Talk:Leah LaBelle

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Pre-FAC comments

Hi there! I totally forgot to continue looking at this article after assessing its images at Wikipedia:Peer review/Leah LaBelle/archive3. To compensate for that, I'll leave some thoughts here (better late than never):

• The lead's first two paragraphs use "she" a bit much. Try to replace at least one instance from each with her surname for more pronoun diversity.

• Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 01:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Does "distributed to only record companies" mean the albums were never available for purchase or streaming?

• The sample album was never released for the public. At the time, I thought it was such an odd strategy. It seemed like the record label focused on establishing a solid reputation/foundation for LaBelle within the industry, which you would think they would do prior to releasing singles with music videos. The singles are available for purchase and streaming, but not the rest of the album. You can find all the songs on YouTube (though they are not official releases) and for some reason, they are on her SoundCloud account (which again a very odd choice). Aoba47 (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Within a hidden note for the 1986–2004 section, your use of "changed her name to Leah LaBelle" is misleading when (as far as I can tell) her full name was always legally "Leah LaBelle Vladowski"

• That is a good point. Thank you for bringing it. I put in the note as I was uncertain if I needed to explain why LaBelle did not by Leah Vladowski (which she did in her early American Idol appearances), but that might be unnecessary as it is rather obvious. Do you think I should just remove the note. I was probably just over-thinking things. Aoba47 (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Under the 2004–2010 period, "isn’t" from "music isn’t everything being synthesized" should be "isn't" per MOS:CURLY

• Thank you for pointing this out. I am really bad with this in particular. Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 01:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• From 2010–2018, "LaBelle reunited with Heard in 2017 during the 59th Annual Grammy Awards; he said that she was going through a "dark period" due to her inability to release new music following the poor commercial performance of her singles." is quite a mouthful! I recommend separating it by turning the semi-colon into a period. After that, try to reword this so "He" isn't used to start two consecutive sentences.

• That is very true. I have revised it with your suggestions in mind. Aoba47 (talk) 01:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Within "Death and aftermath", use the full name of Potter's House Christian Fellowship, and can you use something more definitive than "reportedly" for the "LaBelle was reportedly recording new music" bit?

• I actually removed the link as it goes to an article on a Pentecostal church in Prescott, Arizona while this instance is about a Catholic church in Los Angeles. I have revised that to hopefully clarify that. I have removed the "LaBelle was reportedly recording new music" bit as I could not find any further information about it and it reads more like complete speculation on the source's part as they do not go into any further depth about this. Aoba47 (talk) 01:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "Singles, as primary artist" should be "Singles as a primary artist" or "Singles as a lead artist"

• Revised. Thank you for pointing this out. Aoba47 (talk) 01:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Avoid using TMZ as a citation (I'm sure you can find something better than that)

• I have removed TMZ and The Blast. At the time, they were the only outlets that I could find to support this information as all the other coverage on LaBelle's death said she was married to Butler. But, I believe the two obituaries are solid enough to support this information on their own. Aoba47 (talk) 01:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Best of luck for any future FA nomination! It overall looks very well compiled and shouldn't have too much trouble passing. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:41, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for your comments/help! I really do appreciate it. I will look through and address all your points later today. I hope you are doing well and have a great weekend so far. Aoba47 (talk) 22:27, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

• @SNUGGUMS: Thank you again for your help. I have addressed all of your points. I do have a quick question about the note regarding her name and whether or not it is necessary in the article. I have requested a GOCE copy-edit for the article so hopefully that will help to smooth out some parts of the prose. I am cautiously optimistic about my FAC chances with this article, but I am looking forward to stepping somewhat outside of my comfort zone. Aoba47 (talk) 01:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• My pleasure, and "decided to use Leah LaBelle as her name" is definitely a better choice for that hidden note on how she switched from using her legal surname. I just made one little fix here and personally think this ready for FAC whenever you decide to go for that. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for the edit. One of these days, I will get the hang of MOS:CURLY lol. I will let you know when I put this article up for a FAC, which will be sometime in the near-ish future. Aoba47 (talk) 02:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Drugs and alchohol levels

I've edited the lead to reflect the fact that it was not the subject who lost control of the car under the influence of drink and drugs, but her partner. The relevant section on the subject also gives the alchohol and drugs levels of both the driver and the subject. The former is relevant but the latter seems an unecessary detail which lends a pejorative and censorious edge to the article. I would like to edit that part but am leaving this comment instead to see if any other editors have a view. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 12:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Thank you for the edit to the lead. It is best to be as clear as possible so I understand wanting to remove any ambiguity about how was driving the car that day. I included that information on LaBelle's alcohol and drugs levels to be as comprehensive as possible and since this information was reported about in the news. I would of course appreciate discussion and different points of view, but I would think it would be odd to intentionally leave out her information as it would create a gap. I genuinely do not view it as "pejorative and censorious", but rather as just including all the information as brought up in the coverage on the incident. Aoba47 (talk) 17:45, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  I agree with Emmentalist, but if it received equal coverage it's just as notable. Leaving it out, since she's deceased, feels a little bit like trying to right a great wrong. 172.56.104.160 (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  I do understand the argument against including this information and I understand that it is a sensitive matter. I did not include this information to present the subject matter in a negative light by any means. That was never my intention. I am really enjoy LaBelle's music and still go back to some of her YouTube covers as well as the songs from her posthumous EP.

  The information about LaBelle's alcohol and drugs levels were discussed in the coverage on her death (to the point that the National Post focused on it in an article headline). I think intentionally leaving this information out would create a gap of information. The article should include all the information as discussed in the coverage. Again, though, I am more than willing to listen to other perspectives, and it is important to have discussions on sensitive matters like this one. I am not experienced with biography articles, but I do think there's a strong case to include this information. Aoba47 (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)