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Hey, Not A Question

Just wanted to apologize about my issues in the talk session EdenBAnn (talk) 16:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The issues with your Talk page appear to have been addressed there. No need to apologize here (to Teahouse Hosts who had no involvement in the situation). David notMD (talk) 22:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

okay, thanks EdenBAnn (talk) 23:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Suggested Edits in a different language

How can I get Suggested Edits in a language other than English? All the Suggested Edits are showing up in English, but I want to work on non-English articles that needs edits. Thanks. Dailynovice21 (talk) 16:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Dailynovice21, welcome to the Teahouse. Since this is English Wikipedia, all our articles are in English (of some variety). If you want to edit articles in other languages, you will need to go to the Wikipedia in that language (I see you've checked out ko.wikipedia.org and zh.wikipedia.org, those are two examples) and sign up for whatever recommendation process they have, if any. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 17:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dailynovice21: You may also be interested in translating articles into English, or from English. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Won't let me upload pic

tryna upload a pic of my dog that I own, but wont let due to the file name :

• My dog Koa, or called koko.jpg

EdenBAnn (talk) 20:19, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@EdenBAnn, welcome to the Teahouse! That's occurring because the file koko.jpg already exists. Try another name for the picture? Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

oooooohhhhhhhh, I get it, ok! EdenBAnn (talk) 20:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

actually, I don't?

Koka my doggie 194uunnzzdodod.jpg

How does someone have this named, I think something is wrong. EdenBAnn (talk) 20:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, EdenBAnn. Please not that Commons:Commons:Project scope says Uploaded files are within scope only if they comply with all of the following conditions. Every file ... Must be realistically useful for an educational purpose.

While that last condition is interpreted quite widely, I'm not sure it covers a photo of your dog. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

oh, sorry! Apologies for any troubles I've caused. EdenBAnn (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

EdenBAnn, you say you get it, but I wonder. This is an encyclopedia. Wikimedia Commons serves the encyclopedia and other projects that are similarly impersonal. You are welcome to stick around and work to improve the encyclopedia. There are various ways of doing this, but chitchat about your dog or your participation in multiplayer games isn't among them. Perhaps consider demonstrating that you've got it by making improvements to some articles. -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Fortnite chitchat, your dog's photo, your mother's chicken salad recipe?? Declined drafts that have no potential for success?? People who create accounts but do not show an ability or intention to contribute to the encyclopedia tend to have their accounts indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

You know what, your right. I'm looking for something to do to improve my writing skills, and messing around is not the right way to do that. I will start re-reading the editing tutorial. I am truly sorry for wasting your time. Im supposed to be writing and improving Wiki, not messing around. Again, I'm sorry. EdenBAnn (talk) 23:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

What articles would you recommend to me that are about beginner based for me to edit? EdenBAnn (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I will do that EdenBAnn (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, EdenBAnn. Choose a subject area that interests you and that you know something about. You won't be able to write from what you know, but an understanding of the general subject will be needed for understanding what you read about the subject. And yes, you are going to have to read -- and not just any old crap, but instead reliable sources. Find an article that makes implausible or unsupported claims, and, using your preferred search engine, see if you can verify them. -- Hoary (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Formatting references can be not-obvious. Consider working on refs in your Sandbox, only copying into article when satisfied. References must not be just URLs. David notMD (talk) 01:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

See citing for beginners for an overview of how citing sourses works Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 09:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

okay EdenBAnn (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@EdenBAnn: you triggered an automated filter when you tried to upload the image. The filter prevents new users from uploading small resolution JPEG images which are often copyright violations taken from the web. It is not capable of making any complex decisions. You should be able to bypass it if you use Commons Upload Wizard directly. However, I do echo ColinFine above about the Commons Scope. MKFI (talk) 10:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

ok EdenBAnn (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding to Toronto's official Wikipedia Page?

How can I add an aerial webM video that depicts Toronto's Skyline on the Toronto's wikipage under the section "architecture" Lucastphotography (talk) 22:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you asking (A) whether/how you may upload it to Wikimedia Commons, or (B) whether/how, now that it is uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, it should be added to the article? -- Hoary (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry the latter, regarding including it within the wiki article. Lucastphotography (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Lucastphotography. You can find out some general information about adding files to articles at WP:FILE#Using files. Files uploaded to Commons can be added using the same method as files uploaded locally to Wikipedia. The only time you will run into problems is when a file uploaded to Commons has the same name as a file uploaded locally to Wikipedia; in such a case, the Wikipedia software will use the local file.

Now some other stuff that you probably should understand about image use. Commons and Wikipedia are sister projects, but they're separate projects with their own respective policies and guidelines when it comes to image use. Commons is primarily concerned with the licensing of the content it hosts; it's not all that concerned with how this content is being used on Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia Foundation websites. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is not only coincerned with the licensing of such content but also its encyclopedic relevance to Wikipedia readers. So, the adding of images to articles needs to be in accordance with WP:IUP#Adding images. Most of the time high quality images are quite welcomed by other, but there are times where too many images or perhaps too promotional types of images are challenged by other. If you do add photos and they're subsequently removed by someone else,by others, you will need to try to resolve any disagreements in accordance with WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION.

The next thing is that Toronto doesn't have an official Wikipedia page per se; rather, it has a Wikipedia article written about it. This might seem like arguing semantics, but it's important to understand that the City of Toronto doesn't have any type of final editorial control over the article's content (including image use). So, as mentioned above, image use will need to compley with relevant Wikipedia policy.

