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MLRS and expanded acronym redirect removal

MLRS and expanded acronym. I reverted the removal of the redirects. The edit history also mentions incoming links that were not dealt with before removing the redirects? There's a clear primary topic, with other entries merely examples of the PT, so no need for a dab anyhow. It's typical around here to create a discussion when changing the PT. Regards Widefox; talk 15:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Basingstoke Bison seasons

Template:Basingstoke Bison seasons has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Bugle op-ed

Hi Schierbecker, did you want to add anything to your bit here? I was looking to despatch this issue shortly... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

All done with it. Thanks. Schierbecker (talk) 10:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Requesting Input on APS Article Rewrite

Hey Schierbecker, one of the writers of the Active Protection System article and I believe the scope of the article is wrong. I simply came across someone who was confused about what APS means and tracked it back to the article. I would like to correct the article by limiting it to point defense systems for vehicles (as the included list of examples currently reflects.) Much of the inapplicable content could be used to flesh out the stub point-defence article. Anyway, just wanted to run it by someone who'd helped write the page before doing something this drastic.

OwenEason (talk) 06:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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That user's obviously looking to get a rise from someone. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 19:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Even though that IP on Elon's talk page is a clear WP:SEALION, we need to maintain WP:CIVILITY. Please don't do that again. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:56, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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Jane's Main Battle Tanks, First Edition

Thank you for your note on the main talk page. JMBT Second edition says Somali forces were ‘three tank/mechanised brigades and about 20 infantry battalions," page 186. I only have the second edition. But that data more reflects the situation as of the first edition. Can you check and see if the wording is identical? Many thanks!! Buckshot06 (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

The penny drops!! You were not talking of your offline, hardcopy personal library but the books available on the Internet Archive. So just checked this myself!! Thankyou!! Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!! Buckshot06 (talk) 12:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Glad I could help! Schierbecker (talk) 23:55, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Good luck tracking all the twists and turns of the M1/M2/M3 Bradley replacement!! Looks like it's (still) going to be a long and winding road.. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Fingers crossed this is the one. I'm at my wits end with these programs! Schierbecker (talk) 03:29, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I instantly throught of the MBT70 when I saw what you had written. 1963: start ; 1971: end of XM803. Mid 1979: initial production approved for M1. Getting more complex, getting slower.. Anyway, summer greetings from New Zealand; hope you have heat and power up there. US stories are wall to wall about this storm. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:25, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Total Bradley Fighting Vehicles slated for Ukraine

Hi,

I edited the Bradley Fighting Vehicles number slated for Ukraine to 109. This is based on the two separate defense packages announced as follows:

29th drawdown of equipment including 50 Bradley Fighting Vehicles (announced Jan 6): https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3261263/more-than-3-billion-in-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

30th drawdown of equipment including 59 Bradley Fighting Vehicles (announced Jan 19): https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3272866/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/ Pitabread999 (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Some news sources are saying 109, so I'm fine with that. Avoid synthesizing multiple sources to come up with a new number. Regardless, do not edit war. Pitabread999. Schierbecker (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this contribution. However, please note that using rollback ([1], [2]) in simple content disputes, which this was, is highly discouraged. You both should have discussed the content at the article's talk page. Politrukki (talk) 22:14, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Yep, that was bad on my part. Thank you. Schierbecker (talk) 22:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Thomas Sewell Page move

You were quick to move the corresponding page to the right title. I was just making a request at WP:RM/TR for the same. Now I won't have to, thank you very much! ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 06:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the close! Cheers. Schierbecker (talk) 06:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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Meanwhile at Portal:Sex work

A living person, an actress, who is not a sex worker, and has performed the role of a sex worker in a film is showcased as a "Selected general sex worker" because her name is included in the list of fictional prostitutes (List of prostitutes and courtesans#Film, television, and musical theater), entries from which list are transcluded on the portal using the "good" single-page portal technique; the portal is rated as "Complete" by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals; the last talk page activity on the portal was four years ago. Regards —Alalch E. 15:41, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Jamie Lee Curtis? *facepalm*. Schierbecker (talk) 04:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

And Jodie Foster etc. I fixed it. But it was like that for years. —Alalch E. 12:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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And I had such a nice, slightly tongue-in-cheek response prepared.

