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Kindly ...

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   Kindly review your reversion in light of your of course forgivably rushed parsing of my syntax. I'd be pleased to consider your second thots, instead of just templating you with something like WP:Look before you leap.
--Jerzy•t 06:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

geany syntax highlighting for MediaWiki Markup

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geany uses Scintilla lexers for syntax highlighting . Will your MediaWiki Markup plugin (mediawiki lang npp) work for geany ?

also :

69.181.23.220 (talk) 20:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikibreak?

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Hey, where did you get to? I miss you. Wikibreak? Bishonen | talk 15:53, 14 April 2018 (UTC).

Hello?

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A simple "hi" would suffice. Please? Atsme📞📧 22:45, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Atsme: Hi. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
THANK YOU...whew!! I was getting worried. Feel much better now.   Atsme📞📧 03:23, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jessica Valenti

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Pizzagate GA nomination

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I'm going to nominate the article for GA. Seeing as you've put work into the article before, I'm informing you of this.💸Money💸emoji💸💴 15:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Racism redux

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A recent revival of the "how racist is Donald Trump?" discussion has reminded me of your eternal words: Jesus fucking christ, you people can bring this to ANI if you want, but I'm a fucking liberal who hates Trump and I agree with motherfucking Breitbart right now that you fuckers are bending over backwards to push you POV into this article instead of making even the slightest good faith effort to be an encyclopedia.[1] You may wish to visit Talk:Donald Trump for a laugh. One editor even has a soul connection to Trump: We don't need to get inside Trump's head to know his true soul.[2]   — JFG talk 11:16, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

  • He's a soul man, nananana nananana.... Only in death does duty end (talk) 20:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @JFG: I'm sorry to disappoint, but that laughably naive sentiment was expressed in support of a rock-solid position: If a source says "birtherism is a dog-whistle for racism" and then says "Trump was a birther", then both statements "birtherism is racism" and "Trump is racist" are inescapable conclusions of the article, and perfectly valid summations of it's statements. Birtherism cannot be a dog-whistle for racism without being a form of racism itself, and one cannot hold racist views without being a racist, seeing as how "racist" is a person with racist views.
Pretending that inescapable logic doesn't exist in order to undermine a point of view because that POV is occasionally held by POV pushers is no better than -and possibly worse than- straightforward POV pushing.
In other words: the existence of anti-Trump POV pushing invalidates neither the existence of pro-Trump POV pushing, nor (necessarily) the legitimacy of any anti-Trump content. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Ah. The same Mr. Pants. OK then. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 23:42, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Thor's hammer in action. Damn I wish I had said that. O3000 (talk) 00:07, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of company registers

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Personal favor

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Hi! I would like to ask you, along a couple of the editors I know, for a personal favor. I choose you because every time I see something that you have edited I have been impressed with the quality.

What I would like you to do is to help expand our article on Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market. This topic is something that Jimbo has been pushing on his talk page,[3] and there may (or may not) be a SOPA-style blackout of Wikipedia to try to influence the EU legislators.[4]

As a personal favor to me, could you please help with this article? I am offering double the normal pay... --Guy Macon (talk) 01:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: I'm not sure someone as abrasive and mostly absent from WP is really the best to help with that. On the other hand, given the potential political involvement of WP, maybe a little distance between editors and the project is called for. But even so, I was completely unaware of the directive until just now, so I would, at the very least, take some time to get up to speed. Regardless, I'll take a look at it, maybe do some googling tomorrow or during the week. No promises, though. Sorry. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 04:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Blocked infinitely

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Founder of Western Civilzation

  

Nom de plume: MjolnirPants
Real name: Friedrich Nietzsche
The good: Responsible for Bacon, The Original trilogy and Hamburgers.
The bad: Responsible for those damn The Real Housewives of... and Kardashians series, the Star Wars Holiday Special, Nickleback, Comcast, NASCAR, and Scientology.
Verdict: Infinite banning, followed by death by mob justice.

