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Player position in the leadEdit

I think most of our bios don't even mention the position in the lead, but sometimes it's like at Nikola Jokić: "... is a Serbian professional basketball player for the Denver Nuggets of the National Basketball Association (NBA). The center is a ..." Does anyone have an issue if its in the lead sentence like some other sports' bios e.g. ... is a Serbian professional basketball player who is a center for the Denver Nuggets ...Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I am not fond of this proposal. In my opinion, we could continue listing it in two sentences as in the first example OR we could probably do like ice hockey pages do it – an American professional ice hockey right winger for the.... However, we would then get the WP:SEAOFBLUE issue with two consecutive links and this usage in ice hockey BLPs is inconsistent to this day since some just say an American professional ice hockey player for the...Sabbatino (talk) 08:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Aside from SEAOFBLUE, it just sounds informal to cram a sport in front of position.—Bagumba (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

So Stephen Curry currenty starts ... is an American professional basketball player for the Golden State Warriors of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He plays the point guard position. Many analysts and players have called him the greatest shooter in NBA history It seems a bit choppy for the second sentence to be so short just to state his position. It's not straight-forward for a drive-by editor to integrate it into the Many analysts ... sentence. Adding into the first sentence would makes it easy for a WP:GNOME to mechanically add it.—Bagumba (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I am not a fan of any of the propositions. In my opinion, the position should not be listed at all in the lead, because there are enough edit wars in the infoboxes by drive-by or new editors, and sockpuppets (you know who I have in mind). – Sabbatino (talk) 10:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I added the position to the Curry article and to the Chris Paul article. In Curry's article it can be reworded as "...Curry is an American professional basketball player who is a point guard for the Golden State Warriors..." or "...Curry is an American professional basketball point guard for the Golden State Warriors..." For both Curry and Paul, position is notable because they have been described as some of the greatest point guards in the league. As for edit wars, both Curry and Paul exclusively play the point guard position, and both articles are semi-protected. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 05:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
@Crossover1370: The sources and the sentence on Curry's page says Many analysts and players have called him the greatest shooter in NBA history. so no, he is not one of the best point guards. None of the analysts put him among the best point guards, because he is only good at shooting. And about edit wars – there is a known sockpuppet who creates a new account almost every week so this does not apply to only Paul and Curry. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
@Bagumba and Sabbatino: I am specifically talking about the cases of Curry and Chris Paul (CP3), since those are the articles I edited. In the case of Curry, the position is notable because point guards are generally thought of as playmakers and good ball-handlers, not necessarily good shooters as in the case of Curry. As for CP3, he has been described as the best point guard in the league (see the player profile section of his article). For players in which position is not a key part of their notability, or is ambiguous or disputed, position should not be included in the lead. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 21:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Crossover1370: It's a limitation, here, that notifications only work on new signed posts i.e. it won't work if you modify an old post like you did. Courtesy ping to SabbatinoBagumba (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Crossover1370: Your proposal would be ok if we had an editor-in-chief, but Wikipedia is crowd sourced. Drive-by editors won't catch the nuance of when to add or not. For me personally, I generally don't spend time adding it to the lead, but I don't actively remove them either. If someone does add it, my only wish is that it is elegantly integrated into the lead, not simple sentences like "He plays the point guard position".—Bagumba (talk) 03:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
I reworded the sentences in both the Curry and CP3 articles but then Sabbatino reverted those edits. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 05:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
@Crossover1370: Do not say that there is clear consensus when it is the opposite. The same is either done to all pages or none. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
For some players position is a core part of their notability; for others it is not. Sabbatino, do you believe that the positions should be added to all articles or none? Going down WP:WikiProject Basketball/Popular pages, several basketball player articles already have position in the lead: Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, Allen Iverson, Zion Williamson, James Harden, Chet Holmgren, Anthony Davis, Kevin Garnett, Muggsy Bogues, Dirk Nowitzki, Isiah Thomas, etc. Is there any guidelines for when or not to include position in the lead? Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 15:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
@Crossover1370: Whoever implemented the lead at Wilt's page should have consulted with someone from here before making the change. Regarding the positions – I am against of having it in the first sentence (current proposal). Having it in the second sentence is fine by me, but I agree that simply writing "He played as a point guard." is not perfect and it should be joined into other sentences, which mention the player's achievements or similar things. I already gave the lead's example used on ice hockey BLPs at the beginning of this discussion, but even that is not really perfect. In addition, player's height should not always be listed as each playing position has their usual height standards and only in very special cases it should be listed (shortest/tallest player, unusual height for specific position, etc). – Sabbatino (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
After I added "He plays the point guard position" on both the Curry and CP3 articles, I integrated the sentences: " an American professional basketball player who is a point guard for..." Then you, Sabbatino, reverted those edits. Are you now saying that you prefer these versions and you shouldn't have reverted them? Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 19:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
@Crossover1370: No, I am against these versions. I do not really see where you got the idea that I am in favor of them. In addition, you should know that you are supposed to start a discussion when you are first reverted per WP:BRD (you did this so that is good) and that WP:STATUSQUO should be preserved until the discussion is over. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Because you stated that I agree that simply writing "He played as a point guard." is not perfect and it should be joined into other sentences, which mention the player's achievements or similar things. My version integrated the sentences. I overlooked the part which said I am against of having it in the first sentence (current proposal). Would this be a better choice?
[Stephen Curry] is an American professional basketball player for the Golden State Warriors of the National Basketball Association (NBA). A point guard, many analysts and players have called him the greatest shooter in NBA history. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 19:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
That is better, but I still feel that there is room for improvement. In my opinion, Playing as a point guard, he is regarded as the greatest shooter in NBA history by many (this word could be omitted) analysts and players. But this is about all the players and not just Curry and Paul. If this is implemented then it should be done for every basketball BLP or none. Or this could be done on a case-by-base basis as Bagumba proposed earlier (I am still not sold on this at the moment but it can change). – Sabbatino (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I edited the Curry and CP3 articles because those are the articles I first came across (I could've edited many more). I explained in this thread why position is notable for both players. It seems that all three people in this discussion believe that "He plays the point guard position" is strange sentence structure. Bagumba and Sabbatino, in which cases do you think position should be included in the lead? Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 21:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Or this could be done on a case-by-base basis as Bagumba proposed earlier: Sabbatino, I think you are refering to Crossover1370 earlier writing: For players in which position is not a key part of their notability, or is ambiguous or disputed, position should not be included in the lead.Bagumba (talk) 12:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Pinging isento for their perspective, as they have modfied Chris Paul's position with a related rationale, including "avoid choppy too-short sentences".[1]Bagumba (talk) 04:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

