User talk:Softlemonades/Archive 1

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Hello Softlemonades. Thanks for your work on the Wikileaks article.

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A barnstar for you!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For your handling of that proxy. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 22:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

UnBlocked

Leaving this for now, will remove later since the block was quickly reversed. Not sure if it needs to stay or go right now because of the template stuff

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Request reason:

Im not a sockpuppet, Ive never heard of the account Im accused of being. Ive been in good standing and made over a thousand edits. The SPI report was in bad faith and because of a proxy hopping sock puppet who has been inserting content about Cyber Anakin and involved in multiple ongoing conflicts about it, which have been reported to ANI and SPI. ANI lays out many of the issues and shows admins disapproving of IP editors behavior and agreeing the article had a lot of cruft that needed to be removed. The text was originally inserted by an admitted sock puppet IP. The IP editor has said theyll use "unlimited proxies" and left a message on someones talk page saying they should "assemble some cabal, play dirty on them so much they'll simply back off." I was given a Barnstar for my handling of it. Right after I was blocked, the IP editor left a message on the user page of the editor Ive been working with on the Cyber Anakin issues , saying "Look who I just got blocked at SPI. Might want to learn a lesson from that Sideswipe9th. I'll be watching you closely for any mistakes. The pages will be unprotected soon enough so the content can be restored. Time to back off while you still can, consider yourself warned.". Someone appeared from a new IP address to restore the Cyber Anakin content to the pages, despite the "marginally reliable" source RfC majority vote and low importance citing my SPI in the edit summary. I can talk to CU privately about anything else but the IP editors SPI request was obvious bad faith meant to intimidate and silence . Softlemonades (talk) 15:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per below GeneralNotability (talk) 21:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I plan to review this unblock request this evening. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I also sent CU a note because I think I needed to anyway. I linked to this in the email, so it felt right to let you know about that message too Softlemonades (talk) 16:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

All right, my read of the situation for the record:

• CU does not provide a strong match between Softlemonades and Chimney Sweepa, though both appear to intermittently be using proxies so this is less "no match" and more "inconclusive". There are some technical differences that make me doubtful of the relationship, though.
• There is certainly a topic overlap between the two, but dusting off my old clerk behavioral analysis skills, their writing styles seem sufficiently different to cast doubt on the relationship.
• I have seen a pattern of attempts to discredit Softlemonades through a variety of proxy addresses, apparently centering on content disputes around the Anonymous (hacker group) topic area, especially Cyber Anakin. It has gone past "content dispute" and appears to have escalated into "harassment campaign". I believe this person (or group, I suppose) filed the original SPI and subsequently sent this rather ominous message to Sideswipe9th, who as far as I can tell is also involved in this content dispute, and so this looks to me like someone leveraging SPI to attack someone they disagree with. I am also aware of off-wiki claims that they are a state-sponsored actor and/or are one of a half-dozen sockmasters. That one sounds like "throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks".

Based on all of the above, I believe that there is not enough behavioral or technical evidence to call Softlemonades a sock of Chimney Sweepa, and further, that the initial report is severely tainted by the circumstances. I am therefore going to unblock Softlemonades. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, could you also please review the last few SPIs from this checkuser if there are any? Given this was quite clearly not a slam dunk and I could tell that from a mile away? (Struck per discussion on user talk)[Andre🚐 23:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)]20:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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Did you see we made Taiwan News?

Greetings comrade!

Apparently we're connected to the CCP according to Taiwan News! I wonder when I'll start getting my paycheque from Beijing /s Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:48, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

We should rethink the "marginally reliable" thing. This doesnt make any mistakes and passes verifiability on every detail, add it to RSP stat /s Softlemonades (talk) 17:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

(Redacted)

Softlemonades (talk) 06:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

(Redacted)Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

(Redacted)Softlemonades (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Inquiry

Do you mind telling me which (Redacted) IPs are being used by? Pinging Drmies who they also clearly have a beef with. 74.73.224.126 (talk) 22:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I really don't know. There's a longtime soccer vandal in that area of Portugal, but this is a proxy so it could be anyone. Drmies (talk) 22:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I dunno what an LTA is or what those IPs are, sorry Softlemonades (talk) 22:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

