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Tampa spam

The tampa4u.com links are being persistently added to articles despite multiple warnings, discussion and removal. Does this need to go through the SPAM noticeboard? Flowanda | Talk 08:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Triplestop and Hu12 already took care of it...I had been collecting all IPs, but adding them to the spam noticeboard is the one task I hate doing. I guess I was thinking URLs could be blacklisted without going through the board, but I now think I need to read the project page more better. Thanks for your help! Flowanda | Talk 21:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

NRHP in Kansas (again)

I think the brick building in Greensburg, KS, is photographed here and is tagged appropriately for Wiki use. - Ichabod (talk) 12:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hardin County, Iowa

Hello Nyttend! I deposited a bunch of photos onto National Register of Historic Places listings in Hardin County, Iowa. It will be a long time before I can find time to make proper articles. If you are interested, have at them. Thanks, Bill Whittaker (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Lost Springs lost reference?

Your edit to Lost Springs, Wyoming moves the article's style away from that of the U.S. city article guideline which was the main purpose of my edit. I do see that {{GR|1}} does something somewhat useful here. (BTW, your edit summary [Restored reference, standard format] is misleading since your edit was, in fact, a revert). —EncMstr (talk) 22:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Old Main eligibility

The source that you put for Old Main on the Geneva College page is interesting, but you may want to recheck the eligibility. On the link page it said that the Resource type was for the District, which probably refers to the campus as a whole because it moved to Beaver Falls in 1880. Plus, no description is given for the building. If it was for Old Main it may have said something like Building or Structure. I could be wrong, but it seems more logical. Mvincec (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Double check...

Hey, I just wanted to double check that the new populated places articles that I've created over the last couple days are at least of decent content... I noticed a number of moves on your part to the proper names ("Newport, Ohio (Madison County)" -> "Newport, Madison County, Ohio"), and a couple fact tags added... other than that, am I doing well? I intend to create an article for all the unincorporated communities in Madison and Union county (at least, maybe keep going after that)... just wanted to know if what you've fixed were a couple minor article naming issues I overlooked, or if I should just stop now because they aren't worth the bandwidth they're printed on? - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

RE: Your adding fact tags to my community articles... Do we really need an inline citation when anyone that clicks on any of the GPS links can look at a map? - Adolphus79 (talk) 23:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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Again... - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

yes/no

actually i'm worried the access might be closed, because the docs have not been reviewed for whether they cover address restricted sites. from correspondence friday, they are aware of the page. apparently some should not be open to us. i am imagining it could possibly blow up on monday. yes=i downloaded a copy, would be able to share in future. doncram (talk) 01:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll watch and respond here. They haven't taken anything down yet (i have just been noting that a few recent ones are not available because they probably never were, and the info for them probably is from new weekly listing announcements). i am just concerned that some or all of it could possibly be closed down on monday as a workday, yes, given concern expressed in one email i received. do you have, or could you get, all the OH ones, say? doncram (talk) 02:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I've never before downloaded any, although I've just downloaded the entire no5 group, 44 forms from South Carolina. Which ones do you mean — just the OH ones in "no" sections, or everything? Nyttend (talk) 02:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Check your email, by the way. Nyttend (talk) 02:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Done with Ohio. Nyttend (talk) 03:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

These links that aren't working appear not to have been working for some time. See this edit from two weeks ago: you added links for many that weren't working. I don't know where these numbers came from, because they weren't in the original version of the page; hence, I'd assume that they were never online. They were added in this series of edits by Einbierbitte, apparently from old weekly listings pages, but I'm still not sure whence the numbers themselves were derived. I was surprised to see these added in the first place, because when I created the list it was exclusively meant to help us find which of the PDFs online was the one we wanted, not to be a list of all MPS forms ever made, whether or not they were online. I actually considered removing them, but, aware that this wasn't Nyttend's list, I thought better of it. Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a section you want me to help with, or do you and doncram have it all under control? Lvklock (talk) 16:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Done, pending your confirmation as you noted at my talk page. :) Lvklock (talk) 00:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, i did ID, LA, MA, and TX. doncram (talk) 15:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Community directories

You're welcome. I'm trying to (gradually) finish off a few other states on top of Wisconsin and Oregon, and the lists have been pretty helpful. --TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:38, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

NRHPs visited

I know! I never finished the first time through on the NRHPs, and I visted more of each this weekend.....Ah, well. One more thing on my to do list, along with uploading new pics from Buffalo, and old pics from various places still sitting on my computer. I'll get there. Lvklock (talk) 03:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Township map

Any luck with downloading that township map, or is the link permanently dead? By the way, no biggie on the Aurora church. I think you just mixed up the route it's on with its address. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:25, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Harassment

Hi Nyttend- If you could have a look at some edits, I would be interested to see if they fall under Harassment. The anonymous Special:Contributions/71.64.103.117 (read some of the edit summaries on his contributions page) put this on my talk page and the same thing on my user page. He also put the same thing on the talk page for User:JeffBillman. He also placed "refimprove" tags on several sections of two pages I have edited extensively, Kent, Ohio and Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio) despite both of them being pretty well-sourced. If anything, these fall under WP:PA --JonRidinger (talk) 17:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Also please note this edit summary from revision ID 317846711 of the article at Kent, Ohio. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

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Oh and sorry to alarm you with the subtitle here...next time I'll put a question mark with it.  :) --JonRidinger (talk) 02:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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Doesn't matter to me, I know what you mean :) --JonRidinger (talk) 19:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

P.S. You can add User:MaroonGoldSpike1 to the list of user names of the anonymous User:71.64.103.117. Nothing has happened (besides edits at Stow-Munroe Falls High School, an article I have all but abandoned), but just be aware. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Never meant to imply that his edits at that article were negative (albeit misled, for instance 9 citations on one simple fact about the athletic teams playing their home matches at the high school and 4 on the statement that it is commonly referred to as Stow High School). Most of his edits are usually OK. Apparently, another editor has started looking at it. My reasons for this belief are the first use of the account being today, the user name being related to Stow-Munroe Falls High School (maroon and gold are the school colors), all edits being on the aforementioned article, and the nature of the edits is virtually the same (several small successive edits, adding excessive citations, reverting own edits, etc.). On top of that, the user has done the same thing as the anonymous user and the other user names by placing a word on both the user page and talk page and then blanking them. Perhaps he/she keeps forgetting their password? But this is something like the 15th different user name. I haven't tried interacting, but you'll understand my reluctance to. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

