Talk:Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning

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Moved

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Requested move 28 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved(non-admin closure) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 08:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning → HVAC – Previous move requests from 2013 and 2016 found no consensus for the move made here. Calidum 03:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

The redlink '2013' should be to Talk:Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning/Archive 1. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

• @Calidum: As pointed out before, the full name is clearer than an acronym (which can also mean high-voltage alternating current). See discussions hereinabove and in Talk:Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning/Archive 1. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
• Not convinced that previous discussions were based on WP:TITLE, so happy to let @Vsmith: move stand, Strong oppose acronym per WP:CRITERIA and WP:WORLDVIEW. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:37, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
• Neutral – Most readers are likely to get to this article from searching HVAC, and it's a common acronym in America, however as a foreigner who has had to repeatedly look up this acronym, the long title is way more clear to me. – Þjarkur (talk) 20:45, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
• Opposed – This has been discussed more than once before, and did not gain sufficient support. The current title is more useful and descriptive than the proposed acronymic title. Reify-tech (talk) 20:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Strictly for educational value, the acronym should be spelled-out in the title (and lead line). The tie between the phrase and the acronym just isn't very strong (see WP:ACRONYMTITLE). -- Netoholic @ 01:22, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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A description needed

How would one describe, or classify the airspace in a boxcar or covered goods wagon called "ventilation" in UIC classification of goods wagons#International index letters Peter Horn User talk 01:38, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 3 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning → HVAC – This was attempted before, but I think it is worthwhile to make a new attempt. Per MOS:ACROTITLE, this abbreviation is primarily used for this subject and the subject is known primariliy by its abbreviation. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Here is a link to the previous discussion. It looks like one guy wrote oppose, but agreed with the name change (I think he was confused about what the vote was about). Also, as you mention, MOS:ACROTITLE wasn't a thing back then. Also, a quick search in Google Scholar even seems to agree that most academic literature appears to use the word HVAC, and news articles use the word HVAC as well. Fephisto (talk) 12:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose not in UK it isn't. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Why on earth would we move something away from an obvious and clear title to a term only likely to be commonly used by those in the industry? Maybe not in America (although I can't believe the acronym is commonly known even there), but certainly in other countries. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

  Because the title of the article is practically an entire sentence? Fephisto (talk) 02:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  And your point is? It's still a lot shorter than many other titles. It's clear and unambiguous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  You're going through customs. The form asks for your profession. You write down "Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning?" They're going around the room asking people for their professions. One person says "plumber," the next says "taxi driver," another says "engineering," another says "professor," you say "I work in heating, ventilation, and air conditioning?" Fephisto (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  And your point is? Most people would probably say "heating engineer" or "ventilation engineer" or "air conditioning engineer", depending on their particular speciality! But that's irrelevant to Wikipedia titling in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: Jargony initialisms are thoroughly unencyclopedic. "HVAC" redirects to this article if that is what the reader is searching for. We are here to provide knowledge, not American-industry-specific convenience. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 14:35, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's also the article in Turkish, Polish, Hungarian, Norwegian and Italian. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  Which? "Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning" or "HVAC"? Julietdeltalima (talk) 19:42, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose As a HVAC tech off wiki I have to oppose this I think that having each word spelled out and explaining it then using HVAC/HVACR is better for the average reader. I do think its important to keep the terms HVAC and HVACR near the top of the article.

Bobherry Talk My Edits 02:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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HVAC V= Ventilating vs Ventilation

Heating Ventilating Air Conditioning is the proper compound for HVAC. The "V" being Ventilating not Ventilation. This is not semantics. This should be obvious to a Mechanical engineer with a minor in linguistics. For the rest of us, we can look at the history of the creation of the acronym. As any HVAC professional would know, The American Society of Refrigerating and Air Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE) and their lineage is what shaped the entire industry. Their history starts with the American Society Of Heating and Ventilating Engineers (ASHVE) in 1895. The ASHVE changed to HSH&VE then the ASHAE ( American Society of Heating and Air Conditioning Engineers). ASHRAE Was formed in 1959 by the merger of ASHAE and American Society of Refrigerating Engineers (ASRE) founded in 1904. The ASHRAE handbook origin first published in 1922 by the ASH&VE as the Heating and ventilating guide. Today ASHRAE publishes this as Principles of Heating Ventilating and Air Conditioning Ninth Edition and Describes it as key HVAC fundamentals. All the information I have provided here. Except the first four sentences comes from articles found on the ASHRAE web site, This in itself gives this credibility. Also note in every case "V" stands for ventilating. White hair guy (talk) 05:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)