existing problem (profusion of inactive wikiprojects) that other editors are trying to deal with. Please do consider whether you could achieve your goal by working within the framework of an existing wikiproject. – Joe (talk) 14:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

We're just boldly telling you you probably jumped the gun. Johnbod (talk) 14:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

OK! I have nothing else to say here. I am not going to seek page deletion, but do what you must. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I mean, you created Wikipedia:WikiProject Joe Biden four years ago and were told exactly the same thing, this can't be a huge surprise? – Joe (talk) 14:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Helen Saunders image

I want to add an image to the article Helen Saunders. I found an image here. The credit in that article for the photo of Helen Saunders states "Image credit: Wikimedia Commons (public domain)". I can NOT find this image on the commons. Any help appreciated. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I have found that image in other articles but with the credit line "The Estate of Helen Saunders", for example [1] from studio international.14GTR (talk) 19:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks 14GTR! I shall use the image as "fair use". I think it may have been mistakenly uploaded to the commons awhile ago and then deleted as still in copyright --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

"Dramatic deeds are remembered, but too many feminists of the past are forgotten"

This Guardian article by Susanna Rustin, published today, resonated with me regarding what we're doing here. -- Rosiestep (talk) 13:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Very interesting article. Balance person (talk) 07:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Barbara Bartuś

Hi!

I just extended the article about Barbara Bartuś basing upon the Polish article. Could you please look and check my grammar and other stuff? ;-)

Best wishes! -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 23:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this. In English Wikipedia we don't link years, and we format numbers with commas for thousands, not spaces - so 12,345, rather than 12 345. I've corrected those.

You haven't given a source for her birth date: is it in one of the refs? It needs to be clearly sourced. For the benefit of non-Polish readers, it is helpful to use the "trans-title" field in your references to show the title of the sources, so that we can get an idea what kind of source they are. The lead paragraph is a bit confusing for those who don't know what "Sejm" means: could you clarify it? Or maybe just give the dates that she was in parliament, as more meaningful?

I'm not sure what "She was a councillady of Gmina Lipinki during its 2nd tenure." means. Because "MP" is pronounced "Empee", it takes "an" rather than "a". I've added a few missing "the"s. Remember that punctuation goes before references.

Thanks for the article, anyway, and Happy Editing. PamD 08:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

"Less Than 20% of Wikipedia’s Biographies Are About Women — This CCO Wants to Change That"

Great new article by WMF's Chief Comm's Officer, AAlikhan (WMF) shining a light on Wikipedia's content gender gap, which mentions Women in Red. Thanks, Anusha! -- Rosiestep (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Smart to get that in while the headline is still true (see sections above). Johnbod (talk) 14:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I think the headline is about the cross Wikipedia female percentage, which is currently 18.843%, but I agree that it is smart for leaders to set themselves attainable targets. TSventon (talk) 14:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Mary Hastings

I've just created Mary Hastings, a 16th century Englishwoman who was proposed as wife of Ivan the Terrible. Can the project have a look at it and see if they could assist with any improvements? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red August 2024

Women in Red | August 2024, Volume 10, Issue 8, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 313, 314, 315 Online events: New: | Women in film and stage | Indigenous women Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) | Translation contest 2024 (July, August, September) | Women in Sports (July, August) Tip of the month: Check your athlete's notability before researching and creating her bio. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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