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Erm...

...I'm not sure I understand this edit... Salvio 11:33, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

@Salvio giuliano: Not sure why XFDcloser did that. That discussion which you closed is listed directly below the one I just closed, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Joy Bridenbaker, on that day, i.e. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#August 24, 2020. A glitch for some reason perhaps? — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 11:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah, now I get it, yes. That's something I've noticed before: when the same section contains more than one MfD, XFDcloser sometimes does not understand where one ends and the following begins. To avoid that problem, I open the individual MfD and close it from there. Salvio 11:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Eagleash. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, User:Jprice13/sandbox, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) Eagleash (talk) 21:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: First, I did not review that but rather I merely patrolled it. Second: Why? It is a seemingly reasonable draft that has been submitted to AfC for evaluation and will be unpatrolled again should it be moved to the mainspace. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:13, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah yes, I've had that happen to me when marking an early version as patrolled but somehow it gets a green tick in the curation toolbar. I don't know about 'unpatrolled if moved to mainspace' but to mark a sandbox draft not yet passed AfC as reviewed (which I realise was not your real intention) does not seem right to me. Also it is a duplicate of another submission which has twice been declined. Sorry for the inconvenience. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 21:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers#How does this affect new pages? is the closest thing to documenting "'unpatrolled if moved to mainspace'" that I can put my finger on offhand. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:28, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Not really clear (as ever). A goodly proportion of pages in the new pages list appear with a green tick so may not get reviewed further. Anyway; I stopped marking sandboxes as patrolled when the anomaly first surfaced. I don't know whether it's a glitch or what. Not as annoying as moving a sandbox to draft, creating a redirect which the user then removes to create something else, for which the reviewer gets the credit... or blame. Eagleash (talk) 22:05, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much

I had erroneously thought that the addendum contained in FNC#2 which states ...into suitable names, according to what the image display meant that if I saw a poster of a football club & the image name, hypothetically speaking was goodfootballclub.jpg, I felt moving it goodfootballclubLogo.jpg was more appropriate but apparently I was wrong, I thank you for the guidance & feedback thus far. Celestina007 (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Quick question

When is it appropriate to use F9 speedy delete For copyvio’s as opposed to using “Di-license” or could you be so kind as to give me an example on when a Di-license is to be used & when an F9 is to be used Celestina007 (talk) 20:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Renaming and a few arcane licenses are more of my domain in regard to files. Not very familiar with that particular aspect. Warm regards, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 02:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hypothetical scenario

Hello, I think I need your input here, if hypothetically speaking I come across a file named “This is a photo for Wikipedia” then I proceed to do a reverse image search on the photo & it reveals the name of the subject is, let’s say “John doe xyz”, when requesting a rename which would be more appropriate/applicable, an FNC#2 or FNC#3 ? Celestina007 (talk) 08:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: It is closer to than WP:FNC#3 than #2, but it does not fit neatly in any of the categories. It would be an unusual case that should clearly be renamed but does not quite meet any of the nine widely undisputed (i.e. common) criteria. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, that was what I believed relatively applied but I just had to ask someone already experienced in file related activity(you) before proceeding any further. I came across such situation about 9 days ago. Celestina007 (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, including When in Rome, do as the Romans do and To rob Peter to pay Paul. It's hard to believe Wikipedia did not have articles on those two topics, before you created them! Right cite (talk) 17:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Right cite. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 17:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for pestering you everyday

A hypothetical scenario here, what do I do when a file name Is, let’s say for example; Jane doe xyz 30345355 do I rename media to simply jane doe xyz & eliminate the “30345355” attached to the name? or do I just leave it as it is? Celestina007 (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: If a rename is already due according to the criteria, then you generally have leeway to clean up the title as you see fit. Otherwise, unless the title is super unweildly, generally leave it be (I would not consider your example to meet that bar). Warm regards, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 18:16, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

As usual, thanks for always being there to answer my pestering question. Celestina007 (talk) 18:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Please help encourage civility and collaboration. Thanks.

I think it's clear that in my opinion the discussions at Talk:Alexis Texas have gone far off what's appropriate for any article, let alone one under sanctions. Please help encourage civility and collaboration. Thank you. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hipal: First, your collapsing is generally inappropriate (see WP:COLLAPSENO; {{Collapse top}} and {{Collapse bottom}} or similar templates ... should not be used by involved parties to end a discussion over the objections of other editors.). Second, the point at which you are doing it in the discussion makes it obvious that you are leaving your comments visible while attempting to obscure those rebutting yours by GuzzyG, Rite cite, and myself. I wholeheartedly disagree with your continued assertions that our, and especially my, comments were inappropriate. I stand by mine and fully and assert that they conform to the guidelines and policies that offer advice and rules regarding civil discord in such forums here. It will remain uncollapsed (bar a neutral third party choosing to collapse it, which I find unlikely). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry you feel that way. I was hoping to de-escalate the situation, and hoped you would do the same.

I'm afraid we don't agree.

