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"Season-by-season record" section in team pagesEdit

What does everyone think about the Season-by-season record sections on teams' pages? Some teams had these sections for a long time and on January 24 such sections were added to other teams' page that did not have them. I am wondering what value do they have to the overall quality on teams' pages, because they clearly mirror such sections used by the NHL teams' pages. Another problem would be WP:RSBREAKING since some editors tend to make updates during the season. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Seems like a case of recemtism: what makes the last five seasons so important? On the Lakers' article, it seems that the section which was just a link to List of Los Angeles Lakers seasons was expanded to include the last five seasons. This also creates more maintenance work to keep this updated every season. I'd suggest removing the entire section and adding the season list as a "see also" hatnote to the "Team history" section of each teams' article.—Bagumba (talk) 08:33, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
@Bagumba: We could ask Moka Mo (talk · contribs) but I doubt that any response will be given. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:36, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
FWIW, it seem to be done in hockey articles as far back as 2007. Still, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't necessarily a reason to replicate this.—Bagumba (talk) 09:53, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
You might have missed it, but I already mentioned the NHL pages when starting the discussion. There must have been some consensus to create such sections for NHL teams and the only mention about it that I found is this discussion. Nowhere in other old archives did I find any discussions about it. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:15, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I did see your NHL comment, which is what made me wonder if this was a recent phenomena or not.—Bagumba (talk) 10:36, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
The tables on NHL pages have been there for as long as I have been editing. If that discussion is correct, such tables were started to add when it appeared on one of the NHL team's page. However, as you already indicated, NBA (or any other page for that matter) should not replicate other leagues' pages. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Mavericks and BryantEdit

Can anyone else help me monitor the Mavericks' page? Because editors keep adding that Bryant's number is retired/will be retired when nothing about that was announced, which is a clear WP:OR violation by making assumptions. The Mavericks only said that the number will not be issued to their players and nothing was said about retiring it. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

This may be a lost cause. How do we normally deal with retired numbers? Do we wait for a formal ceremony? In this case, we at least have a statement from Cuban himself. And uses the phrase “to retire” in an official release [1] Zagalejo^^^ 20:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
@Zagalejo: We wait for a formal ceremony. The NBA with the addition of every other media outlet took Cuban's statement out of context. Nowhere did he say that "the Mavericks will retire the number 24 jersey". It is best to wait what Cuban meant exactly, because right now many people lost common sense. – Sabbatino (talk) 22:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't think Cuban's decree is fundamentally different from retiring a number. Realistically, you'll be fighting over this for months. The best thing to do may be to list the number with a footnote (though I know that's not really practical in a navbox.) Zagalejo^^^ 03:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
It's debatable. I'd recommend mentioning this disucssion at that talk page, and add a {{discuss}} template on the actual page if it gets re-added. There's a lot of sources calling it a retirement event if Cuban never used the word. I would wait for a presumed ceremony, or at least it being presented in some way like their other retired numbers (in the rafters? media guide? etc)—Bagumba (talk) 10:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism on 2019–20 team season pages performed by 佳峰Edit

User 佳峰 (talk · contribs) updates the regular season game logs on all 30 NBA teams' 2019–20 season articles on a daily basis, and their edits include numerous errors. Their errors range from not changing the links from on the Suns page, to frequently inserting wrong point totals, assists, and rebounds for the players. I have had to fix the incorrect content on a nightly basis, and it has gotten pretty ridiculous at this point. I elected not to leave a message on their talk page because they tend to blank their page after they receive warnings from other editors. Here are some examples from the past few pages where I have had to make corrections. ([2], [3], [4], [5]) There are way more than this, but these are the most recent ones. I am sure someone else can support my complaint about this situation. Yowashi (talk) 04:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@Yowashi: Could these be errors and not actually vandalism?—Bagumba (talk) 11:22, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I've also notified 佳峰 on their talk page about this discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 11:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yowashi: I elected not to leave a message on their talk page because they tend to blank their page There's nothing wrong with a user blanking their talk page if the comment gets addressed. I'd suggest always contacting the user directly first.—Bagumba (talk) 11:38, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
The problem with 佳峰 is that it blanks its talk page and just continues to edit. The editor does not even use the edit summary, which is disruptive to say the least. – Sabbatino (talk) 13:45, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I see that Yowashi has fixed more errors in 佳峰's latest edits. I've blocked them indefinitely until they are willing to discuss concerns raised. Everyone makes errors. This block is only to encourage discussion so an understanding can be reached on what is happening and what are reasonable expectations.—Bagumba (talk) 09:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
The only problem with 佳峰 being blocked from editing is that they were the only editor that updated the game logs on a nightly basis. Doesn't appear that anybody else is going to fill in for 佳峰. I updated the last couple days but, I would prefer to stick to updating the NHL stuff regularly and then make small edits to the NBA pages if necessary. Yowashi (talk) 07:54, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Is the blocked user even fluent in English? Spot-checking their edits, I can’t find any evidence that they can put a full sentence together in English. Their edits are mostly changes to numerical data and changes to single words/phrases. Perhaps someone could attempt to talk to the user in a different language? (Chinese, maybe? Sorry, I don’t recognize the characters in their username.) Zagalejo^^^ 19:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Differences in standings templatesEdit