In looking at the talk page for Mr. MaroonGoldSpike1, I believe it may have been created before the block. But as I write this, I am about to find out if the user has created yet another account, this one being User:3227Egraham. 3227 E. Graham is the address of Stow-Munroe Falls High School. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

So far, it does not appear that User:3227Egraham is the same, at least as far as initial interactions and edits have gone, though it is a brand new account. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

OK...thanks. Was hoping it wasn't a ruse of sockpuppetry, but maybe a new editor.  :: sigh :: --JonRidinger (talk) 20:26, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I have pretty much verified it's the same person as he/she posted on my talk page and referenced a discussion we had months ago. Not that I'm surprised based on the user name. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I have opened a sockpuppet investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Smfhs photographer concerning the different user accounts editing Stow-Munroe Falls High School. Please feel free to comment there if you are interested, thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Wamego

Hello, I am new to editing on wikipedia, so I understand that I may have been guilty of copyright violations, but I do think I had a few valid posts as well. Were these removed as a group, or were they all proven to be inaccurate? I am trying to update a rather out of date page, and my writing may not have all been original (though as a wamego patron I know I would have the permission of those who did write it), but the fact is, the collection at the oz museum is no longer Todd Machin's, There is a Patti Page exhibit presented by her nephew, Wamego's history extends beyond the year 2000, Steve Balderson is only a notable person to himself, and there are festivals and events that I would like to better represent. However, I will try to better reference my material, it is just frustrating to have every post of mine removed. I hope to make some conservative edits tonight, and I hope I have not been blacklisted. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feltshammer (talk • contribs) 05:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Grrrrowl.....

Sometimes my colleague editors are frustratingly fast with photos... This is not the first time that I've had a batch of photos to post and I've thought about editing both the relevant NRHP listing article and the individual articles all at the same time so that I could punch the two or three or four Save buttons all at once and not have a colleague pick and place one of my photos. Give the poor photog an hour or maybe even half a day to write text, pick photos, etc. Then, of course, if you don't like his/her choices, change them. You must have had this happen to you -- you've posted ten times as many photos as I. Frustrated but still cordially, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 22:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies and thank you for the Bellamy and Birkhoff house photos. I gave you a hard time above and then this time you courteously held off, and I didn't follow through. I will say in my defense that I did put them on List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts -- but obviously completely forgot to add them also to the two NRHP articles. Thanks. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 23:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK nom

Thanks for nominating the article, and for letting me know - I'm pleased that you appreciated it. Best wishes, Warofdreams talk 13:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Questa

Hello. I want you to know that the Chevron mine in Questa has been idle/closed for over 2 years, and is not the primary source of employment here in this dirty tiny town. The mine has in fact been purchasing land in a land-grab and evicting people off of the land where they had rented because the soil is polluted from their mine. The mine is indeed the primary source of pollution here. I mean you are in Ohio, why would what you think is more likely have any bearing on what is here?- I guess you figure jesus

will fix it or it somehow does not matter to get the truth outPeace.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.58.82 (talk) 22:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC) 

kelleys island

There are two historic districts on the island: one encompassing the village (Kelleys Island South Shore District) established in 1975, and one covering the entire island (Kelleys Island Historic District) established in 1988. One district being completely engulfed by another is not uncommon. I've listed several sources at Talk:Kelleys Island, Ohio that does state that the entire island is a National Register district. Please take a look and see if you agree. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 01:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Christ Church (Stevensville, Maryland 1880)

Thanks for undoing the move of Christ Church (Stevensville, Maryland) to Christ Church (Stevensville, Maryland 1880). I didn't quite understand why User:Zink Dawg made that move. I will go ahead and change the links back.--Pubdog (talk) 09:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks also for taking care of most of the links, etc. Best wishes--Pubdog (talk) 09:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

North Bridgton, Maine

Hi-would you please take a look at the North Bridgton, Maine article? I am not sure about the template-I came across it on your ZIPCODE list-Many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You may want to take a look at the Pennsylvania ZIPCODE list there are 4-5 bluelinks that are redirected to different articles and I am not sure why-I just left them

Jean Guisande

Hello. You deleted this article per WP:CSD#G5 "Pages created by banned users in violation of their ban having no substantial edits by others." Looking at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ladnavfan/Archive there seems to be no evidence that User:Ladnavfan is a banned user or that s/he added this article while banned or even blocked. Hence neither of the two necessary criteria for G5 seem to be satisfied. Is there something I'm missing here? Rhomb (talk) 19:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that -- I had not picked up on the fact that it had been determined to be a hoax as well. Rhomb (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mary of Woodstock

On October 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mary of Woodstock, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikipedia:Did you know 07:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Quincy, Massachusetts

Re: your recent reversion [1], it appears you also deleted an entire columns' worth of summaries that were added by Jameslwoodward (talk · contribs), and I am not sure if that was your intention. I actually was responding to his question on the list talk page, where he questioned the name of Adams National Historical Park in the list. In making that edit, I attempted to repair the WP:MOS violating linked header, which was the single word "Quincy". That seemed out of place and also should not have been linked. But Quincy probably should be linked, which is why I added the copy-paste lead paragraph. I don't see how that type of lead could hurt but if you are aware of a standardized NRHP list lead that has consensus, such as the one you pointed out for Dukes, by all means put that in. How difficult can it be to do that? I would do it myself, but I am not sure if there was some discussion about the structure, whether to use a city location map like File:Quincy_ma_highlight.png, etc. Sswonk (talk) 21:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Nyttend, re: [2], I don't know who "we" is, but that's idiotic. There is no reason to use a name that is no longer in use, simply because the NR can't get its act together. I know you're a sysop who's approaching 120K edits, but I don't think that by ignoring my question above and then doing a 3RR violation on this you have done yourself any favors. Use common sense, the "site" no longer exists, except on the list your "we" uses. Sswonk (talk) 05:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Sswonk i am one other in that "we" probably, and we are not idiots. There is a reason to use the National Register names for places in lists of National Register places. Namely, to show what is listed on the National Register. Note the National Register name shows at other websites as well such as this one. That's different than anyone arguing that the wikipedia aticle about the place should be named by that, if it is not the current common name for the place. No one is arguing for the latter. Nyttend and I and others do also work with the National Register in pointing out corrections to be made to the National Register's NRIS database, especially where it has obvious typos. I don't know that this case is one where the NRIS is hopelessly out of date or even wrong at all. The place was in fact listed on the National Register under the name Adams National Historic Site in 1966. That should be shown in a list-article about NRHP places and should also be mentioned in the article. Also your edit summary says there was a name change for the site in 1998. Can you provide a source for that? If it was a formal name change it should have appeared as a renaming in the National Register, and if you could provide a more precise date I would try to look through copies of the National Register listings to find it (and if the NRHP name has actually changed, then NRIS would in fact be in error now and the NRHP list-article should indeed be updated). doncram (talk) 07:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, we have [3], which spells it out but actually doesn't say the name changed. Even better is [4]:

REFERENCES TO THE HISTORIC SITE.—Any reference in any law (other than this Act), regulation, document, record, map, or other paper of the United States to the Adams National Historic Site shall be considered to be a reference to the historical park.

So, good for Nyttend, he's not really wrong. No 3RR violation either, by the way, just 3 reinstatements in slightly over 24 hours, only one of which was a direct revert. By the way, thanks for seeing the late night/early morning/needed some sleep use of the word "idiotic" for what it was, a synonym of "silly". I wasn't calling anyone an idiot; far from it. It does seem outdated to me and I think it would be common sense to change it except for the reasons given. FWIW, I am planning on contributing to this list via photography down the road, let me know how I can help. You, Nyttend, Polaron et al. do good work with this so I appreciate the quick responses to keep my confusion level at a minimum. Sswonk (talk) 12:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I edit conflicted with Sswonk while writing what's below, but I think it's still useful because I'm not certain where we've come out so far.

The question and, I think, the confusion here arises because the official name is different on different government lists. In a similar nearby case, the weather station on Blue Hill is

• Great Blue Hill Weather Observatory on National Register of Historic Places listings in Milton, Massachusetts
• Blue Hill Meteorological Observatory on List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts

with, in each case, a note in the summary column showing the other name. The article happens to be under the NRHP name, but I would probably routinely put the article under the "senior" name. So in the case of the Adams NHP, I suggest using:

• Adams National Historical Park (as it is now) on List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts#Historic areas of the NPS in Massachusetts
• Adams National Historical Site on National Register of Historic Places listings in Quincy, Massachusetts. As for a reference for the names and dates, I've put it in the article.

BTW, Sswonk, I've got the 90-odd sites in Quincy in my viewfinder as well, so maybe we should coordinate? . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 12:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Sswonk and Jameslwoodward. I did just check through the National Register announcements in weeks after the November 2, 1998 date, and find no National Register announcement for this one. I'll add an entry about this case to wp:NRIS info issues#Massachusetts: property names now, to support an inquiry to the National Register as to whether this should be renamed in the National Register. There's been a good accumulation of similar questions for other Massachusetts NRHP listings, by the way, so it's about time to submit a batch covering them all. The National Register prefers to receive state-specific batches so that they can work with a state contact towards resolving the issues, where it is not simply a typo by the NR staff. In some situations, perhaps this one, the National Register staff cannot make a change directly, but have to receive a state-submitted correction/change submission. doncram (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Denver Neighborhood Article Vandalism?

Could you advise (or refer) me regarding more possible vandalism on Denver neighborhood articles, please? Specifically, the articles in question (so far today) are West Colfax, Denver and Denver West Side Jewish Community. Do today's edits on these articles constitute vandalism? How do I revert an article after someone has made four or five sequential edits? In other words, how do I revert four edits at once? Thanks and kind regards, Denverjeffrey (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. He's still at it, as we speak. Denverjeffrey (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you, but I find myself involved in an "edit war," one that I really don't want to be in, regarding these two articles: Denver West Side Jewish Community and West Colfax, Denver. May I trouble you to help or offer advice? Thank you, Denverjeffrey (talk) 16:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

What exactly am I doing that's wrong?? I am merely adding information to these articles that I have intimate knowledge of. The deleting of my contributions and/or adding incorrect information would constitute vandalism more than my actions. If the information is true, unbiased, and isn't negative- let it be. Let others contribute !!! Don't be so rude to just delete someone else's contributions without any reason or giving them the benefit of the doubt. 75.71.248.140 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.248.140 (talk) 16:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

HAER documentation

I undid your edit to McConnell's Mill Covered Bridge, restoring the Historic American Engineering Record (HAER) survey number and title so that this documentation can still be found if the link dies. The HAER survey number is of similar importance to the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) reference number in the infobox for this article and the World Guide to Covered Bridges (WGCB) number found in nearby covered bridge entries such as Bitzer's Mill Covered Bridge. Your deletion removed useful information from the article; I put it back. Martindelaware (talk) 02:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Jamaica Vermont Businesses

Hello. I have a question about re-editing my contribution to the Jamaica, Vermont page. Would it be more acceptable to mention the types of businesses as opposed to naming them? Just curious about consensus on protocol. I've seen other neighborhood pages with listings of proprietors. Having recently spent time in Jamaica I was struck how this town has businesses unlike the surrounding municipalities of the same size. Thanks for your advice. --Splendoroftheirroots (talk) 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Glen Store and Post Office

I never found it on the National Register of Historic Places website (since it is missing a few places), so I looked here and found it. Here is the link to the official papers for the house: [5] Thanks-(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 22:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC))

If you look on pgs 7-14 on the packet you will find that there is a National Registry for Historic Places nomination form. There is a plaque on the front door, and I will happily give you a photo of that when I can. Thanks-(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC))

Sutliff

Nyttend- Sutliff is 5.4 miles from Lisbon, 8.4 miles from Solon, and 19.0 miles from Iowa City. Trust me, I know where it is... Bill Whittaker (talk) 12:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: National Register of Historic Places listings in Blair County, Pennsylvania

I'm glad I could help. And believe me, I know what it's like trying to edit while drowsy! --Stepheng3 (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Madison, Nebraska

I've reversed your recent edit to the article on Madison, Nebraska. I've included justification for my reversal on the article's discussion page-- I assume that would be a better place than this page to discuss the issue. I'm very new to this editing business, so please correct me gently if I've committed some kind of Wikisolecism. --Ammodramus (talk) 16:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Re. your latest note at my talk page-- and I hope I'm replying via the appropriate venue--

No offense taken whatsoever: quite the opposite, in fact. As I said, I'm very new at this editing business, and I appreciate your patience in helping a newcomer learn the ropes.

Thanks especially for the help on the citation. That looks like a subject that's going to cause me a certain number of headaches, especially since Wikipedia doesn't have a standard house style. The section on citations says that if I supply enough information, other editors will eventually put them in the right format; but I'd rather do things right from the start.