Lastly, you might want to take a look at WP:CORPNAME and WP:RENAME because your username could be considered a violation of Wikipedia's username policy if it represents the name of a company, organization or business like yours seems to do. On Commons this isn't a big deal because Commons isn't concerned with such a thing; it does, however, matter when it comes to Wikipedia and accounts can be WP:SOFTBLOCKed by an administrator when their usernames are seen as violating relevant Wikipedia policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

how can i change my username? Lucastphotography (talk) 00:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

As you haven't yet edited so much, Lucastphotography, I recommend that you simply pick a different username and always use that rather than your current one. On your new user page, mention that you were previously Lucastphotography; on User:Lucastphotography, say that you're now "Toronto Lucas" or whatever it is. -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it. thanks! Lucastphotography (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I'll use LeoTor instead! :) Lucastphotography (talk) 02:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Trouble archiving links from Bloomberg

Wanted to cite a recent Bloomberg article for use in Japanese yen, but getting nowhere with any of the archive sites. Neither Wayback Machine, Archive Today, nor Megalodon are working for me. Am I doing something wrong or are Bloomberg articles no longer able to be archived? Thanks for your help! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: Which Bloomberg article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Italic roma teenmaw scuee tim 2400:ADCC:144:500:2CFD:A0BE:4197:8748 (talk) 03:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

On titles in other languages

This page's title is in Spanish, but I think it should probably be in English with the Spanish as an addendum (i.e., as (Spanish: La Penitente Hermandad de Jesús Yacente)). I can't find any English language sources on the topic to secure a second-opinion translation. Can I be WP:BOLD and move it with my translation or is there a convention or MOS standard for this? Thanks in advance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Your page's title is a proper noun. Usually, proper nouns in other languages such as Cinco de Mayo or La Paz tend to be in the other language unless English speakers use a different term. In your case, there are no reliable sources for an English translation, so you should probably leave the title in Spanish. EternalNub (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough! Thanks for the response! ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@ThaesOfereode: ...but you can create one or more redirects from plausible English translations, which people will find if they search Wikipedia for those titles. See WP:REDIRECT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

What if the page contains ethocentric ideas

For example in the page of Driving etiquette, there contains negative feedbacks and disregards certain countries' driving etiquette under the title "Driving etiquette by country". This section is way too opinionated and should be deleted. However, my edit was ctrl-Zed by a bot and I was warned by certain users not to do that. Why is that? Qqiumax (talk) 00:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

In that case, the section contains different points of view supported by reliable sources. Wikipedia is neutral, meaning that any viewpoints that is supported by a reliable source can be added. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view EternalNub (talk) 01:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thus under this section the points that are not backed up by a reliable source shall be deleted? Qqiumax (talk) 01:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If they aren't backed up by reliable sources they probably will be deleted, since every piece of information on Wikipedia is supposed to have a reliable source. If they are not backed up by a reliable source, you can find a reliable source that backs up the information, but make sure that the source is reliable. EternalNub (talk) 02:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If you have reason to believe a factual statement is true but without a reference, you can add a 'citation needed'. David notMD (talk) 02:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

It's an odd article section, consisting of a lot of tidbits. Sample: "In France, it is common for drivers to nudge other vehicles to fit into a tight parking space." When I hear of drivers nudging other vehicles, I think of "PIT maneuvers" (or even more grandly, "tactical vehicle interventions"). Never in my experience of driving in France have I undergone this. I haven't even experienced what the illustration in the referenced source shows. Have I just been lucky? I do rather like the euphuistic "conduct an overtaking maneuver" (under Spain) for "overtake". (And that's my tactical conducting of an editing maneuver done.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qqiumax: It's particularly troubling that most of the subsections are cited to only one source and those sources are very old (in some cases almost a quarter of a century). I've started a discussion on the article's talk page. Please join that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Difference between having Notability and having Reliable Source

Hello, I have been reading different Wikipedia policies for a while now, and it occurred to me that there might be a difference between a subject being notable and it having reliable sources. Is it the right understanding? if so, could we say about an influencer or any other subject, is notable, however, the lack reliable sources? The reason I am asking these questions, is there are many pages on Wikipedia, which have almost zero references, still they are in live space.

If the above understanding is correct, what should be done with such page?

Thank you. MsAzra (talk) 00:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Notability means that a subject has multiple reliable sources that are secondary (not associated with the subject) and provide significant coverage. See Wikipedia:GNG

Reliable sources means that the sources are considered to be reliable and trustworthy.

In your case, your subject has no reliable sources that are secondary and provide significant coverage, which means that it is not notable.

Just because you can't easily find sources doesn't mean that your topic is not notable. For example, for my article Metallic Child, the subject is barely notable but only because I managed to find three reliable sources deep in the internet. If you search for longer, you might find reliable sources to meet notability requirements. EternalNub (talk) 01:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

There are many articles, especially older and about obscure topics, that exist, but do not meet current standards per referencing. A choice then is nominate for deletion or add references. David notMD (talk) 02:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD O I see. Thanks a lot, it does clarify the reason for the articles' existence. Thank you. MsAzra (talk) 00:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@EternalNub Thanks a lot for your reply. I understand now. :) Thanks. MsAzra (talk) 00:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Add to my Wiki page

I'd like to clean up my Wikipedia page and add some content, how do I go about this? I would love some help with this Kellogg1971 (talk) 01:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

What Wikipedia page are you talking about? EternalNub (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If there is an article about you, please see WP:Biographies of living persons/Help '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Kellogg1971, my Wikipedia page? Please read WP:OWNERSHIP. Cullen328 (talk) 03:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328: The phrase "my Wikipedia page" doesn't necessarily imply ownership; "my" in this context can simply mean "about me" ("my biography", "my personnel record", "my criminal record"). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: But it's worth pointing out that "My page" is not really that, since there does seem to be a lot of misunderstanding. In this instance, the OP's inquiry suggests that s/he supposed that a Wikipedia article about him/her is there for him/her to manage and to decide what goes there. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Please see the comment to which I replied. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Even if ownership isn't implied/being suggested by this user, it is not uncommon for article subjects to think they have special rights to the "page" about them even if they don't "own" it. It's also for this reason I personally will emphasize the term "article"; every article is a page but not every page is an article. People treat pages differently than they treat articles. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

How do we know if information on Wikipedia is true?

How do we know if information on Wikipedia is true? Abdullah Al Sinha50 (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:V and WP:RS. Information on Wikipedia is required to be cited to reliable sources so that it can be verified; by tracking down those sources you can check if information is accurate yourself. Of course, this doesn't guarantee that everything is true - some things are uncited; some things that have a citation may not accurately represent it; sometimes the source itself is wrong; and sometimes, even if everything is correct, we may be placing WP:UNDUE weight on one aspect or otherwise presenting it in a way that distorts its meaning. Some important aspects might also be missing in a way that leads to a lopsided article. But the same is true of anything you read anywhere else; there is no way to be absolutely certain that anything is true. --Aquillion (talk) 03:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Abdullah Al Sinha50. All properly written Wikipedia articles have a list of references to reliable sources that are supposed to verify the various claims in the article. Read the references for anything that you doubt. In the end, you make up your own mind. We do not guarantee truth, but we strive for truth. Cullen328 (talk) 03:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:General disclaimer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

And see individual article Talk pages. Articles that are rated Featured Article, Good Article and B-class are more likely to be closer to truth than C-class. David notMD (talk) 09:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

My userpage

Is there any problems in my userpage?, i created few userboxes. If there's any problems please respond — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhinesh212 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

The layout is pretty odd. But don't worry about it, Akhinesh212. I have very rarely, if ever, seen evidence of anyone's interest in anyone else's selection/display of userboxes. -- Hoary (talk) 04:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

did you find the last userbox to be offensive?, is there any grammatical mistakes in my userbox that I created? Akhinesh212 (talk) 04:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Akhinesh212, I encourage you to be careful about disclosing personal information that a nasty troll could use to attack you. Cullen328 (talk) 04:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Akhinesh212, when I look at your user page, I see that the section headers "Created Articles" and "Awards" aren't on new lines. This is not how it should be, and I can't explain how it's happened. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

it was created by me, I just wants to show everyone that I created an article to wikipedia. Unfortunately Wikipedia do not credit the name of the user who provided the information to an Encyclopaedia

Is there any issues for that? Akhinesh212 (talk) 07:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Akhinesh212 I fixed the new line issue by adding a div. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, i noticed and thanks a lot for editing :) Akhinesh212 (talk) 07:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

ok, i edited my userpage. I removed the "Articles created" because I'm not sure I can create articles to wikipedia because it requires a lot of reliable sources. I will rename "Awards" to "barnstars" to see how much barnstars that I have received Akhinesh212 (talk) 07:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If you go to the bottom of your "User contributions" (in your case, Special:Contributions/Akhinesh212 you will see there is a link "Articles created", which takes you to an external tool: https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Akhinesh212 . That currently shows no pages created. ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Article dismissed!

Hello, i forgot to say. I created a new article about Spanish Animation Studio Neptuno Films. The article is available in Spanish Wikipedia and I decided to create new article about the animation studio on English Wikipedia because it's only available in Spanish Wikipedia

The article is dismissed for unreliable sources, i collected these sources from Spanish Wikipedia and it is in Spanish language Akhinesh212 (talk) 04:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Akhinesh212. Each of the various language Wikipedias are their own projects with their own policies and guidelines being enforced by their own respective communities. So, for example, an article existing on Spanish Wikipedia doesn't automatically mean that it should also exist on English Wikipedia. There's more about this found at WP:OTHERLANG, but the company you're trying to create an article about is going to need to clearly be shown to meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for a viable English Wikipedia article to be created about it and survive. For reference, English Wikipedia doesn't require sources cited in support of article content be in English as explained here; it doesn't even require that sources be available online as explained here. It does, however, require that source be reliable per WP:RELIABLESOURCE and that they provide WP:SIGCOV of the subject. When it comes to companies and organizations, multiple secondary reliable sources providing significant coverage are required as explained here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Any advice for a newbie?

