Talk:October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel

Disambiguation

@Fuzheado: See WP:NAMB. Hatnotes are not for related articles. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

That's not exactly that relevant guideline to this situation. The reason why that disambig is valid is because that article used to be called "2024 Iranian strikes against Israel" which can cause a lot of confusion. - Fuzheado | Talk 01:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

No. A user will arrive on this article through a link to another page, which would have already clarified that this occurred in October, or by searching up this title. There is no confusion here. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello. I'm Noam from Israel. Yesterday I was taking shelter from the rockets from Iran to my country Israel. I live in Jerusalem. I'd like to help you guys with improving the article, but because of the protection, I cant. Can you explain how to send an edit request? I'm new to wikipedia. Noam Atadgy (talk) 02:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Use {{edit extended-protected|October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel}} Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Noam,

I would like to comment and say you will very likely not receive ECP access. This talk page allows you to ask ECP users and request that a particular topic or a correction be made. Just post what you want here and a ECP user will review it and choose to add it if need be. 192.184.149.115 (talk) 06:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Add maybe, something like, "The war had led to extreme depression, anxiety, frustration, anger and fear for the israeli people"? Noam Atadgy (talk) 14:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Sportsnut24: I hope you don't mind, I inserted the word "Use" before the edit request template and referenced the template with Tlx, so the template is named rather than displayed. It makes no sense to display the template without an actual request. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Add maybe, something like, "The war had led to extreme depression, anxiety, frustration, anger and fear for the israeli people"?? Noam Atadgy (talk) 14:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

First of all you need a WP:RS that says this. Secondly, war is generally considered to be viewed negatively by the involved populations to the point that what you claim is generally assumed. If the war caused widespread elation among the population that would certainly be noteworthy, but simply saying that it led to (an apparently typical) amount of "depression, anxiety, frustration, anger and fear" is not. This is fully expected and readers can find this covered in the Effects of War article. JSory (talk) 04:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Attack on Mossad headquarters, Nevatim and Hatzerim air base

The Iranian media reports an attack on Mossad headquarters, Nevatim and Hatzerim Air Force Bases, as well as [anti-missile] radars and groups of Israeli tanks. Is there any confirmation of such statements? https://en.mehrnews.com/news/222293/Iran-to-hit-all-Israel-infrastructures-if-Zionists-not-curbed There is also information that the Iron Dome was ineffective against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles. This should be mentioned in the article 91.210.248.204 (talk) 08:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Mehr News is not saying whether the targets were hit or not, it is just quoting Major General Bagheri's statements. Mehr News is not wrong about anything, since it didn't report on anywhere actually being hit or targeted, but was only quoting a general.

There is some confirmation that these targets where hit.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/04/nx-s1-5140058/satellite-images-dozens-iranian-missiles-struck-near-israeli-air-base

https://www.turkiyetoday.com/region/how-will-strike-on-nevatim-air-base-affect-israels-military-ops-61015/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/hezbollah-gloats-as-iranian-missiles-hit-nevatim-hatzerim-bases-that-house-f-15-f-35-jets-101727863488331.html

While there is no report to say the attacks actually hit Mossad's headquarters, there is confirmation that some missiles landed near it, (and they could have possibly caused damage but I've seen no source that confirms this yet.)

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-10-1-24-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/23-missiles-reportedly-hit-nevatim-and-tel-nof-military-bases-during-iran-attack/ Viral weirdo (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Lede

@PrimaPrime: Can you explain why you reordered the paragraphs lede in which it now speaks first of interceptions then about missile impacts? [1] Makeandtoss (talk) 09:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

That would be called "chronological order". PrimaPrime (talk) 17:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I disagree and have reverted. The focus oof this article is on the strikes, not their interceptions, so the priority for the second lede paragraph is for the strikes. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Better to wait for more opinions. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Additional target of Iranian Strikes

I propose that the Hatzerim Airbase be added to the list of Iranian targets during the attacks. CrazyFruitBat911 (talk) 20:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

New Youtube video

I just came across this video on youtube. I don't know if this could be helpful to the article? G-13114 (talk) 21:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Houses damaged in Hod Sharon outcome section

I don't understand why a restaurant is more important than 100 houses, in a way that collateral damage to the restaurant gets included on the fact-file template, but the houses don't. Can someone clarify that? Viral weirdo (talk) 08:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a reference saying that 100 houses were damaged? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Hungary's reaction

There is no mention of Hungary's reaction to Iran's attack on Israel. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban publicly condemned Iran's actions on Twitter and expressed support for Israel. We can read here: https://hungarytoday.hu/iranian-attack-prompts-viktor-orban-to-summon-national-security-cabinet/ Adijos08 (talk) 08:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done, see this edit. You did not specify the wording, so please respond if you think I did not add Hungary's reaction the way you envisioned that the reaction should be added. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 17:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 21 October 2024

October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel → October 2024 Iranian strikes into Israel – The difference between using "into" and "against" is clear; "into" implies precision strikes targeting certain sites, while "against" imply indiscriminate bombing. While the April 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel could be argued as indiscriminate due to the use of several types of non-precision projectiles such as drones, clearly this was not the case for the September incident which exclusively used highly precise ballistic missiles as evidenced by the bombing of airbases. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: I'm not sure I agree with nominator's distinction that "against" implies indiscriminate whereas "into" implies targeted, but assuming that this distinction is an accurate distinction, since the vast majority of the missiles were shot down, we don't really know what the targets were. Given the large quantity of targets, it is possible (if not likely) that the targets were wide ranging, making the attack as a whole indiscriminate. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 16:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: Something's a bit off in grammar and/or syntax. Borgenland (talk) 17:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

That's another good point. Iran launched misiles into Israel. Iran could have struck inside Israel if it planted bombs inside Israel, but the proposed name "strikes into Israel" makes no gramatical sense. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 17:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Change to on: I think on is a much more fluid and clear name than "into" or "against". Also, the page on the retaliation strikes against Iran used the word "on". TheFloridaMan (talk) 02:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Nom's claims about "against" and "into" are wrong, so hardly "obvious". Srnec (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. "October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel" sounds more natural than "October 2024 Iranian strikes into Israel". RedactedHumanoid (talk) 20:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Consensus against "into" has formed. Need additional time to see if consensus for "on" forms or if consensus will settle on the current title. Bensci54 (talk) 16:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Indifferent: I think either "against" or "on" are equally good. —The Mountain of Eden (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Weak Support to change "against" to "on", consistent with the article on the counterstrike, October 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran. The reason my support is weak is that it is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. They were clearly strikes "against" or "on" Israel; I find the renaming argument unconvincing. Whizkin (talk) 20:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  So you are indifferent to the question whether to use the word "against" or "on"? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

A typo in a Jpost article, leading to misinformation

The Jpost article said the attacks caused 150 billion shekels worth of damage which is equal to about 50 million dollars worth of damage. This is quite obviously a typo considering that the currency exchanges are only true if you replace "Billion" with "Million". Also, 150 billion shekels is more than Israel's entire military budget which makes me think that it didn't likely lose that much The ultimate editorxyzyazz (talk) 13:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done. See this edit (ignoring the less than optimal edit summary). The Mountain of Eden (talk) 18:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)