I have my camera here, and I was planning to take some pictures of Madison. I hadn't thought about looking for NRHP sites, but will certainly do so; I thought I'd photograph the Tyson plant, as the town's largest employer. However, for the past several days it's been cloudy and rainy, and I'd rather wait for clear weather to take pictures-- especially of the pork plant, which is a large white building and would show up very badly against a white sky.

A question about that: If I add a photo to the article, is it appropriate for me to remove the photo request from the discussion page? I get the impression that it's not considered proper to edit anything that someone else has put on the discussion page, but this situation seems like an exception.

--Ammodramus (talk) 16:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again, especially for the suggestion on getting the article rated. I'd like to add some history of the town before I do that.

I get the impression from your contribution history that you're particularly interested in Nat'l Registry of Historic Places sites. If I take pictures of such sites and upload them to Wikimedia Commons, is there anything I should do beyond categorizing them as NRHP sites in Nebraska (or whichever state)?

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Checked out the Anna Town Hall picture with great interest. I see that the original picture was quite large, and that there was a 600x800 preview (which showed up when I clicked the link) as well as thumbnails of other pictures, presumably of the same size. Is there any problem with my uploading such a large picture? I'd prefer to do so-- among other things, I have trouble with moiré patterns when I take smaller pictures of brick buildings. On the other hand, I don't want large pictures to cause problems with downloading speed.

Sun is trying to come out, so I might try for some pictures around Madison this afternoon.

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Tried for some pictures around Madison this afternoon. Decided that the Tyson plant requires morning light, since it'd be best shot from the southeast. St. Leonard's Church is undergoing maintenance and has scaffolding on the steeple, so I'll go back and shoot that on another visit to Madison. I got pictures of First Presbyterian from the southwest and from the south; it should be shot from the SE as well, but that's a morning project. Two-thirds of one out of three isn't bad?

Will try to upload the First Presby pictures to W'media Commons. If I run into trouble, I'll probably holler for help. If it works, I'll probably try to do likewise with a few more of my Gosper County courthouse photos. Among others, I've got one of the cornerstone, which is how I know that the architects, McClure & Walker, were a Kearney firm. Can you footnote to a cornerstone?

The lines on the sunlit wall of the church photo you sent me are what I'd call moiré patterns, or interference patterns. Another (or similar) term is "aliasing", and there's an article on that as well. It may even be that the latter is a more appropriate term in the context of digital photography (and it may be the name by which you know those patterns). As I understand, lots of cameras have anti-aliasing systems, though the price is a loss of sharpness. I've noticed that I get it rather badly if I take small photos, even if I specify high quality; I haven't seen it as a problem with larger ones.

Thanks again for the advice; expect to have more requested--

--Ammodramus (talk) 19:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Glad I could make a useful contribution re. UPC. Off in Ohio, you're probably not much aware of the political dynamics of Madison County, Nebraska. Madison is the county seat, but Norfolk is something like ten times as large, and it's very common for people to automatically assume that anything in Madison County is in Norfolk. I once submitted a report of an unusual bird seen by the courthouse to the person who keeps track of such things for Nebraska; and he duly reported that it'd been seen "near the Madison County courthouse (Norfolk)." Gives Madison a bit of a municipal inferiority complex...

If you've looked at my UPC pictures, are they and the appended information OK? As far as titling them and setting categories, I tried to follow the example you sent me. Regarding the pictures, I wasn't crazy about the cars in front; if you think it'd be better, I'll look out for an opportunity of re-taking them.

--Ammodramus (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Excellent suggestions both. I saw the links in the description of the Anna town hall, but didn't know how to get them. You've saved me a lot of searching through the help-sections, and I've started putting links in. Will probably set up a category for my pictures, too. I'm egotistical enough to wonder: can I add my picture files to my watch list as though they were articles, and in that case will it give me an ego-gratifying message if and when someone ever uses one in an article?

--Ammodramus (talk) 03:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks yet again. I tried creating a "Pictures by Ammodramus" category, and it seems to have worked, at least for the first picture. One question, though: I notice that your "Files by User:Nyttend" category is included in "Hidden categories". What's the purpose of that? Is it something I should do?

--Ammodramus (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Ich sehe gern, daß mein Bild auf Deutsch-Wikipedia steht.

And in nine or ten words, I've probably committed at least that many errors in grammar and spelling. And that's without even having adjective endings to worry about...

--Ammodramus (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

"...but I don't speak German..."

In a way, you're fortunate. Mark Twain explains why.

My German is pretty nominal-- four semesters in college some thirty years ago, with a brief annual refresher when my aunt thrusts a sheaf of Christmas cards from our German relatives at me and demands translations, then charges me with translating our Christmas letter to them. It can take five minutes to figure out the ending for a single adjective. Twain simplifies it, if anything-- you not only have to account for the gender, number, and case of the noun, but also whether it's preceded (a) by no article or article-like word ("He's afraid of big dogs"), (b) by an indefinite article or other "ein"-type word ("My sister was attacked by a big dog"), or (c) by a definite article or other "der"-type word ("The police shot the big dog that attacked my sister").

And then there are separable verbs. A real-life example I found a few years ago was for a guest ranch near Tombstone, Arizona, that catered to German tourists. The word for "to invite" is "einladen", and when you conjugate it, you put the conjugated form of "laden" in the second position in the sentence, which is where the main verb goes in German, then exile the "ein" prefix to the end. The sentence came out something like "We VITE you to ride the trails of the Old West with our knowledgeable and interesting guides, then to sit around the campfire in the evening eating steak and beans and singing songs of the cowboys IN." It's actually worse than that, because in English "vite" doesn't mean anything; whereas in German, "laden" can be a free-standing verb. Time and time again, in trying to read German, I've worked my way through a sentence trying to make sense out of what I thought was the verb, then reaching the end and discovering that dislocated prefix that changed the whole meaning of it. </tirade>

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Townships

Hi Nyttend,

In this edit summary, you state Independence is governmentally independent and thus located without the township. However, if that was the case, Washington Township, Buchanan County, Iowa would not state Independence is within the township. I understand that some cities, such as those within Black Hawk County, have redrawn the township lines, but the map on Sumner Township, Buchanan County, Iowa doesn't show this. Do you have a source for the statement that Independence is independent of either Sumner or Washington Township? The map here seems to indicate otherwise. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 18:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Nyttend. Carry on. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 07:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: 'Ō'ōkala, Hawaii

