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Please read the edit summaries left by other editors and make sure you have addressed any issues before you revert changes. You could also leave edit summaries yourself to assist other editors in tracking changes to an article. The section I removed at The Canadian Bureau for the Advancement of Music is copied almost word-for-word from http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canadian-bureau-for-the-advancement-of-music-emc/ which has claimed copyright and should be removed. You can't simply add a source to copyrighted material and put it back. Thanks Flat Out let's discuss it 02:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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Adding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award

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The result was merge to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. J04n(talk page) 12:47, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Sandy Hawley Community Service Award

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This award does not satisfy WP:GNG in that there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources. The current sourcing is not independent, as it is from the organization that grants the award. The article also appears to raise Wikipedia:Conflict of interest problems. Most of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame-related articles were created by User:Rajeevanm, an editor whose edits since 2014 relate principally to the OSHOF. Interestingly, the user name is very close to the name of the OSHOF's director of marketing and board member. See here and here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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@Cbl62: Hi Cbl62, I apologize for the late reply to your comment as I'm just learning how to use the "talk" section on Wikipedia. Although you may believe there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources to warrant the Sandy Hawley Community Service Award article, I would recommend checking these sources: Toronto Maple Leafs [1], Toronto Sun [2], Ottawa Redblacks [3] to start as the articles were written in 2013, 2015, 2016 respectively. I agree with you that there is not much coverage from independent sources but I believe there is sufficient mention of the award to meet WP:GNG standards. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The sources you mention may constitute significant coverage of the OSHOF, but they do not constitute significant coverage of the Hawley Award. The references given merely contain passing reference to the Hawley Award. Such passing references are insufficient under GNG to support a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@Cbl62: With regards to your concern that there is a conflict of interest. Allow me to provide some background on the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. The OSHOF is a volunteer, non-profit organization that is dedicated to preserving the history and feats of athletes within our province for the future generations. We don't have a charitable status nor do we receive any funding from the government at any level. All Board of Directors and committee members are volunteers. We don't receive any compensation and often times we pay out of pocket to manage small expenses. In fact, to preserve and honour what we set out to achieve, all volunteers (including me) pay for the tickets to our own events. As the director of marketing, it's my role to educate and embrace the younger people of Ontario on the achievements of our athletes - this often involves engaging audiences online (social media, wikipedia, and more). I can assure you this is a legitimate organization that has been operating since 1995 (I was born in 1990 so it's almost a lifetime lol). Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The issue is not whether or not OSHOF is a legitimate organization. The issue is your conflict as OSHOF marketing director in editing articles concerning OSHOF. You need to familiarize yourself with WP:COI and its disclosure obligations. Cbl62 (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Merge, probably to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame (OSHOF) or to a new section in it. The award is a program of OSHOF. The current award article and the current OSHOF article are both short. If OSHOF is worth covering, and if the award is an important program of it, then it can be mentioned there. A redirect from the award to the organization can be left behind.

About COI, the Wikipedia policy/guideline at wp:COI used to be explicit in saying that a person with COI can edit, although they should be responsible, and they should defer to non-involved editors in the event of any conflict over content (e.g. they could make suggestions for article changes at the Talk page, but leave the implementation to others). In my view, COI problems are much less when the organization is nonprofit and the editor(s) are volunteers. Cbl62 and me are volunteers here, by the way. But still you have to understand that Wikipedia does have to have policy/guidelines about COI because wikipedia is otherwise over-run by COI editors, including paid editors (not the case here). --doncram 20:39, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Adding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Williams Media Award

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The result was redirect to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. T. Canens (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Brian Williams Media Award

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This award does not satisfy WP:GNG in that there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources. The current sourcing is not independent, as it is from the organization that grants the award. The article also appears to raise Wikipedia:Conflict of interest problems. Most of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame-related articles were created by User:Rajeevanm, an editor whose edits since 2014 relate principally to the OSHOF. Interestingly, the user name is very close to the name of the OSHOF's director of marketing. See here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame I Checked by searching awardee in a random year, and it does gets press coverage. Ottawa Citizen [4] The Hamilton Spectator [5]. Just not much coverage. I think redirect to the short page of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

