Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus


Trying to understand edits to the infobox

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Old version (10:33, 14 February 2022) New version (04:43, 27 February 2022)
Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus
 
Façade of the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus
 
Former names
  • Victoria Terminus
  • Bori Bunder Railway Station
Alternative namesChhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus (official)
General information
Architectural styleIndo-Saracenic Victorian Gothic Revival
AddressFort, Mumbai, Maharashtra, 400001
Town or cityMumbai, Maharashtra
Country  India
Coordinates18°56′23″N 72°50′07″E / 18.9398°N 72.8354°E / 18.9398; 72.8354
Construction started1878
CompletedMay 1888; 136 years ago (1888-05)[1]
Cost1,614,000 (US$19,000) (at the time)
now 2,013 million (US$24 million)
ClientCentral Railway
Design and construction
Architect(s)Frederick William Stevens, Axel Haig
EngineerWilson Bell
Website
https://cr.indianrailways.gov.in/
CriteriaCultural: ii, iv
Reference945
Inscription2004 (28th Session)
Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus
Indian Railways Terminus
 
General information
LocationChhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus Area, Fort, Mumbai, Maharashtra 400001
India
Coordinates18°56′23″N 72°50′08″E / 18.9398°N 72.8355°E / 18.9398; 72.8355
Owned byIndian Railways
Operated byCentral Railway zone
Line(s)Mumbai–Nagpur–Howrah line
Mumbai–Chennai line Mumbai-Ahmednagar railway line via Kalyan was also in planning stage with survey of this project carried out on 1970, 2000, 2014 etc.[3]
Platforms18
Tracks40 (Multiple)
Connections   
Construction
Structure typeAt-grade
Platform levels01
ParkingYes
Other information
Station codeCSTM
BBVT (former)
Zone(s) Central Railway zone
Division(s) Mumbai CR
Websitehttps://cr.indianrailways.gov.in/
History
OpenedMay 1853; 171 years ago (1853-05)[1]
RebuiltMay 1888; 136 years ago (1888-05)[1]
Electrified25 kV AC 50 Hz
Previous namesVictoria Terminus Railway Station
Bori Bunder railway station
Location
 
 
Mumbai CSTM
Location within India
 
 
Mumbai CSTM
Mumbai CSTM (Mumbai)
 
Chhatrapati Shivaji
Maharaj Terminus
Mumbai Suburban Railway station
 
General information
LocationChhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus Area, Fort, Mumbai, Maharashtra 400001
  India
Coordinates18°56′23″N 72°50′08″E / 18.9398°N 72.8355°E / 18.9398; 72.8355
Owned byIndian Railways
Line(s)Central Line, Harbour Line
Platforms18
TracksMultiple
Connections  Mumbai Metro
Construction
Structure typeAt-grade
Platform levels01
ParkingYes
Other information
Station codeST
VT (former)
Zone(s) Central Railway zone
Division(s) Mumbai CR
Fare zoneCentral Railway zone
History
Opened1853; 171 years ago (1853)[1]
Rebuilt1887; 137 years ago (1887)[1]
Electrified25 kV 50 Hz AC
Previous namesVictoria Terminus railway station
Bori Bunder railway station
Services
Preceding station Mumbai Suburban Railway Following station
Terminus Central line Masjid
towards Kasara or Khopoli
Harbour line Masjid
towards Goregaon or Panvel
Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus
 
Façade of the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus
 
Former names
  • Victoria Terminus
  • Bori Bunder Railway Station
Alternative namesChhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus (official)
General information
Architectural styleIndo-Saracenic Victorian Gothic Revival
AddressFort, Mumbai, Maharashtra, 400001
Town or cityMumbai, Maharashtra
Country  India
Coordinates18°56′23″N 72°50′07″E / 18.9398°N 72.8354°E / 18.9398; 72.8354
Construction started1878
CompletedMay 1888; 136 years ago (1888-05)[1]
Cost1,614,000 (US$19,000) (at the time)
now 2,013 million (US$24 million)
ClientCentral Railway
Design and construction
Architect(s)Frederick William Stevens, Axel Haig
EngineerWilson Bell
Website
https://cr.indianrailways.gov.in/
CriteriaCultural: ii, iv
Reference945
Inscription2004 (28th Session)
Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus
Indian Railways Terminus
 
General information
LocationChhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus Area, Fort, Mumbai, Maharashtra 400001
India
Coordinates18°56′23″N 72°50′08″E / 18.9398°N 72.8355°E / 18.9398; 72.8355
Owned byIndian Railways
Operated byCentral Railway zone
Line(s)Mumbai–Nagpur–Howrah line
Mumbai–Chennai line Mumbai-Ahmednagar railway line via Kalyan was also in planning stage with survey of this project carried out on 1970, 2000, 2014 etc.[5]
Platforms18
Tracks40 (Multiple)
Connections   
Construction
Structure typeAt-grade
Platform levels01
ParkingYes
Other information
Station codeCSTM
BBVT (former)
Zone(s) Central Railway zone
Division(s) Mumbai CR
Websitehttps://cr.indianrailways.gov.in/
History
OpenedMay 1853; 171 years ago (1853-05)[1]
RebuiltMay 1888; 136 years ago (1888-05)[1]
Electrified25 kV AC 50 Hz
Previous namesVictoria Terminus Railway Station
Bori Bunder railway station
Location
 
 
Mumbai CSTM
Location within India
 
 
Mumbai CSTM
Mumbai CSTM (Mumbai)

Comparing the two versions

  • Old version:
    • Infobox historic building
    • Infobox station
    • Infobox station
  • New version:
    • Infobox historic building
    • Infobox station

So it would be possible to put features from the second infobox station in the old version into the lone infobox station in the new version. Is it worth doing?-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f g h i j Cite error: The named reference WHS was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ File:India Mumbai Victor Grigas 2011-15.jpg
  3. ^ "कल्याण-नगर रेल्वे हा विकासाचा मार्ग" [Kalyan-Nagar Railway is the path of development]. Maharashtra Times. 4 August 2017.
  4. ^ File:India Mumbai Victor Grigas 2011-15.jpg
  5. ^ "कल्याण-नगर रेल्वे हा विकासाचा मार्ग" [Kalyan-Nagar Railway is the path of development]. Maharashtra Times. 4 August 2017.

