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Former good articleList of Halo characters was one of the Video games good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
May 15, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
August 30, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
November 15, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
December 3, 2007Featured list candidateNot promoted
March 4, 2008Good article nomineeListed
May 13, 2008Featured topic candidatePromoted
January 14, 2019Good topic removal candidateDemoted
October 16, 2019Good topic candidatePromoted
November 3, 2021Good article reassessmentDelisted
January 26, 2022Good topic removal candidateDemoted
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Helljumper armor

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Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I'm pretty sure that "helljumper" is a nickname for an ODST Gary the stormtrooper (talk) 14:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

The specific variant in Halo 5 is called "Helljumper", but it's pretty minute detail that doesn't belong on Wikiepda. I'll remove it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:45, 27 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
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Inclusion criteria

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Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Since there's been some major additions and some disagreements, might be worth hammering out things on the talk. Back in the day, we added a "recurring characters" threshold to try and cut down on some of the character listing; nonetheless, the article has ballooned to over 100KB prose size (18703 words) and that's really way too big. I recommend further restricting the list to only major supporting characters who regularly appear, and those that can have out-of-universe information added about them. A character appearing in two or three books, especially when those books don't have articles of their own, doesn't need to be included. Thoughts? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:05, 12 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Castor needed to be included since he's in 4 books so far with a fifth upcoming. He's been a major character in each book that he's appeared in and is probably gonna be the main bad guy of Halo: Divine Wind given the way that Shadows of Reach left off with him.--32.214.191.156 (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

The major problem is that a lot of these additions cannot be verified without a primary source, and thus fall afoul of WP:V in spirit. If it can't be proven without "look at a plot summary", they aren't majorly important characters that should be covered. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 22:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

GA Reassessment

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This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Characters of Halo/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

The article has many issues with verifiability, including 67(!) citation needed tags. (t · c) buidhe 03:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

I've always wondered why this was a GA in the first place, and not a featured list (for which it was once nominated). Even the similarly titled Characters of God of War—both of which (and a few others) use a different naming scheme than most lists of video game characters, for some reason—is FL, not GA. – Rhain ☔ 01:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I don't think such articles should be FL. While yes, it is listing things, the articles go significantly beyond simply being curated lists. The articles are mostly prose. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 11:43, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
To me, if you can discuss the characters as a whole (not indiviudally) in terms of their development and reception -- atop how you are discussing the individual characters themselves, that you are effectively adding more prose beyond the list of characters, then that merits calling such an article "Characters of X", which I am confident an article like Characters of Overwatch qualifies for, and under that same principle, the God of War is appropriate. If you're just basically listing individual characters with some having their own development and reception, but nothing about the group, then that is a "List of..." --Masem (t) 13:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I personally disagree—a list having some useful information about the group does not disqualify it from being a list, it just makes it a higher-quality one—but regardless, all five of our FLs (with one possible exception) fall under that criteria, so by those principles, they should have been titled "Characters of..." and nominated for GA/FA instead. – Rhain ☔ 23:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'm fine with classifying it as a list; as is you can't really do a "reception" or "development" sections on the entirety of the Halo characters because you can't really synthesize 30+ novels and a dozen games into "this is what critics said"-type constructions. That said I don't think I would necessarily structure it much differently, although as a list maybe putting some of the minor characters in tables would help encourage people not to just load them up with plot? In any case, I've reverted to a section before the mass [CN] spam as most of it is obviously sourced to specific media discussed. What does still need to happen is a serious cleanup of plot details, which I will be working on this weekend. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Masem:@Rhain:@MsDusa: Given discussion on WT:VG seems to have "Characters_of_..."_or_"List_of_..._characters" petered out in favor of the status quo, I'm open to revisiting this as to whether it should be a list rather than an article. I've cut a lot of the cruft and started sourcing a bit more of it, but the reality is there's a lot of stuff that I feel like for an "article"-level of context I wouldn't be able to easily cite outside of primary plot citations, and as mentioned there's not really "reception" for most characters as a whole, rather than individual characters. I think a list (maybe even reorganizing as a bulleted table) would make a bit more sense with the content I can pull sources for, myself. Thoughts? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have no objection to that. Although I think if it is converted to a list, it may need to be delisted from GAN even if improved as this status isn't supposed to be for lists. (t · c) buidhe 00:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
For sure. I don't really think the topic really works as an article as being discussed on VG anyhow (and haven't really, since I tried to make it a list a decade and change ago now!) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 16:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I agree that a list would work best (though, then again, I think they should all be lists). I don't follow this article closely, but, at a quick glance, your recent edits have been great. – Rhain ☔ 16:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Proposed merge of Gravemind into List of Halo characters#Gravemind

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Latest comment: 1 year ago9 comments5 people in discussion

I don't believe Gravemind is a notable character that passes WP:GNG. The one real SIGCOV I found is in his section in the List of Halo characters, everything in his own article from secondary sources is fairly trivial. Please tell me if I'm missing something. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I don't have an issue folding the content in here. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Zxcvbnm: @Greenish Pickle!: @Haleth: @David Fuchs: Pinging the involved editors so this can be closed, which target should it point towards: This article, or Flood (Halo)?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

My position hasn't changed. Redirect the article itself to its entry on List of Halo characters, but preserve most of the content to Flood (Halo) since we now know that in-universe, there can be potentially more then one Gravemind as it is a manifestation of the final stage of the Flood life cycle. Haleth (talk) 12:53, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I think List of characters makes more sense as a merge target, as most of the content about his development is either already redundant with Flood or not relevant (any of the plot summary.) Some of the content about the Gravemind's reception might make sense in the Flood article, but the lion's share would be better in the list. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:17, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
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