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Please revive Portal:BasketballEdit

I noticed that a couple months ago, the portal for basketball was deleted (see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Basketball). This was a misguided move, since every other major sport has a portal (see Portal:Baseball, Portal:Association football, Portal:Ice hockey, Portal:American football, Portal:Volleyball, Portal:Cricket, and Portal:Tennis). This leaves basketball as the only major world sport without a portal, apart from golf. I have no experience in creating portals, so someone needs to help. Sanjay7373 (talk) 00:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sanjay7373: Did you want to create a portal, or are you asking for a volunteer to do it?—Bagumba (talk) 10:01, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
@Sanjay7373: Please read the nomination on why it was deleted in the first place. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a justification to restore something that was abandoned for a long time. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
I'd rather have this stay deleted than see it on a sorry state. Nobody (and by nobody, not actually 0) visits portals. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
As a basketball fan, I find it shameful that this is the only major team sport in the world without a portal. I can create the portal on basketball, but I am not too much of an expert on creating portals, so if I make a mistake, I will try to fix it as soon as possible. Sanjay7373 (talk) 03:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Don't bother. Portals are a terrible waste of everyone's time, and a failed bad idea. Not only should the basketball portal not be recreated, all the others (and I mean all the over portals) should be deleted. oknazevad (talk) 04:03, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Instead of deleting a bad-looking portal, one should find ways to improve the quality of the portal. Perhaps a basketball expert on Wikipedia could help. Sanjay7373 (talk) 04:39, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
There are a lot of basketball experts here, and no one wants to maintain a portal no one visits. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Just compare this to the other sports portals I mentioned above. Basketball is one of the world's most popular sports. If sports like baseball, cricket, and American football have portals, why doesn't basketball have one?. Sanjay7373 (talk) 06:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
You just WP:DONTGETIT, do you? We already told you why it was deleted. This is not about the sport being popular. If nobody maintains the portal then it gets deleted. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:13, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
No one has to reply until he explains what "no one wants to maintain a portal no one visits" means. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
According to the deletion discussion, the page got 26 views per day in the 3 months prior to the deletion. In the last 20 days almost half of the portals have had less than 26 views per day. Also, the deletion discussion says that the portal covers a relatively narrow topic. I don't know how basketball is a more narrow topic than baseball, football (both soccer and American football), cricket, etc. I will try to re-create Portal:Basketball when I have free time. Sanjay7373 (talk) 02:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Just so you know, less than 26/day is pathetic. Here are some latest page view stats: LeBron James gets almost 20,000/day, Los Angeles Lakers gets 5,200/day, basketball itself gets 5,000/day, 2019–20 NBA season gets 4,000/day, 2019–20 EuroLeague gets 939/day. The actual portal supposedly got less than 26/day. No comment on how or why basketball is a narrow topic, but no one maintained that sorry portal, nobody cared, nobody visited, and apparently only you were sad it was gone.
I'd actually prefer a per-topic portal, like an NBA portal, or a European basketball one. That might get more contributors or pageviews. For a major sport, basketball is a disjointed sport, the leagues are not well-connected to each other as say the football ones. But only if it'll be maintained and gets eyeballs. If it won't, don't. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Portals are a bit of minefield right now. I'd suggest seeing what becomes of the case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals.—Bagumba (talk) 04:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Matt Mooney date of birthEdit

Hi. There has been a small edit war Matt Mooney regarding his date of birth. Several sources say 1995, while others 1997. I was wondering what others thought about this/which sources were reliable. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 14:27, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

His NBA and G League pages say 1997, what sources say 1995? College bios are usually reliable for this but neither Texas Tech or South Dakota show a birth year. I think we need to go with official sources over others. Given five years in college 1995 is plausible though. Rikster2 (talk) 15:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Funny thing is the NBA made a big deal out of certifying birthdates this year Rikster2 (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Real GM and NBAScoutingLive give us 1995. I would trust the NBA though. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 16:52, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
He graduated high school in 2013 [1], and missed the 2013-2014 college season because of a biking injury [2]. A 1995 birthdate makes more sense than a 1997 birthdate. It's highly unlikely he graduated high school at age 16. Zagalejo^^^ 04:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Grizzlies' media guide did list his birth as February 7, 1995 [3]. Zagalejo^^^ 05:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I suggest we use 1995 and put a hidden note (and detail why on his Talk page. I agree with Zagalejo that it’s highly likely 1995 is correct. Rikster2 (talk) 13:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Now an IP editor claiming to be Mooney says he was born in 1996. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 16:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
There are zero sources that say 1996. Sounds like vandalism. Rikster2 (talk) 16:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Euroleague seasons are getting too big for Wikipedia - time to split or reduce contentEdit

The question came up at WP:Village pump (technical)#Template question(permalink). The 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons are affected. Note that the league expanded from 16 to 18 teams this season.

If the detailed scoring information is kept on some official web site, a stable archive site like archive.org, or other stable location, I recommend replacing removing the detailed scoring information from the scoring tables.

If that is not desirable, I recommend making the "Matches" section its own article with a link from the "regular season" article into it. Another option is to remove the flag icons, but that would be a controversial change.

An 18-team, 30-round regular season should barely fit into the 2GB "expanded template size" limit.

See Help:Template#Template limits and Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded for more information on the general problem of articles that are too large after "expansion." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I started retiring referee flags (absolutely unnecessary). -12,154 at 2018–19 and -10,086 at 2019–20. I hope it helps. Asturkian (talk) 23:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I've (slightly) optimized {{Basketballbox collapsible}}, which made the post-expand include size of the 19/20 article go from 2,065,259 to 2,001,652 bytes, which means you've got just over 60KB more room on that article. I'm not sure if there's more optimizations available, I'm not that confident in my template-fu. HTH! rchard2scout (talk) 09:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
  Resolved
both pages now have runway, but the current season will need to be watched as it grows. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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