Talk:Bethany Dillon

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Gregorytopov in topic Name change to Bethany Barnard

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Childhood

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I would like to learn more about Bethany Dillon's Childhood. This article only gives a short sentance or two. Not very informative on what little is there. Could somebody please fix this. 72.65.198.21 20:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Go to this Bethany Dillon fan site. It has brief information. You may also find further information on message boards out there somewhere. Am 8821 17:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Vandalism and protection

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I have inserted a protection on this page due to recent vandalism. - User:Dwilczyn—Preceding undated comment added by Dwilczyn (talkcontribs) 04:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

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Assessment comment

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Bethany Dillon/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

A lot of short sections, hardly any lead. Some good info, but it all needs to be expanded, and needs citations. -- Pepsi2786 01:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 18 February 2017

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. It appears that Dillon is the primary name used by sources. Primefac (talk) 13:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)Reply



Bethany DillonBethany Barnard – It seems the subject is now releasing music under the new name. We would need to leave a redirect at Bethany Dillon, and likely have to modify the article to reflect the new name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 05:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Reply


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Post move

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I think I need to reply to Walter Görlitz above so as not to mislead others.

WP:RM#CM states Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topic. (my emphasis) How anyone could think that a case could be made for this move without supplying evidence is frankly beyond me.

Please, all read WP:AT if you have not already done so, and if you think there are any arcane rules there discuss at WT:AT and/or WT:RM and get them changed. Good luck. Andrewa (talk) 11:33, 15 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

I have never heard such nonsense. NGRAMS are for books and are at least two year out-of-date. Good luck yourself. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
Agree that WP:RM#CM is far from perfect, but you were the one who cited it, and it doesn't support you at all. And again please note what it actually says: ...evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics).... (my emphasis) It's not perfect, but it's far from nonsense (and if you think it's nonsense why were you citing it... underreading again?) and in either case the place to discuss it is WT:RM.
But certainly agree that NGRAMS and page stats are not the best examples of relevant evidence. Hear, hear! See user:andrewa/The Problem With Page Views for more on that. Andrewa (talk) 19:56, 15 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
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Name change to Bethany Barnard

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Shouldn't this page be changed from Bethany Dillon to the name Bethany Barnard? This has been Bethany's name ever since she got married in 2008, and is how she is known, for example her official website: https://bethanybarnard.com

Now that time has elapsed since her marriage, Bethany Barnard is also how sources refer to her consistently, e.g. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/video/i-shall-not-want-bethany-barnard-shane-shane-davy-flowers/

Changing the name is consistent with how similar artists who change their name/gender etc on Wikipedia are handled. If this isn't contested/challenged, I'll implement the name change to Bethany Barnard. Gregorytopov (talk) 03:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Only if it becomes a better-known name than Bethany Dillon. Wikipedia uses the subject's WP:COMMONNAME. Since her output seems to have peaked fifteen years ago, I do not expect any more press nor do I expect a change in the article's location. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:32, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
So if someone marries and changes their name, that isn't how Wikipedia refers to them? It seems distinctly odd for an encyclopedia not to use someone's current name. Gregorytopov (talk) 23:51, 12 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
I take it you elected not to read WP:COMMONNAME. I do not have anything to add to that. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Yes I have. The relevant part is this:
Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable English-language sources ("reliable sources") written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names".
Firstly, it seems to me that this is slightly different than what you stated ("Only if it becomes a better-known name than Bethany Dillon.") The issue is not that the new name becomes better known, but whether reliable sources after the name change is announced continue to use the old name or the new one. Secondly, can you think of examples paralleling Bethany Barnard, where someone married, had an official name change, and Wikipedia continued to use their old name? Gregorytopov (talk) 23:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
I do not need to. You need to show that people are looking for Bethany Barnard more frequently than Bethany Dillon. You claim that sources are regularly calling her Bethany Barnard but have failed to provide any. Yet, Apple Music still lists her at the former: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/bethany-dillon/6950279 rather than the latter https://music.apple.com/us/artist/bethany-barnard/1199149043 (I had to search for that). Jesus Freak Hideout also lists her new albums, https://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/cdreviews/AllMyQuestions.asp https://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/cdreviews/ABetterWord.asp but https://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/artists/BethanyDillon.asp Dillon is her primary page. The main problem is that the majority of media on the subject is still keyed to her former name. I do not think you will accept my opinion, so we could go to a broader audience. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Further, Google NGrams does not even recognize the term Bethany Barnard https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Bethany+Dillon%2CBethany+Barnard&year_start=2000&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 try adding another Christian artist or two: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Bethany+Dillon%2CBethany+Barnard%2CLexi+Elisha%2CBill+Mallonee&year_start=2000&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2CBethany%20Dillon%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CBill%20Mallonee%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CBethany%20Dillon%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CBill%20Mallonee%3B%2Cc0 "Ngrams not found: Bethany Barnard". Just not well enough known. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:46, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the effort you've put in to provide a detailed response. Gregorytopov (talk) 13:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply