Talk:Beebo the God of War

Not the GA review, but some comments

Hey User:OlifanofmrTennant, good luck with your GA. A few notes from my latest edit:

• References are generally not needed in the infobox as it's meant to repeat information from the article. So the place you need to use that reference is in the body of the article where it is first mentioned.
• Some of the cast in the infobox isn't mentioned in the casting section.
• {{Infobox television episode}} can handle lists automatically, so no need for any template, just use normal list syntax (* item)
• I've noticed that in your citations, the value for |website= wasn't always the correct way it is spelled. I've found the best way to find the correct name is just to wikilink the entry and see where it leads you. Wikilinking also is generally helpful there.
• Before sending to GA it might be helpful to check if the text isn't using MOS:CURLY characters.
• Finally, and this is a personal preference, I use WP:ProveIt's "normalize everything" option when done editing as it makes for a cleaner and consistent ref style (easier to read and edit).

Gonnym (talk) 15:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Beebo the God of War/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Voorts (talk · contribs) 17:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Review to come. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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This could be GA quality with a little bit of work, so I am putting it on hold. I will do a spot check of the citations and a source review after the rest of the comments are addressed, since edits might result in reorganization of the article.

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   This could use a copy edit for grammar, concision, and clarity. For example:

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The store claims to be out of dolls, until the location of a final one which Stein grabs and runs away with but is chased by a crowd of upset people.

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The store claims to be out of dolls, but Stein finds the last one, takes it, and is chased by a crowd of upset people.

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During a panel at Fan Expo Vancouver the cast of ''Legends'' explained that the concept behind [[Beebo (Arrowverse)|Beebo]] was the writers attempt to further delve the series further into chaos.

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During a panel at Fan Expo Vancouver the cast of ''Legends'' explained that the concept behind [[Beebo (Arrowverse)|Beebo]] was an attempt to introduce further chaos to the series' plot.

1. B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation: {{GAList/check|n}

   1. The lead needs to summarize the entire article. For an example, see my FA October 1. Done
   2. The article has several short paragraphs, which is discouraged per MOS:PARA. I recommend removing the "Broadcast" and "Home Video" subsection headings and combining that material into one paragraph under the "Release" section. In the "Critical response" section, I suggest organizing the reviews in separate paragraphs by favorable vs. unfavorable, or based on the topics the reviews focus on. For an example, see my FAs "Running Out of Time" and October 1. Done
   3. There are some WTW issues. For example, the following lack proper attribution:
      • "Despite initial concerns ..."
      • "This led to concerns the character ..." Done
   4. MOS:FICTIONAL states that "Careful differentiation between narrated time and fictional chronology on the one hand, and narrative time and actual chronology of real-world events on the other (of particular relevance to all film and TV-related topics)." Sentences like this need clarification: "The legends are then alerted of an anachronism causing the Vikings to conquer America." What is an anachronism? Is this from the perspective of the past – that is, it is "causing" the Viking takeover in the past – or should this be re-written from the perspective of the Legends in the present to say "that caused" instead of "causing"? Done
2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

   Looks good per check with Earwig's tool.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   I recommend deleting this paragraph because it is out-of-scope: The episode features the departure of Jefferson Jackson from the Legends. The characters exist was a creative decision as oppressed to a personal choice. This left the door open for the character to return which he did in the season finale, "The Good, the Bad, and the Cuddly".

 Done

1. B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

2. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

   I'm not seeing any negative reviews; were there any? If so, they should be summarized.

   I couldnt find any reviews from reliable sources that were particularly negatvie.

3. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

   No issues in page history or talk page.

4. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

   Please copy-edit per my above comments.

5. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This is almost at GA. To summarize the above, it needs a new lead, some minor reorganization, and a copy-edit with a fine-toothed comb. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I have made various changes. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I've copy-edted the article. Please let me know if you disagree with anything.