The {{coord}} template does not have a "city" parameter. (See the template documentation.) Did it have one in the past? I assume what was intended was "type:city", so that's what I changed it to. I added "_region:US-HI" so that U.S. mapping resources would come up when the link was clicked. I hope that clears things up. Cheers! --Stepheng3 (talk) 21:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

That was before my time, so I don't know the full story, but it appears that {{coord}} was an all-new template which eventually superseded {{coor dms}} and several others--see Template:Coord/doc#Superseded templates. It also looks like Legobot did a shoddy job of converting the template on 'Ō'ōkala, Hawaii. --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I notice that the {{Coord}} documentation claims that all parameters can be used as before. Since that's apparently not true, I will correct the documentation. --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

National Register Listings for Guernsey County

Thanks for the help with the National Register Listings. The Guernsey County listings left are turning out to be elusive. The Ebenezer Finley House seems to have been either moved or destroyed and the Peter B. Sarchet House is located behind an electrified fence out in the middle of no where. May take awhile to be able to upload those. I think Monroe and Noble counties may be easier and I hope to complete them within the next few weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwsmith84 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you know a good resource to find delisted properties? I have a certain property showing up on nrhp website, but it doesn't appear on the nps focus website. Help me Obi-Wan KeNyttend, you're my only hope. Bwsmith84 (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

NPS Classified structures

Looks like the images are back! It'd probably be worth checking B&W images to make sure they're not re-using the NRHP images without attribution. Otherwise, based on a spot-check, it looks like there are a lot of new NPS-generated shots that should be usable here as PD. Acroterion _(talk) 20:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Custer County, Nebraska

You recently reverted an edit to Custer County, Nebraska. The edit was something like 12,314 and changed to 12,315. Why did you revert that?  Btilm  04:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

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King Salmon, California

I reverted your edit to the Humboldt County template because King Salmon, California is an unincorporated county locality, but is considered part of Eureka as it included in the 95503 Zip code, which is a Eureka, California zip. In effect it is a neighborhood without the benefit or disadvantage of being in the city limits. The city, which has never enjoyed the advantage of stable growth/development has worked in partnership with the County of Humboldt to provide its unincorporated citizens with services, such as water, sewer, and fire protection. Norcalal 06:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Garrettsville water department

Hey Nyttend- The source didn't indicate much of anything as it was the minutes from a previous meeting. It really didn't support what was being said in the section from what I read and made no mention of any specific policy to hire minors or use them on any notable scale. The one specific person it mentioned makes no reference to the fact the individual is a minor and the editor who added it put the person's graduation year ('08) which would not make him a minor anymore. If a better source can be found, of course it could be mentioned in the article, but maybe one or two sentences in the government section or something. --JonRidinger (talk) 16:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium

Hey Nyttend...need some advice here. When you get a chance, take a look at the edit history of Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium. There has been a back-and-forth edit between myself and at least one new editor and an anonymous editor (which I suspect is the same user). It stems from the inclusion of a statement regarding the stadium's record crowd, which this user feels needs to be mentioned in the lead as the 7th largest listed record crowd (even though it is by no means the 7th largest crowd to ever see a college football game). The lead already mentions the stadium being ranked 7th by listed capacity. I'm pretty much at the limit for 3RR, so any help or additional insight you can give would be great. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Photos from here and there and everywhere

I'm impressed: how do you get the time to go to Greenville and Washington Courthouse? Nyttend (talk) 02:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I am an insurance agent and find myself everywhere for CE classes. Not to mention many photos are from years ago during vacations and family visits which I have just scanned in. I recall a saying about a rolling stone. Bwsmith84 (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Burlington, Vermont

I think we have decided that there are sufficient articles (but one) for stuff outside Burlington, Vermont: Chittenden County, and Burlington-South Burlington Metropolitan Area. There has been a "Plattsburg connection" across the Lake. The only way to get there "conveniently" (?) is by ferry. There seems to have been more of a link when Plattsburg had an AF base. A jobs thing, I suppose. I have never been there! Apparently they target Burlington on radio, & vice-versa, if you believe our new editor.

So there could be (I hope not) a "Greater Burlington-Plattsburg" article, but I would try to afd it! )

In the meantime, stuff placed in Burlington needs to be moved elsewhere IMO. I will try to do that. (So much easier with real vandals - just revert!  :). Drat! Student7 (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I can agree on uvm hockey, just hate to set a precedent and have to tell kids they can't insert their latest h.s. lacrosse game into Burlington.

There are multiple ferries to different places in NY, probably a lot more prevalent when there was more commerce between Plattsburg and Burlington. I am not familiar with them. Your experience is what leads me to think that the Plattsburg-Burlington connection is a bit stretched. Yes, if you miss a ferry, you've had it! Not like the NY ferries of olden days - when you missed one, there was another in a few minutes = signals a lot of commerce IMO.

Also, I loused up the Mt. Mansfield TV station which someone will probably re-insert - major station. I kind of remember (after I had deleted it) that we had argued that one out before. I probably lost!  :) Student7 (talk) 15:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

File:Win button.jpg

Hi, it would seem to be pretty straightforward to retain that image with a nonfree use rationale. Would you be willing to restore it provisionally? Regards, Durova³⁴⁸ 13:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places in Alabama template

Hi Nyttend, I noticed your changes to the National Register of Historic Places in Alabama template; would you take a look at the other new state templates also? Altairisfar_talk 14:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you would be aware of the discussion at the NRHP project. They are Template:National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania and Template:National Register of Historic Places Oregon. Altairisfar_talk 14:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Karl Stefan building

Thanks. It helped that I had great lighting. I got some more pictures of Nebraska NRHP sites yesterday; but today there was a heavy overcast, and photos would've made the buildings look excessively gloomy.

I was looking for buildings based on the information in National Register of Historic Places listings in Nebraska. I suspect that some of the addresses are wrong. I corrected some obvious mistakes a few days ago-- US163 instead of US136 and the like-- but I should probably run down the whole list and compare them to the official site. I wonder if the errors came from the dot-com site that you warned me about.

I don't think Streamline Moderne buildings are terribly common around Nebraska, though I'll certainly keep an eye out for them. I hadn't been to the Norfolk airport in a long time, and hadn't realized how cool it was.

We do have a decent bit of Art Deco. I'll be adding some photos of the city auditorium in York before too long. It's a great building, and I'm surprised it's not on the NRHP. I suspect that the York County Historical Society isn't real active in that regard. Think there are only four buildings listed in the whole county.

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Ouch. I'd hoped that a quick reference to NRIS would allow me to correct things.