  Thank you for taking responsibility but all the good work you've done cannot cancel out the bad. I've therefore blocked you for infinity. This block may be controversial but once everyone realizes you're responsible for those damn The Real Housewives of... and Kardashians series, I'm sure it'll be unanimously upheld. --NeilN talk to me 18:24, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

No excuses. This was a good block. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:26, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
You closed that just in time. ScepticismOfPopularisation had just about convinced me – that Nietzsche was the founder of Western civilization. O3000 (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
@NeilN:I won't appeal, but you should really block Objective3000 for outing me. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Don't be upset, whistle britches - some of us have outies and some have innies...and we ❤️ you just the same. Atsme📞📧 19:02, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding a community ban (and possible off-site mob justice) in response to you creating western civilization. The thread is MjolnirPants responsible for the Star Wars Holiday Special, Nickleback, Comcast, NASCAR, and Scientology. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

  Wait, wait - he just got back - he hasn't had time to do anything that could get him blocked into infinity...besides, there is no such thing as infinity beyond the infinite belief of it - just ask Captain Kirk. Infinity is the point at which scientists and mathematicians simply got tired of thinking. Atsme📞📧 18:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I'm concerned as to what flavour of infinity is being imposed with this block. If the block extends both into the past as well as the future then there's a causal paradox that means joints will not be smoked and Western Civilisation would not have been founded. Unless of course we ask Jesus to kickstart things. nagualdesign 18:42, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Sure, why not, if Christians actually followed His teachings, history sure would have gone differently. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Or infoboxes! *shakes head* nagualdesign 21:43, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Hitler never existed. Find one person that knew him in school or had his house wallpapered by him. Fake new. Fake news. O3000 (talk) 20:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
It was the Democrats who invented Hitler, anyways. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:04, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I have met someone who met Hitler in the 30's. They have been dead for 20 years though, so I cant get them to verify.... Only in death does duty end (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, I’ve reviewed your new image and caption. But you’re too modest: You should include more of your accomplishments in the realm of Western civilization:

  1. I realize you invented the Gutenberg press, to give people paper cuts.
  2. I know you invented the Internet, in order to SPAM credit card offers.
  3. I know you invented dogs, so folks would enjoy the pleasure of stepping in dog poo.(chewing gum too).
  4. Telephones so you can be put on hold
  5. You invented toes so people could stub them.
  6. Scotch tape and toilet paper where you can’t find the end.
  7. Gas, so you could run out of it in the middle of nowhere and enjoy new discoveries.
  8. Large hats so spectators in back of you could enjoy them.
  9. Ppl who use txt 2 spk on d net
  10. You invented doors for encyclopedia salesmen.[5]
  11. Editors that show up on your talk page to post silly nonsense. O3000 (talk) 00:43, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
You know, it's true what they say: There's no such thing as a non-controversial infobox. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
You're responsible for infoboxes (and thus the infobox wars), too. Oh man, I should just take away talk page access and be done with it. --NeilN talk to me 13:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Probably a good idea. I mean, let's not forget Gamergate, imperial units, mansplaining and those little tabs on top of soda cans that always pull out your mustache hairs one at a time when you drink from them. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Did someone mention infoboxes? Atsme📞📧 21:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)§
We're giving away free infoboxes! You get an infobox, you get an infobox, everybody gets a free infobox!!! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 01:39, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, if you’d like to add an image of the originator of dangerous boxes, we have one of Pandora: [6]. O3000 (talk) 02:04, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I always thought that was Khorne the Blood God, Lord of Skulls, the Chaos God of Blood, War and Murder. They certainly seem right up his alley, anyways. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:48, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

File:Platinum goddess.png

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Thank you! You'd think you were working from a photo! With some pathos, though, Darwinbish thinks it's a faithful portrait of her. Sad! Bishonen | talk 19:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC).

[With hope, and pathos: ] Is faithful portrait of Bishzilla? bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 19:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC).
Oh yes. It was difficult to get a good eye on you from inside your pocket, but I did it. I actually made the silhouette in Microstation, in case you find that fact as amusing as I do (though I did most of the work in GIMP. The waist is exactly 1.487 survey feet across (about 25% larger than life size), and the overall figure is exactly 9.6657 feet tall, not including the halo. Closer to comic book proportions than real life proportions, but still an accurate representation of 'Zilla's sexy curves. I've been brainstorming a grand warlock in Photoshop at home, but nothing that looks workable, yet. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 01:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Looking at the image, me thinks a Photoshop razor may be in order...Atsme📞📧 21:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
What can I say? I always had a thing for hippies. I even married one. ;) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 01:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Snopes.com