See WP:LTA; for some reason they named you directly in their edit, and indirectly referenced Drmies in the last line of that section with accusations of criminal activity. That said there are a lot of LTAs out there so it can be hard to tell, guess I'll have to do source searches later to see if they spammed any other targets. 74.73.224.126 (talk) 22:40, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I see it now. If you havent yet see also (Redacted)Softlemonades (talk) 23:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

(Redacted)74.73.224.126 (talk) 02:16, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Break

Thanks for bearing with me Softlemonades. I've prepared this primarily for you since Drmies is quite used to dealing with internet crazy people already, though I suppose knowing an LTAs tells can still help socks get tossed into the drawer more quickly. I expect I'll be on another weeks long wikibreak soon, and so won't be of much help in the immediate future. However if even an extremely rusty old dog like myself can pick up on the scent, I doubt any of our active and practiced RCP and sockhunting types will have any trouble. (Redacted) 74.73.224.126 (talk) 13:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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It already has more than three and your decision to start suddenly patrolling my pages after I got community support to recreat one you had deleted is a bit odd Softlemonades (talk) 15:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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I dont think I violated copyright but I cant see the edits youre talking about so I cant really respond. The quotes I included were quotes of people not article quotes Softlemonades (talk) 16:48, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

There were some quotes, but there was also some surrounding prose that was copied. — Diannaa (talk) 22:48, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Here is a link to the CopyPatrol report. Click on the iThenticate link to view what was found. — Diannaa (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps. It wasnt what I thought it was and youre right, it needed to be edited and rewritten more. Ill make it better

Thanks again for the CopyPatrol link. I didnt know about that, and if I make another mistake itll help me re do it the right way Softlemonades (talk) 00:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

FYI about page restriction

Hi Softlemonades, and thank you for your edits at Julian Assange. In case you don't know, or it slipped your mind, the page is under both a 1RR and a consensus required restriction. I believe your second revert qualifies under the BLP exception for both, but I figured I'd drop a note in case you'd rather not be in the grey area. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 06:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi thanks for saying something. I thought it was clear BLP vandalism and already decided so it would be ok and reported the IP after the second revert. Should I not? With a page like this is it better to stay out of the grey area? Softlemonades (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I might have done it myself! If you're planning on claiming an exemption, make sure to say so. See WP:3RRNO: "If you are claiming an exemption, make sure there is a clearly visible edit summary or separate section of the talk page that explains the exemption." Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 07:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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@Diannaa Julian Assanges essay is public domain or whatever its called, Wired is not the original source [1] [2]

It iss a blockquote that is DUE and quoted in several RS

These kinds of quotes are normal Talk:Julian_Assange#Trafigura_report_and_super-injunction Softlemonades (talk) 13:28, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

There's several problems with your statement.

• I didn't remove the block quote.
• The content I did remove is not present in the essay, but is present in the source article (at The Monthly.com). What I removed was a sentence about child pornograhy that was an exact match for the source document and was not withinin quotation marks or a block quote template. It is the sentence beginning "On the cypherpunks list he defended ..."
• The essay is not in the public domain. Under current copyright law, literary works are subject to copyright whether they are tagged as such or not. No registration is required, and no copyright notice is required. So please always assume that all material you find online is copyright.

— Diannaa (talk) 13:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply!

I couldnt tell what you removed because the diffs are gone, so I looked at the report like you showed me before and assumed

Ok, good to know and easy fix

Ok, thank you

Thank you for being patient with me Softlemonades (talk) 13:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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Assange copyvio

Hello. "copyvio" is not cured by attribution. Without attribution it's plagiarism but on WP we still do not quote large blocks of text selected by editors. More specifically to address your edit summary however, I followed the 3 references for that section and nowhere is that text signed or attributed to Assange. It may well be his words and he may have published them for free use, but if so we need to document both those indicators before publishing it on WP. In this case, I also think it's UNDUE to quote that long bit rather than determine what the RS narrative tells us about his early thought and the ideological basis for his undertakings. Please consider. SPECIFICO talk 19:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I followed the 3 references for that section and nowhere is that text signed or attributed to Assange Yes it is

In "Conspiracy as Governance," which Assange posted to his blog in December 2006, the leader of then-new WikiLeaks describes what he considered to be the most effective way to attack a conspiracy---including, as he puts it, that particular form of conspiracy known as a political party. ... And how to induce that "organisational stupor?" Foment the fear that any correspondence could leak at any time. "The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. This must result in minimization of efficient internal communications mechanisms (an increase in cognitive 'secrecy tax') and consequent system-wide cognitive decline resulting in decreased ability to hold onto power as the environment demands adaptation." Wired

The promise is fulfilled in a blog entry of 31 December 2006. Here he outlines finally the idea at the core of the WikiLeaks strategy.