If I find errors in name and location and if they're supported by NRIS, should I add them to WP:NRIS issues?

I like what you did with the Madison, Nebraska picture. My original version was hardly visible.

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Photo permission

I am not "withdrawing permissions". I did not fully undertsand the issues with licensing. I have discussed with the various photographers and agreed three photos which may remain. The particular photographer who took that one has point blank refused. It was never legally released into the public domain and it is illegal to display it. --Fiskeharrison (talk) 00:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Kindly stop reverting my legitimate edits. I thought at the time that 'creation' meant of the digital file. I clearly did not take that image, nor the other ones which are of me! Now I understand, I have requested - and negotiated - certain permissions. However, not for that photo. You are putting Wikipedia in breach of copyright law.--Fiskeharrison (talk) 00:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

NRHP photos question/proposals

I've opened the discussion on NRHP photos at Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#NRHP_nomination_photosand hope that you'll comment there. Smallbones (talk) 16:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Freely licensed PennDOT bridge photos

I started a list article at User:Ruhrfisch/Frog1 which lists almost all of them. It seemed like a fork of the Pennsylvania NRHP Bridges article, so I never moved it article space. The bridges are all given on the web in a MPS here:

• "Highway Bridges Owned by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Department of Transportation TR (Thematic Resources)" (PDF). National Park Service. June 22, 1988. Retrieved January 18, 2009. A quick way to see if they are probably on the list is to look at the NRHP listing date (June 22, 1888).

I have sadly only uploaded two of the PennDOT NRHP bridge photos: File:Plunketts Creek Bridge No. 3 Summer.jpg and File:Waterville Bridge NRHP photo.jpg.

I made a template on Commons only: {{Pennsylvania Department of Transportation permission}}

Thanks as always for all of your help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Schoolhouse Photos in Public Domain?

You recently edited the Little Outfit Schoolhouse piece of the National Register of Historic Places for Santa Cruz County, Arizona. You changed the photo back from a new photo added 30 OCT 2009 to a photo added two or three weeks previous. Your reason given was that neither photo had proof of being in the Public Domain. I had come to the same conclusion with regard the original photo but I do have proof (at least I believe it to be proof) that the second photo showing the students walking away from the schoolhouse is in the public domain. Where should I document my proof? Please be detailed because I am not yet very familiar with Wikipedia. Durward3 (talk) 04:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

2 November: Nyttend, in response to the above paragraph you recommended as follows:

I'm not an expert on these things; therefore, to get details, you should ask a question at Wikipedia:Media Copyright Questions or Commons:Commons talk:Licensing. These pages are frequented by those much more familiar with copyright than I am, so they should be able to help you. Nyttend (talk) 05:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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I have followed your suggestion and posted the following query on Media Copyright Questions:

The Little Outfit Schoolhouse was added to the National Register of Historic Places (Santa Cruz County, Arizona) early in 2009. I want to add an image of the schoolhouse to the Wikipedia page. I have characterized the image as being in the public domain with no constraint on its usage but one of the monitors has removed the image saying no proof has been shown that the image is, in fact, in the public domain. I have two questions: 1) Is my proof (see below) sufficient? The image in question

2)If my proof is sufficient, how and where do I post the proof (or the conclusion that the proof is sufficient) so that other monitors can will see it and not remove the image again? My case that the image is in the public domain is that it has been copied from a school brochure which was published in 1943 (or close thereto)by a private school advertising the benefits of the school. I led the effort to have this school (schoolhouse) put on the U.S. Government's National Register of Historic Places so I have made a thorough study of the school's history and what is available as photographs or documents to make the case for inclusion on the register. The school closed as a school in 1950, the owners sold the ranch, school records and files were discarded, and the last of the owners died in 1980. I have talked to the two surviving children of the owners and there are no claims to rights on any of the schools properties. The photograph in question was probably taken by Charles Herbert, an uncle of one of the students when I was there myself in the mid-40s. Herbert was a well known photographer and left a large collection of his work. When he died in 1976 his company, Western Ways, closed its doors. When Herbert's wive died the company's records were donated to the Arizona Historical Society. The Society has given me a complete set of its photographs of the Little Outfit taken by Herbert and the image I have chosen to include is not among them. In several years of hunting for Little Outfit memorabilia I have never encountered anyone other than the Arizona Historical Society who has claimed rights to such objects related to the Little Outfit. My conclusion is that there is no "ownership" of any kind associated with this image and that anyone is free to use it as they will. Thank you for your help in resolving this matter -- I look forward to your directions on how I (we?) should make the above proof more generally available.

User Steve Smith, an administrator of the English Wikipedia has responded as follows:

If it was published in the U.S. in 1943 (or any other time between 1923 and 1950) then the photograph probably is in the public domain, unless somebody renewed its copyright in the year preceding the 28th anniversary of the publication, which does not sound likely. I'd suggest that you re-upload it and affix the appropriate tag: either

I have attempted to follow his instructions but you have once again removed the photograph from its section on the Little Outfit Schoolhouse section of the National Register of Historic Places (Santa Cruz County, Arizona). Please explain what I am missing here and/or what I need to do to correct it. Or please stop removing the photo.

Thank you. Durward3 (talk) 14:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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Hell Gate coordinates

How the heck did you find those??? I searched quite a bit, and couldn't find diddly squat. (Thanks for adding them!) - Tim1965 (talk) 13:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Historical Places help

I'm not sure if it was you that told me, but someone told me about a tool that helps start pages for historical places. Can you point me to that tool? Thanks, CTJF83 chat 20:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks CTJF83 chat 07:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Is this sufficient for a stub/start? I'll got to the library when I get time to search for more. CTJF83 chat 21:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I can't imagine anyone objecting to you posting this text as the article. Not exactly a sub-stub — when I think of a "sub-stub", I think of something like this. Nyttend (talk) 22:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL, that is a mess. Can I use you for a copyedit of Davenport,_Iowa#History? The issues: "The "History" section is sourced primarily to a timeline and a pictorial history. This has created a "factoid" effect. Each paragraph is about a small incident in the town's history, but the section does not convey the overarching history of the town or the town's place in Iowa history." CTJF83 chat 22:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Martin Marmon House

I approved this on DYK, but suggested you add "in Ohio" to the end of the hook. I also think the probable date of construction should be added in that section of the article (I know it is in the Infobox and lead already). Nice article and pic, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:11, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

County fully illustrated

Thanks; I wasn't aware of that. I'll save the link and add any other Nebraska counties that I get fully illustrated.

