Talk:Mikiyo Ōno

Requested move 12 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per spurious rationale. There is a final h in Japanese. It depends on the convention used for transcription. — kwami (talk) 21:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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(non-admin closure)

Mikiyo Ohno → Mikiyo Ōno – deprecated spelling, there is no finial h in Japanese Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 00:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support as per Kintetsubuffalo's reason Cherryblossom1982 (talk) 18:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

• True that it's "deprecated spelling, there is no finial h in Japanese" but it's allowable if the subject herself uses that spelling. Any evidence of English usage? —  AjaxSmack  18:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose "Mikiyo Ohno" is used in Japan [1][2][3] but I don't see the proposed form being used, the form "Ono" seems to be rarer than "Ohno", but I didn't see usage for "Ōno" -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 07:16, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Our style is to follow Modified Hepburn "in all cases." See WP:Manual_of_Style/Japan-related_articles#Romanization. Fernando Safety (talk) 12:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "in all cases, excepting those cases where another romanization is determined to be in common usage in reliable sources". 67.70 already pointed to WP:RS which use the "Ohno" spelling; do you have any which use the "Ōno" spelling? 58.176.246.42 (talk) 05:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I have clicked on the all the links that have been given in this discussion. None of it is even close to English-language RS. Almost all of it is Japanese-language material. Only one link leads to an English-language page, and that's a sales entry. Furthermore, it is conflicted on this issue. I quote: "Ohno Mikiyo Singles Complete: Mikiyo Ono." Hepburn without the macrons is not an alternative romanization! It represents a technical difficulty. In short, I hardly think the current form qualifies as a "common" name. Under the guideline, Modified Hepburn is the default. It doesn't require RS to justify it. Fernando Safety (talk) 23:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support. per en.wikipedia MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per en.wikipedia MOS unless someone presents evidence that Ōno is the most common spelling. A search for her Japanese name on Worldcat [4] yields four published photobooks [5][6][7][8] (warning: not exactly SFW, particularly the last two), and an album [9] which all use "Ohno" on their covers. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 05:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Additionally, Worldcat Identities (clearly in English, and non-commercial) has her under "Ohno" not "Ōno" [10]. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 02:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:UE, and probably a variety of further policies. Red Slash 20:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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