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Hello, regarding your Snopes.com article revision, could you provide a little more detail as to why you reverted? I'd like to know how to improve as an editor.ChrisD Strummer (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@ChrisD Strummer: No problem. I made two comments, first that your edit "broke the article" and second that it "looked POV", so let me address those in order.
  • Broke the article:
    • You moved (while rewriting) information from the body to the lede. Specifically, the following original passage:
      As of December 2017, Snopes.com's web traffic rank in the world stood at 3,798 with approximately 72% originating from the U.S. with web traffic declining from previous months.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.similarweb.com/website/snopes.com|title=snopes.com Traffic Statistics|website=SimilarWeb|language=en|access-date=2018-01-29}}</ref>
      ...was deleted and the following new passage:
      As of 2017, the number unique American users Snopes drew reached as high as 12.4 million and another 3.7 million around the world.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4819108|title=Snopes.com: Debunking Myths in Cyberspace]|date=August 27, 2005|accessdate=August 27, 2005|publisher=[[NPR]]}}</ref>
      ...was added to the lede (with the ref used being pulled from higher in the lede).
      Per WP:LEDE this is not how the lede should work. The lede (the part above the first section title) is intended to summarize the body of the article. It should never contain information that is not found in the body. As a further, minor note, claims in the lede usually do not require sourcing, although in this article it's expected (I'll explain in a bit).
  • Looked POV:
    • You changed the wording in the lede from It has also been seen as a source for validating and debunking urban legends and similar stories... to It has also been seen as a source for weighing in on matters including politics, urban legends, American popular culture technology and health. That looks like (notice that I'm not saying it is) an attempt to undermine their credibility; the source supports the claim that they validate and debunk urban legends and popular memes, but doesn't really support the claim that they "weigh in" on American pop culture, technology and health[7]. The latter statement would be better applicable to a blogger, who frequently opines on those subjects. Snopes is more focused, taking urban legends and doing their best to either confirm or debunk them. They rarely (if ever) offer any opinions or views, point out facts or logic that aren't obvious or really do anything else generally associated with "weighing in".
    • The movement of the funding section to a subsection of History looks like an attempt to draw attention to it. This is a frequent tactic of those attempting to blackwash this article.
Now, the reason I keep saying it "looks like" a POV push is that your editing history looks exactly like an editor trying to get into editing an encyclopedia, as opposed to an editor attempting to "fix" Wikipedia by "correcting" it's POV. So I have no doubt that you meant your changes to improve the article. But it's a problem with this article because this is a particularly controversial article. Some people may not know this, but snopes.com is -like many fact-checking sites but to a much greater extent- frequently maligned in right-wing political circles, and the subject of numerous conspiracy theories. It is an article that bears very close scrutiny by dedicated editors, because it attracts many editors who are there to push a political agenda. It also frequently requires that we source statements in the lede, so your use of references in the lede was on point.
So my revert was based partially upon the circumstances of the article, and not entirely upon the qualities of your edit. If you want to make a case as to why you think I might be wrong about something I said above, I am fully prepared to hear it and consider your argument. Or, if you're satisfied with my explanation, then I wish you happy editing. :) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
^ The exact quote from the source is: The most widely known resource for validating or debunking rumors, myths, hoaxes and urban legends in popular American culture is the Web site run by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson at www.snopes.com, also called the "Urban Legend Reference Page".

