User talk:Rcej/Archive 3

Glee thanks

Robert, thanks for the help with the new DYK. Your hook suggestions were excellent; I'm glad we came to a meeting of the minds. :-)

Just a heads up that we'll be having a few articles heading into GAN, probably starting tonight. "The Purple Piano Project" will probably be submitted in about an hour, with Dave Karofsky likely coming tomorrow, and "I Am Unicorn" soon thereafter. I've asked Frickative to look for a DYK hook in the Karofsky article; if you end up reviewing it for GAN, could I ask you to see if anything hooks you as a likely hook, and if so to let me know? I really appreciate it. (Still wish I could have gotten "Asian F" ready for Ralph Malph. That was a great hook suggestion.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

How about: " ... that on Glee, closeted gay reformed bully and prom king Dave Karofsky was the beard of a prom queen wannabe? Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:40, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Ooh. That definitely has possibilities. I would never have thought of combining all those facets. Poor Santana, though: reduced to "wannabe". :-) Let me see if I'm inspired further. :-D

BTW, I just threw the GAN switch on "The Purple Piano Project". It's available for the taking on its talk page, though it hasn't yet showed up on the main GAN page. Thought you might want to know... BlueMoonset (talk) 04:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your swift review of TPPP! Wrt the suggested Karofsky hook, I think it might run afoul of the same supplementary rule I hit up against with my last character article nomination: C6: If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. Perhaps something revolving around the role originally having been for one episode & two lines? Something similar would have made a good hook for Mike (one day role -> main cast member), but I can't see that article ever reaching five times its current length. Frickative 15:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I wish the hook rules weren't so sticky ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 01:39, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

What Frickative said about the rapid response: thank you! As for the hook: involve the real world? Yikes. Can it combine the two? Literally? When I smush the two together, I get: " ... that on Glee, Max Adler's one-episode two-line scene as jock bully Dave Karofsky led to the character becoming the nuanced role of a closeted gay ex-bully and bearded prom king?" This is mostly off the top of my head—the transition is clumsy from actor doing character in the first half to the character being described in the second half. I like the "nuanced" (from one of the Reception quotes), and I may be stretching it with "bearded", but is it real-world enough? (I'll keep futzing with the above, but if I'm on the wrong track, just say so.) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:57, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Later: Karofsky and Unicorn should be coming your way this evening if you want 'em (i.e., they'll be added to the GAN queue). As for the DYK hook, I refined it, ran it by Frickative, who thought it seemed real-world enough, and here's where it stands: " ... that Max Adler had no idea his one-episode two-line character for Glee, jock bully Dave Karofsky, would become the nuanced role of a closeted gay ex-bully and bearded prom king?" It's 184 characters, including spaces. I'm hoping to nominate it tonight, if you think it works. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 00:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe a tad shorter: " ... that Max Adler had no idea his one-episode character Dave Karofsky on Glee would become the "nuanced" role of a closeted gay ex-bully and bearded prom king?" Rcej (Robert) – talk 01:39, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll add back "jock" before "character" and go with it. But he'll be up for GAN first, in the next couple of minutes! :-) BlueMoonset (talk)

ETA: Damn, you're quick! Thank you! DYK is up under October 10, and I'm about to submit "I Am Unicorn" for GAN. Is that a hat trick, do you think? ;-) BTW, sorry I forgot to include the name/timestamp earlier! Bad me. At least I can get the name in there now! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:23, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Marrus orthocanna

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK article rename: "Pot o' Gold (Glee)" to "Pot 'O Gold (Glee)"; what to do?

The article page for episode four has just been renamed: Fox has just added it to their pages, and for some odd reason they've rendered the name there as "Pot 'O Gold", which makes no sense in terms of proper use of punctuation, since the apostrophe is there to indicate a missing/omitted letter, in this case the "f" that normally appears after the "O", not before it.

I've just tested, and the old name redirects properly. And, frankly, I think that Fox has made an error, unless they're reproducing a Brittany spelling. But it brings up a bit of a quandary, since the DYK for the episode is currently sitting in Prep area 4 on the DYK queues page. Do we need to change the spelling in the link there, or can we just leave it as is? And if it does need to change, how do we go about it? (And, if Fox corrects themselves, how do we change it again?) Thanks for any help or advice you can give. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

All fixed ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 07:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Those were areas I would never have known to try.

