Talk:Army Black Knights

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Name reverting back to Cadets

Per this tweet by Army football beat reporter Sal Interdonato, West Point will reverse the 1999 name change and go back to calling their athletic teams the Cadets. DarkAudit (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Or not. See Rebrand section below. So it goes. DarkAudit (talk) 13:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Rebrand

Per their press release, the athletics program is now known as "Army West Point." However, the nicknames "Black Knights," "Cadets," and "The Corps" it looks like they will be used interchagably. What say ye, Wikipedians? Tom Danson (talk) 07:03, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 14 April 2015

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 18:43, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Army Black Knights → Army West Point Black Knights
• Army Black Knights football → Army West Point Black Knights football
• Army Black Knights men's ice hockey → Army West Point Black Knights men's ice hockey
• Army Rugby Football Club → Army West Point Rugby Football Club
• Army Black Knights men's basketball → Army West Point Black Knights men's basketball
• Army Black Knights baseball → Army West Point Black Knights baseball
• Army Black Knights men's lacrosse → Army West Point Black Knights men's lacrosse
• Army Black Knights women's basketball → Army West Point Black Knights women's basketball
• Army Black Knights softball → Army West Point Black Knights softball

– Per the fact sheet attached to their rebrand, they state that teams are to be referred to as "Army West Point." Tom Danson (talk) 16:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. We use common names, not official ones. And the new name is officially dumb. Calidum T|C 17:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
  • While it may be dumb in your opinion, keep in mind that WP:NPOV still applies here...also, what you quoted is a mere essay (not a policy nor a guideline), and as such this is still open for debate. Tom Danson (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
    • WP:UCRN is a policy and says basically the same thing. Calidum T|C 18:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
      • Point taken...but still, it's gonna take more than just the two of us to reach a consensus. Tom Danson (talk) 19:12, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose, at least for now, per WP:COMMONNAME. Let's wait and see if any third-party sources actually start calling them "Army West Point" instead of just "Army." One PR release does not wipe out 100+ years of history and common usage. And, yes, the new name is incredibly dumb and confusing, though that is neither here nor there in terms of this discussion. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:19, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support; change in common usage is likely to be inevitable, and we should favor the institutions preferences absent contrary evidence. Powers ^T 00:14, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose at this time. After further reflection, I've decided I can't reasonably consider the changeover in common usage to be inevitable, given the unwieldiness of the new names. Let's give things a year or so. Powers ^T 01:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support at the very least the current article needs renaming, since an army of black knights frequently occurs in fantasy fiction and non-historical medieval romances. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment is the rugby club also called "Black Knights"? If so, shouldn't it also have "Black Knights" added to its name? -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:42, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. The main article might be better at the more specific title, but not the various sports teams, where "concise" is being stretched too much. 173.160.224.84 (talk) 15:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose all, strongly - WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME reign here. Any confusion with "an army of black knights" is kind of absurd - seriously. Plus, WP:DIFFCAPS would differentiate them anyway. Red Slash 02:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose all. Agree with Calidum and LtPowers on further reflection. Andrewa (talk) 03:53, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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Fixing the WP:Red links

Tom Danson, regarding this edit you made, and what I stated here, are you going to fix the WP:Red links you created? And by that, I mean either returning those links to their original names or creating WP:Redirects for the new names to point to the original names. Flyer22 (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I fixed them...next time, be more civil, please. Tom Danson (talk) 23:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

NFL draft ?

Is there any arrangement for elite Army players to be drafted by the NFL ? Would they have to wait for their agreed army service to end before they could join the NFL, play part-time, or some other arrangement ? I've heard of one player who did the first option, served in Vietnam before joining the NFL... would be good to have this issue discussed in the article. I assume the same applies to Navy and Air Force : the three appear to be the only colleges not normally in the NFL draft ? Rcbutcher (talk) 09:34, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Can privates and NCOs represent Army ?

Can enlisted men play for Army, or just officer trainees ? If not why not ? Rcbutcher (talk) 08:17, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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