Serious question

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Regarding this statement here: "You are not the only editor I think should get the hell out of AmPol, and I don't think you're entirely to blame for why you should get out." and your entire statement to admins here, please help me understand how your support for sanctions against Atsme are not a betrayal when you claim to want the atmosphere at political articles to improve when you've not named anyone but her as being the problem. Not to mention the fact you didn't mention a WP:BOOMERANG for the filer, who is one of the worst offenders at the AMPOL articles. I guess I would take your disclaimer more seriously if you had done that. And I'm 100% serious about wanting to better understand your comments/statements and how they are going to help anything in a general sense, because at this point, I really don't. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 22:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree that you don't understand my comment, else you'd not have quoted me essentially saying the opposite of what you just accused me of saying. Why don't you try asking again, only without the bullshit accusations of bad faith, kay? If you can't suck up enough pride to actually humor me by asking again, then it's obviously not so important to you that it actually needs an explanation. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:09, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Dude, please take my question in good faith, because that's how it was intended. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to understand. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 23:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
You were "trying to understand" by casting aspersions on MrX and questioning my stated intentions intentions. That reads more like the other thing you mentioned.
You're lucky I'm such a sucker for a chance to expound on something I said, so fine.
The only reason I mentioned Atsme by name is because she was already mentioned by name. I could name half a dozen other names, but I'm not about to spend weeks of my time digging up hundreds of diffs to show that they're POV warriors when it comes to politics who should be topic banned. So the reason I didn't mention anyone else is because I'm not a fucking hypocrite: I tell people not to whine and bitch about shit that's not worth taking to the drama boards, so I don't whine and bitch about shit that's not worth taking to the drama boards.
As for my "support for sanctions against Atsme", that was conditional entirely upon her ignoring my advice, and is pretty much exactly what I plan to ask for for myself if I find I'm getting back into AmPol.
As for why I didn't request a boomerang? Because read above: I'm not a fucking hypocrite. Maybe MrX needs to get the fuck out of politics too: I don't think that I would agree with that (There are far worse editors still in AmPol), but I'm sure as hell not about to spend a week digging up diffs to figure it out and then spend another week make a case for it at AE. If you think it should be done, get off your ass and do it yourself; don't try to guilt trip me into doing it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Please know I'm not trying to guilt trip you into anything. That's not something I do or attempt with others. When I have something to say, I say it. No reading between the lines necessary with me. Aside from that, thanks for taking the time to answer my question(s) and further explain. Colorful as it was. ;-) -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Ladies and Gentlemen: I present the single dumbest and most clueless comment ever left on my talk page

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Since I think this is closer to a trout than a whine I'm posting this despite the large stop signs. I think you should consider striking the comment (and I'm sure, devastatingly beautiful) as a non-sequitur and frankly inappropriate comment. How Atsme looks should have no bearing on how her Wikipedia efforts are judged and the attempt to include it as a complement degrades the quality of the other nice things you say about her. A women's looks shouldn't matter in anyway in this context and thus shouldn't be commented on, speculatively or otherwise. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I respect a good title. O3000 (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
A women (?) walks into a bar and orders a drink. Out of the corner of her ear she hears, "You're devastatingly beautiful." She turns around but no one's there! The bar is completely empty except for her and the barkeep. So she asks, "Did you hear that?" The barkeep points to a small bowl on the end of the bar and says, "It's the peanuts. They're complimentary." nagualdesign 20:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
That certainly fits with the common opinion that I'm part of the peanut gallery. Hell, it's just as common a belief that I am the peanut gallery. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:04, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Life's too short

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I hadn't noticed your recent hiatus from Wikipedia until you mentioned it somewhere. Looking at your contributions (creepy, right?) it seems that you were off-Wiki for roughly the same period that I was. I had a friend with terminal brain cancer and spent a month helping out with his palliative care as best I could, and it's taken some effort to get back into regular editing. It puts a lot of things into perspective watching a friend slip away. The bullshit and nonsense that people create or concern themselves with seems doubly pathetic. I guess that the reason I'm posting this is because I really respect the integrity that you demonstrate, and wanted to let you know that your efforts aren't just appreciated, they're absolutely essential to redress the balance. Honestly, I don't know where you find the patience sometimes, but if it's ever in short supply just remember that life's too short. (For anyone else reading this, that applies to you too! Either give your head a wobble from time to time or allow me to give you a friendly, therapeutic, proverbial slap around the chops.) Sincerely, nagualdesign 22:20, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate it, and I'm very sorry to hear about your friend. I've lost a few friends myself, though none to cancer (yet), so I can sympathize to a degree. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:InfoWars