However, Prep area 4 on the queue page still has it wrong. I'm nerving myself up to editing it there, so it's published Sunday with the updated page info. I think I see both places that need changing in there; unless you call me off, I'll take care of it in the morning when I'm more awake, and before it get moved from Prep area 4 into Queue 6. :-) Of course, I'm half expecting the press release next week to have the apostrophe in the correct place rather than where it is now; the question is whether they'll ever correct that page on the Fox site. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, only Admins can edit in there ;) I'll drop Crisco1492 a note. Rcej (Robert) – talk 08:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I rather suspect that's "fortunately", over the long haul. I wonder what Crisco1492 will say when faced with the odd apostrophe placement... ;-) BTW, I did make that change you requested to "I Am Unicorn", in case you want to finish it off. Thanks again for taking it! BlueMoonset (talk) 08:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Fixed! We can edit prep...I misread and thought it was queued ;) Off to the Unicorn races! Rcej (Robert) – talk 09:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! You mean I could have done damage myself? That's a scary thought... ;-) Actually, what's scarier is that I just did: I edited the "Credits" section for the prep area because the links there hadn't yet been changed; they're now both "Pot 'O Gold (Glee)" (though one of the two uses the HTML character spec for the apostrophe). Hope I got it right! (And I really hope that no one takes it into their head to change the article title again before the DYK posts. What a pain! At least Dave Karofsky is unlikely to change!) BlueMoonset (talk) 09:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Please excuse me if I want to start swearing, but the episode name has changed *again*, this time based on the Fox press release at The Futon Critic, although it isn't up yet at the FoxFlash press release site. Anyway, the page is now "Pot of Gold (Glee)", with no apostrophe at all. Yeesh. Unfortunately, since the DYK is due to be released in under nine hours, it's in Queue 6, and will require an administrator to edit it in the queue. Please remind her or him that changes need to be made both in the main section (replacing both instances of "'O" in the piped link with "of"), and also in the Credits section (again twice). If you think I ought, I can also add something to the DYK talk page. If I haven't heard anything back from you by bedtime (which will be earlier tonight!), I'll add it regardless.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: for an authoritative source, Fox is damned careless. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:24, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Let's leave the article and talk at "Pot 'O Gold" until the bot puts the DYK banner on the talk page, then immediately put everything back to Pot of Gold. That actually will be far easier, and we have the redirects in place already ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's not an option. Article and talk have long since been moved; I found out about the fait accompli by checking my watchlist when I got home around an hour and a half ago. And there's no justification for moving them *back*. (The bots have been busily at work; all the redirect pages you created yesterday have already been redirected to the new page name.) So, given that the page is currently "Pot of Gold" and all the redirects point there, what's our next step? I'd frankly prefer to have "Pot of Gold" on the front page, given my druthers: "Pot 'O Gold" looks like it's an error, even if it's one by whoever's in charge of the episode pages at Fox. (The press release orthography at least makes sense, even if it wasn't what Ausiello and Gonzalez were given previously.) Can we get someone to change the queue? I think it's our only option at this point. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

ETA: I see you've opted to rename things back. Please be sure to let User:Jasonbres, who made the change to begin with, know that's what you're doing and why and ask him to hold off reversion until after the DYK is over, or I'll bet you anything it'll go back to the new title before or during the DYK, which would be messy. There were also a whole bunch of changes made to other pages: Glee Season 3 page, the references to the new title (including fixing naked refs), the new "official" episode summary...the whole nine yards. (I'm afraid I felt the need to fix things as quickly as I could, like I did last night after that changed.) However, I'm fading fast, so I'm going to abandon the computer for the night, and—with apologies—leave this to you, since you're far more experienced than I in the ins and outs of DYKs. Thanks for being willing to deal with it and keep it on track for publication in under seven hours. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Fear not ;) The note has arrived! Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Yay! Now I can fall asleep with a clear conscience. (And won't worry about it to keep me awake!) :-) Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 05:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

We survived that one! ;-) It's up there and reads just as it ought. :-) Thanks again for your help.

