Talk:Flint (disambiguation)

Requested move 11 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a clear absence of consensus for the proposed move at this time, and the substantial degree of opposition makes relisting appear unlikely to change that. BD2412 T 19:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

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• Flint (disambiguation) → Flint
• Flint → Flint (rock)

– Although the rock is probably primary by long-term significance it doesn't appear to be by usage. The rock has 15,744 views but the Michigan one has 16,866, G.I. Joe has 1,586, the band has 1,315, the Flintshire one has 1,217, the film has 783, the Texas one has 467, the automobile has 202, the railway station has 121, the Marvel Comics has 92, the given name has 91, the surname has 86, the Ohio one has 57, the Indiana one has 23, the Georgia one has 23, the Washington one has 23, the theatre has 18, the Kentucky one has 17, the Mother 3 has 5, the Pokémon has 5 and the West Virginia one has 4. Flint water crisis has 20,453 and Captain Flint has 9,151[[1]]. Google returns the rock and Flintshire one probably partly due to my location. Neither the Michigan nor Flintshire one make reference to their name coming from the rock and the Michigan one is important because of the motor industry and the Flintshire one is important due to giving its name to a county. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. There are 61 entries listed upon the Flint (disambiguation) page, with little indication that the term delineating the rock has such overwhelming primacy that it dwarfs the combined notability of the remaining 60 entries, without even taking account that among those entries are additional entries under Flint River (disambiguation), Flint (surname) or Flint (given name). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose It seems only Flint Michigan comes close to that of the rock. Adjusting the header of the rock article with the about template to list Flint Michigan as alternative would make accessibility of that article just as far away (probably even more easy to access than through the current disambig page) as going to disambig first. In addition, given the well-known US centric bias of the (international) English Wikipedia, the global importance of the rock (beyond and US geographic indications of mainly local relevance) should be take into account. Arnoutf (talk) 19:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Evidence above suggests that the rock is not primary by usage. Editors link to Flint assuming that it will reach either Flint, Michigan or Flint, Flintshire (I've fixed dozens of such errors), which is a good indication that the term's actual destination comes as a surprise even to regular editors. Certes (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per reasons listed by nominator and others above. In cases like these, the safest bet is to have the disambiguation page at the basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:18, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, long-term significance. 162 etc. (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Arnoutf. A lot of people from Flint, Michigan clicking on Flint, Michigan does not mean that globally this is the primary usage. – Joe (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose By longterm significance. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PT2, long-term significance and other opposers above. Usage does not outdo long-term significance, especially when marginal, both are to be considered, while the rock also has sufficient views so the two criteria together makes a strong case to keep the rock primary. The case based on usage would be stronger if there were another highly viewed Flint aside one other city or the Michigan city were overwhemingly viewed. Plus giving the name to the county a place is in isn't really important. DankJae 21:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support The rock is not the primary topic, people may be looking for Flint, Michigan or the Flintshire one. GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 21:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  Comment I would also support redirecting Flint to Flint, Michigan. GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Honestly, I would say this should go to Flint, MI long before it goes to Flint (rock). If I did Flint I'd be expecting a disambiguation page OR the city, never the rock first. Instances like this are why we have disambiguation pages. DarmaniLink (talk) 22:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Me use flint for long long time, since Stone Age! Everything else come later. WP:PT2. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Absolutely oppose. This is not YankeePedia. Flint, Michigan, is insigificant at best and in most cases simply unknown to most people outside the US. Flint (the stone) is a topic of global recognition and deep historical significant to all of humanity. There is no question what the primary topic is with regard to long-term significance, and the US place being occasionally in the news again for one debacle or another that boosts short-term pageviews does not change anything. PS: I'm an American, and read a lot and pay attention to the news, and never in my entire life have I heard the place referred to as simply "Flint". It's always called "Flint, Michigan" because the word by itself is too naturally ambiguous. Only regional locals just call it "Flint".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  That's a very convincing argument and I was about to change my !vote, but then I checked with WikiNav. That seems to show substantial proportions of readers navigating from Flint to the dab and from the dab to non-rock topics such as Flint, MI. It suggests that people do think of the city as simply "Flint", and that's certainly true of the Flintshire town. (I'm neither American nor Welsh, if that matters.) Certes (talk) 14:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Very clear primary topic by long-term significance. Far more so than any other. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. SMcCandlish and I have our differences on other issues (e.g., the current RM on Disney (disambiguation)), but on this one I strongly concur with the views expressed above. Referring to the city as just "Flint" is a Michigan thing. Everyone else always follows the city name with the name of the state. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per long-term significance, SMcCandlish, and Boy Scout camping firestarters everywhere. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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