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Nightwish

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I'm going to assume you're familiar with the Finnish symphonic metal band Nightwish. Do you like them? -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Nope, can't stand em! But I'm just tickled pink to know that at least you know who they are. I'm really more of an Arch Enemy circa Gossow type. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:45, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Full disclosure: I am an actual and old-school metal fan, so unless I explicitly state otherwise, it is safe to assume that anything I say about any metal band, good or bad, is insanely hyperbolic and should not be taken at face value. In this case "can't stand them" means "I wouldn't complain one bit if you put them on at high volume in a car in which we were both travelling, but after the first album ended I would insist on listening to a different band." ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Love it! I can't say I've ever been a die hard heavy metal fan, just a sixties rock'n roll guy. Led Zeppelin, Pretty Maids, Metallica, etc. Lars Ulrich is Danish, so he's okay with me. He was young when I first moved there. BTW, what's the story behind the two usernames, MjolnirPants and MPants at work? -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 05:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Replied via email re usernames. As for music, I'm not exclusively a fan of metal. I've been a musician (piano, guitar, violin, viola, bass guitar, contra bass, sax and a few others) for several decades, so my tastes run wide. But metal was something I discovered entirely on my own, and introduced to my friends when I was younger, so it will always hold a special place in my heart. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 05:53, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Awesome, I'm also a multi-instrumentist. In the last decade I mostly specialized on guitar though (although I was playing guitar less virtuosely when younger). But then again I collected a number of guitar styles so variety is present... As for metal, I can appreciate very well produced albums such as Cathedral's Forest of Equilibrium, Alice in Chain's Dirt, etc. I tend to rarely play my own metal compositions these days. As for Led Zeppelin, that's classic rock to me.  I like select music from every genre. —PaleoNeonate – 06:33, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Damn good stuff there, though AiC isn't metal, but Grunge.  Which I also love because I was a teen when it first appeared. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Nightwish is no longer Nightwish without Tarja. O3000 (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Amen! -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 15:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, the below list is dark. I won't add this to your list, but I get a kick when hard bands switch genre. Here’s a cut where early metal guitarist Lars Johan Yngve Lannerbäck AKA Yngwie J. Malmsteen starts with an acoustic version of Air on the G-string based on Bach (missing notes here and there), and then switches guitars 4.5 minutes in and lets loose. I just enjoy the contrast.[8]. O3000 (talk) 01:36, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

OK, I’m going off track here. But, saw your mention of folk in your edit summary. Most Simon and Garfunkel fans (of which I’m one) would be appalled by metal band Disturbed’s version of The Sound of Silence. But, they may have never thought about the darkness hidden under the harmony in so many of their songs: suicide, isolation, purposelessness, war. (Even the sweet sounding Scarborough Fair has the anti-war song Canticle in the background.) Disturbed simply exposed some of the darkness. [9] O3000 (talk) 14:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
(This is a user talk page, Off track is fine.)
Well, I was referring to traditional folk (sometimes called ethnic or world music), which is generally defined as music that arose within a particular culture in isolation from other cultures, in a pre-modern setting. Meanwhile, S&G is contemporary folk music, which is generally definable as folk music (itself defined by contrast to formal or classical music) from a contemporary time period, or as music that arose from the Folk revival in the 1960's US. It's a much looser definition, even though it has an easily identifiable sound in the modern Western world (John Denver, S&G, etc.). Even with ethnic flair (Israel Kamakawiwoʻole anyone?), it's still part of a single genre. Compare that to traditional folk music, which ranges from Tuvan throat singing to Scottish jigs to Meso-American ballads, and that's just the form of traditional folk that incorporates modern instrumentation and song structure! It could, quite rightly, be divided into a different genre for each ethnicity it draws from, and then additional genres.
So how does any of that relate to metal? Well, I'm glad I asked. Metal is and always has been about defiance. Politically, defiance is often associated with ethnic traditions and even nationalism. As a result, just like with political groups defined by defiance, it frequently looks to the past for inspiration and ways to define itself. Hence you get genres like African Metal, Brazilian Metal, Japanese (Folk) Metal* and perhaps most famously, Viking Metal. These groups are all not only influenced by the same traditions and cultures as the traditional folk musician, but share the same categorical structure; they're all part of an identifiable genre that could rightfully be split upon ethnic lines.
But then, with things like the cover you provided (which was cool; I'd never heard it before), what we have is a reflection of modern society. The influence of western culture is all over it, from the structure and melodies (part of the original song) to the neoclassical/symphonic instrumentation. It's certainly folk (even the neoclassical instrumentation is done in a way that's clearly a folk appropriation of classical instrumentation), and it's by a metal band. But I don't think it's actually metal. It's reflective of modern society, modern musical norms and -like any cover song- it's a sort of virtue signal that Disturbed is a S&G fan. It's a rock song. While Rock and metal are certainly related, they're related in the same way that a Satanist and his Catholic father are; neither one really wants to admit it, though the elder will sometimes try to appropriate some aspects of the younger's style, and the younger will unconsciously embody many traits of the elder.
Still a cool cover though. I never much liked Disturbed, but I have to admit that their cover game is strong. (Compare their version of Land of Confusion to the version by In Flames, normally a far better band. Disturbed wins that one by a fair bit. Contrast that by comparing the cringe-worthy weakness and pretension of Disturbed's big hit single to the similarly-melodic Clouds Connected by In Flames, which is so much better that it almost hurts to compare them.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:43, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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I added the designation of folk to this because Japan is one of the places generally associated with non-folk metal, along with the US and Scandinavia.