How about "so-and-so is an American professional basketball player who plays the so-and-so position for the so-and-so's of the National Basketball Association"? If this hasn't been suggested already. isento (talk) 05:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Or "<player> is an American professional basketball <position> for the <team> of the National Basketball Association?" Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 05:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I think, in the spirit of WP:AUDIENCE, that we lead with the general descriptor of "basketball player" and then the more specialist-descriptor of position. I mean, neither version is wrong grammatically, but if I'm to be asked and forced to pick, I'd base it on some principle relevant to the reader and my own impression of what feels right here. isento (talk) 05:36, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
@Crossover1370: I already proposed this formation at the beginning of this discussion since it is used for ice hockey BLPs, but it was already indicated that this formation would not really help. – Sabbatino (talk) 05:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Standings tablesEdit

Now that the regular season is over, the Module:Sports table mock up still looks loads better than the current one. Plus you can add footnotes for tiebreakers easily. (People can't wrap their heads on how the Mavs, Blazers and Lakers tie was broken, for example.) 2020–21 NBA G League season even uses it to good effect. Perhaps updating to the 21st century is now a good idea? Howard the Duck (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Whatever the project decides, I would recommend that the tables for this season and historic seasons become overhauled to a consistent format.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
The format should have been changed years ago. I wonder why the current format—which was always obsolete—was kept. In addition, some standings templates seem to be broken and go to Category:National Basketball Association Eastern Conference standings templates or Category:National Basketball Association Western Conference standings templates instead of Category:National Basketball Association Conference standings templates. And I will also point out that every standings template from 1946–47 to 1969–70 should go to a different category, because Western/Eastern Division ≠ Western/Eastern Conference. The division title was always a regular season thing and the so called "Division Finals" were simply there to determine the teams that would play in the BAA/NBA Finals. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I think I introduced the qualification tables that we are now using, but we should change to either what the Stanley Cup playoffs is using (with minor changes), or use the standings tables. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry for not being able to easily change them all over a while back, as I was too busy with other stuff. I also wanted future templates moved to separate Eastern and Western Division categories, but any possible changes will most likely happen during the off-season, right after I finish assembling standings templates for the upcoming NBA and NHL seasons (and I haven't done that yet because it's unknown what changes, if there are any, will entail).
On that note, I've already thanked Sabbatino for moving all the conference templates to separate categories. –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 16:53, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
@Piranha249: I can easily move the Easter/Western division templates to new categories, but a name is needed for those categories. I do know that you do a lot of NHL stuff here and appreciate it but moving something to a new category is not hard even without specific tools. You can always ask me for help with such moves. – Sabbatino (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
You can go ahead now (links to Eastern and Western categories). –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 19:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
@Piranha249: Done. – Sabbatino (talk) 05:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Sabbatino, Two more things:
  • I'm requesting a template move of all standings so that they either use "Division" or "Conference" as a suffix, starting with the East and West Division standings (which do need an update, anyway).
  • When you said "even without specific tools," what exact tools can there be used to avoid situations like that in the future? –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 22:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
@Piranha249: I cannot remember the name of that tool, but I have seen other editors use it to change categories in pages, lists, templates, etc. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:19, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm indifferent, as I neither edit or look at these much.—Bagumba (talk) 06:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Stats table for player on two teams in same seasonEdit