Question: For some of the sites listed on National Register of Historic Places listings in Nebraska, I can give road names. (I've done so in the descriptions on WM Commons.) For example, the Turkey Creek bridge is on 722 just west of P. Would it be desirable to put those into the WP article instead of generic phrases like "county road"?

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review

Hi Nyttend. Thank you for the unblock and notifiying me about the deletion review process. Yes I would like to have a deletion review for the biography and would greatly appreciate it if you could restore the biography on a subspace under my username for the review process. Deadalus821 (talk) 02:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Text of My Deleted FanFiction please?

UncharteredDesert (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC).

Townships

Months ago you left me a message about township naming in Pennsylvania. For some reason which I now forget, I didn't manage a response at the time and never thought to get back to it; sorry about that. However, I see you've already done the renames there, and I definitely support that; if there are other states in need of such work, I'd be willing to help if necessary. Omnedon (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Martin Marmon House

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Milton -- Hornfels

Before I post Milton as "fully-illustrated" are you OK with the map for Massachusetts Hornfels-Braintree Slate Quarry? Any photograph -- aerial or on the ground -- will be just woods -- and the map shows the area south of Chickatawbut Road where the site must be, assuming that the location in Milton is not disinformation (Braintree is the next town over). . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 11:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

NowCommons: File:MO Bangkok exterior.jpg

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Three -- Forks -- Page

Hello, I edited the three forks page because I do not believe Three Forks, having lived there for several years to be a city, it is only a town; or indeed a very small city. I believe i was wronged when a message was sent to me saying i had "vandalized" the pageArcanepublic (talk) 03:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey Nyttend

Says here you deleted my Wiki in progress Northwood_MS for a Middle School. By all means, that was out of line, can't believe you have the time to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentnwms (talk • contribs) 07:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Delaware County, Pennsylvania

Thanks for your interest in my little project. As far as adding all the pictures to Commons - I've always been uncomfortable with Commons for some reason - maybe I'll get over it once this little project is done. In the meantime since I've given each photo to the Public Domain, anybody is free to add it to Commons or use it in any way that they want.

"Finishing" all the photos will be tough. Out of 80+ listings, there are about 15 to go. I'll be able to get 5 easily enough, and about 5 may be impossible (Destroyed, on very private property, miscategorized, etc.). I'd like to get an article (or at least a section in an article) for each listing and will probably spend most of my wikitime on that, even if the articles are stubbish summaries of the NRHP nomination. It would, of course, be wonderful if you wanted to pitch in! All but 1 or 2 of the nominations are at ARCH.

Probably more important to me would be a model county listing - something to emulate. Could you recommend a list of National Register of Historic Places listings in X County, Y State that you think works well?

And thanks again, especially for checking my brackets :[[

Smallbones (talk) 16:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

R. H. Stearns House move

Would you move R. H. Stearns House to R. H. Stearns Building for me? As I noted on wp:NRIS info issues, the building is actually not his house, but the last headquarters of his department store chain, so the latter is where the article belongs. I was dumb -- I created "Building", then remembered that I should move "House" rather than just blank and redirect it. Thanks. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 17:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you... I've been trying to resaerch this location through the PC Historical Society for a while now... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Idaho towns and cities.

Hello,

I am trying to expand many of the town’s cities and unincorporated places and other named areas in Northern Idaho.

This is a talk page so I am sorry but I don't have the exact Idaho decree that created much of this issue. But a several years ago, the Idaho state government changed the zoning laws for local government and tied it to funding.

In several counties Idaho County, Idaho is one of a few I can name of the top of my head there are no zoning or local building codes. The local governments then had to decide if they were going to fill out the laborious paper work or not. Many smaller places that had formerly been known as towns or villages had to either become cities or un-incorporated.

It looks as though this is a major sticking point in many of your edits of Idaho places.

Many of these unincorporated towns still have town governments which in the eastern part of the US would be considered homeowners associations or other civic groups. Some have joint school districts a major reason for deciding if you were going to change from town or village or just unincorporate. Also many Towns and Villages became Cities. But are still referred too by local residences as towns and villages, many still have road signs, and civic slogans that have the word town in them, it has always been that way why change them.

Mullan which you edit everything I put into it has gone from a Village to a town to a city. The town of Mullan has gone through this in order to protect the school from having to join a joint school district and to have the kids bussed to Silverton, Idaho (another place that once was a town, but choose unincorperate) for the elementary school, and Wallace, Idaho for the high school. Yes Mullan is a city, but it is referred too as a town, by almost every one, some still call it a village. The City of Mullan, motto slogan which is on the business cards for the mayor, city clerk, and other city employees is the “Town of trails” even thought it’s a city.

The City of troy is referred too as a town, and it is listed as a town even on the side of Tracie’s police car she is troy’s police force.

Many of the places that I am adding to Wiki have historic significance not just on a local level but on a national level too. Frisco, Mace, Gem, Mullan, Big Creek, Elk Creek, and Pine creek are all places, some are mines, some are towns or former towns, and some are just areas. I am going over and adding what I can sourcing what I can, much of the source material can’t be found online, most are in obscure books I read in college or federal records, or browning stacks of local papers that have been out of business for 40 years. Many of the records and things I post are from old newspapers that were shredded and used as insulation, only to be found 100 years later when someone remodels a building and frames it some don’t even have the name of the paper left on it.

I am trying to put some of this information on Wiki not because I want to damage it, but so that my children have a written record of the history of place. Many of the older generation are moving out of the silver valley, many families left in 1981, when the Bunker Hill and Sullivan closed down. Some of their children and grand children, might be looking for a starter so they can add to it and give these places a history, a legacy, they might have better citations, but if no one starts who can expand.