O3000, I really appreciate your observations about Disturbed's cover. My thoughts exactly. My wife is very conservative, musically speaking: soft rock, classical, etc. When I first presented Disturbed's version for her appraisal, and described how the original is actually a rather dark and dystopian song, she then listened to it and was blown away. She said "It's different, but really better." Bingo! Both versions are good, but Disturbed gets to the soul of the song. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, I guess you need to know how to view the video. With Simon and Gar, the volume is low. With Disturbed, turn up the volume. With Arianna Grande, mute the volume and just watch. O3000 (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
That was Anna Kendrick, not Ariana Grande. And since this is the video for it, I'm going to suggest also closing your eyes before watching it. That being said, I could watch Ariana Grande with the sound off all day. Just don't tell my wife. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Music

For anyone watching this thread (or commenting in it), I'm going to occasionally post a great or interesting metal song, or a song related to metal in an obvious or interesting way. Feel free to add your own.

Metal

Metal Related

Other cool music

Further discussion

Both of these were beautiful, and I'd heard neither. Turrentine was one of my favourites, thanks to Taxi (TV series) Roxy, the dog. barcus 08:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm adding the festival compilation from which the sleepers were taken, with other memorable performances... —PaleoNeonate – 11:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm not a Jazz fan myself (most people who know me IRL are shocked by this, given my love of progressive and experimental genres), but I can certainly appreciate it. And once in a while, I feel the need to put on something different and just soak in it for a while... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
If you’re going to add MoTown, try this for rock blues. This was Beth Hart’s heroin period, which she is over. Guitarist borrows from Hendrix. Mr. Hyde peeks out at 1:20 and she switches back and forth between Jekyl and Hyde. Hyde wins in the end. As I said, I like contrasts. [10] O3000 (talk) 19:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
You know, I had no idea who Beth Hart was when I read your comment. I liked the song a lot, so I looked her up, and found her big hit which I remember my DI in bootcamp really liked (I liked it to). Dude used to listen to it like every night after lights out. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
She cleaned up her drug problems and performed for Obama at the Kennedy Center Honors, same year Zep was honored. Since Joe Cocker was added, I had to mention an interesting video. This is a live performance at the Apollo of "You are so beautiful" with Cocker singing and the author, Billy Preston, at the piano. The interesting part is when Patti LaBelle appears from stage right and shakes the timbers. I wouldn’t add it. I just like the contrast between Cocker’s bronchitis voice and LaBelle’s soaring vocals. [11] Now, if you want to hear a serious gravelly voice, there’s Tom Waits doing "Tom Traubert's Blues", with apologies to any Aussies watching.[12] O3000 (talk) 01:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I've added Roger Waters' The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking to the list. It's a whole album (42 minutes), and an absolute classic. Kind of a concept album with a story running through it, and if you've never heard it before you're in for a treat. Enjoy! nagualdesign 22:47, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Nagualdesign: one of my shifts on the railway started at 05:01...guess the solo whistled  :) —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 23:12, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Ha! I haven't heard this in years. I listened to it for the first time when I was 15 or 16, and the cover caught my eye. Damn good stuff. Damn good. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, the album art's quite an eye-popper, especially when you're that age, which is exactly the same age I was when I first heard it too - a quarter of a century ago! Good times. nagualdesign 00:05, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Ahh, Roger Waters. Thanks for the link as I'm not familiar with it. I took someone I’d just met in NYC to the wall concert in Berlin after the wall fell. We got there early, hung around and enjoyed the camaraderie. But, we left before it started, took the subway to what was East Berlin, walked down the main Straße (which was papered with porn shop posters – even the opera house), took a taxi to the Moscow Café and watched Waters on TV. O3000 (talk) 00:23, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
My favorite Waters/Pink Floyd material is Dogs (Pigs song especially)Animals (Dogs song especially), then Dark Side of The Moon, I think (although all is good, of course). —PaleoNeonate – 01:17, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • There's a lot of music that I absolutely love that I doubt would go down well among metal fans. Frank Zappa's my favourite recording artist of all time. Radiohead are my favourite living band (I expect everyone likes at least a handful of their stuff). I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest something by John Grant... nagualdesign 22:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