I have a question on a completely different DYK matter. For "Asian F", the latest expansion started on October 13. I'm currently working on the Critical reception and Music and performances sections, after which I'm going to expand Production with some comments by Jayma Mays on the episode, including the Ralph Malph hook, and then double or treble the length of the introduction. (Ralph will probably also get mentioned in Critical reception, since Canning raved about Most's casting.) The question: we were at 14,462 bytes prior to the initial burst of editing on October 13, and we're at 24,038 now. However, a lot of those initial 14,462 aren't counted, though I don't know how many are. Can you use your magic checker and find out? If we get up to 40-44K on "Asian F" (the latter being the size of "The Purple Piano Project"), will it be enough? I rather expect the answer will be no, but wanted to ask. Ralph's too good not to try for if there's a chance he can squeak by the 5x requirement. :-D BlueMoonset (talk) 17:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, as of today's last edit, DYKcheck is indicating we are still within a 5x expansion that began with the first edit of Oct. 5. Its negative, because we're outside the 5 days; but the expansion window beginning Oct. 13 at 14.6 k will probably need to be around 45k by the 18th. Let's go for it and see! Rcej (Robert) – talk 01:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

So it's basically saying that from 8,227 at the end of Oct. 4 to 30,221 at the end of Oct. 16 is a valid 5x? Does it give an actual number of x, rather than just "greater than 5x"? If you think 45K stands a chance of doing it, I think it's worth the attempt. Finishing the music section got us to 30K (it totaled 10K in and of itself), and I don't doubt the rest of the Critical reception will require another 10K. I think between them the new lede and the Jayma Mays/Ralph Malph info could add another 4-5K. Looks like I'll be busy tomorrow. I may ask you to do another check then to see if it's there, or at least closer. Do you have any way of specifying dates, or getting an actual start total from a random start date, or isn't DYKcheck that flexible?

At the top left corner of the article, it gives the date the article was created, and the character and word count; and if the article was edited since it gives the date of what it considers to be a 5x expansion if it qualifies. Otherwise, you see a pink box with the reason(s) the article is not currently DYK eligible. btw, Yes, if not for the 5 day limit, you could nominate! Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Good to know; thank you. It's clear to me now that I'm not going to make it into DYK range; with two paragraphs to go on the reception and one on the lede, I'm only at 33K; I think I'll end up in the 37K-38K range, 40K tops. Respectable, but insufficient. I also want to mellow out a bit, and not rush this one; there's some interesting jigsaws I need to put together in order to convey the overall tone decently. I also had a big day with the Fox sweeps month introducing more information on the November episodes. That said, the Ralph Malph material I needed is now in Production; Most will probably be mentioned in the reception section as well, since he appeared in a few reviews by name. I should probably have it ready for GAN by the weekend. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Instead of being sensible and saving after the above, I did some primitive checks by copying visible text from my browser into Word. It doesn't make me optimistic, however. I'm seeing 6394 visible characters as the October 11 base, from 14.4K total, and 15K visible where we're at now, almost 2.5x. I don't see how 32K visible is feasible, given that today's added 10K in music was actually 4855 visible characters, which includes footnote numbers (though all the totals do, so it's probably proportional). I think 25K total visible is on the optimistic side... BlueMoonset (talk) 04:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

You want DYKcheck? Its easy to install, and I'll tell you how; but you need to use either the Monobook or Vector skin on Wikipedia. Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I use the default skin (Vector), so I'm good there. I suppose I should get ready, since I'll have to use it if I submit more than two additional DYKs. I'm just beginning to get used to Twinkle, which I enabled this morning along with some other tools available under My Preferences. (I also enabled the ability to edit the lede and infoboxes as a section. I've done it manually before, but this is much more convenient.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

• Here's how: Paste this code-> importScript('User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js'); to User:BlueMoonset/vector.js and save. Then bypass your cache (cntrl+refresh), and you now have a DYKcheck bluelink in your toolbox! Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

It works! Thank you! (PS: You can use it on old versions of a page, too. Basically, "Asian F" is a hair under 3x at the moment, and doesn't stand a chance at another 2x/12.5K in the next 21 hours. Ah well...) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Just noticed that Dave Karofsky has been moved into Prep area 3, which means an appearance on the front page Thursday at 5pm Pacific, 8pm Eastern, and midnight Thurs/Fri UTC. Didn't expect it to be picked so soon, especially with so many others still waiting from earlier days, but I guess it fit the balance just right. At least this time the article is unlikely to be renamed! :-)