These are merely passing references in broader articles about the OSHOF. Not enough to warrant a stand-alone article under WP:GNG. That said, no objection to redirect. Cbl62 (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Specifically, media mention tend to be a sentence in an article about an individual winner of an OSHOF prize, or in an article about who won that year's prize. Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto are major cities, so it adds up to quite a lot of big-city daily coverage, although the award is only 3 years old.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@E.M.Gregory: Hi E.M.Gregory, thanks for your comment. I apologize for the late reply since I'm still learning how to use the "talk" feature. I've added several independent sources to the article, check here: Toronto Star [6], Toronto Sun [7], ArgoAdmirals [8], Toronto Star [9], The Hamilton Spectator [10], Ottawa Citizen Sports Hall of Fame. The award recipients are high-profile members of sports media in Ontario, Canada. I believe there is enough to warrant a stand-alone article under WP:GNG. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks! Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The sources you mention may constitute significant coverage of the OSHOF, but they do not constitute significant coverage of the Hawley Award. The references given merely contain passing reference to the Hawley Award. Such passing references are insufficient under GNG to support a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

In fact, the sources brought by User:Rajeevanm show that this journalism prize award, the Brian Williams Media Award ( Hawley is something else) is covered extensively in major media when awarded. It is =, in other words, a real if m=minor journalisam prize. Changing my !Vote to Keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@E.M.Gregory: Can you specify which of these articles you believe constitutes "significant" coverage of the Hamilton Award as opposed to a passing reference? Cbl62 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

These newspapers validate this award by covering it. I don't think that in this it is different from other journalism awards, and certainly seems similar to the Casey Award, and others in the category:Sports writing awards, which I just added to the article.E.M.Gregory (talk)

The standard under WP:GNG is that there needs to be "significant" coverage to warrant a stand-alone article. The sources mentioned amount to passing reference in broader discussion of the OSHOF, not "significant" coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

• When a major institution gives a journalism prize, and major newspapers cover it, that's notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

• Two points: 1) OSHOF is hardly a "major" institution, it doesn't even have a full-time staff or building; and 2) it's not notable unless it gets significant coverage, not just passing mentions. Cbl62 (talk) 03:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Merge, to the OSHOF article or more specifically to a new section within it. The award information is short and can easily be included in the OSHOF article, if this is a significant program of the OSHOF. I "voted" at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award the same way. --doncram 20:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Note: The related Afd, Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award was closed as merge into Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. --J04n(talk page) 12:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
• Redirect as this is best connected to that, there's nothing to suggest it can currently be improved as its own article. If needed, any contents can be merged when needed. SwisterTwister talk 00:28, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
• Redirect to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. This is a valid search target, but is not notable enough to have it's own article. On the other hand, Ontario Sports Hall of Fame is quite a short article. Mentioning this over there would keep all the information in the same article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 02:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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@Lemongirl942: Hi Lemongirl1942, I apologize for the late reply as I'm just now understanding how to use the talk page! I hope I'm doing this right. A little background on the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame - we are a volunteer, non-profit organization that is dedicated to preserving the feats of athletes within our province. We don't assume charitable status nor do we receive any funding from the government at any level. All Board of Directors and committee members are volunteers. There is no compensation, in fact all volunteers (including me) pay for the tickets to our own events. As the director of marketing, it's my role to educate and embrace the younger people of Ontario on the achievements of our athletes - this often involves engaging audiences online (social media, wikipedia, and more). I can assure you this is a legitimate organization that has been operating since 1995 (I was born in 1990 so it's almost a lifetime for me lol). I have only been with the organization for less than 2 years and would consider my viewpoint neutral. We have inducted over 120 high profile athletes and sports icons. My intention was to create the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame page and preserve the authenticity and history of it over the years. If there is anything that I may have included which is unauthentic or untrue, I would gladly remove it. One instance of this was removing a line that I originally included that stated that the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame was currently developing plans to create a building with the support of MLSE. Once the development plans were delayed, I immediately removed the line from the wikipedia article. I'm learning as I go on Wikipedia, so please advise if there's any additional steps or changes I should make to address the concerns you may have. Rajeevanm (talk) 05:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

You have now confirmed that you are the marketing director for OSHOF. Accordingly, and per Lemongirl's note above, "we ask that you please avoid editing or creating articles related to your organization [OSHOF]; instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s)." Please confirm that you understand and will refrain from editing articles related to OSHOF. Cbl62 (talk) 05:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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