I'm new here. Well, not quite new, I used to edit Wikipedia once with an account I lost access to years ago. Now I'm back with time on my hands, and really getting enjoying things so far. The Teahouse is a new feature to me, and there are lots more features I don't recognize, so I guess what I'm asking is about basic etiquette. Is there anything newbies shouldn't try? Am I OK to edit any article that catches my eye? So far I've been randomly selecting articles within my areas of interest (mostly books and gardening) and doing newcomer tasks, but I'm keen to try my hand at other things. Any advice on what to avoid? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 08:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Advice, ArthurTheGardener, well, don't be a dick. (There used to be a page, Wikipedia:Don't be a dick; but I suppose the higher-ups here became nervous about simple metaphors.) As long as the new user isn't dickish (and your question doesn't at all suggest that you are), you'll probably be OK. And if you do screw up, say sorry and thereafter avoid similar screw-ups. Avoid editing anything closely related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Gaza/Palestine/Israel/Iran mess, or what Stephen Colbert adroitly terms "the race for the White House and/or the big house". Indeed, perhaps avoid US politics more generally, anything concerning abortion ... you get the picture. Books (aside from a predictable and small minority) and gardening sound good. (The great majority of articles on books are poor, and many are superfluous -- which isn't to belittle the good work of those who do create excellent articles about books.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Not being a dick is always worthwhile. And I don't know enough about foreign politics or others' physiology to comment, so it looks like we're probably good there. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Many articles aboutplant species are stubs, or might benefit by your taking photographs, adding those to Commons, then inserting into articles. David notMD (talk) 10:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, and what a good idea! I'll try to do that. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 11:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

My first article

Hey all!

Can someone assist me with my first article I published. I recently submitted an update and haven't received any update. I would love to get ahead of any minute errors. Thanks in advance! Thedistinguishedone (talk) 10:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I assume you are referring to Draft:Brandon Jevon Farris. You have submitted it for a review and it is pending- as noted on your draft, there are many drafts awating review, please be patient. The reviewer will give you feedback if they do not accept the draft. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it! Completely new to this. Not rushing, just wanted to avoid another decline due to something minor. Nevertheless thanks for insight on the process! Thedistinguishedone (talk) 10:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I've made some cosmetic changes to your draft. But I don't see any citations of reliable independent sources discussing the subject, so I'd encourage you to add some before it gets reviewed. Articles based on what the subject has said don't count as independent. The absence of evidence of WP:notability is not a "minute error", it's serious, and if not addressed it will cause the article to be declined again. Maproom (talk) 11:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Citing on Mobile

Howdy howdy! I wanted to ask if you could cite sources on the mobile version of Wikipedia because it seems like you can't for some reason? Thanks. Monurin (talk) 11:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Monurin, and welcome. You certainly can, but it may well be that certain tools that make it easier are not available.

I don't do much editing on mobile, myself, but Cullen328 does, and I suggest you read his essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! I've read through the article but his way of referencing is a tad too complex for me since it seems to involve manipulating the source code? Which is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me. Guess I'll have to stick with the web version for now. Cheers. Monurin (talk) 05:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Problems of having more than 2 accounts

Hello again, I'm not spamming and I just wants to say that I have more than 2 accounts.

I don't really remember my first account on Wikipedia, i created once a wikipedia account but unfortunately i don't remember the password and lost access to my first account so i decided to create new account instead and did this more. Is there any problems?

Will I be banned permanently? for having more accounts, i don't wants to vandalize articles I just wants to contribute to wikipedia. But for having more accounts in Wikipedia will I be banned? Akhinesh212 (talk) 11:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Akhinesh212 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new account because you forget your password is exactly what you should do. It might be helpful if you identified the previous account you used on your user page("I am Akhinesh212, I was previously (your prior username) but lost access"). It isn't a violation of policy to merely have more than one account or to have used other accounts(see WP:LEGITSOCK)- it's only a problem if you conceal that you are doing so for an illegitimate reason(like pretending to be two or more different people). 331dot (talk) 11:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I've been worrying about getting block and bans on Wikipedia. Thanks for the response Akhinesh212 (talk) 12:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Pakistani government funded scheme BISP Ehsaas.

The BISP Ehsaas Program is a vital government initiative in Pakistan aimed at combating poverty and promoting social welfare. It provides financial assistance, healthcare services, education support, and livelihood opportunities to the country's most vulnerable populations. Can this program be appropriately covered on Wikipedia? Mabdullah7001 (talk) 12:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Mabdullah7001 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell the world about a government program or initiative- but if independent reliable sources give this initiative significant coverage, an article about it may be possible if that coverage shows that this is a notable topic as Wikipedia defines the term. 331dot (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mabdullah, and welcome. In addition to what 331dot says, I'll add that if you're asking for somebody to write this article, then I'm afraid that's unlikely to happen. There is a place to make a formal requst - requested articles - but in honesty, requests stay there for a very long time and don't often get actioned. You may have more luck asking on the talk page of WikiProject Pakistan, but only if your request happens to excite one or more members of that WikiProject to want to work on it.

Your best chance is to write it yourself - but I must tell you that writing a Wikipedia article is much more difficult than most people expect (not in the writing, but in finding sources) and I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how WIkipedia works by making improvements to existing articles before they try it.

If you have some connection with the Ehsaas Program yourself, that may make it even more difficult, as you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. That does not prohibit you from trying it, but you need to declare your status, and it may make it harder to write in the required Neutral point of view - note that nothing from your own knowledge should go into the article unless it is backed up by a reliably published source, and in most cases a sources wholly unconnected with the Program.