I only noticed that there were some previous reverts on this.

This issue is a player that plays for more than one team in a season e.g. traded, waived, etc.

See Andre Drummond's table

There are two rows for 2020–21, one for Cleveland stats and one for the Lakers. The column for the season, however, take up two rows to show that it's the same season. There is no combining of the stats, per se. Is there an issue? Granted, it's not a widespread convention, but consensus can change, and it doesn't seem Earth shattering either way.

FWIW, Andrew Wiggins has had this format since January 2021.

@Sabbatino and Lyndon George: Your comments are welcome.—Bagumba (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I am opposed to such proposition. The {{nbay|2020|nolink=y}}, which produces "2020–21" (without link), will lose its purpose if we start combining the year column for same season. In addition, many pages will have to be changed and I am certainly not going to do that. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
"many pages will have to be changed": Sure, but there is no deadline. It's not a drastic change that will confuse anyone or look incredibly bizarre IMO. And I think it is an improvement, making it easier to see that they were on multiple teams in the same season.—Bagumba (talk) 07:56, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Play-in gamesEdit


There is an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 NBA Play-in Tournament. If the page is not kept, the topic has come up if the play-in games should be covered at 2020–21 NBA season#Play-in tournament or 2021 NBA Playoffs.—Bagumba (talk) 08:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

List of TEAM seasonsEdit

It would be good if someone fixed the "GB" stat in "List of TEAM seasons" pages (Template:NBA season-by-season team history for easier navigation from here), because almost all of them are incorrect and I am certainly not going to fix all of them myself. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "easier navigation"? Is there a good example vs. a bad one?—Bagumba (talk) 06:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I linked the template, which has all "List of TEAM seasons" pages so editors would not have to go to teams' pages to get there. In addition, what I meant by wrong "GB" stat is that most of them list the division "GB" instead of conference "GB". Just yesterday I had to fix all "GB" stats at List of Charlotte Hornets seasons and today done the same to List of Miami Heat seasons. For example, an editor has changed it from 10 (conference) to 9 (division) at List of Los Angeles Lakers seasons, which I reverted. In my opinion, we could just simply get rid of "GB" stat in "List of TEAM seasons" since it does not really add anything relevant to readers. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
My bad. Thanks for clarifying. I think that all the season lists that are FLs have a key that says GB refers to the division e.g. List of Los Angeles Lakers seasons ("Games behind first-place team in division"). The problem is that some of the non-FL ones I sampled don't specify it e.g. List of Sacramento Kings seasons. While the recent playoff changes since 2016 de-emphasize division winners, prior to that division winners were automatically the top seeds in the playoffs. So it all depends if we want to take the recent emphasis on GB being relative to the conference or historically it being relative to the division standings.—Bagumba (talk) 09:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I also don't have a problem removing GB altogther. The "Finish" column is enough.—Bagumba (talk) 10:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Article Rename request you may be interested inEdit

There is currently a RM at Talk:Mohamed Bamba#Requested move 18 May 2021 seeking consensus to rename article from Mohamed Bamba to Mo Bamba RedPatch (talk) 13:20, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Play-in games and coaching recordEdit

Vinnylospo (talk · contribs) is edit warring at Taylor Jenkins page and is certain that play-in games count as playoffs. He seems to be ignoring the fact or just refuses to get it. Could someone else tell him that play-in games do not count as neither regular season or playoffs? – Sabbatino (talk) 19:54, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Expand. And he is doing the same at Southwest Division (NBA)#Season results (other divisions included). – Sabbatino (talk) 20:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
The play-in stats dont count for regular season or playoffs.[2] You'll need to cite reliable sources to show otherwise.—Bagumba (talk) 01:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Other affected pages – 2019–20 Memphis Grizzlies season, 2020–21 Indiana Pacers season, 2020–21 Charlotte Hornets season, 2020–21 Golden State Warriors season (some new editor who has at least three accounts decided to start an edit war in the infobox), 2020–21 San Antonio Spurs season.