How was it appropriate to assume I was talking about specific editors who were involved in the discussion, even after I clarified? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 3) I have clearly explained and it is obvious how the specified portion of WP:TPG applies. That aside, you are reading more into the generalized latter half of the single time I have posted on that talk page than is there. If you have issues with the words of others, raise it with them if you desire (though it would likely be a fruitless endeavor) in an appropriate way (which does not include collapsing). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 00:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Guess Who’s Here Again

Yeah, yeah it’s me again with my incessant questions. Now, the problem is I’ve been in situations where an editor claims the subject of the article has transferred the rights of an image to the editor who has uploaded it but since I don’t have an OTRS account I can’t check to confirm, I guess my question would be are there any go-to file mover OTRS volunteers I can ping to confirm if an editors assertion that the rights of an image has been transferred to them is a true or false one? Celestina007 (talk) 22:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: No worries. I am unsure (whether or not a file should be renamed does not relate to whether its existence is appropriate). I'll defer that question to JJMC89, who might know. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 00:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: I'm not sure what moving a file has to do with verifying any permission/copyright.

Generally, claims that an article subject transferred the rights of an image to the uploader aren't true. Usually the article subject doesn't hold copyright to the image in the first place, so they couldn't transfer it if they wanted to. The photographer usually holds the copyright, not the subject of the photograph, unless officially transferred, e.g. by contract. Even when copyright was transferred to the subject, they usually won't have transferred it to someone to upload to on Wikipedia/Commons. Usually it is something along the lines of "you can use this photo on Wikipedia", which is not a copyright transfer or a (free) license.

If a file doesn't have {{OTRS permission}} on it, then an OTRS agent hasn't verified permission. Otherwise, if someone claims to have sent permission, then the file should have {{OTRS pending}} (generally added by uploader) or {{OTRS received}} (added by OTRS agent) depending on the ticket status. You can ask me or at WP:OTRSN/c:COM:OTRSN about specific cases.

— JJMC89 (T·C) 04:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

JJMC89, thanks I sure would. I asked the question because I generally do file patrolling coupled with file moving. Thanks once again for the reply JJ & thank you Godsy for pointing me in the right direction. Celestina007 (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your close of the deletion attempt at 37th AVN Awards! What do you think of my recent improvements to the page? Right cite (talk) 15:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Right cite: I have not taken an in-depth look at the page that was the subject of the discussion or any of the recent changes to it. The speedy close was appropriate because of the state of the discussion (i.e. no one had "suggested an outcome besides keep or added substantive comments unrelated to deletion" and the nominator withdrew their initiation; WP:WITHDRAWN). Warm regards, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 16:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Godsy, okay thanks, feel free to take a look whenever you get a chance, if you like, Right cite (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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Merge proposal which you may be interested in

Please see Tfd, where I proposed to merge Template:Lang-he-n into Template:Lang-he. Debresser (talk) 09:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with a redirect

Thanks for your edits to the Al Schmidt page! I'm very new when it comes to that sort of stuff (redirects) and I apparently didn't read the docs very well 🙄:

The following templates are used to create a soft redirect link:

• {{Soft redirect}} for all soft redirects except those below:
• {{Wikidata redirect}} for Wikidata redirects

I was planning on expanding his Wikidata entry and thought it would more useful than a redlink. Sorry to bother, but so that I don't make a similar mistake again, would you mind explaining why you think a "soft redirect is inappropriate"?

If I could be even more of a pain, would you mind taking a look at the redirect I set up recently for the Fraud Street Run? I'm pretty sure that I went about it the right way because I just copied what I'd seen elsewhere, but it'd be nice to know that someone with much more experience agrees.

Many thanks in advance! Aluxosm (talk) 19:35, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I've just added a load of statements to the Wikidata entity for Al Schmidt (Q101486630), this data can be viewed directly or in a more visually pleasing way with sites like Reasonator -

I'm in total agreement with the statements on the Soft redirects from Wikipedia to a sister project page that suggest that soft redirects bring the sister projects closer together and that they prevent future clean-up issues. So now that the Wikidata entity has way more information than the article that it currently redirects to, could I maybe change your mind in regards to the soft redirect being inappropriate? 😜 Aluxosm (talk) 21:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Aluxosm: I have read the above message. I will reply when I have a moment. Warm regards, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 05:33, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Aluxosm: The plain soft redirect template is not used in the mainspace. {{Wikidata redirect}} is a redirect category (i.e. a target besides there is also neccessary) and no specialized soft redirect template exists for direct linkage to wikidata. I do not think sending readers to wikidata is generally, if ever, helpful. Readers will also very likely be viewing it as is, without any special tools. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect might be a good place to garner some input form others on the situation if it is something you still think is appropriate in this situation. That aside, Fraud Street Run looks fine. Warmest regards, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 06:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Godsy: Thanks for taking the time to check all this out, and for the well linked reply, it's much appreciated! I think I understand the lay of the land much better now; I hadn't really noticed the difference between the {{Wikidata redirect}} template and others like {{Commons redirect}} before. I think it's a bit of a shame there's not something like that for Wikidata but I can understand the "danger" in having one. It would likely be misused to the point where Wikipedia would end up with a page for any random person/thing on Wikidata, completely bypassing WP:NOTABILITY. The thing that I really want to avoid is having someone start an article from scratch without knowing about the Wikidata entity and then potentially going though all of that research again, I guess that's more a documentation/education problem though. If I have any brainwaves, I'll be sure to mention it in the redirect project. In this case, knowing what I know now, I'd probably say it'd be better off as a redlink but I'm not sure I can bring myself to break the link to Wikidata 😅, so I'll leave that one to your (or a future editors) discretion. Thanks again! Aluxosm (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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@RAJIVVASUDEV: Happy Yuletide! . — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 03:31, 29 December 2020 (UTC)