I am sorry if this sounds discouraging, but the fact is that Wikipedia is a big machine that takes quite a while to learn to drive; and people who come here to write about a particular topic (as opposed to, to help create the worlds biggest encyclopaedia) often have difficulty grasping what Wikipedia means by promotion (forbidden) and notability (required). ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Experience needed to comment on noticeboards

Is there a consensus about the number of edits a Wikipedia user should have to comment on noticeboards? I've only recently crossed the 500 edit threshold but have been a reader of Wikipedia and its policies and talk pages for some time and believe I understand them. Does my opinion carry any weight in terms of addressing questions raised even though I am not an administrator and/or don't have a large number of edits? I've read that anyone who understands policies can comment. I ask this in part because I made a comment on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Snezhana Abarzhi but no other more experienced Wikipedian has commented even though the question seems straightforward and it would be good to have another opinion on whether this particular page has crossed into CV territory (i.e. WP:NOTYOU, self-promotion). Nnev66 (talk) 13:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nnev66! It sounds like you're in a fine position to comment. While there are a few very experienced editors whose views might be given a little more weight by those that know them, on the whole Wikipedia is pretty meritocratic, so so long as you have a basic familiarity with guidance and can sound reasonable/make an argument your views will be respected.

In the case you mention, I'd guess that it's not anyone ignoring you but rather just that no one else has read the post and decided to engage. Dealing with a BLP inclined toward harassment is necessary but not always appealing work, and we don't always have enough editors even for the more appealing stuff. If you decide to go ahead, it should be fairly straightforward (without looking at the dispute itself, I'd guess that David is correct and that it's clearly CV-esque edits that just need to be reverted). It'll help if you're account is pseudonymous (e.g. username not used elsewhere on the internet), and remember that WP:3RR applies even when you're clearly in the right. If the BLP edit wars, escalate to the edit warring noticeboard or somewhere else appropriate rather than going over the line yourself. Good luck! Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 15:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Sdkb for your thoughts on my question. My Wikipedia username may be other places as I wasn't thinking about being semi-anonymous when I chose it 12+ years ago. I don't mind though if someone figures out who I am. I can understand why folks wouldn't want to wade into WP:3RR disputes but it's good for them to be settled in a way where neither side feels flattened by the other. And I realize that different people see the same issue differently which is why decisions can seem subjective and a source of frustration. My experience so far is if I stick to the merits it all works out... Nnev66 (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Check Redirects to a page

How to check if there are any redirect article(s) to a page, just like we can check what links to a page at what links here? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ExclusiveEditor! At the "what links here" page you can select to see only redirect incoming links (just check "hide transclusions" and "hide links" and you'll have only redirects left). Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 14:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Did not see it, thank you. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Bare reference notices with dead links

Hello,

I do backlog cleaning, and there are many articles that are tagged with using bare references, but all of the bare references are are dead links with no archived copy. What I have done in the past is mark the link as dead, and removed the bare reference notice. Is this the correct practice?

Thanks! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 15:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, EatingCarBatteries. Many people assume a link is dead when it may in fact have simply had its url changed by the website owner. So long as you are aware of this and attempt to 'Google' the relevant keywords that are likely to be found in the cited article's title (based upon the factual statement being referenced), then this seems an appropriate way to go. But I do see many people who assume a source cannot be found when, in fact, with a bit of effort and technical ability, a new source can be located for some of them. More info at Wikipedia:Link rot and Wikipedia:DEADREF. Hope this helps. Others here may have a different approach to suggest, of course! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Nick Moyes. It is far better to search for and add a reliable source than to remove plausible content just because a URL is dead. Cullen328 (talk) 20:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

2026 formula one calendar leaked

Melbourne shanghai suzuka sakhir riyadh Miami imola monaco Montmeló montreal spielberg silverstone spa-francochamps hungaroring zandvoort monza Bakú singapore Austin México city sao Paulo las vegas losail yas marina Chicago nantahala fort peck mugello cagliari and Palermo!!! 149.74.4.35 (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome IP editor. Unfortunately, this information is not relevant to the Teahouse. If you wish to propose an edit, please go to the relevant article's talk page and ensure you cite a RELIABLE SOURCE. Leaked information from unreliable sources is not wanted on Wikipedia, however. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

How to proof not paid?

Dear reader,

There is an article where I helped to build the page for my wife (backed by over 100 sources), I accidentally had ticked a box that I was paid, which I am not. I asked within talk if I could sent the person proof of not being paid and never got an answer. Now half a year later someone puts this disclaimer again above the article, ignoring that I can proof it within talk. Also my wife has been victim of activist groups that have tried to intimidate her for doing research on Indonesia, on such a level that the National History Association in the Netherlands issued a statement against them. It can very well be that the anonymous people who place the “UPE”tags are from this groups. As one of the persons on the talk page on the Dutch Wikipedia site of Anne-Lot Hoek also worked on the pages related to those activist groups. Who can help to get this tag removed (again)? Ewout12345 (talk) 20:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ewout12345: Based on your comment, I have changed the UPE tag to a COI tag, because you clearly have a conflict of interest regarding your wife Anne-Lot Hoek. That tag should remain until an independent editor reviews the article thoroughly. This is something you should have created in draft space and submitted for review, and then refrained from making any substantive changes after it was published in article space. As long as you keep making substantive changes to the article, the COI tag is relevant. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist: Please read the documentation of {{COI}}. In particular "In order to be tagged, the article should have a specific, articulatable, fixable problem. Do not apply this tag simply because you suspect COI editing, or because there is or was a COI editor. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I am well aware of that, and that is why I tagged it accordingly. The most recent edit by the COI editor, for example, was an unsourced assertion about a living person. That suggests other similar problems exist but I haven't had the time today to examine the article closely. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Then you should also be aware that it also says: if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start a discussion, any editor will be justified in removing the tag without warning. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello there:

I'm new to this Wikipedia, so what should I do now? Are there more activities to do? Is Wikipedia a social media site? 205.155.225.249 (talk) 20:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a social media site.