Cheers, WikiHannibal (talk) 15:14, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

User:WikiHannibal I had vaguely positive interactions with that user. I will know now to double check their contributions when I see them. Cheers, Schierbecker (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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A Letter from a Falun Gong Practitioner

Dear Schierbecker,

My name is Shar Wong. I am a Falun Dafa practitioner. Please forgive me for taking the liberty of writing this letter to you.

You must have noticed that the articles on Wikipedia of Falun Gong (also known as Falun Dafa) and Mr. Li Hongzhi (the founder of Falun Dafa) have been edited more and more frequently in recent years because they are “too controversial”, and even now they have become “sensitive articles”. According to common sense, Falun Gong is just a Buddhist school spiritual cultivation practice. People's understanding of Falun Gong and Mr. Li Hongzhi should not be so controversial. However, because the CCP (the Chinese Communist Party) has continued to smear Falun Gong for over 24 years, many Wikipedia editors who do not know the truth of Falun Gong have been deceived by the CCP's lies, mistakenly believing that the real Falun Gong is just like the CCP‘s propaganda; therefore, the Falun Gong and Falun Gong related articles on Wikipedia have been twistedly written and edited.

Today, Falun Gong and Falun Gong related articles on Wikipedia have been far from the truth. You received this letter because you have edited articles such as "Falun Dafa" ，“Li Hongzhi" ，or "Shen Yun". I hereby implore you to treat Falun Dafa kindly, because Falun Dafa is not a cult propagated by the CCP, but a Dharma that helps mankind avoid destruction in the end. Do you know, the CCP's persecution of Falun Dafa is a great test of good and evil placed in front of all mankind? Only those who recognize Falun Dafa and exclude the CCP's can be kept; And those who identify with the CCP and reject Dafa will be wiped out in the last great pandemic in which God purifies mankind in the near future.

I sincerely hope that you will be safe, so I hope that when editing Falun Dafa or Falun Dafa related articles, you will not help the CCP to slander Mr. Li Hongzhi, Falun Gong, and Shen Yun. There are three reasons:

Ø  First, this is not in line with Wikipedia's principle of objectivity and neutrality. Wikipedia articles should only state someone or something in a neutral manner and should not evaluate or even denigrate someone or something with any political position or personal opinion.

Ø  Second, Wikipedia is an international website, and slandering Dafa and Mr. Li Hongzhi on Wikipedia is likely to be seen by many readers. If these readers reject Dafa because of your negative statements about Dafa and Mr. Li Hongzhi, it will cause them to lose their lives in the final elimination, and your guilt will be great.

Ø  Third, the ancient Chinese said that the sin of slandering Buddha is like a mountain. Therefore, those who are kind to Dafa will be blessed; Those who persecute or slander Dafa will suffer bad retribution (such as bad fortune, illnesses of different severity due to the different severity and consequences of your slander of Dafa and Mr. Li Hongzhi, or even death).

Over the past 24 years, tens of thousands of public security, procuratorate, court, 610 office, and propaganda workers in China who have helped the CCP persecute or slander Dafa have received bad retributions. Some of them retribution is on themselves, some are on their loved ones. The retribution forms are all different. There are many such examples on the Chinese version minghui.org; there are also some on the English version minghui.org. You are welcome to take a look: https://en.minghui.org/cc/58/

What I said sounded superstitious, but they are all true. If you have slandered Falun Dafa and Mr. Li Hongzhi, you might have already received bad retribution, but you did not know what the cause was.  I wrote these things out without any malice. I just simply hope that you live a safe and happy life. Don’t be deceived by the satanic CCP, or even lose your happiness, precious health, and even your life for a little monetary benefit. If you have slandered Falun Dafa and Mr. Li Hongzhi, it is never too late to correct your wrongdoings.

Falun Dafa is quite extraordinary, not a simple qigong to cure illness or for fitness, let alone what so-called “new religious movement”, how magical and extraordinary Falun Dafa is, I can hardly tell you in a few words, but you can get a basic impression through the following article:

·        Only an Angel Can Have Such a Miracle Happen

http://www.pureinsight.org/node/5650

In the 24 years that the CCP has persecuted Falun Dafa, in order to smear Falun Dafa and Mr. Li Hongzhi, the CCP has concocted too many lies, such as demonizing Falun Dafa by concocting “Tiananmen self-immolation”, smearing Falun Dafa as a cult; impose the name “Li Lai” on Mr. Li Hongzhi; slandering Mr. Li Hongzhi for tampering with his birthday to impersonate Shakyamuni; Pan Yufang using oxytocin to deliver Mr. Li Hongzhi and so on…None of them are true. In the following, I will dissect these lies of the CCP’s, so you will know the truth:

1.  The "Tiananmen Square self-immolation" is a scam concocted by the CCP

In order to demonize Falun Gong, the CCP used the armed police and its mouthpiece CCTV concocted "Tiananmen Self-Immolation" on January 23, 2001. There are many flaws in this "self-immolation" incident, here I will only name four:

A.   Usually, the police do not carry fire extinguishers and fire blankets when patrolling Tiananmen Square, but when the "self-immolation" occurred, the police immediately used dozens of fire extinguishers to quickly extinguish the fire. Where did these fire extinguishers come from, if not prepared in advance?

B.   The little girl Liu Siying has a tracheal but can speak and sing in a clear voice, and some medical experts say: This is a big joke in the history of medicine.

C.   CCTV said that Liu Siying's skin was extensively burned, but they wrapped her whole body with bandages, which is also an obvious fake, because patients with skin burns must keep their skin bare, and if bandaged it will cause adhesions, this is the most basic common sense of burns.

D.   The sitting posture of the self-immolator "Wang Jindong" is not a Falun Gong meditation position but a scattered seat of the People's Liberation Army or the armed police; the “Jieyin” posture of his hands was also wrong. "Meditation" and "Jieyin" are the most basic exercises of Falun Gong, which can be mastered as soon as they are just started, and a person who does not even know these two movements cannot be "a senior Falun Gong practitioner."

On August 14, 2001, at a United Nations meeting, the International Organization for Education Development strongly condemned the "state terrorism" of the Chinese Communist authorities in connection with the "Tiananmen self-immolation" incident. The statement said: Analysis from the video shows that the entire incident was directed by the CCP government. In the face of conclusive evidence, the CCP representatives present were speechless. The statement has been filed with the United Nations.

2.  Falun Gong is not a cult.

In articles such as Falun Gong, the founder of Falun Gong (Mr. Li Hongzhi), and Shen Yun, some Wikipedia editors called Falun Gong a "cult" and an "anti-society cult" in the tone of the CCP. However, even according to the CCP’s own Constitution, laws, and regulations, Falun Gong is not a cult, as detailed below:

·        In 2000 and 2005, the General Office of the CCP Central Committee, the General Office of the State Council, and the Ministry of Public Security, three authoritative organs of the State Council, issued the "Circular on Several Issues Concerning the Designation and Banning of Cult Organizations," ^[1] and Falun Gong was none of the 14 cults identified in this "Circular."

·        On June 2, 2014, the State Council and the Ministry of Public Security publicly reiterated the Circular through China's Legal Evening News, which still did not contain Falun Gong among the 14 cults identified in the Circular.

·        The first to slander Falun Gong as a cult was the CCP’s former leader Jiang Zemin. However, that was only his personal remark, not law. "Falun Gong is not among the 14 cults recognized by the CCP" – this is the joint determination of the three high-level CCP power organs: the General Office of the CCP Central Committee, the General Office of the State Council, and the Ministry of Public Security.

     ^[1] https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/公安部关于认定和取缔邪教组织若干问题的通知

3.  Mr. Li Hongzhi is not “Li Lai.”

In order to vilify Mr. Li Hongzhi, the CCP imposed on Mr. Li Hongzhi, a name with a very bad connotation ("Lai" means "scoundrel" in Chinese). Mr. Li Hongzhi has never used the name "Li Lai".

The CCP's persecution of Falun Gong and organ harvesting is known all over the world, and using the information provided by the persecuting party to vilify the persecuted vulnerable group is not in line with Wikipedia's objective and neutral position.

Moreover, a government that can concoct “Tiananmen self-immolation” to plant Falun Gong may concoct any other so-called evidence to discredit Mr. Li Hongzhi; therefore, any information provided by the persecuting party should not be advertised as "official information" and used to slander Mr. Li Hongzhi.

4.  Slander Mr. Li Hongzhi for correcting his birthday as falsifying his birthday to be the same date as Shakyamuni in order to present himself as the reincarnation of Shakyamuni

Mr. Li Hongzhi's real birthday was May 13, 1951, the eighth day of the fourth lunar month of the Chinese calendar (the birthday of Buddhism's founder Shakyamuni was also on this day). However, in the chaotic years of the Cultural Revolution, Mr. Li Hongzhi's birthday was mistakenly recorded by the government and became sometime in July 1952. In the 1990s, when Mr. Li Hongzhi began to teach Falun Dafa, with the help of his students, he corrected his birthday. After the CCP began its persecution of Falun Gong, it seized on this point to make a big fuss, saying that Mr. Li Hongzhi changed his birthday to the same day as Buddha Shakyamuni (meaning that Mr. Li Hongzhi wanted to deceive the people and present himself as the reincarnation of Shakyamuni).