BTW, did I ever mention that Fox now has three official versions of the title: "Pot 'O Gold" (with the show's episode summaries), "Pot of Gold" (in the specific episode press release), and now "Pot O' Gold" (in the November sweeps press release). BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, we got 'em beat with redirects ;) I seem to recall them doing that with "Journey to Regionals". Annoying. Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

And a good thing too, regarding the redirects. (They've just added a whole bunch of episode four photos on the Fox Flash site, each of which sports "Pot O' Gold" in its caption. We're starting to approach consensus, especially if you think the 'O version is a careless typo. It could be there'll be another Move in the articles future...

For tonight's fare, I've just nominated "Asian F" to become our sixtieth GA. It's the first time I haven't had Frickative available to review an article before submission, so it may be a tad rougher than usual. Do what you must, if you decide to take it on. And thanks. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Grabbed it! ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:43, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Now I need to stop filling up your talk page. Next time I'll start a new, smaller topic. I promise. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lost River sucker

Thanks from me for this article and hook Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		To Rcej, for the article "Diffuse panbronchiolitis". Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Best wishes. Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

My goodness...thank you! This is quite unexpected! Thx again :-) Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:40, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Peachia quinquecapitata

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

New Glee GAN

I've just nominated "Funeral", probably my last GAN for a while. (Five in a month is plenty, don't you think?) If you're interested, please pick it up at your earliest convenience. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:52, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for taking care of the above GAN. To my surprise, I have another one that I'm planning on sending into the hopper tonight: "A Very Glee Christmas". I still need to do a couple of checks first, which I may or may not finish before you start editing, but I doubt it will take more than an hour or two before I have it ready. Hope you don't mind! (It'll get all set for your special 200th GAN... :-) ) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Merci beaucoups! BlueMoonset (talk) 05:12, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lomatium erythrocarpum

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Calochortus umpquaensis

Thanks from me Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kalmiopsis fragrans

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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DPB

A thought: the history section mentions the first appearance of the disease, and then goes on to say that it was named in 1969. I think it would be beneficial to the readers to have citations to these original papers. I assume the latter is PMID 5783341? There's a few early papers in pubmed (15 that predate the appearance of your earliest source, Homma 1983. It's unfortunate that all of these are in Japanese, which makes it difficult to fill out the history section, but I guess most of the relevant historical details are covered in other reviews. BTW, have you tried a Google book search for "Diffuse panbronchiolitis"? There's a few medical textbooks that allow you to see the pages, maybe if you scoured those you might be able to find a few more details to fill out this section? Sasata (talk) 04:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Thx...hadn't thought of citing the original ;) Checked google books, and the offered pages were clinicals; no real history beyond the '69 mention. Added another sentence gleaned from Homma, though. Rcej (Robert) – talk 07:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Corculum cardissa

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

DPB

Please do not strikethrough my comments. I'll decide when they have been addressed, and I'll strike them through. Thanks. Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I know not to... and apologize! I got carried away ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 02:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Erigeron maguirei

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Castilleja christii

Thanks for this article Victuallers (talk) 12:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Stauroteuthis syrtensis

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Conversions

I note that you think, as in editing Bathykorus bouilloni, that it is more appropriate to use the conversion tag which results in "about 2 cm (0.79 in)" rather than my preference for no conversion tag and the statement "about 2 cm (0.8 in)". In this instance the 2 cm comes direct from the source article and is not liable to change, and I take a view that what results from your conversion, (0.79 in) is silly, - ie that an approximation should not be expanded into a specific, more precise other unit. Any comments? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:45, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

• Easily fixed by specifying the number of decimal places in the convert template like I did here. Nice article! Sasata (talk) 18:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

• OK, I get it. But is using the "convert" facility better than my method, or are they equally good alternatives?. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think one is better than the other, it just comes down to user preference. As the primary author of the article, I don't think anybody could reasonably complain if you removed the template and reverted to your preferred (and equivalent) method. Sasata (talk) 21:03, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

• Cwmhiraeth, absolutely do what you prefer :) I just use the convert templates because I'm disgustingly nitpicky! That's the only reason. Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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Wow! Thx :) I'm glad at how well Sasata and everyone writes fungus articles such as this one... they're a joy to review! Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:56, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Urticina lofotensis

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lactarius rupestris

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mimulus gemmiparus

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Serpula vermicularis

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Opuntia polyacantha

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Branchiostoma lanceolatum

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DYK for Lygodium japonicum

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK question

I posted a question about the wording of the hook at Template:Did you know nominations/Hedysarum alpinum. Sorry if I'm being overly dense; I haven't studied biology since high school and am not that familiar with how to write about it. --Pnm (talk) 15:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, you are partly correct...I was slightly overreaching! Fixed. Thx for reviewing; and do not doubt yourself! You are very capable and have good insight :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:35, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Ha! And thanks. --Pnm (talk) 05:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bathykorus bouilloni

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dalea purpurea

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DYK for Pyrosoma atlanticum

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

New Glee GAN probably tomorrow

Robert, I'd really hoped to get "The First Time ready tonight, but while the material's there, I'm sure it needs a significant edit, and possibly some cutting or restructuring in the Critical reception section. So it's going to have to wait another 24 hours, plus or minus. I'm still hoping it can be finished before the end of November, so the task force can continue its streak of at least one GA a month (started in October 2010), but it's not worth either of us killing ourselves to make it happen. :-)

Just hit Preview prior to sending this, and I see you've just posted on my talk page. About to answer... BlueMoonset (talk) 06:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll keep a look out for the gan! Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Great; thank you! I just edited the talk page; it should show up in about seven minutes. :-) Now back to your comment on the DYK... BlueMoonset (talk) 05:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thought I'd let you know that I can stay up late tonight on the off-chance that you run into a snag on the GAN that requires a fix from me. On the other hand, if you don't think you'll finish it tonight, then there's no point, really: I'd like to have one November GA, but if it isn't going to happen, I can let it wait. Let me know how tonight looks; in the event, I'd try to check every ten to fifteen minutes, if you think you'd be able to send up a flag (maybe on my talk page?) after finding the snag. Thanks for doing the GAN, even if it turns out to be a December one rather than a November one. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Later: power's out here, so I'm going to call it a night and leave it to the fates. (Backup power supplies only last so long...) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

BTW, the DYK for "Extraordinary Merry Christmas" hits the front page in 4.5 hours (7pm ET), and stays for eight hours. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Arctostaphylos rubra

Orlady (talk) 16:22, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Artemisia norvegica

Orlady (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cypripedium passerinum

Orlady (talk) 18:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC) 08:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Branchiostoma lanceolatum

Orlady (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC) 16:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nolina microcarpa

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Any thoughts on DYK for I Kissed a Girl?

IKaG started expanding on November 30, which means if there's a good DYK to be had, it could be worthwhile to try expanding the article by Sunday so it meets the 5x requirement: it was 2814 characters, so it would need to be 14070 characters by then, and it's at 5729 (a hair over 2x) now. "The First Time" ended up at 19010, so it's definitely doable. It is a bit intense, though, as I'd need to finish both Critical reception and Music and performances to get there, since the charting info won't be available until next Wednesday at the earliest, and much of the overseas ratings also won't be posted yet either. At this point, I've only skimmed most of the reviews, and haven't started the big slog of reading them closely, taking notes, and then synthesizing some balanced, NPOV text. I can do it, but it takes time.

I've noticed that there's a Becky Jackson page under preparation out there. Assuming it comes up, there should be a good hook in it, since Lauren Potter was named a couple of weeks ago to the President's Committee for People with Intellectual Disabilities, and that should supply the real world context for the fictional character. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's a few hook ideas:

• ... that "I Kissed a Girl" is the first Glee episode to feature a Dolly Parton song?
• ... that "I Kissed a Girl" and another Glee episode featured a song that was re-titled to remove the F-word?
• ... that the Glee episode "I Kissed a Girl" is titled after the Katy Perry song it features?

