Talk:Steve Novak

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I found the categories under Travis Diener. Royalbroil 04:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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Year of birth

Is it 1983 or 1984? Some sources that use 1983 are:

• NBA
• ESPN
• Basketball-Reference.com
• Yahoo!
• CBS Sports
• DraftExpress

Some sources that use 1984 are:

• Marquette Golden Eagles
• NBA D-League
• NBADraft.net

I think according to this, we should use 1983, considering NBADraft.net and DraftExpress are not considered reliable source. — MT (talk) 06:54, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The Marquette site should be considered reliable, though. (And IMO, it may be the most authoritative source, since Novak meant much more to them than any of the NBA teams he's played for.) It's also important to note that NBA.com is inconsistent. Besides that D-League profile you mentioned, there's this, which gives a date of 1984. I have also found a December 11, 2005 newspaper article that says, "The oldest players in Marquette's starting lineup are senior forward Steve Novak and sophomore center Ousmane Barro, both 21." (Skip Myslenski. "Youth served a painful lesson ; WISCONSIN 77, MARQUETTE 63". Chicago Tribune. December 11, 2005.) That would be consistent with Novak being born in 1984.

1984 does make more sense, assuming he was never held back in school. It seems likely to me that ESPN et al are just copying an error that ended up at NBA.com. Zagalejo^^^ 09:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Well it does make sense. Sorry for being too quick to conclude that we should use 1983, I haven't done a lot of research on this (only a quick search on player profile on some popular website). Anyway, I've reverted my edits. Thanks for the help. — MT (talk) 09:21, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Marquette's website is not regularly maintained like NBA.com is. It's not like he's a cuban defector or a foreign national. Marquette would probably be the source of the erroneous information. There is a reason that his player page states 1983, and his draft page says 1984. Probably because 1984 is in error. Plus his personal facebook page says 1983.

Which Facebook page are you talking about? There are several out there. NBA.com has made plenty of mistakes in the past, and as I said, 1984 would make more sense, given the years he went to high school and college. Zagalejo^^^ 03:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I've decided to remove the date entirely until the matter can be resolved with certainty. Zagalejo^^^ 03:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Consider listing c.1983 or c.1984 per MOS:DOB. A footnote explanation can also be added with the conflicting sources. A ballpark date is better than nothing.—Bagumba (talk) 21:21, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

That is something we can try. Go for it, if you want. Zagalejo^^^ 21:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Done. I did not add all the refs though.—Bagumba (talk) 22:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Comment You would think there would be someone who could clear this up, heh. The usual birthdate issue is with people who were born hundreds of years ago. Enigma^msg 15:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

There have been a number of edits today concerning his birthdate, but no one has provided an edit summary or any other explanation. Has Novak said something lately? Zagalejo^^^ 04:43, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Another source that uses 1983: The New York Times says he was 28 in a March 1, 2012 article. Same story though, no indication if they are just referred to nba.com and the like.—Bagumba (talk) 18:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

DraftExpress shows 1983 now Novak confirmed on 620 WTMJ Radio in Milwaukee his birth year is 1983. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.16.212.102 (talk) 21:04, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

As mentioned, Steve finally confirms birth year as 1983 in a radio interview (and subsequent tweet) WTMJ Tweet Theroux721 19:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposed text

I find the "or" in "June 13, 1983 or 1984" a bit hokey. The following are options:

1. c. 1983
2. c. 1984
3. June 13, c. 1983
4. June 13, c. 1984
5. June 13, 1983 or 1984

My preference is #2. No indications he was held back a grade in school, doesn't use awkward "or" in date when full explanation of possible dates is in the footnote, and no sense putting "June 13" if we are anyways approximating his birth date and the likely month/day is in the footnote.—Bagumba (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Agree that 2 is best.—Chris!_c/t 20:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

The problem with "circa ___ " is that it does suggest one date is more likely to be correct than the other. That's not going to sit well with everyone, especially since many people don't seem to be reading the footnote. Is anyone in a position where they could just ask Novak when he was born? Zagalejo^^^ 21:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

If one was more likely, we could list that date and explain our logic in the footnote. The only argument I could see is that 1983 is used in all recent sources, so we could assume it is correct or else Novak would have gotten it corrected. However, I'm not seeing consensus for that here (although that is probably the logic of those who keep changing without explanation). Lacking any preference, "circa" seems the most appropriate approach. Also, someone just asking him wouldn't be verifiable. Getting access to public birth record databases might be the best bet, but a lot of those are subscription-based.—Bagumba (talk) 22:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I suppose someone can have him publish it on his twitter account.—Bagumba (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Novak could also contact WP:OTRS. While that conversation would not be accessible to most users (myself included), someone could add a hidden note like this. (Dreiling's case is an interesting one; that incorrect date had been included in official publications for over 20 years.) Zagalejo^^^ 03:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I tried contacting him via Twitter but it looks like he doesn't read tweets directed at him. Enigma^msg 02:30, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for trying! Zagalejo^^^ 05:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any objection to using "circa" isnt ot the awkward "or" for his birth year. I would suggestion option 3: "June 13, c. 1983". Since it is circa 1983, it is an estimate, not an endorsement that 1983 is exact.—Bagumba (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, if we did that, we'd at least need to keep the footnote. Zagalejo^^^ 01:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, footnote definitely stays. I changed it to c. 1983.—Bagumba (talk) 08:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It does not makes sense to use circa! Why are you using c. 1983 over c. 1984? You must list both dates equally! How are you an administrator if you can't even figure this out? 198.151.130.66 (talk) 19:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

This is not a vote, and we operate on consensus. Perhaps we would agree with you if you provide a convincing explanation. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

It should be "either, or", not circa. Circa makes it sound like it could be any variety of dates, regardless of what the footnote says. Sources indicate exactly 2 different dates. "either June 13, 1983 or June 13, 1984" would be more appropriate wording. 198.151.130.67 (talk) 04:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Great source for expansion

This espn.com article is a great source for expansion of this article particularly on his early life:[1] AaronY (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

July 4 2014 edits

@Abazz, MihailBerco23, Pmaster12, MihailBerco23, and Rockets101: I've undone today's edits to this article. As you are all auto-confirmed you can edit at will unless a non-autoconfirmed editor tries to edit.

Please only insert material if it can be backed by a reliable source. Most blogs are not "reliable sources," but "news blogs" may be considered reliable in certain situations. If possible, wait for the official announcement. Also, don't insert material before an existing reference. The stacked-up edits that I reverted inadvertently made it look like a 2014 event was backed by a 2013 reference. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:26, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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