Talk:Violeta Chamorro

Only woman?

only woman to be elected president in central america? What about Mireya Moscoso

Loaded statement

I just removed " by doing what she was told"... loaded statement with no citation. 199.197.126.241 19:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)j

Mispelling?

Does the opening sentence misspell her name? Huw Powell 02:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes it did, i just corrected it.-- LaNicoya  •Talk•  02:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Stub?

Isn't this article kind of a stub for a person of her importance?Chevrox (talk) 16:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Women GA expansion

WikiProject Women is focusing on this article for the month of September, hoping to take it to Good Article status. SusunW (talk) 17:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

• "Our Lady of the Lake University to Blackstone College for Girls? reason=The ref says this, but it seems a bit strange that she should go from university to high school and not the other way around." Belle Different sources call it different things: Our Lady of the Lake Catholic School for Girls, Our Lady of the Lake Catholic School for Girls, Our Lady of the Lake University, about equal numbers for each. This is the only source that does not show it being in San Antonio Our Lady of the Lakes near Austin, Texas. I find no such place in Austin. According to the Texas Historical Society, there were only two Our Lady Schools established in Texas -- one in San Antonio and the other in Ft. Worth. Texas Finally found this, which appears to be definitive [p 226 “Sister María Carolina went to Nicaragua…supported the Chicano and feminist movements in her classes at OLLU”. Website for Our Lady of the Lake University shows it is OLLU. Back to p 226 in the book to the foot note at the bottom of the page "Violeta Barrios de Chamorro…had attended Our Lady of the Lake High school some 45 years earlier." So...even though I find no records to say it was operating as a high school at that time frame, apparently they offered high school and college courses.

That seems quite definitive and logical and I think you've handled it sensibly in the text (and if 16 words seems a bit of a let down in response to all your hard work, what can I say? Have some more: well done; bravo) Belle (talk) 23:42, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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NPOV

77.89.148.45 Please stop vandalizing the page. All articles can be improved, but you cannot input your POV into the piece. The sources say what they do. They do not allege. This is not an article giving the Sandinista view it is an article about Chamorro. The proper venue for information on Ortega is in his article. If you want to contrast the differences between her regime and his, the place for that is on a page about the general political scene. His information is irrelevant to hers. Changes need to be discussed on the talk page, as you seem to be unable to edit without inserting POV. Thank you! SusunW (talk) 21:08, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

As I indicated above where your wording is better, I have no problem using it. I will not edit war with you. The BBC piece you provided says nothing at all about Chamorro's regime. It [1] is talking about the election of Ortega, which has nothing to do with Chamorro. SusunW (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I have also added a reference to make a more balanced presentation of the "political climate" This is not a section discussing specific policies it is one discussing the overall climate. Sandinista policies are not Chamorro's and have no place in her article. SusunW (talk) 22:16, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

The repeated insertions of "alleged" or "she thought" cannot remain. None of the sources use that language. I did not make your change about assist her campaign because that implies a passive action. Taking action to "level the field" clearly shows that the US was meddling in the election. SusunW (talk) 22:29, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Children

subsequently, they had five children together. The article mentions only four, in accord to spanish and russian wikis which have also 4 children. - Melilac (talk) 09:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Violeta Chamorro/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 19:16, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll finish this soon JAGUAR  19:16, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Initial comments

• "he was often jailed or in exile" - how about he was often jailed or exiled?

 Done SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

SusunW But did the government exile him or he chose exile to escape persecution? Although it may be forceful, it is not the same the government ordering someone to leave the country in exile than choosing to go out of the country for whatever reason. Thinker78 (talk) 05:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thinker78 not sure why this is embedded in the GA review from 2015, but my answer would be that the proper discussion for Pedro's exile is in his biography. I agree that it is pertinent to his story. However, the "why" is not really necessary to her article other than as a motivator for her constant movement from 1957 through the 1970s. To her, whether it was voluntary or not, it still resulted in her dividing her time between her children and husband in different locations. SusunW (talk) 13:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

• "however, when the Junta began moving" - I see that "junta" is uncapitalised throughout the article, should it be capitalised here?

I actually went the other way. Since the Junta of National Reconstruction is the actual name of it, I capitalized it throughout, like when one would be referring to the Democratic party as opposed to democracy in general. Advise if you disagree. SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• I would merge the final sentence of the lead into one of the paragraphs, as WP:LEAD recommends a maximum of four paragraphs for an article

 Done SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• "Her family and was wealthy and conservative, and although she has often been claimed by reporters such as Richard Boudreaux of the The Los Angeles Times, Garrick Utley of NBC, Stephen Kinzer of The New York Times, Lee Hockstader of The Washington Post, and other papers to be part of the Nicaraguan aristocracy, in truth, her family had large landholdings and cattle and were more akin to the cattle barons of the western United States, than the "Nicaraguan Gloria Vanderbilt", she was sometimes styled as in the American press" - this is a very long sentence. I would try to split it at "... of the western United States" so it reads something like She was styled in the American press as the "Nicaraguan Gloria Vanderbilt" or something similar?

Split it at what appeared to be a more natural break ... "Her family and was wealthy and conservative, and although she has often been claimed by reporters such as Richard Boudreaux of the The Los Angeles Times, Garrick Utley of NBC, Stephen Kinzer of The New York Times, Lee Hockstader of The Washington Post, and other papers to be part of the Nicaraguan aristocracy, in truth, her family had large landholdings and cattle. They were more akin to the cattle barons of the western United States, than the "Nicaraguan Gloria Vanderbilt", she was sometimes styled as in the American press." SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• "In March, 1980," - no need for comma here

 Done SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• "In addition, the CIA covertly paid close to $0.5 million" - why not $500,000?

I think I had that and somewhere along the way it got changed? Or maybe I said half a million. I'm fine with $500,000 (USD). SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• "UNO had been unable to agree on specifics, as its membership ranged from the far left to the far right, making their plan one of running against whatever the Sandinistas were for" - I don't know why these words are italicised if they aren't part of a quote?

Removed italics SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• "The aid cut-off, subsequent freeze, and Helms' demands were put forward" - I didn't understand the first half of the sentence. Should it read The aid was cut-off and Helms' demands were put forward? Unless I'm misunderstanding something

 Done SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• "As noted previously, The US assisted Nicaragua" - de-capitalise "the"

 Done SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• "In fact, during her presidential campaign" - sounds a bit informal. Could be cut

 Done SusunW (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

References

• No dead links

On hold

Excellent article! She sounded like a very influential person and almost like a Central American Nelson Mandela. I could only find some minor prose issues, so once all of the above are clarified then this should be good to go. JAGUAR  19:03, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Jaguar Thank you for the review. I enjoyed working on her. Contentious part of both US and Nicaraguan history, but a very important part of building their peace. SusunW (talk) 19:55, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for addressing them! This looks like it's good to go now. Yeah, I guess there's not many people out there who helps end a war and bring peace to a whole country. She sounds very inspiring. Well done on all the work put into this one JAGUAR  21:14, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

LGBT

I really think that the LGBT community part, that is currently in the peace part, suits better into the gender part. - Melilac (talk) 16:22, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree, as you can see from the history, that was inserted in the peace section at a later time. I have moved it to the gender section. Feel free to make such moves yourself, as clearly your placement was more logical and provides better article flow. SusunW (talk) 15:59, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Uncited statements

Subject article is a Good Article. 2001:8003:801f:f800:2042:810f:6ec5:6bb2, you are welcome to add cited information having to do with Chamorro, but uncited materials having to do with later administrations do not belong in her article. SusunW (talk) 01:35, 18 April 2017 (UTC)