...That link (above) is to Pale Green Ghosts, the first JG track I ever heard, and it's also the title track to his second album. The link is the first of a full playlist of the whole album. If you don't want to listen to the whole thing then just try track 3, "GMF" - another one of my favourites. Warning: explicit lyrics. nagualdesign 22:18, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Listening to the link above now. You can really hear the retro influence that's so pervasive today. There's a lot to unpack in it, though, so I can't say much beyond that until I hear more. Good stuff, though. Fun to listen to. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:44, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, it's kind of '80s style, but with arguably better production values, mixed with '90s dance music and other stuff. It's the Icelandic electro-pop influence, apparently. There's a remix of PGG called "Pale Green Ghosts (NO CEREMONY /// Remix)" that you might like if you've got a kick-ass sound system. nagualdesign 22:55, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
That was a tour de force. I love a track of epic proportions. Okay, I wasn't going to post any Zappa but as long tracks go, this is one of the best: Yo' Mama. nagualdesign 00:44, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Wow, that takes me back to high school. Not that I was in high school in '79, people just used to sing that song to me a lot... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:22, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, you should never smoke in pyjamas.[FBDB] nagualdesign 03:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
I was in primary school in '79, at that point I recall being more interested in The Goodies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
I turned 2 in '79, so you're both old gits from where I'm standing!   nagualdesign 10:57, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 
"Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Geezer!"
I was born in '79, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, geezer! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:09, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
  Touché. nagualdesign 13:11, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Good Lord. In ’79, I had already been working as a programmer for 12 years. My GF about that time was taught to drive a shift by Jerry Garcia (before he became an ice cream). O3000 (talk) 13:21, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
That... Actually makes me feel much better, thanks! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
My sole purpose in life is to age to allow others to feel better about their age relative to mine. Thus far, I’ve been highly successful at ageing. O3000 (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Speaking of ageing, and music, it’s interesting to see how some artists change over time. Here’s Mark Knopfler, rather mellow compared to days in Dire Straits. Your DI might like it if he ever indulged in mellowocity. Nice fingerstyle. [13] O3000 (talk) 18:12, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
About "Papillon" above, with edit summary "try to guess what the letters mean :)" (not sure if anyone noticed) I'll answer: the sequence of letters is a frequency-sorted list of letters in French.  —PaleoNeonate – 16:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Those damned French with their stupid baguettes and their silly accent... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:49, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Now I want baguette with cheese and red wine (I know French but am not French, BTW, poutine is more stereotypical). —PaleoNeonate – 17:53, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Came across this thread, saw a few tracks/bands I very much like, and decided to take the invitation above to add a few. Fear Factory in metal, Melt Banana for metal related, and some various loud electronic tracks (when I'm in the mood for something loud over the past decade or so, it's been decreasingly analog). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
That Tactical-Sekt song gave me a flashback to drinking scotch in a goth club in Raleigh, SC at age 21, feeling completely out of place with my shaved head, gub'mint issued mustache and BDUs while hoping like all hell that goth girls like a man in uniform, too. (Looking back, I can say with assurance that they do indeed.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:19, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Did not know there is (was?) a goth club in Raleigh. When I lived there the only place [that I knew of] playing anything unusual was Kings (unless you venture to the other parts of the Triangle). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:45, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it was more of a "goth night" than a dedicated goth club. I seem to recall there being a line-dancing thing there one night. If I'm not mistaken, the club was called The Church. Don't ask me where in the city it was though, I never drove to it, just caught rides (which we spent bragging about how many girls we'd take home). If you need any evidence of this, note how I put it in SC instead of NC because yeah, apparently, my sense of geography (and memory) really is that bad. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, I see you’ve added The Chain. Carried it on my iPod for years. Not as dramatic, but I always liked Landslide. Doesn’t say so in the WP article, but I’ve heard it was written with her father in mind. For some reason, the song seems particularly important to her. Many artists get attached to particular pieces. Like Ainsi soit je to Mylene Farmer. I liked Buckingham’s guitar work a lot. But, there exist better. O3000 (talk) 00:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to say that all you kids have ruined this Jazz related thread. Humph. Also, I appear to be at least twenty years older than the oldest of you. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 09:06, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