Any Chinese knows that birthdays or other personal information mistakenly recorded by the government are commonplace in China under CCP rule. Could it be that Shakyamuni was born on the eighth day of the fourth lunar month, so that others could not be born on this day? If someone happens to be born on this day, is he trying to pretend to be Shakyamuni and deceive the people? Don’t you think it is ridiculous and evil for the CCP to use this completely subjective so-called evidence to attack Mr. Li Hongzhi? If Wikipedia continues to allow the CCP to impose these evil remarks on Wikipedia's articles of Falun Gong and Mr. Li Hongzhi, it is tantamount to continuing the CCP's smear and persecution of Falun Gong, and also destroying Wikipedia's reputation as an "objective and neutral encyclopedia".

5.  Used the contradictory evidence provided by the CCP that nurse Pan Yufang delivered Mr. Li Hongzhi at birth with oxytocin

Wikipedia also uses a statement provided by Pan Yufang, a nurse bought by the CCP, who claimed to "clearly remember using oxytocin to deliver Mr. Li Hongzhi at birth" to prove that Mr. Li's birthday was sometime in July 1952, not May 13, 1951. However, the funny thing is that oxytocin was first synthesized by American biochemist Vincent du Vigneaud in 1953 ^[2], so where did the oxytocin used by Pan Yufang in 1952 come from?

^[2] https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1955/vigneaud/facts/

6.  It is inaccurate to say that Falun Gong is a “New Religious Movement” on Wikipedia

Falun Gong is an ancient Chinese Buddhist school spiritual discipline, teaching people to constantly remove attachments, purify their minds, improve morality according to the standards of truthfulness-compassion-forbearance, and finally return to their innate pure and kind nature. Although Mr. Li Hongzhi only started to spread his teaching in 1992, he revised what he used to practice into something that is more suitable for widely spread. However, the real Falun Gong originated from the ancient cultivation culture and has a long history. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that Falun Gong is a "new religious movement" on Wikipedia. I hope this mistake can be corrected, whether it is fairness to Falun Gong, responsibility to Wikipedia readers, or to maintain Wikipedia's accuracy and objectivity.

7.  The extensive use of information provided by a criminal for crimes against humanity to slander its victims, has violated Wikipedia's principles of objectivity and neutrality.

The CCP's live harvesting of organs from Falun Gong practitioners has been judged by the China Tribunal of the British Independent People's Tribunal as a crime against humanity.^[3] Some editors of Wikipedia have used the so-called official information provided by the CCP as a criminal for crimes against humanity to slander Falun Gong and Mr. Li Hongzhi as its victims has far deviated from Wikipedia's objective and neutral position.

^[3] “China Tribunal – The Final Judgment.” https://chinatribunal.com/final-judgment/. June 17, 2019.  

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Tank weight/mass units

Hi Schierbecker, I reverted this edit and the following one, as the IP mistook "t" for short tons, not metric tons (tonnes). I'm checking a few contemporary US tank articles, including M4 Sherman and M26 Pershing, there's some inconsistency with what units are listed. Some list pounds and kg, some pounds and metric tons, and some list pounds and metric tons, along with either short or long tons, and so on. After checking 4 or 5 articles, with each using a different format, I decided to ask you about it, as you deal with more armored vehicle articles than I generally do. I'm specifically asking what's normally done for US armor articles, specifically WWII, but later if it changes. Hopefully there is a standard that WP:MIL uses, and it's not as haphazard on all such articles. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 05:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

• Good revert. I rarely give pounds unless precisely known. I personally prefer lbs/kgs for weights up to about 20 tons. After that I think it's easier to think about in tons (metric tonnes, short tons and maybe also long tons). The weight for the T29 is given in pounds in that article because I got it from Hunnicutt, but I think better for the infobox would be "short tons (metric tonnes/long tons)". User:Nick-D, what say you? Schierbecker (talk) 06:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Out of my areas of expertise I'm afraid. Imperial systems of weight are utterly baffling to me, and I always get them wrong when I use them in articles. I'm tempted to recommend using the metric system here as it will be the most comprehensible format to the largest number of readers, but I'm not sure if that's good advice for articles on US World War II era tanks! Regards, Nick-D (talk) 09:19, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