Spot check of this version:

• Ref 1b - okay use of primary source / Twitter
• Ref 2 - good
• Ref 7a - good
• Ref 11 - good
• Refs 13 and 15 - not good - WP:IBTIMES is not a reliable source
• Ref 19 - good (ref 18 is unnecessary)
• Ref 26 - good
• Ref 31 - good
• Ref 32 - "Jesse Schedeen of IGN rated the episode 9.8 of 10 and stated that it was the best follow up to the tragic ending of the previous episode." - this is not what the review says.
• Ref 36 - good
• Refs 43-44 - good

voorts (talk/contributions) 02:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I altered Ref 36 a little and replaced ref 13 and cut ref 15 Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:22, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment or view
• Article history

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• ... that during the production "Beebo the God of War" the crew was concerned that they had jumped the shark? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/legends-of-tomorrow-beebo-origins-the-cw/
  • ALT1: ... that "Beebo the God of War" features Martin Stein played by Graeme McComb, a character who in the previous episode was killed off and played by Victor Garber? Source: https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/12/06/dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-beebo-the-god-of-war-review

** ALT2: ... that the titular character in "Beebo the God of War" is a knock-off of Tickle Me Elmo? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/legends-of-tomorrow-arthur-darvill-praises-beebo/ ** ALT3: ... that the titular character in "Beebo the God of War" is a Tickle Me Elmo parody? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/legends-of-tomorrow-arthur-darvill-praises-beebo/

• • ALT4: ... that the titular character in "Beebo the God of War" was inspired by Tickle Me Elmo? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/legends-of-tomorrow-arthur-darvill-praises-beebo/

• • Reviewed:
  • Comment: QPQ not needed this is my third submission. The hooks could be rewritten if necessary I think they're quite good though

Improved to Good Article status by OlifanofmrTennant (talk) and Kailash29792 (talk). Nominated by OlifanofmrTennant (talk) at 05:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Beebo the God of War; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• This isn't a review but a comment, but I would suggest dropping ALT1 per WP:DYKFICTION (a hook about a work of fiction has to be primarily about the real world), and also because it seems very specialist and may not appeal to non-fans. Personally I think ALT2 is the best hook among the three proposals but I will let the reviewer decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  I feel as this isnt the case as it talks about the character being recast. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

  The character wasn't recast; Combs had appeared in an earlier episode as the younger Martin Stein, and in this episode an attempt was made to change the future by warning said younger Stein...which he refused to allow. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

• Reviewing. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Article is long enough (7851 characters) and long enough (nominated on the same day it was promoted to GA; sorry it took so long for someone to review). Well sourced, though I'm not a fan of citing Amazon.com as a source (ref 43) – could we not just delete that since there already is another source for that claim? Earwig finds no apparent copyvio. Article overall seemed tidy and accessible. No QPQ is required. This leaves the hooks. Agree that ALT2 is best but would prefer we find another word or expression to replace "knock-off" which has quite a different connotation compared to "inspired by" (which is what it says in the source and in the article). Regarding ALT0, seems like a word is missing (preposition "of" before "Beebo"). ALT1 sounds very clunky and uninteresting to me; perhaps there is something there but having the same character played by different actors happens all the time. Anyway @OlifanofmrTennant: Could you propose some alternative wording for ALT2? Cielquiparle (talk) 00:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: added ALT4 as slighly modified wording with the same source. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant: I appreciate that you are trying to use "knock-off" and "parody" in place of "inspired by", but to me you are adding some meaning into the hook that was not in the original source (which just said "inspired by"). The complete sentence in the first source you cite (ComicBook.com) is For those perhaps not familiar, Beebo debuted in Legends' Season 3 midseason finale as a sort of Tickle Me Elmo-inspired toy transported to the time of the Vikings where he was worshipped as a god.. The second source (Entertainment Weekly) says, For the uninitiated, Beebo is a cute Tickle-Me Elmo-like toy and the zany time-traveling superhero dramedy's breakout character. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: added ALT4 as slighly modified wording with the same source and striked out the 2 and 3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Pass. ALT4 is best. ALT0 is second choice, though I would prefer to insert the word "of" after "production" if you are using that one. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)