If you want to get ideas for things to do, see Wikipedia:Task center. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

See also Help:Introduction. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Need help fixing this

Hi! I made this edit [1] to an IP's talk page with the pencil edit button and found that this put the message in the wrong place. I cannot fix the message because I cannot see it on the TP and I do not have an undo button on mobile. Any help with fixing this is greatly appreciated. QwertyForest (talk) 20:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

You used the wrong heading level and you put the comment at the top of the page, not at the bottom where the most recent comments should go. I have fixed these. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, and I appreciate the help. Not being able to undo on mobile is quite annoying though. Do you know why it's not possible? QwertyForest (talk) 20:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Although it is fiddly, I use the desktop version on my I-Phone - which enables undo, and other features. - Arjayay (talk) 20:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Redirect template in sandbox

This is probably a silly question, but having created an article in my sandbox and moved it to mainspace, I now have a redirect template in my sandbox. Is it okay for me to delete this, or would that affect the article, please? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 20:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArthurTheGardener: It's fine to remove it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. (Nice user name, by the way). ArthurTheGardener (talk) 20:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

ArthurTheGardener, you've linked each book to a page of a particular retailer. Please don't do that. (Interested readers can arrive at different language/nation flavours of this retailer via the ISBN link.) Also, please specify the publisher; and for the "location", be more specific than "US" if you can. -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, will do, thanks. Is there another site (not a retailer) that Wiki prefers to link to the ISBN number, please? (This is my first try at a creating a page, and I'm still finding my way.) ArthurTheGardener (talk) 09:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArthurTheGardener We prefer to use Google books, which is not a retailer and for many books allows search inside. If you use the WP:Citation expander gadget, then you can get it to automatically convert the ISBN to most of the necessary fields. I've done the first Jendia Gammon example for you so you'll see the output which in this case includes her as publisher. I had to add the page count and Google link manually, as is easily done once you find the Google books entry, again via the ISBN. Note that the Google URL link is automatically associated with the title, not the ISBN, which Wikipedia links to Special:BookSources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your help. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 13:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArthurTheGardener .... as an aside, I note that the portrait of Gammon which was uploaded by User:JDianneDotson clearly states in its exif data that it is "© Nicholas Barrett, All Rights Reserved", who was presumably the photographer. I hope that the uploader can now get him to email Commons to confirm that he releases the rights to the image, or it can't be used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see that now. My bad - I didn't check the provenance when I looked it up on Wikicommons. I'll see if I can find something more appropriate. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 13:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Page dismissed

I added more information to a stub for a class project. I left the original info and added before and after it and cited all proper resources. I went to publish and it dismissed it saying it was unconstructive so i sent in a report, but it is saying the title cannot be found or does not exist. What do I do? Amalley0627 (talk) 00:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Amalley0627, if you'd kindly gloss for us each "it" within it dismissed it saying it was unconstructive so i sent in a report, but it is saying the title cannot be found or does not exist, then we'd understand what you're talking about and very likely be able to advise you. -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I am very new to wikipedia and was not thinking.

When i hit publish. A notice popped up at the top from wikipedias automatic filter saying that the submission was dismissed due to being unconstructive. When i went to report it (because on the notice gives you the option to report if you believe it is wrong) i made my report and went to publish and when i did a notice popped up saying the title could not be found. 73.104.183.232 (talk) 01:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

You've already raised the matter at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports#Amalley0627: the right place for it. An underinformed guess is that it looks very strange when an article that doesn't seem to have any relationship with furniture has a reference to a page on a website whose domain name suggests that it's hawking old furniture. But the website isn't obviously hawking old furniture and the web page is informative. (And in its previous state the Wikipedia article was very poor.) As I'm not well up on this particular aspect of Wikipedia's workings I don't propose to involve myself (because if I did so I might muck something up). Please be patient: I think that the matter will be sorted out satisfactorily and fairly quickly. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Amalley0627 Welcome to the Teahouse.

It sounds like you have run into an edit filter while trying to edit Sangmin. Since the edit did not get published, and you did not provide much by way of additional details when you made your false positive report, it would just be speculation to guess why you triggered the edit filter.

I know that discussion of castes is covered by one of the general sanctions regimes, but I've never seen any mention of Korean castes. Or perhaps it was one of the references you offered. It would probably be best at this point to add more details to your false positive report. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit won’t show up

My edit on USSR was published, but won’t show up, even though it wasn’t reverted. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It shows up. -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, on the source it does, but not the actual article. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 13:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248: It shows up in the article when I look at it, but it's still showing up in the twelfth position like it was showing up before you made the edit. The reason it's doing that has to do with the paramaters you've used for that particular entry. You physically moved the entry to a higher position in the list, but the you didn't change the parameters for the entry and still used |s12= and |flag_s12=; so, the software reads that as add this entry to the twelfth line in the list. First, you need to change the parameter to reflect the new location you want the entry and it's flag to appear; then, you need to adjusts the parameters of each subsequent entry according to reflect the new ordering. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for poining this out. I have fixed it now. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 14:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Translation

I have translated a wikipedia article and want to publish it. However, wikipedia says that publishing translation is limited to experienced users.

Here's the translated page (in English) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Public_Voice

And here's the original article (in Persian): https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D9%88%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%85%DB%8C

Would you please help me add the English translation as another language to the original article?