And if you're willing, certainly go for any 5x's that you'd like and think have a shot! ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 07:33, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

With regrets, I seem to have run out of steam on the project even before assembling many notes for the expansion phase; haven't even written a single word. It looks like the next DYK will have to be for some other Glee article. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

New article and DYK proposals: I just posted a new Shannon Beiste article, and it's one that cries out for a DYK. I have a long one and a short(er) one to propose:

• ... that the role of Glee football coach Shannon Beiste was created for 15-time world arm wrestling champion Dot-Marie Jones after she ran into show co-creator Brad Falchuk while shopping?
• ... that portraying Glee football coach Shannon Beiste earned 15-time world arm wrestling champion Dot-Marie Jones her first Emmy nomination?
• ... that actress and 15-time world arm wrestling champion Dot-Marie Jones earned her first Emmy nomination portraying football coach Shannon Beiste on Glee?

The first, longer one (188 characters) could be 190 by replacing "while shopping" with "at a supermarket". I suppose "ran into" could be reduced to "saw" to save five characters, though it's less hooky that way.

The real-world connection is the "15-time arm wrestling champion", though the Emmy nom or running into Falchuk at Whole Foods is also real-world. Come to think of it, it's all real-world except for "Glee football coach Shannon Beiste". What do you think? (Oh yeah: do I need a reference for the end of the first paragraph of the lede? Anywhere else? I'm sure I can dig up whatever's needed...) Thanks as always. Either way, this will be my final DYK freebie. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

But she was an established actress when cast; we should put 'actress' too...lol ;) I threw a third hook up there, but go with whichever you prefer. Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! You're absolutely right about that; "actress" should certainly be included. Your new version is basically my second one turned around with that addition. I was under the impression that it's better to have the bold link to the article sooner rather than later, which would give the following revised versions:

• ... that portraying Glee football coach Shannon Beiste earned actress and 15-time world arm wrestling champion Dot-Marie Jones her first Emmy nomination?
• ... that the role of football coach Shannon Beiste was created for actress and 15-time world arm wrestling champion Dot-Marie Jones after she ran into Glee co-creator Brad Falchuk while shopping?

New character totals are 153 and 195 respectively. Do you think the Emmy or the shopping is more "hooky"? Still haven't seen Frickative around; would have loved to get her thoughts as well. I'll probably get the DYK up sometime late Wednesday unless she reappears before then. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The shopping one is the hookiest! ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Great, I appreciate the determination. Hookiest one has been submitted. If there are length problems, I'll use the other as an ALT.

It looks like "Hold on to Sixteen" is going to be eligible; only about 3000 more characters needed for a 5x, even though the overlong Plot section will eventually need major cutting. I'm going to try to get a Music and performances section up by the end of the week. Any thoughts for a hook? One possibility is that the episode title comes from the Mellencamp song "Jack & Diane". Don't know whether the return of Chord Overstreet/Sam Evans should be mentioned or not. Ideas? Thoughts? (There are some bare refs currently; I can arrange to expand them if necessary.) BlueMoonset (talk) 07:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The hook should mention "3 songs from the Jackson family" or "a single of both Janet and Michael Jackson"! :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 10:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. Thanks!

Two DYK things of note today: first, Coach Beiste has been incorporated into Prep area 4 (with a full area 2 and an empty area 3 ahead of it—no, I don't understand why there's a blank 3 before a full 4, and I've given up understanding how they're working the prep areas at this point). The other thing: I did my first DYK review for Template:Did you know nominations/Three Sisters (musical). Can you take a look, and let me know if I need to do anything else? It was initially a reject, as the article was too short, but it was more than doubled in size after I made that note, and it now seems to be fine (and I've given it the OK). But do I need to remove the initial X since I've added the check mark? How about the hook, for which someone has proposed an ALT1: I said both were fine for the article, but do I need to do anything more, or is it someone else's to deal with which one is used from this point on? At any rate, it means that when I finally write up that music section for "Hold On to Sixteen" (the "on" has become "On"; not my doing, but by my reading of the MOS, now that it's been pointed out, it seems to be proper Wikipedia titling), I'll have a review to cite. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I just noticed that it's odder than I thought: area 4, which I'm in, is now missing one of its six entries, but area 1, which is last of the four at the moment, is completely full. Color me completely confused. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks like all I needed was patience. The whole of area 4, with an extra addition, is now in Queue 4, and set to hit the front page in about 18 hours. Shannon Beiste's soon to have her moment in the sun. :-) Hope you have a great weekend. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:09, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I have given up even trying to figure out the prep and queue order ;) You did very well on your first DYK review! Nothing I need to really tell you, though, other than go with what you think is best for that particular review. TTYL :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 07:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Beiste is on the front page, the "Hold On to Sixteen" article now has 5x according to DYKcheck, and I have a first pass at a hook:

• ... that the "Hold On to Sixteen" competition episode of Glee featured songs by Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, and The Jackson 5?