I've noticed a discrepancy in different standings templates types. Should the new standings match the older ones? For examples see below the 05-06 vs 19-20:UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Southwest Division W L PCT GB Home Road Div
y-San Antonio Spurs 63 19 .768 - 34–7 29–12 13–3
x-Dallas Mavericks 60 22 .732 3 34–7 26–15 13–3
x-Memphis Grizzlies 49 33 .598 14 30–11 19–22 6–10
New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets 38 44 .463 25 24–17 14–27 7–9
Houston Rockets 34 48 .415 29 15–26 19–22 1–15
Southwest Division W L PCT GB Home Road Div GP
Houston Rockets 38 20 .655 0.0 21–8 17–12 7–4 58
Dallas Mavericks 36 23 .610 2.5 16–14 20–9 8–2 59
Memphis Grizzlies 28 30 .483 10.0 16–13 12–17 4–6 58
New Orleans Pelicans 25 33 .431 13.0 11–17 14–16 3–7 58
San Antonio Spurs 24 33 .421 13.5 14–13 10–20 3–6 57


# Western Conference
1 c-San Antonio Spurs 63 19 .768 -
2 y-Phoenix Suns 54 28 .659 9
3 y-Denver Nuggets 44 38 .537 19
2 x-Dallas Mavericks 60 22 .732 3
5 x-Memphis Grizzlies 49 33 .598 14
6 x-Los Angeles Clippers 47 35 .573 16
7 x-Los Angeles Lakers 45 37 .549 18
8 x-Sacramento Kings 44 38 .537 19
9 Utah Jazz 41 41 .500 22
10 New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets 38 44 .463 25
11 Seattle SuperSonics 35 47 .427 28
12 Golden State Warriors 34 48 .415 29
13 Houston Rockets 34 48 .415 29
14 Minnesota Timberwolves 33 49 .402 30
15 Portland Trail Blazers 21 61 .256 42
Western Conference
# Team W L PCT GB GP
1 Los Angeles Lakers * 44 12 .786 56
2 Denver Nuggets * 40 18 .690 5.0 58
3 Los Angeles Clippers 39 19 .672 6.0 58
4 Houston Rockets * 38 20 .655 7.0 58
5 Oklahoma City Thunder 36 22 .621 9.0 58
6 Utah Jazz 36 22 .621 9.0 58
7 Dallas Mavericks 36 23 .610 9.5 59
8 Memphis Grizzlies 28 30 .483 17.0 58
9 Portland Trail Blazers 26 33 .441 19.5 59
10 New Orleans Pelicans 25 33 .431 20.0 58
11 Sacramento Kings 24 33 .421 20.5 57
12 San Antonio Spurs 24 33 .421 20.5 57
13 Phoenix Suns 24 35 .407 21.5 59
14 Minnesota Timberwolves 17 40 .298 27.5 57
15 Golden State Warriors 12 46 .207 33.0 58

  • Personally I would like to see them match the current template.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

I'd want the NBA use most of the basketball world is using TBH. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:59, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Do you have an example?—Bagumba (talk) 05:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I think I made a mock table at the talk page of the previous season's article. It's for conference standings as the NBA does not publicize division standings any more, at least on social media.
Division standings are another thing as the stewards of the module are uninterested in adding columns for division, conference, home and away records. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:21, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
A mock-up is at Talk:2018–19 NBA season#New template. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:49, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Looks like the essential difference is a column for games played?—Bagumba (talk) 05:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Games played should've been right after the "Teams" column. Only Wikipedia has this at the rightmost column AFAIK. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:49, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

76ers–Bucks rivalryEdit

A Draft:76ers- Bucks Rivalry has been created about a "supposed" rivalry between the 76ers and Bucks. How do we deal with drafts? There is no rivalry between these teams and after making a search at Google it is clear that this is nothing more than WP:OR. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

You can review the draft by following Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions.—Bagumba (talk) 10:36, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I am not a reviewer so I cannot do that. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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