Thank you! Hobabe.shisheh (talk) 04:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Hobabe.shisheh and welcome to the Teahouse!

While use of the translation tool is restricted, you can certainly produce a translated draft, as you have here, and see if you can get it accepted at WP:articles for creation. Some requirements need to be met. Use the {{translated page}} template on the talk page of the draft to pinpoint where the text is being translated from. And, despite being an article on a different language Wikipedia, the draft must still comply with English Wikipedia's policies before it can be accepted.

In this case, you need to supply more inline citations for the content (or remove the content you cannot find supporting sources for) and you need to keep a focus on how your subject meets notability guidelines, such as the ones at NBAND.

The other problem with your draft is that it is not really written in an encyclopedic, neutral style or tone. A sentence like Public Voice's escape from Iran was a long and arduous journey comes off as editorializing, which we are not supposed to do. If you can quote a person who holds that opinion, then - properly quoted and cited - it can appear in an article. There's a lot of other examples of this kind of writing in your draft that will likely prevent it from being accepted in its current state. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Add new article

Hi, I would like to create an article for a windsurfing athlete of Belize. WomenWhoSurf (talk) 04:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

hi @WomenWhoSurf and welcome to the Teahouse! please check out the notability criteria for sports which tells you the criteria for sports-related articles, reliable sources for what sources can be used for the article, and Your first article for writing the article itself, once notability is established and sources are obtained. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

See Windsurfing, International stars, for a few examples of existing articles. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Add new article about short film

Hi, I would like to create an article for the short film "nothing, except everything.", which will be adapted into a feature soon by Sony. It is directed by Wesley Wang, and has been written about when it won a few film festivals, in university publications, and Hollywood newspapers when it was recently announced it'd be turned into a feature. Tidiestpine (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

hi and welcome to the Teahouse! please check the notability criteria for films, which has the criteria for films that can have an article, and get some reliable and independent sources that discuss it in depth and not just through passing mentions before you start writing about it. for the article writing process itself, you may consult Your first article. happy editing!

on an unrelated note, i should really check the film out too, it's been stuck in my Watch Later for a while now 💜  melecie  talk - 06:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

ping: @Tidiestpine 💜  melecie  talk - 06:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

adding refrence

https://www.republicbharat.com/india/education/agenciple-revamp-is-providing-better-career-options-for-youth-in-it-sector/ can i add this article to Draft:Vaibhav Palhade i found it new release today but have mentioned as founder of organisation Steelbird1967 (talk) 09:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Steelbird, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The purpose of a citation in a Wikipedia article is to provide verification for particular information in the article: nothing else.

If Republic Bharat appears to be a reliable source (see in particular WP:NEWSORGINDIA), and you are using it to support a claim in the draft, then you can certainly add the citation to the end of the sentence or paragraph with that claim in it. ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing The Eras Tour (section)

Hi I'm just wondering of Editing The Eras Tour country/venue list (section) because I wanted to see the different leg country sections of the tour for the viewers to read the venue list from each legs sections properly. For example Leg 1 - North America, Leg 2 - Latin America, Leg 3 - Asia & Oceania, Leg 4 - Europe, Leg 5 - North America. SectorKWiki19 (talk) 09:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please offer proposed changes to that article on its associated talk page, Talk:The Eras Tour. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

What to do

How are you supposed to tell the difference between if something is promotional or not? Like this excerpt: "According to Star Tribune in 2015, the project resulted in a 70 percent increase in walking in the city, smoking decreasing by 4 percent, and participants in the program losing a combined 4 tons of weight. In 2022, while reflecting on the project, retiring project lead Ellen Kehr noted that smoking had further fallen from 23 percent at the start of the project to 16%. According to themselves, the Blue Zones project has spread to over 70 communities across North America and impacted approximately 4.35 million people." It seems promotional...but is it? TheBrowniess (talk) 11:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

According to themselves, the Blue Zones project: I'll take the referent of "themselves" to be "the Blue Zones project" (syntactically odd, but no alternative referent occurs to me). So now we have the project and its retiring lead -- and nobody else -- describing the project's success. I wouldn't call that "promotional", but certainly it's not satisfactory. -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy: This is about AARP/Blue Zones Vitality Project. David notMD (talk) 12:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The 'advertising tone' tag was put there November 23. Several of the edits since then were described as removing promotional tone wording. Consider removing the tag. David notMD (talk) 13:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Is this artist's discography long enough to justify its own page?

I think that the discography section of K.Flay's article is quite long. Could be created into a separate discography article? Rockboy1009 (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

add longtitudes and latitudes

how do i add coordinates of a location (longtitudes, latitudes) to an article. im writing an article about a town in texas Draft:Israel, Texas (Polk county) CSIfan2007 (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Please see Template:Coord for how to format them - if you have any questions, please come back. - Arjayay (talk) 14:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@CSIfan2007: If you should need help in obtaining the correct coordinates, they can be found on this GNIS page. (Round the d/m/s coordinates to the nearest second.) That page can also be added as a reference in the draft; see Template:Cite gnis. Deor (talk) 15:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Article too "directory"-like

The article Baraem, an Arabic children's TV network, seems to me to read like a TV programme moreso than an encyclopedia entry. I don't want to take a step myself because I'm unsure if these airtimes are worth editing out or not. BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 14:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree and I simply removed it. Esolo5002 (talk) 15:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

New User question re: conflict of interest

Hello! I am a brand new User, just starting to find my way around and needing guidance. Yesterday I substantially improved upon and added to this stub: Boniface Luykx, which was created in 2015. I intend to expand it into a real article with specific citations in the near future. My question: I knew Boniface Luykx, who has been deceased for 20 years, and edited some of his works. I need to disclose this potential conflict of interest, but I am not sure how or where to do so. Many thanks. Sister2022 (talk) 16:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sister2022, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for being open about your COI. The best place to declare it is on your user page User:Sister2022. (You have not so far created this: that's all right, it's not required, and some editors choose never to create it. But it's a good place to make the declaration).

