Talk:Fardeen Khan

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS

I HAVE FOUND SOME INTERESTING NEWS ABOUT SALMAN KHAN , SAIF ALI KHAN , SHAHRUKH KHAN, AAMIR KHANAND FARDEEN KHAN THE INFORMATION IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE SO PLEASE ADD THE INFO FOR ALL THE 5 KHANS ITS REALLY VERY IMPORTANT AND I AM NOT LYING HERE IS THE LINK FOR THE NEWS WHO IS THE REAL BADSHAH OF BOLLYWOOD A R Ansari September 7 2008. (UTC).

 Not done Its a personal blog, not a reliable source. --Neelkamala (talk) 03:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Afghan heritage

Someone decided to use proxies/sockpuppets to remove the Category:Indian people of Afghan descent from this and other articles. Fardeen Khan's father (Feroz Khan) is well known by everyone on Bollywood as an Afghan who was born in India.[1]

Feroz Khan's father was born in Afghanistan so that makes both Feroz Khan and Fardeen Khan Indians of Afghan heritage. It is stupid to remove this so please stop.--Chilum aw charrs (talk) 02:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Read what you linked before calling others stupid. Feroz Khan.... was born to a father with Afghan roots and a mother of Iranian origin and was reared in Bangalore. Feroz was not a Afghan, neither are his sons Fardeen and Zayed, they are Indians and you even removed the category Indian Shi'a Muslims giving a lame excuse of "pashtuns are non-shias". Well guess what? there are shia pasthuns and Feroz was one of them. Proof http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/news/india/Feroz-Khans-funeral/articleshow/4458096.cms Funeral prayers of Bollywood actor and director Feroz Khan funeral at Bangalore Shia burial ground carried by son Fardeen and his uncle Sanjay Khan along with other relatives. I would be better you stop converting people's religious sect. --Neelkamala (talk) 02:54, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Feroz, his brothers and their children are Indians of Afghan descent. They became citizens of India but they are Afghan by descent and heritage. All articles about people in Wikipedia mention this information, see Barak Obama, Salma Hayek, Charles Bronson and million other famous people.

That is not proof for the Shia claim. It suggests that you are not only anti-Afghan but also a Shia.--Chilum aw charrs (talk) 10:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Fardeen Khan's father Feroz khan and mother both were born in India and were Indians, neither of them claimed to be Afghans during their lifetime. I don't know why you want them tagged as such. As far as obama is concerned he has a kenyan father that makes him american of kenyan descent, which is missing in this case.

Most of the people named in Indians of Afghan descent don't have references to backup the claim of Afghan descent, thanks for the pointing out, I will add the correct tag so that issue is sorted out.

Feroz Khan was born and buried in a exclusively shia burial ground, that proves him being a Shia. No need to get angry and accuse others. If you cant accept or refute the facts sourced from reputed newspapers, that's your choice, but don't make allegations of me being anti-anybody. I respect everyone including afghans but wikipedia is not a place to add unsourced data or change a man's religious sect. Thanks --Neelkamala (talk) 12:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Ofcourse they were Indians but of Afghan and Iranian origins, meaning they were different from the larger native Indians. The "neither of them claimed to be Afghans during their lifetime" is completely irrelevant.

Khan was born in Bangalore to an Afghan father and an Irani mother in 1939. He moved to Mumbai in 1959 and made his acting debut with Didi in 1960. His early years were full of struggle but the pathan got his due with Oonche Log, followed by Arzoo. He played second lead in both films and then in Aadmi Aur Insaan and Mela, co-starring bhai Sanjay.

— The Times of India, [2]

"Sanjay Khan's brother, Feroze Khan had gone to Afghanistan to shoot his film, Dharmatma. He told me that he had wanted to go back, but the situation was not inimical for the visit," he said. Their father came from Ghazni in Afghanistan, and settled in Bangalore where the Khan brothers were born. Feroze Khan went to Afghanistan to make his 1975 film, which was the first Indian movie to be shot in the starkly-landscaped country.

— Mid Day, [3]

About Afghan or Pathan, that is refering to their ethnic background, like Punjabi, Bengali, Kashmiri, Sindhi, Arab, Turkish, Scottish, Spanish, French, and etc. You're trying to mislead us here with citizenship, and that is also irrevelant because "Indians of Afghan descent" clearly states that he is Indian but of Afghan origin or descent. Suppose a white British man from the United Kingdom came to India and gave birth to children do you think we no longer mention their British origins? Many readers want to trace Fardeen Khan's background because he is very popular actor and how will they learn if you are removing that? There are 100s of sources that mention him being Afghan by origin [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], being born in America or in India does not change a person's ethnicity or heritage. For example, if you are Indian from India and born in America you are therefore officially refered to as an Indian-American. All your children will be refered to as Indian-Americans even if they don't accept it.

Feroz Khan was born and buried in a exclusively shia burial ground???? He was born in a shia burial ground???? What are you saying?

In Islam there is no such thing and Shia burial ground/Sunni burial ground. We can determine that Feroz Khan was Muslim because Hindus cremate their deads, but there is no source mentioning him being a Shia. If you find it that's fine but so far this is just an educated guess. It's possible that he practiced Shia Islam and it's possible that he didn't, and it's possible he was just buried next to his mother who was of Iranian origin and possibly a Shia. A Shia is someone who follows Shia Islam, if there is no source then this should not be mentioned.--Chilum aw charrs (talk) 18:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

"Educated guesses" don't belong in Wikipedia. You either find a source that definitively states his religious beliefs one way or the other, or any information about it needs to be removed from the article. 2001:558:6045:A0:391F:B005:179D:8DD9 (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

What? Who are you?--Chilum aw charrs (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Who I am is irrelevant. What is relevant is Wikipedia policies and guidelines on WP:BLP and WP:RS, which I've just summarized for you. 2001:558:6045:A0:391F:B005:179D:8DD9 (talk) 23:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

You just said educated guesses don't belong in Wikipedia, you must be talking to Neelkamala because he is guessing someone's religious sect. As for Afghan (Pathan), I provided The Times of India, Mid Day, Pajhwok Afghan News, and these [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], which all say that they are ethnic Afghans (Pathans).--Chilum aw charrs (talk) 23:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Note: If you are unable to reach a consensus here, please go for a a third opinion or report at dispute resolution noticeboard, before resuming editing. --Ekabhishek^talk 03:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

A consensus is needed to add a sentence about his father being Afghan? [17] [18] [19] [20] This is especially important because India is NOT the same as the West where a person born automatically becomes a natural born citizen. In other words, an Afghan born in India is Afghan.--Chilum aw charrs (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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