Talk:Wong Yuk-man

Name

I think this article should be called Wong Yuk-man, not Raymond Wong (politician). Kayau Odyssey HUCK FINN to the lighthouse BACK FROM EXAMS 11:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

What about just "Raymond Wong Yuk-man", as in conventional name order in Hong Kong? HkCaGu (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

This person share a common English name with 6 other notable people in the world, Raymond Wong. He may has an unique Chinese name, but this is English Wikipedia and we follow the English WP:MOS. The best way to distinguish them precisely is by parentheses description, in this case: politician. Unless one could argue that his notability surpasses all other whose name is Raymond Wong. Tvtr (talk) 21:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

However, "Raymond" in these people from Hong Kong is equivalent to an American middle name. In every day news reporting, their Chinese names are integral to their Western name and their surname. And looking at each person's biography, many of them do not have a stable career or "label". Film director Wong Pak-Ming continues to be an actor, and Wong Yuk-Man has evolved from lecturer to commentator/host to legislator and maybe one day just restaurant owner. Using western name only for these people who primarily reside in Hong Kong does not make sense. HkCaGu (talk) 05:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I failed to see any support on your theory of any Chinese would call themselves "Yuk-man Raymond Wong". And the title you suggested "Raymond Wong Yuk-man" puts "Wong" as the middle name, which does not match your claim of Raymond as the middle name. That rule only applies on the Chinese side of Wikipedia, not the English side. The parentheses description on title is merely a way to distinguish multiple people sharing a common English name. If this Raymond Wong becomes more widely known as a restaurant owner in the future, then his title will be "Raymond Wong (restaurateur)", but until then he is best known in the western world as a politician. Tvtr (talk) 17:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Why are you confusing everyone? When I said Raymond is EQUIVALENT to the American middle name, that means it is the "optional" part of the name. Yuk-man identifies him, not Raymond--for Chinese speakers and for the English press in Hong Kong. Using "Raymond Wong Yuk-man" does NOT put Wong as the middle name. Being in the middle doesn't mean it's middle name. In ENGLISH Wikipedia you'll find all types of people and in their articles (titles or body) where first name isn't first, middle name isn't in the middle, and last name isn't last. WP:COMMONNAME suggests that as a HK politician, the Hong Kong name order should prevail. HkCaGu (talk) 19:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The order you mentioned is still in status quo, no consensus was ever reached, and you may visit WP:NC-ZH to renew the discussion on Hong Kong names in the main talk page. The archive can be found in WT:Naming conventions (Chinese)/Names#Hong Kong people's name. The closest policy is WP:UE, which implies the current title is correct. Therefore, until any policies were drafted specific for Chinese people with an English name, the English MOS and naming convention will be used for everyone in Hong Kong with an English name. Tvtr (talk) 21:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

While I disagree with the notion that the English name is 'equivalent' to the middle name (I think it depends on the person in every case; the G is HG Wells is not optional, and would any one call Donald Tsang 'Tsang Yam-kuen'?), I think it's pretty clear that most sources use 'Wong Yuk-man' rather than 'Raymond Wong'. However, they all use Albert Ho, Emily Lau, Carrie Lam, etc. Kayau (talk · contribs) 14:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Chinese name

I've added "黃毓民" in the lead paragraph. Can someone add the standard info about this Chinese name, pronunciation etc? Onanoff (talk) 07:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Wong Yuk-man. Xoloz (talk) 17:35, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Raymond Wong (politician) → Wong Yuk-man – Wong Yuk-man is much more common used. Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Lmmnhn (talk) 13:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

• SUPPORT as expressed 4 years ago. HkCaGu (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
• Use Raymond Wong Yuk-man per the discussion -- 70.24.244.161 (talk) 07:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, common name. --Cold Season (talk) 01:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Relisting comment: A consensus is more likely to be reached if editors provide evidence of common usage, rather than just asserting their own opinions.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Extended content

Raymond Wong Yuk-man Wong Yuk-man (without "Raymond") Raymond Wong (without "Yuk-man") SCMP 1070 Ghits 179 Ghits 640 inapplicable GHits (mostly about Raymond Wong Pak-ming) The Standard 940 Ghits 2 Ghits, both with the phrase "Raymond 'Mad Dog' Wong Yuk-man'" 130 inapplicable Ghits (again mostly about Raymond Wong Pak-ming .gov.hk 4 Ghits 1080 Ghits 2,710 inapplicable Ghits (mostly about Raymond Wong Hung-chiu)

• Support any move away from the present title Kind of a toss-up between Wong Yuk-man and Raymond Wong Yuk-man; among WP:RS, newspapers mostly use the latter, while HK government websites mostly use the former. "Raymond Wong" alone (as the Wikipedia lemma currently uses) clearly is not the common name. Evidence in table at right.

Since most users above seem to support the nominator's suggestion of "Wong Yuk-man", I'm perfectly happy with that. I can't figure out the WP:COMMONNAME, so I'll refer to the other WP:NAMINGCRITERIA: "Wong Yuk-man" seems sufficiently precise, and more concise. quant18 (talk) 13:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: move the article, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Wong Yuk-man → Raymond Wong Yuk-man – Whether or not the current name is more commonly used than any other name does not reflect how the current name affects readers. So far, "Raymond" should be re-inserted, but retain the romanized name. This is English Wikipedia, but Hong Kong has different name styling. Since all the names of this person are used commonly, this all comes down to divided usage of both romanized Chinese name of the Chinese name, the adopted Anglo name—Raymond—and the HK-style blended name. Raymond Wong (politician) can't be used because previous consensus agreed to dump that name. This leaves us going for HK name-styling instead. George Ho (talk) 17:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support per #Name and HK local naming sytle -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:50, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

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