If they aren’t in the regular season, and if it’s “post” the season. It’s Postseason. How are we going to count this as? Exhibition games? No because these games actually have meaning. They are basically playoff games. The losers got eliminated just like in a playoff matchup. Vinnylospo (talk) 03:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Especially when on these games, they are listed as “playoff games” so please explain this. This sounds way too confusing. Don’t you think it would be easier if we just simplified this? Vinnylospo (talk) 03:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

How would this sound as a compromise. If we are not putting it as a playoff game, we should instead have its own separate section. Vinnylospo (talk) 03:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

There's currently 2020–21 NBA season#Play-in tournament. So it would follow to create a similar section in play-in teams' pages.—Bagumba (talk) 03:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
@Vinnylospo: The NBA quite clearly says that The Play-In Tournament, which will take place after the regular season and before the first round of the playoffs, will include the teams with the seventh-highest through the tenth-highest winning percentages in each conference.. And then there is this article from The Athletic. What is so hard to understand? It is clear that the "play-in" games are not part of neither the regular season or playoffs and none of the statistics are counted anywhere by the NBA. – Sabbatino (talk) 05:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

So, you are saying that despite these games counting, we should not have them count towards total wins and losses? I think we need to. Like it or not. Vinnylospo (talk) 13:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Vinnylospo: Please stop with WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT attitude. The NBA quite clearly said that the play-in games will be here for one season only – Prior to the start of the 2020-21 season, the NBA Board of Governors unanimously approved a proposal to implement a playoff Play-In Tournament on a one-year basis for the 2020-21 season. – and then will most likely be discontinued. And all other sources also indicate that the statistics for these games are not going to be recorded anywhere. Just wait until the 2021–22 season, because then we will see what they have to say about that. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Update. List of NBA playoff series has also been affected. I reverted the changes that indicated play-in games as playoff games. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Is is just me or is that page WP:NOTSTATS?—Bagumba (talk) 16:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
@Bagumba: I thought the same thing when I looked at it. It basically duplicates the information of "List of TEAM seasons" pages. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Interesting. I was wrongly under impression that "List of TEAM seasons" only listed their final playoff round, not each series. And some of those team lists are FLs. Go figure.—Bagumba (talk) 01:12, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Vinnylospo that play-in games should have their own section, separate from the sections for regular season games and playoff games. Play-in games are neither playoffs nor regular season games. Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 05:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Update The close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 NBA Play-in Tournament indicates that that the play-in tournament should not be treated as part of the playoffs.—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

pictures in NBA draft articlesEdit

Potential edit war going on in 2018 NBA draft. Whose pictures should be included? Some past articles include NBA All-Stars, etc. My contention is that for the last few years players haven't had the chance to develop into All-Stars and it’s Ok to keep top college players and high draft picks, so long as the pictures don’t extend beyond the table showing the draft order. Can we get consensus on this? Rikster2 (talk) 02:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC) Rikster2 (talk)

I'll wait to hear the counterargument. Generally per WP:NOCONSENSUS: a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit One person disagreeing with another does not generally result in a change.—Bagumba (talk) 01:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
What is your opinion on whose pictures should be shown on draft articles? To my knowledge, there has never been any consensus discussion to only include pictures of NBA award winners on draft articles, yet there has clearly been an effort to cut these back to this and it’s being guarded as if it were consensus, including deletion of pictures of the #1 overall pick in some articles. In reality, the pages with MORE pictures was the “original state,” and was so for years Rikster2 (talk) 03:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
... so long as the pictures don’t extend beyond the table showing the draft order: For my screen, pics from draftee Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and after spill over to the undrafted section.—Bagumba (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive additions of templates?Edit

Does anyone else think that Jgwilliams873 (talk · contribs) is being disruptive by adding {{Lead too short}}, {{Update}}, {{Expand section}} and other maintenance templates to NBA-related BLPs and other pages? – Sabbatino (talk) 11:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