The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in the leadership and planning coterie. This must result in minimization of efficient internal communications mechanisms (an increase in cognitive ‘secrecy tax’) and consequent system-wide cognitive decline resulting in decreased ability to hold onto power as the environment demands adaptation. Hence in a world where leaking is easy, secretive or unjust systems are nonlinearly hit relative to open, just systems. Since unjust systems, by their nature induce opponents, and in many places barely have the upper hand, leaking leaves them exquisitely vulnerable to those who seek to replace them with more open forms of governance. The Monthly

And IQ.org was Assanges website like you can see here [3] that also has the quote Softlemonades (talk) 19:57, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I didn't say they are not his words -- I don't know. But it is not verified by the sources. It may be verified by what his followers know or believe to be true, but if so it should be easy to find RS to point our readers to the source for verification. As it stands, the quote is not verified by the sources and there's nothing to indicate much about the self-published website IQ. The other reason I gave in my edit summary is that we as WP editors should not be picking what long quote of Assange's should have the most NPOV WEIGHT on his short bio page. after all these years, there is abundant secondary and tertiary coverage and we should use the central narratives of RS to describe his early ideology and its relationship to Wikileaks' early program and undertakings. I'm surprised the editors on the article talk page don't make some effort to improve this key section rather than to repeat immaterial deflections. SPECIFICO talk 21:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

The RSes attribute it to Assange, Cambial verified that Softlemonades (talk) 23:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

If you care to invest the time. i suggest you examine the cited sources yourself. They do not verify the content, and the UNDUE problem would remain even if verified. It's disappointing they would not find adequate sources. SPECIFICO talk 00:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

If you care to invest the time. i suggest you examine the cited sources yourself. They do not verify the content I did and they do, and other editors already siad that Softlemonades (talk) 13:05, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Let's put a pin in that verification problem for the time being, since as I said I have no reason to believe that with better references it could be verified to be his words. That still leaves the significant issue of using an editor-selected primary extract from a lengthy manifesto that is of seminal importance to Assange's life story. That passage was added nearly 10 years ago at a time when the article was in very poor shape with editor-curated content much of which lacked NPOV WEIGHT in RS. If that is the most significant principle of Assange's early work, there will be abundant RS secondary and tertiary sourcing that establish its noteworthiness for the narrative of our WP page. I don't see anyone working on finding the central NPOV mainstream narrative as to Assange's foundational early views. Once such sources and depictions are found, the text can be improved and the other 2 issues become moot. SPECIFICO talk 16:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

That still leaves the significant issue of using an editor-selected primary extract

If that is the most significant principle of Assange's early work, there will be abundant RS secondary and tertiary sourcing that establish its noteworthiness for the narrative of our WP page

The RSes highlighted and qouted the quote. One RS called it Assanges endgame Other editors have told you its fine. Make your arguments on the Assange Talk page, not here Softlemonades (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm surprised at your response. I thought we had worked well together for many years -- if I had you confused with somebody else, my apologies. With all respect, however, my visit here isn't what's meant by forumshopping, and that's a loaded term that should be used wisely. Best wishes. SPECIFICO talk 18:59, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I thought we had worked well together for many years And Cambial and I have argued for the two years Ive been here but this time we agree

my visit here isn't what's meant by forumshopping No but continuing here might be, so I think we should go back to the main page especially since youre talking about NPOV and DUE WEIGHT now. We dont need to talk about it without the others Softlemonades (talk) 10:06, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Technical note

Hi Softlemonades. A brief technical note that will help other editors looking at your work. I notice that sometimes you use refnames like "author-name-year", and other times refnames like ":1". It will be helpful to page maintenance if you can change to the former type when you repeat a reference (I personally use a shortened version e.g. Smi23, Man11). This is also the guidance at WP:INLINECLUTTER: Repeated citations - To help with page maintenance, it is recommended that the text of the name have a connection to the inline citation or footnote, for example "author year page" and the how-to guide at WP:REFNAME: Try to avoid picking a name that someone else is likely to choose for a new citation, such as ":0" or "NYT".

I know visual editor initially autogenerates the ":1" type names. If you could change them when you first reuse a citation that will be helpful to identifying sources in wikitext. Thanks! Cambial — foliar❧ 11:12, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

If you could change them when you first reuse a citation that will be helpful to identifying sources in wikitext I will try to remember. Tell me if you find a visual editor setting Softlemonades (talk) 12:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I know very little about visual editor but if I come across one I will. Cambial — foliar❧ 15:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

We all have a lot to learn

Thanks for taking my comment in good faith. All of us, myself included, can always find ways to become better editors. Heck, I was only active on this account from 2008-2009, and I've been IP lurking ever since, until last month - so I have an awful lot to catch up on.

I want to be clear that I do see the concerns you have with Philomathes' behavior. I have left them a comment on their talk page about the enormity of their comment size, and I hope they will read it and think about it. Just wanted you to know that I wasn't shrugging off your concerns - merely suggesting that the analysis of behavior stay off the Teahouse thread, so that other folks aren't intimidated by it. I'm not an admin or anything, and I hope I'm not stepping over any spoken or unspoken boundaries by attempting to mediate the situation. If I am, please let me know. Cheers. Pecopteris (talk) 19:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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I didnt even think of that. Thank you so much for pointing it out. Softlemonades (talk) 17:34, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

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Philomathes2357

I notified everyone I mentioned when I posted the WPANI. Here's the one to Philomathes2357. [4] USNavelObservatory (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I reverted my double notify on Philos talk page. Sorry I didnt see it. I wanted no problems with the report because of something like no user notify Softlem (talk) 21:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Not a problem. Thanks for checking. USNavelObservatory (talk) 21:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Did Philomathes2357 just accuse me of being stupid there? USNavelObservatory (talk) 21:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Wow. Philomathes2357's response is a giant wallotext and mean. Accusing me of having a fixation on them? Someone has ISSUES. USNavelObservatory (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Removal of mentions of Wikileaks

Is there a reason you are systematically removing mentions of Wikileaks from articles? You appear to be justifying these edits by MOS:OL, but seeing how you are only removing mentions of that specific organisation, I find this suspect. Curious to hear your rational. - Skipple ☎ 03:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Lot of my edits are about Wikileaks. The United States diplomatic cables leak is a better link for the cable references and explains Wikileaks

A lot of the pages only link to Wikileaks so I am replacing those links. Some link to Wikileaks and United States diplomatic cables leak and Diplomatic cable and Classified which is obviously MOS:OL example diffs [5] [6] [7]

I am leaving links that are obviously WP:DUE Softlem (talk) 03:32, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Your recent edit removing the mention of Wikileaks from Neera Tanden but leaving behind "Neera Tanden said", you created the inaccurate impression that Tanden publicly made a very controversial series of statements. This mention of Wikileaks was not UNDUE but an important part of the meaning of the sentence. HouseOfChange (talk) 18:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

you created the inaccurate impression that Tanden publicly made a very controversial series of statements I dont agree but will remember

This mention of Wikileaks was not UNDUE but an important part of the meaning of the sentence This mention of Wikileaks was contradicted by the source In an October 2011 email conversation with Faiz Shakir leaked to The Intercept [8] and my summary didnt say it was UNDUE Softlem (talk) 18:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

I was mistaken about that particular leaked private email coming from Wikileaks. Thanks for fixing it! I am glad you agree that the "private email" part of the sentence is an important qualifier of "Neera Tanden said." HouseOfChange (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Because its been a few days Im going to look at the other 200 times by Wikileaks and cables are close in text for links I can make better with United States diplomatic cables leak link. Ill try to explain better in edit summary and will follow BRD like with HouseOfChange Softlem (talk) 11:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

angela goethals

what's it going to take for wikipedia to add at angela bethany goethals's bio,

that her date of birth is may 20 1977 and that she has been married to russell soder since 2005 and that she has 2 kids?

because that is very important information that you are leaving out at her wikipedia biography, wikipedia. Robby mercier (talk) 16:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

You need to supply reliable sources that prove that this is the case. Without them nothing will happen. And don't complain on every board you can find, people will just end up ignoring you. Provide reliable sources to support the information you wish to add and list them on the article talk page. Canterbury Tail talk 16:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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