Requested move 23 May 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 06:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply


Chhatrapati Shivaji TerminusChhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus – 1) Mumbai's Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus renamed to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus, 2) Updated Name Image 49.32.234.130 (talk) 12:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 29 June 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)MaterialWorks 11:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)Reply


Chhatrapati Shivaji TerminusChhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus – As per WP:NAMECHANGES, extra weight is given to sources written after the name change. Here is an article from The Economic Times from 27 June 2023 that uses the new, official name. Other articles are here, here and here, all on different topics. This shows that sources published after the name change favouring the new name. Please do not argue based on Google searches, not all links on Google are reliable sources. Arnav Bhate (talk) 04:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose - Many of the recent reliable news sources (1 January 2020 - present) after the name change (that happened in May 2017) use "Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus", examples -
Indian Express dated - December 17, 2022 ; quote = "Maharashtra has convened a rally from Byculla to Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus in Mumbai on Saturday"
DNA dated - Feb 09, 2023; quote = "From Gare Du Nord in Paris to Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus in Mumbai
The Telegraph - 05.01.23; quote = "Panoramic view of the Mumbai Fort Area. Mumbai Municipal Corporation Building (left) and (right) Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST)
India Today - Feb 19, 2020; quote = "thanks to the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport and the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus train station
Economic Times dated - Dec 16, 2022 ; quote = "The march from Jijamata Udyan to Azad Maidan near Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus"
The Times of India dated - May 4, 2023 ; quote = "revamp of New Delhi, Ahmedabad and Mumbai's Chhatrapati Shivaji terminus stations,"
Mint dated - 13 Sep 2022 ; quote = "Screen grab of Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson commenting on Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus in India"
Times Now dated - Jun 27, 2023; quote = "Ground Reality Of Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus Railway Station At Rainy Season"
In Google books (many would be reliable for the purpose), in a period from Jan 1, 2020 to Jun 30, 2023, we get "2,630" hits for "chhatrapati shivaji terminus" for "953" hits for "chhatrapati shivaji maharaj terminus"
There would be more if checked from May 2017 onwards. Anyway per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES, which writes - "on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name when discussing the article topic in the present day, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well. Hence, I'm opposing the move. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Here are the statistics for each of the news sites you have listed and a few more reliable ones after June 2017
News Websites
Site "Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus" OR "CST" site: "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus" OR "CSMT" site:
The Indian Express 348 852
DNA 173 340
The Telegraph 37 71
India Today 138 260
Economic Times 1160 672
The Times of India 1090 1940
Mint 100 440
Times Now 120 400
Hindustan Times 295 872
The Hindu 167 303
Total 3628 6150
This shows that most news websites prefer the new name by a large margin. I would be happy to do this for any other news website you may want. On the point of Google Books, I have to agree that there are more results for the old name even in the timeframe after the name change, but I found that there were some results common to both, some results that were completely unrelated and some results that were repeated. Arnav Bhate (talk) 04:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
It only proves that the older name is being used widely, hence the oppose per − "on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name when discussing the article topic in the present day, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Arnav Bhate (talk) 04:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The name in the infobox

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We have one more editors who keep changing the name in the infobox from "Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus" to "Chhatrapati Maharaj Shivaji Terminus".17 May,26 May (1),26 May (2),26 July,1 August,3 August Explanations given include Fixed grammar (twice), and Changed the name in infobox to the new official name (given 6 years ago) from CST to CSMT (Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus).

Wikipedia has a policy on infoboxes: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. The section on names in the infobox is at MOS:INFOBOXNAME, which says: It should be named the common name of the article's subject but may contain the full (official) name; this does not need to match the article's Wikipedia title. In Template:Infobox settlement it is always interpreted as: it should be named the common name of the article's subject but may contain the full (official) name in addition. The template has four name fields to cope with places having more than one name: see Template:Infobox settlement#Parameter names and descriptions.

Template:Infobox building as implemented in the article uses three name fields: name, former_names, and alternate_names. The alternate_names field is used for the "Chhatrapati Maharaj Shivaji Terminus" name. I think we could reduce the amount of drive-by disruptive edits if we used the native_name field for the "Chhatrapati Maharaj Shivaji Terminus" name, because this would put it at the top of the infobox (i.e. above the picture and the map), instead of below them as now. There is no need for the infobox template to use the name field, so I have removed it (and therefore the temptation for drive-by editors to change it).

Some recent documents by Indian Railways refer to it as "Chhatrapati Maharaj Shivaji Terminus" - see Central Railway Assets-Acquisition, Construction and Replacement for 2024-25. But other names are also used: for example "Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, Mumbai" was used in this recent recruitment notice: RRC CR Apprentice Recruitment 2024 | Central Railway Apprentice (2409 Slots) Apply Online @rrccr.com.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Reply