Talk:Portal (video game)

Requested move 27 February 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. clear consensus that the 2007 video game is a primary topic even for this disambiguated term (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 16:40, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

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Portal (video game) → Portal (2007 video game) – Current disambiguation is incomplete and conflicts with the 1986 game of the same name. Moving the page would remove the need for a hatnote on the pages. The older game is undoubtedly notable and got numerous magazine reviews. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Oppose This Portal is far far more well-known and influential and clearly would be the game associated with "portal video game". I note the other was at "(interactive novel)" which avoided the conflict until Zxcvbnm just moved it now. --Masem (t) 15:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Oppose per Masem. I am sure most of the people searching for Portal video game are looking for this page rather than the one about the game released in 1986. OceanHok (talk) 15:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per being the WP:PRIMARY topic between the two games. The 1986 game can have the year in title. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 16:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Support per nom. There really is no downside in making titles clearer to our readers, with the added benefit of verifying that incoming links do not go to the wrong page, when the page is already disambiguated. Readers are going to search for "Portal" and not "Portal (video game)" so the additional year doesn't impede any search. Gonnym (talk) 19:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Portal is unambiguously the WP:Primarytopic for a video game named Portal. For above, readers will actually search for "Portal video game". Neocorelight (Talk) 04:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC) 21:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Oppose per above (WP:Primary) ― Levi_OP^Talk 13:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per above, I believe the 2007 game is PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 18:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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Portal (video game) → Portal (2007 video game) – for disambiguation relative to Portal (series) and other topics. The series is a video game franchise that includes other Portal video games including Portal: Still Alive and Portal 2 as well as the 2007 video game. There is also ambiguity with Portal (video game element) and Portal (1986 video game). This seems like it has similar issues as for the recent discussion that resulted in moving Donkey Kong (video game) to Donkey Kong (arcade game) after the discussion recorded at Talk:Donkey Kong (arcade game)#Requested move 17 April 2023 about ambiguity for its franchise. This article has only a 2:1 pageview ratio relative to the video game series article. A previous RM was closed as not moved on 6 March 2022, but ambiguity with the video game franchise article was not mentioned in that RM. If the just-closed RMs at Talk:Kingdom Come (German band)#Requested move 14 May 2023 and Talk:Yogi (2009 Tamil film)#Requested move 14 May 2023 indicate that 7:1 is not enough to justify a PDAB, then 2:1 surely isn't. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The 2007 Portal is clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC when it comes to a video game named Portal. This isn't like the DK move where there are multiple games within the franchise (and thus fighting for PRIMARYTOPIC) named the same. --Masem (t) 17:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. There's also the element of portals from the videogame series, which I would hazard is the primary topic instead of the game it is featured in -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 23:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Masem, with the additional oppose to the idea that the gameplay concept of 'portals' is a greater primary topic over the 2007 game, especially since that concept doesn't even have an article as it's not independently notable. Additionally, nothing has changed since this was last proposed only a year or so again, which was a clear consensus. -- ferret (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  I don't understand what you mean by saying there isn't an article about "the gameplay concept of 'portals'". There is Portal (video game element), a.k.a. Warp (video games). Are you saying that since the title of that article does not use the word "portal", it doesn't need to be considered? As described in WP:DAB, "The fact that an article has a different title is not a factor in determining whether a topic is primary." Disambiguation is a matter of confusable topics, not just titles – e.g., there is no article entitled Hurricane, but that's an important topic, and there is also no article entitled Bombay or Peking or Danzig, but a lot of people live in those places. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

  Actually, it's just that I literally searched this article for such a link and didn't come across it, so I didn't go digging through various disambiguations independent of that. Fascinating that the Warp article uses Portal as a direct example yet doesn't have a link at all on this page. -- ferret (talk) 00:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

  I see. It was mentioned in the third sentence of my offered rationale for the RM: "There is also ambiguity with Portal (video game element) ..." It should presumably also be mentioned in this article, although it doesn't seem to be. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

  Eyeballs slide pass things sometimes :) I mostly was replying to the IP, after searching the article and coming up nil. I'd still absolutely disagree that the game play element is primary topic. -- ferret (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Per nom. The 1986 video game is notable as well, so it's nonsensical that it's not being properly disambiguated. We aren't talking about a game with unclear notability here. Confusion should be avoided as much as possible and it's entirely believable people will be WP:SURPRISEd when looking for the 1986 one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:52, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  But there is PRIMARYTOPIC, and I bet that if you asked a number of gamers about video games named "Portal", a majority (if not a near-unanimity) would only name Valve's Portal. The surprise is mitigated with the hatnote to the other 1986 portal on this page. Masem (t) 01:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

  It is not just a matter of video games named "Portal", but also things called "portal" / "Portal" in the context of video games. Disambiguation terms often identify a context. For example, James Baldwin (baseball) and Jim Carey (basketball) are sports players, not balls. So asking about "video games named 'Portal'" is not sufficient. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

  It seems to me that the 2007 Portal game is the primary topic when talking about portals in games generally, though. Popcornfud (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: I forgot to mention that this is a case of WP:INCOMPLETEDAB / WP:PARTIALDAB. The threshold for primary topic status in cases of partial disambiguation is especially high – much higher than for topics that have no disambiguation term appended. The usual canonical example of such a case is Thriller (album). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

  The Thriller case absolutely supports keeping this article at "Portal (video game)", because the only other Portal video game is very obscure, while this Portal has entered the mass pop culture. Masem (t) 03:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per PRIMARYTOPIC. It's not uncommon for a newer work to completely overshadow an older work for the primary name. Or any other associated media for this game. If anything, now there's even more coverage of the title for RTX release. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 13:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The original Portal seems to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here, whether we consider the Portal series, other video games with the title "Portal", or portals in video games generally. Popcornfud (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This game is definitely the primary topic when compared to the 1986 game. DFlhb (talk) 18:14, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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Regent Bakery, Portal, and The cake is a lie

See also: Talk:Regent_Bakery_and_Cafe § Portal_and_The_cake_is_a_lie

I've recently created Regent Bakery and Cafe. I'm struggling with how to expand the entry re: Portal and the Internet meme The cake is a lie. Both articles reference Regent, and I'm confident all three topics should be covered in each, but I'm not exactly sure what's best. Hoping editors watching this page might be interested in helping out via article improvements and talk page feedback. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Aperture Science redirect?

In the Half-Life page, the Black Mesa Research facility has its own page, but not Aperture Science. Please explain why this is the case. Mrman19 (talk) 14:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)