You can also declare it on the talk page Talk:Boniface Luykx.

As you'll see from WP:COI, you should not from now on edit the article directly, but should make edit requests on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for this guidance! I will proceed as you have suggested. Sister2022 (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Appeal an AfD decision

I was involved in an AfD decision recently that I feel had emerging consensus around a Keep !vote but the closing admin chose instead to Merge. If anything, I think this was premature at least and that more !votes were coming in still in support of a keep of the page, and the merge view was in the minority and not soundly based on policy. How might I go about appealing this other than already posting on the closing admins talk page?

The AfD in question was very well supported by reliable sources that did absolutely distinguish between the term the page referred to and another similar term. Here is the link to the AfD that I would like to appeal merging of. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woke Mind Virus. I am not familiar with the process of an appeal, if there is one, but I do not think this particular decision accurately reflects the consensus that appeared as a result of the AfD. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review. I'm unfamiliar with the process, but DRV is the proper venue for appealing AfD decisions. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 18:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

A list of examples of things that should be cited

I'm currently working on an article on the game Mindustry. However, I need reliable sources to support the article. I don't have any trouble finding information on Mindustry, but what kind of information in the article should be cited? Do I just cite everything I see? Gaster2411 (talk) 19:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse. Everything in an article should be supported by a reliable source. Citations allow a reader to verify that the information presented in a Wikipedia article is correct, and to provide more information or context if needed. Please see the Verifiability policy for more information. Mokadoshi (talk) 20:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thanks Gaster2411 (talk) 20:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Proper procedure for obscenities/slurs?

I'm wondering if there's any sort of proper procedure to censor quotes.

I recently read an article (WeatherStar) which contains a quote from an incident where a broadcast machine was tampered with. The quote contains a racial slur, and despite the MOS saying that quotes should always contain obscenities exactly as the quote was said, I can't help but think it's inappropriate to have the uncensored quote on a page where it really wouldn't be expected to see language like that. MilesPrower1992 (talk) 19:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@MilesPrower1992: the MOS saying that quotes should always contain obscenities exactly as the quote was said - The MOS reflects consensus, as at the time it was written. If you wish to propose a change to the MOS, do so on WT:MOS. But first please read WP:NOTCENSORED, then check that the same change has not been proposed in recent months. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

We could consider the whatever to fail WP:PROPORTION and remove it. One of the refs is WP:NYPOST. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi MilesPrower1992. As you've pointed out, Wikipedia's doesn't really WP:CENSOR or otherwise WP:BOWDLERIZE quotes containing what might be perceived by some as offensive content. So, if the content is part of a reliably sourced quote and essential to the understandng of a the quote in an encyclopedic context, then it can be included in articles. You've already started a discussion about the latter at Talk:WeatherStar#RE: the racial slur incident; so, that's the best place to continue the discussion. My personal opinion is that you're probably going to need to come up with a stronger argument than I really didn't expect to have to explain why I showed my friend an article including the hard R (particularly since there exists a stand-alone Wikipedia article about the slur in question), but you can also seek additional input from relevant WikiProjects if you like as long as you do so in accordance with WP:APPNOTE. There are no WikiProject banners listed at the top of that article's talk page, but perhaps some of the ones listed at the top of Talk:The Weather Channel would also apply to this article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi again MilesPrower1992. The relevant content looks to have been WP:BOLDly added in August 2022 with this edit. You could WP:PING the editor who added it to the article talk page discussion you started, or add a {{Please see}} template to their user talk page to see whether they want to comment on it. Whatever you decide to do, you should WP:AGF and not automatically assume the worst of the other editor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The content in question has two references, neither of which uses the n-word. As pointed out by Gråbergs Gråa Sång, the New York Post is not a reliable source and so that reference should be removed. While it is correct that we do not modify direct quotes, it is also correct that a direct quote must be attributed to its source. Accordingly, I believe that the offensive quote should be paraphrased, and the specific slur should be omitted. Cullen328 (talk) 21:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

How to add notes on wikipedia?

I keep seeing people with notes that are like

Saturn has rings (A) - (This would be a blue link) And then a would be a note. How do you add these? Thank you if you help in any way. 65.34.207.88 (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 65.34.207.88. It sounds like you're asking about "explanatory notes" or "efn". If that's the case, you can find out some more information about efn at Help:Shortened footnotes#Explanatory notes. If that's not the case, then perhaps you can provide a link to an article where you're seeing these "notes" to make it easier for others to figure out what you're referring to. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding EFN for references

Hello everyone!

I recently have been editing my grandmothers article on Wikipedia. I had to stop obviously because I learned I had a COI. We had to remove her birth dates because they didn't have a reliable ref. Is using a EFN OK and saying something along the lines of

Birth date August 21, 1965 (EFN) No reliable source but confirmed by family. (EFN)

Her name is Catherine Emihovich

{I also could use help improving the article but I know you guys don't that here} Shane emihovich (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)