What do you think? It's only 130 characters, but I think that's all we need for this particular approach. (I thought it was effective to list all three, rather than a less hooky "Jackson family"... and I put Michael first for obvious reasons.) BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Very good, but I'd remove "competition", or replace it with "sectionals". Or the least awkward route:

• ... that the Glee episode "Hold On to Sixteen" featured covers of songs by Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, and The Jackson 5? -- Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I went with your final suggestion, which is now submitted under December 7. I thought about trying to get "show-choir competition" in there, but "show-choir" really ought to have been linked, and the best placement was either after another link. So I decided discretion was the better part of valor. Incidentally, I suggested deleting a word from one of your nominated hooks; I'm sure you'll notice it if you haven't done so before reading this. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:33, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Liatris punctata

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DYK for Geocaulon

Thank you from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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Another great contribution to Wikipedia - thanks Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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Another great contribution to Wikipedia - thanks Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hedysarum alpinum

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Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

FAC Diffuse panbronchiolitis spotcheck concerns, please respond

Dear editors, while spotchecking Diffuse panbronchiolitis for FAC I noted a concern with a source appearing not to support its claim, could you please respond at the FAC, as this concern appears to be relatively deep, I'd prefer a response before proceeding to the rest of the spotcheck? Fifelfoo (talk) 00:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lepas anatifera

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Oxytropis sericea

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Mountaineer (train) DYK

I've responded to your comment and would appreciate a swift clarification. Best, Mackensen (talk) 03:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes! lol ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:28, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Solidago missouriensis

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Long time, no Glee GAN

...but I'm just now submitting "Hold On to Sixteen". I think it's ready. You can pick it up if you're interested. I'm hoping to get two more episodes to this stage by the end of the year.

I'll try to put together a DYK for "Yes/No" tomorrow. It's certainly going to include the phrase "most spectacular proposal I've ever seen", but I need to consider all the ramifications. I have two QPQ reviews already completed and unused, so the nom can be considered right away. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Grabbed 16! About your hook; Morrison said it, so its okay to use. Or to shorten, you could go:

• ... that an event in the Glee episode "Yes/No" is said to be the "most spectacular" ever seen? Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:33, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I think it loses a little juice (hookiness?) if it isn't more specific. In fact, given the question that leads into it, how does this look:

• ... that "the most spectacular [marriage] proposal I've ever seen" is being made in an upcoming episode of Glee? (Could be "will be made" rather than "is being made", as below.) Or I could unbold/unlink the quote:
• ... that "the most spectacular [marriage] proposal I've ever seen" will be made in the upcoming "Yes/No" episode of Glee?

Oh, and thanks for the grab! Hope you find 16 sweet. ;-) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for the fast work on the GAN. Can you believe it's my fifteenth GA already? I didn't even start that kind of article work until August. Oh, and DYK number seven was submitted a little while ago, with the hook proposals just above. No idea if it will still be unreviewed by the time you get on line tonight, but thought I'd let you know I did indeed get it written up while it was still eligible. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

As an FYI, the "Yes/No" DYK will be appearing in under 90 minutes. It has been modified slightly since it went to the prep area when that was sent to Queue 2 (the quote is now attributed to Matthew Morrison); discussion was here. Thanks again for the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bouteloua barbata

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Arundinaria gigantea

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Calamovilfa longifolia

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations and well done

Well overdue [1] Best wishes, Graham. Graham Colm (talk) 21:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

My congratulations and thanks to you (Rcej) for writing this excellent article. Was this really your first FAC? You took the criticism very well indeed. Regarding your suggestion about removal of the picture, that would be fine, although it isn't the best solution. Axl ¤ [Talk] 22:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, not bad for a 1st-timer. Of course, we expect you to do another post-haste, to prove the first wasn't a fluke :-) Sasata (talk) 23:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Bravo, Robert! Very glad to see that you now have an FA to your credit. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks y'all! Yes, my first... but it will be awhile before I can do the FA tango again. Spring semester begins soon, and I'll be up to the eyeballs busy this session...lol ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:34, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

