Talk:Synchronized swimming at the 2014 Asian Games

Requested move 30 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. There is consensus that the new name shouldn't be applied retroactively to sport events of the past unless it becomes the common name to refer to such past events. It is also noted that the article Synchronised swimming itself hasn't been renamed to "Artistic swimming" due to lack of consensus the last time it was discussed, which leaves the idea of retroactive application of the new name without much merit. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 08:55, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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• Artistic swimming at the 1994 Asian Games → Synchronized swimming at the 1994 Asian Games
• Artistic swimming at the 1998 Asian Games → Synchronized swimming at the 1998 Asian Games
• Artistic swimming at the 2002 Asian Games → Synchronized swimming at the 2002 Asian Games
• Artistic swimming at the 2006 Asian Games → Synchronized swimming at the 2006 Asian Games
• Artistic swimming at the 2010 Asian Games → Synchronized swimming at the 2010 Asian Games
• Artistic swimming at the 2014 Asian Games → Synchronized swimming at the 2014 Asian Games

– In according to the FINA, the name of synchronized swimming was changed to artistic swimming in July. 2017 and it was effective immediately and used in an upcoming Tokyo Olympiad and other continent games, especially Jakarta-Palembang Asiad. However, some editors moved these articles that I mentioned before from Synchronized swimming to Artistic swimming in the years prior to the FINA rename announcement (1994 to 2014). I didn't agree that someone change the past name with the current name without official references of that games. The official of that games still used the "Synchronized swimming". [Results of 1994 Asiad][Results of 1998 Asiad][Official Reports of 2002 Asiad][Schedule of 2006 Asiad][Results of 2010 Asiad] The name of the article should rely on the official references. And another thing, the Olympic and Pan American Games articles on Synchronized swimming prior to the FINA rename announcement weren't changed from Synchronized swimming to Artistic swimming.

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--Dinnerbrone (talk) 09:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:26, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for the sake of consistency, there must be one formula for situations like this. we shouldn't have double standards. Synchronized swimming is not the only sport that changed its name in history. Sailing used to be called Yachting for a long time. are we going to rename all those pages (before 1998 or 1994, I'm not sure which year it changed its name) to Yachting? "Field Hockey" is called Hockey by official sources but wikipedia doesn't follow that. and there probably more examples. Sports2021 (talk) 11:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Anachronistic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
  • What norm exactly? Sailing used to be called Yachting until something like 20 years ago and there is no page in wikipedia starting with the word Yatching. there shouldn't be double standards. Sports2021 (talk) 23:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Nom (i.e. nominator) not norm! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. If there are other articles anachronistically referred to by "future" titles, they should be moved as well if there's a concern about consistency. SnowFire (talk) 02:10, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Do you also suggest moving all Field hockey at XXX to Hockey at XXX because the official name is (and was always) Hockey? I don't think so. my point is wikipedia doesn't necessarily uses the official name for the sports, it's the most common name. but I believe I should bring this question in Olympic project to have a consistent way to deal with this. but there shouldn't be double standards. Sports2021 (talk) 11:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
    • And the most common name is... synchronized swimming! Hockey is obviously a difficult case, as both "field" hockey and ice hockey are played at the Olympics and other games and "field" hockey is generally known simply as hockey in countries where ice hockey is not widely played (i.e. most of the world). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
    • Possibly, but in that case, there's a disambiguation concern as well, which isn't the case here. SnowFire (talk) 21:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support If there isn't a good reason for the new names to change (e.g. there are heaps of reliable sources that refer to the historic event by the new name), then there is no reason for the new name to be applied retrospectively. And what happens with hockey is a totally different and independent question. For starters, there is a need for disambiguation between the two versions of hockey and that's why that case just isn't relevant here. Schwede66 00:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Swimming has been notified of this discussion. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. I was a little surprised to see this RM given that we still have not moved synchronized swimming (last discussed in March 2020). – wbm1058 (talk) 14:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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