If you’re talking about physical age, I’d say that’s highly unlikely.  I just need to listen to recent music to stay young at heart. But since I’m here, another piece (definitely not jazz) with a strident woman. The woman stalking the stage is Alison Mosshart. Jack White lays down his guitar and returns to his first love.[14]. O3000 (talk) 11:38, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm standing with O3k on this one. Listening to music from a metal duo young enough to still think pretending to hump each other is the height of physical humor makes me feel like I'm not as old as my joints keep telling me I am. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Age is thing. You have to work on a thing. Or, it controls you instead of vice-versa. I posted this on my own forum on the death of Chester Bennington. [15] O3000 (talk) 00:09, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Really? Psychosocial is your "best" of Slipknot? Their self titled album was my workout music for like two whole years. It got to the point where I could take a PT test and play the record back in my head by memory as I ran. GMGtalk 02:05, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: I love Psychosocial too, but I think MjolnirPants linked the wrong video. Alexis Jazz (talk) 07:54, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Well GMG, Alexis is right in that the Nyan cat version is the far superior one, but I meant what I said. There was a bit of a rivalry between Slipknot and Mudvayne back in the day, and I was best friends and bandmates for a while with the guy who used to sell Mudvayne their pot back even further in the day. So I just never really got into Slipknot. By the time they released Psychosocial I'd gotten to the point of apathy with respect to that sort of thing. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:38, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  • All of you need to watch that Hasselhoff video. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:17, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Just to keep the thread going, non-metal version of Rage Against the Machine’s Ghost of Tom Joad. Tom Morello keeps it raw.[16] O3000 (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • New TV commercial came on today and the background music sounded familiar. Drove me crazy trying to figure it out. Few hours later I remembered it was a Portishead tune. I like sounds that cross genre. This is a trip hop/electronica band; only it has elements of jazz, blues, and rock as well. Besides, I like strong female leads. Also, elements of Jekyl and Hyde that I enjoy. [17]. O3000 (talk) 23:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Oooh, I love Portishead. I first learned of them when I downloaded an MP3 of Teardrops by Massive Attack which was wrongly attributed to them. I loved that song so much I bought a Portishead album. Very different sound, but no regrets. None at all. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:29, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Interesting cover by Garbage and the Screaming Females of the Springsteen/Smith piece that Patti Smith made famous, ‘’Because the Night’’. Marissa Paternoster starts a lengthy guitar solo at 3:34 that suggests one reason they’re called the Screaming Females. Decent break down at the end.[18] O3000 (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
@Objective3000: "Interesting" my ass... That was fucking epic! And the next song in that playlist has been one of my favorite grrl rock songs for a long time. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 01:40, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Weirdness

I listened to one of the metal videos here on youtube, and let it continue autoplaying for a while. This was the sequence:

  1. Behemoth - O Father, O Satan, O Son!
  2. Behemoth - Ora Pro Nobis Lucifer
  3. Fatback Band - I Found Lovin'
  4. Cheryl Lynn - Encore

I have no idea what is going through YT's "mind", but it's funny as hell and I hope it's doing the same to other metal listeners. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:47, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Maybe there's somebody who really likes both Behemoth and vintage R&B and YT is assuming that duo is... common. I mean with how I ping between folk metal and Gorillaz I'm sure I'm giving YT weird ideas about taste mapping too. Simonm223 (talk) 13:50, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Maybe there's somebody who really likes both Behemoth and vintage R&B Well, to be fair, that's me. But YT usually is smart enough to realize when I'm listening to metal vs when I'm listening to R&B, and I rarely do the latter on YT anyways since I actually own the albums I like. And you're not the only one who bounces between The Gorillaz and folk metal. Most of the folk metal fans I know have said something like "Some pop music is okay. Like The Gorillaz." at some point. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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