Talk:It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 15:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

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1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   This artcile is well written and compies sufficiently with the MoS

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   The article is well referenced, all on-line sources check out, all appear to be reliable sources, I assume good faith for off-line sources.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Broad and focussed

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Fair

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Stable

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Congratulations on a well written, researched article. I couldn't really find any faults. Arguably the prose could do with the odd tweak here and there, but nothing at all serious. Passing as a GA. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

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Why wasn't Eric Anderson among those possible whom the song was about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.3.202 (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dont Look Back version?

Dylan famously plays the song for Donovan in the documentary film Dont [sic] Look Back. Where does this 1965 hotel room performance fit into the development and history of the song? Donovan appears to be hearing it for the first time while members of Dylan’s entourage can be heard joining him on the refrain. Was this before or after he recorded it for the album? If it was after, was it before it’s release? Or was this a staged interaction for the camera, in the manner that the press fabricated aspects of the Dylan/Donovan rivalry for the film? Morganfitzp (talk) 11:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Baby blue expression meaning

Alongside speculating who the Baby Blue could be, it would be good to explain first the generic meaning of the expression "baby blue", for not all readers know it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.249.196.187 (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Which is? Or do you mean as in "pale blue"? Neither the Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable or the Mirriam-Webster dictionary list "baby blue" as an expression though. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 00:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

songcover

Can anyone see why I shouldn't remove the listed song that don't meet WP:SONGCOVER?

The Byrds June/August confusion

So the liner notes of Never Before says this, "While he was gone, the Byrds and Jim Dickson produced this version of the Dylan classic and rushed an acetate to radio station KRLA, announcing it as their next single." Followed later by, "We have not been able to find the original multi-track, and this version comes from a rough mono mix, modified to make it more compatible with the rest of the album." (Source). To me, this would indicate that the version on Never Before is the August recording, as the track by track break down text ignores the June recording, which is not mentioned at until the reprinted session details at the end. Basically this seems to contradict what the article states, that the first recording is on Never Before and the withdrawn single version has never been released. Can anybody check the Johnny Rogan book used as a reference? Max Nardi (talk) 04:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey Max Nardi, thanks for flagging this. It's all a little bit confusing where this song is concerned, but having consulted the most up-to-date sessionography in Johnny Rogan's Requiem for the Timeless, along with the relevant text from the book itself, and Christopher Hjort's So You Want To Be A Rock 'n' Roll Star: The Byrds Day-By-Day (1965-1973), the liner notes of the Columbia/Legacy CD reissue of Turn! Turn! Turn! etc, it appears that the Wiki article is right.

According to Rogan, the Byrds recorded "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" with Terry Melcher on 28th June 1965 for a Columbia Records sales convention in Miami, and it is this version which appears on Never Before, the Columbia/Legacy reissue of Turn! Turn! Turn!, the Byrds' box set etc. Rogan says in Requiem for the Timeless that the band later re-cut the song with Jim Dickson at an undocumented session, after they'd come back from a British tour in August 1965, and it is this version which was subsequently played on KRLA as the band's new single. However, while Hjort agrees that it is the 28th June 1965 version that appears on Never Before and the expanded CD version of Turn! Turn! Turn!, he makes no mention at all of a second version having been recorded in late August 1965 (but it definitely happened because the whole session tape for it appeared on an early '90s bootleg called Journals).

So yeah, having re-checked, I think that the article is correct: the version of "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" on Never Before and elsewhere is not the version that was played on KRLA, as that would have been the 2nd version from Aug 1965. Many thanks! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

• There are several uncited statements.
• There are lots of one-sentence paragraphs which were not in the article when this passed GAN. Is all of this information notable? Can all of this information be merged together into multi-sentence paragraphs?
• IMDB is used as a source, which is considered unreliable. Can another source be found to replace these?

Is anyone interested in addressing these concerns, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

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Result pending

There are several uncited statements. There are lots of one-sentence paragraphs which were not in the article when this passed GAN. Is all of this information notable Can all of this information be merged together into multi-sentence paragraphs? IMDB is used as a source, which is considered unreliable. Can another source be found to replace these? Z1720 (talk) 02:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Can we not just roll it back to an older version or trim out the unsourced/poorly sourced stuff? It doesn't strike me as insurmountable personally, especially considering I doubt there's many recent/new developments to be retained in a song like this... Sergecross73 msg me 02:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The GA version from 2010 also used IMDB as a source, so that would need to be resolved. The uncited stuff could be trimmed out, but some of it might be necessary in the article for it to be complete: I'll let subject-matter experts decide that. Z1720 (talk) 02:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)