• My congrats as well. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Danthonia spicata

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Emaciation

Having noticed that you do good work with medical subjects, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take up emaciation. The article is a complete mess; 860 characters for such an important symptom / complication. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I can try after the holidays are over. Sure thing! ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 10:23, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

• Cools. Wish I could help, but it's... a little out of my area of expertise. It's a shame how poor some of our important articles are. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:37, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Diffuse panbronchiolitis

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Diffuse panbronchiolitis. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elymus lanceolatus

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Psilocybe yungensis

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	In recognition of his effort at Diffuse panbronchiolitis, I hereby award user Rcej The Writers' Barnstar. Keep up the good work. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 04:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eragrostis curvula

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eragrostis lehmanniana

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Porites lobata

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Two for the price of one

There are now two Glee GANs sitting in the queue:

• Mash Off, submitted late on December 27 by DAP388
• Extraordinary Merry Christmas, just submitted by your humble servant

I mention this just in case you might happen to be interested in either or both. ;-) Thanks, as always, for all the reviewing you do. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Grabbed 'em! BTW, ending with the Christmas episode, are these the entirity of the Season 3, Vol. 1 DVD episodes? Rcej (Robert) – talk 09:14, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Hope it's a fun way to close out the year. :-)

Nothing's been announced yet regarding the season 3 DVDs. They could do the front 9, but if they want to split it up, doing the first 11 so that the Michael Jackson episode is included might be the way to go. Or holding it for the first 12 in order to also fit on Ricky Martin. Either way, a release in late February or early March would help keep up the momentum while the show's on hiatus for all of March and some of April... but that's marketing, and who knows what goes on in the minds of marketers! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick work on both of the GANs. The Glee task force now has 66 GAs in its article collection, not a bad way to end 2011. And I expect to get one more episode article ready for a GAN tomorrow or Sunday. After that, it should be short work to get a character article up to the GAN line, and then a bit of a wait for the next article. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:19, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

As threatened promised, just after the Wikipedian New Year, I've GANned (is that word?) "I Kissed a Girl". Nothing like starting the way I mean to go on. :-) If you want it, it's there for the taking. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:06, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Artemisia filifolia

The DYK project (nominate) 20:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hesperostipa spartea

Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Nicely done!

Hello, Rcej. Happy New Year! You have enough noms to get the nom medals. Pls be reminded to get yourself on Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of DYKs. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 05:46, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thx for the info. I wasn't aware of that page nor medals! ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 07:07, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Juncus roemerianus

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Aquamarina

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Keissleriella rara

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Massarina carolinensis

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Paraphaeosphaeria pilleata

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Millepora alcicornis

Hello! Your submission of Millepora alcicornis at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Albacore (talk) 01:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Artemisia frigida

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Stephanolepis cirrhifer

Very good, I liked the image too!

Are you the Bobby Edwards who created the stub for Stephanolepis cirrhifer? If so, there is no need to go for the 5x expansion you mentioned on my talk page. There is a problem at the moment with the maximum size of your fish. You make two contradictory statements in the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes... that's me. Contradictory where? :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The statement Threadsail filefish grow to a maximum adult length of about 30 centimeters (12 inches), with their maximum size being some 200 millimetres (7.9 inches). seems contradictory to me.

There is another questionable statement: The fish migrate wholly in ocean waters ("oceanodromous") between their feeding and spawning grounds, which can cover an area of over 100 kilometres (62 miles). Areas are measured in square units, or did you mean the length of the route they covered? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

How is it now? Rcej (Robert) – talk 08:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

That's better! :} Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

For your information, I have put my name down for the Wikipedia:WikiCup. As the only points I am likely to get will be from DYK, I will be nominating all my better new articles. Even though I don't really approve of hogging it at DYK, I can see there are other editors who nominate their own efforts repeatedly. If you write some more articles, you could take part in the Cup too. There are other cute fish with no articles about them. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thx for the heads up... if I had time, I would, but I don't...lol. Much luck to you, though! ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Atriplex gardneri

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