    OK, thanks both. I left it as pounds/t/LT, but above another account (same user?) objected again. So, I changed it to {{convert|141,500|lb|ST+t+LT|disp=out|abbr=off|sp=us}}, which outputs as "70.8 short tons; 64.2 metric tons; 63.2 long tons". Will that work, or is there a better way to do it? BilCat (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for the close, but I don't understand your comment "No super compelling reason has been given to override the uppercased "Western" naming convention common on similar articles"... A very compelling reason was given in the form of evidence that sources don't capitalise "western" in this context, and this was supported by a majority of participants. Our manual of style MOS:CAPS which clearly states that we only treat names as proper names if they are treated as such in sources, and "consistently capitalised in a substantial majority" of such sources. When both the consensus in the discussion and Wikipedia guidelines support a particular title, you can't just override that. The page should be moved to List of spaghetti westerns. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:47, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi User:Amakuru. If during the discussion someone gave a compelling reason why "spaghetti western" should be capitalized differently from other "Western"-style genre pages I would have strongly considered it. This was not argued however. Moving to "List of spaghetti westerns" would have made the article title inconsistent with the parent article, Spaghetti Western. Considering the longstanding status quo on Spaghetti Western, I didn't see a compelling reason argued to override WP:CONSISTENT. If the move request had included the parent article, I would have been more favorable to moving both. I also considered the nominator's apparent strong desire that the RM not touch on the capitalization of Western. Schierbecker (talk) 16:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, and sorry to be blunt, but a majority of participants favoured "List of spaghetti westerns", and the manual of style and common name also favours that. We can consider Spaghetti Western article separately once this one is closed. Therefore for you to close against that consensus is a WP:SUPERVOTE. Furthermore, several participants strongly opposed the option you've chosen and would havw rather retained the status quo than this bizarre half capped half not capped version you've chosen. If you really favour this title for some reason then the correct course of action would be for you to vote for that option yourself rather than closing like this. Also, contrary to your point above, the nominator has no special power to ban other suggestions for better titles than the one the proposed. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Please take this to WP:MR if you must. Regards. Schierbecker (talk) 17:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Schierbecker,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Schierbecker,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

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The Bugle: Issue 212, December 2023

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Nick-D looks at the Russian invasion of Ukraine Op-ed: Nick-D on writing Rhodesian military articles

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I appreciate you listing all Jane's All the World Aircraft books, helps a lot for my niche as an aviation enthusiast! BeeboMan (talk) 01:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

User:BeeboMan Glad someone found it useful. Other than what is listed on my user page, a more complete list is in my sandbox. Schierbecker (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Why thank you! You have a good week now! BeeboMan (talk) 01:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 213, January 2024

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 looks at three diverse works Op-ed: Hawkeye7 on the state of the Wikiproject

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Yehezkel Mizrahi

Hello, my page is just like any other biography. I don't see the reason why it should be deleted. Please explain why that decision was made OctoGreeko (talk) 13:06, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

T template

Hello friend. What's wrong with using the {{t}} template here? –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Novem Linguae, I just found it slightly harder to read with the template linked more than once persection. I'll self-revert if you would like. Schierbecker (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I guess it depends what is being read. The wikicode is harder to read without the {{t}} template. Anyway, as long as you aren't mass changing them in tons of articles, I guess I can live with it :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 and Pickersgill-Cunliffe review four books

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"San Pédro, Côte d'Ivoire" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The Bugle: Issue 215, March 2024

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 and Nick-D look at four recent works

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Citation needed on Boeing E-7 Wedgetail page?

On the Boeing E-7 Wedgetail page, you added a "citation needed" tag to a claim that the E-7 weighs less than the E-3. Do we need a separate cite for that? The E-7 and E-3 pages both list weights for the aircraft. The E-7's listed weights are less than the E-3's. Is that sufficient? I presume (perhaps incorrectly) that there are citations for those values? DaBunny42 (talk) 13:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I concur with Fnlayson, who removed that text from the page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boeing_E-7_Wedgetail&diff=prev&oldid=1213570358]. Schierbecker (talk) 03:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

• Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
• Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
• Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
• Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
• Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
• Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
• Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
• Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
• Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
• Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
• Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
• Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
• Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
• Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
• Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
• Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
• Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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