The bigger issue is tagging for article updates on players/coaches who have been retired for years and for whom there really isn't anything new to report. Rikster2 (talk) 13:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I left a notice on their talk page about this discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey! I'm so sorry if you thought I was being disruptive. I assure you I'm not trying to be. I'm just trying to help fix some of these older articles. Even if the subjects are retired, I think it is unfair that they don't possess more information like "hot", "young" players today. I was adding the tags to these articles to draw the attention of fellow editors, in the hopes that they might add missing sections with information like "Early Life", "Personal Life", or "Head Coaching Record". I just wanted these older guys to get some love by having their articles expanded. Jgwilliams873 (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
@Jgwilliams873: It is almost impossible to update the majority of retired player and coach pages. In some instances we can hardly find anything else than information from some statistics database. So just blindly adding tags everywhere is not the solution. In addition, you should look for information yourself and update the pages accordingly and when you run out of sources – then add the maintenance templates. Your edits at the moment look like WP:TENDENTIOUS, which is one of WP:DISRUPTSIGNS. – Sabbatino (talk) 17:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
The language in Template:Update makes it appropriate for subjects where there are recent notable things that have happened to them since the time the article was last substantially edited (player has changed teams and it isn't documented in the prose, etc). Players and coaches whose careers are over and who are largely out of the public eye shouldn't have this tag, it should have an expansion tags like Template:Stub (if the article is a stub). Rikster2 (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
This guy added the aforementioned tag to FIBA tournaments that happened almost 70 years ago(!!!) It was obvious this guy doesn't know what he is doing. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
{{update}} also says "Do not mark an article as needs updating, without a reason, unless it is very obvious." Otherwise, a reason should be specified or a talk page discussion should be linked.—Bagumba (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Excessive details at Nikola JokićEdit

I have added {{Overly detailed}} to Nikola Jokić's page, which was removed based on WP:AADP#Personal taste. I feel like the 2020–21 season section should be trimmed down since it has a lot of fancruft. In addition, the lead has four references for one fact (NBA MVP) when MOS specifically says that there should not really be any references in the lead in most cases. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe that the 2020–21 season section should stay as it is. It is somewhat longer than previous sections, but the material added is not excessive, and exhibits only the most important information regarding accomplishments throughout a truly historic season. This same season would lead to an NBA MVP award, therefore giving further importance to the events which led to the honor. Many personal and league-wide accomplishments were achieved by Nikola Jokić during his MVP run, and only those instances were included. There is no superfluous content. As for the lead and the excessive use of references, I'm sure that there could be a less drastic solution. Possibly leaving one main reference(, if any. The information is referenced in the following sections of the article, so maybe no references are needed in this specific case. Docholliday11 (talk) 00:25, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

I’m not sure it’s too bad, but I’d be careful of chronicling too many individual games. Individual games over an 82-game season are rarely all that notable in the grand scheme of things. But some of the info about things like triple doubles and historic achievements sem appropriate and by and large are well sourced. Rikster2 (talk) 00:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Sounds good, I'll definitely keep that in mind. Thank you. Docholliday11 (talk) 01:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
It is long, even moreso if I wasn't a basketball fan. For starters, remove any games that's only a stat line and doesn't involve anything otherwise notable. There's a few regular season games like that, and pretty much the whole playoffs. We ideally want to summarize, not go into individual games minutiae. Next, if a career high is set multiple time in a season, just mention the last one. The rest is a tougher call on making an editorial decision. There's a lot of SportCenter-like factorids like 8th birthday triple-double or first person with 45–15–8 since X in YYYY year that become exhausting for an accomplished player. See LeBron James for reference—it's a GA.—Bagumba (talk) 05:32, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. I'll do my best to work through the section and make some adjustments.Docholliday11 (talk) 07:54, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
As discussed, I started trimming down the section, removing some less notable events. I'm still making some decisions on what else I might be able to adjust. Also, I'm waiting for their postseason run to end before creating an adequate playoff summary.Docholliday11 (talk) 04:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Another option with the Denver-specific items would be to move some of the less notable ones to 2020–21 Denver Nuggets season, where there is more leeway for details related to the season and team.—Bagumba (talk) 10:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I've decided to follow your previous advice and made some tougher editorial decisions, removing everything except for the events of utmost importance. The current condensed version is much more enjoyable to read than it was previously. Now I'm just waiting for the end of the playoffs to create a shortened summary of his postseason. Thank you for your guidance.Docholliday11 (talk) 11:53, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding one of the most recent edits to the 'Player profile' section, another editor added his career averages, height/weight, and position. I'm not quite sure if the added content belongs in that section considering it is already properly presented in 'NBA career statistics'(career averages), as well as the infobox (height/weight, position). What are your thoughts on whether or not the addition is an overall improvement? Your input would be greatly appreciated.Docholliday11 (talk) 21:39, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Disregard my latest post. I noticed that similar content is present in the 'Player Profile' section of other players throughout the league as well.Docholliday11 (talk) 06:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
On the nitpicky side, I'd say steals and blocks for him are minor and would leave those for the stats table.—Bagumba (talk) 07:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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