I have no problem with you editing my english but please leave some of these things out there to start the conversation Lostpl8 (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Archaeology Site Nos

in the US, almost all states use the Smithsonian Trinomal, eg. 13LE10 is Fort Madison (1808-1813). 13 is Iowa alphabetically (excluding alaska and hawaii), LE is short for Lee county, and it was the 10th site to be registered in Lee county. Sometimes controversy emerges, for example in Missouri about 8 years ago both the Missouri Archaeological Survey and the Missouri Historic Preservation officer were both assigning numbers, often contradictory, this was because of some stupid dispute. Bill Whittaker (talk) 23:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Michigan

While I have no objections to your reverting the addresses of the items in the list in the National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Michigan article back to their verbatim text, the only thing I would argue against is the location of the Detroit River Light. Various sources indicate either South Rockwood or Rockwood. The NRHP site mentions Rockwood, while these sites ([6][7][8]) mention South Rockwood. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because if the lighthouse were part of Rockwood, it would be in Wayne County instead of Monroe. Despite being owned by the USCG, to be in Monroe County (and considering its location within Monroe's water boundary on a number of maps [9][10][11]), it would have to be in the jurisdiction of South Rockwood. —Notorious4life (talk) 02:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. I'm a geography/history graduate, and I like to use what I know, as well as my researching abilities, to contribute to a wide array of Michigan articles. The problem is that I come across so much conflicting evidence from a variety of websites and primary sources, especially when researching a subject of which I'm only vaguely familiar. I know the area where I live like the back of my hand (and to the boredom of many), but the Detroit River Light is a stumping issue; as far as I've researched, it is in Monroe County water, but Rockwood and South Rockwood are often viewed as just one larger city straddling two counties (similar to Milan, Michigan). I'm going to have to look at some additional sources. Since you're an administrator with 50 times my amount of edits, I respect your advice and input on how I can improve my contributions. I have looked at all the other NRHP articles for the rest of Michigan, but, of course, I'm trying to improve my county's article first before tackling the state. —Notorious4life (talk) 02:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your removing of the NYC bridge from the Monroe County NHRP article. I was the one that originally added it, because I saw it on a few lists and on this document (Part IX - although it may have just been nominated but not approved). I tried locating additional sources to verify this bridge's inclusion. I couldn't find any, and you removed it from the article before I had to chance to go back and do so myself. Also, for North Maumee Bay, it's probably going to be impossible to find or even take a good picture to show the district since I don't have access to a helicopter to do so. Also, I noticed the image of Gov. Robert McClelland House was removed in the same edit. Was that an unintentional removal? —Notorious4life (talk) 22:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I joined the NRHP Wikiproject and will go through that project, as well many of the other articles within, to see what I can do for finding quality sources and improving the articles of Monroe County and eventually others. Your Champaign County looks very good. The pictures are great too and are a vital part of any article. I was walking around Monroe yesterday taking pictures of some of the buildings, and people were driving by thinking, "Who the hell wants to take a pictures of those dumpy buildings?" It's a shame how much of the history in my area is unknown or unappreciated, and I'm still learning most of it. —Notorious4life (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your help with the National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Michigan article. I've filled that article with enough content to move foward, and I'll add a few more pictures when I get a chance. Yesterday, I created the article George Armstrong Custer Equestrian Monument, which is on the Monroe County NRHP. I was wondering if you could take a minute to go over that article and make any comments or necessary touch-ups. In time, I have some more pictures I can add to the article, but I believe the article is solid enough to at least be out of stub status. I plan to create several more articles for the Monroe County NRHP, although sources and information are lacking on several of them (specifically North Maumee Bay and the Weis Company). Thank you. —Notorious4life (talk) 17:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Garfield Statue

I did! It was on the front page of the Record-Courier today. When I saw it I mentioned to my grandmother that I had gotten some pictures of it with the head missing. :) Now I may have to go get a new picture of it all fixed. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

NRHP dates

A quick question, if I could try your patience...

I've just uploaded some photos of the Clay County, Nebraska courthouse. The Elkman tool, which I assume accesses the NRHP database, gives a date of construction of 1917. The date on the cornerstone of the building (I've included a photo at WM Commons) gives it as 1918.

Is this an error in NRHP, or does it use, say, the date on which the first shovelful of earth was turned, while the cornerstone was laid later? Which date should I use when categorizing the photos?

Thanks in advance for the response, and I apologize for pestering you with so many questions

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Discovered what seemed to be a problem with a date on an NRHP site in Nebraska; then discovered the reason for it.

For the US Post Office-Minden in Kearney County, the Elkman tool returns a date of 1939. The date on the cornerstone is 1936. I was on the verge of reporting this as an error when I checked the Nebraska State Historical Society's National Register sites webpage. They had a link to a PDF of the registration form for the site; and that informed me that the site was listed not for the building, but for a WPA mural inside-- painted in 1939.

I've been in touch with someone at the Historical Society, and she tells me that there's a project under way to make all the registration forms available online. So far, they've only got a small number up, the Minden Post Office's among them.

Embarrassingly, I photographed the interior of the building-- and dismissed the mural as a recent work by Minden schoolchildren, tending to bring down the tone of the place. Clearly I need to learn more about the fine points of 1930s painting...

--Ammodramus (talk) 19:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

A quick follow-up, as I start entering photos:

The Elkman tool lists the architect for the Minden post office as William E. L. Bunn. Bunn was actually the painter of the mural inside; the architect listed on the cornerstone is Louis A. Simon. Is this an error that should be reported, or is this just something we have to live with because of the limitations of the database structure?

Also: I've got photos of the interior that include the mural; and since the mural is given as the reason for the NRHP listing, I'd like to go back and get some pictures of it specifically. Would there be copyright issues with my uploading such photos, or would the mural's age and/or federal-goverment-work status make it public-domain material?

--Ammodramus (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks-- I apologize for continuing to bother you; and if and when I come to know the system as well as you, will try to be as forbearing with novices as you've been with me.

Your summary of the situation was correct; I'm waiting to hear about the copyright status before I upload the rest of my interior photos of the Minden post office. For what it's worth, all of the pictures I took were intended to illustrate the interior of the building, and none focuses on the mural. One shows only the left one-third of the mural; the other two show all or almost all of it, but only as details of the scene-- in one, the mural takes up about 20% of the photo area; in the other, less than 10%. Does the "background" nature of the mural in these photos affect the copyright situation?

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I've got a Y chromosome myself.

--Ammodramus (talk) 03:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments re. Sweetwater Mill Bridge. One unexpected benefit of this project is that I'm learning something about bridge structure-- though I'm still not sure if I know what a Pratt truss is.

Since bridges are often listed for engineering significance, and since I don't know much about bridge engineering, I figure I have to take lots of pictures in hopes of catching the important details. I don't want to take a hatful of panoramic pictures of the bridge, only to discover that it's listed chiefly because it uses left-handed bolts...

--Ammodramus (talk) 06:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Need help for bar chart

File:Worldenc example1.png

Example 1

File:Worldenc example2.png

Example 2

I want to create bar chart for population (for determine an annual trend), please advised me for starting point of bar chart.

example : if county has population

July 2000 Estimate 	43874
July 2001 Estimate 	44437
July 2002 Estimate 	45160
July 2003 Estimate 	45766
July 2004 Estimate 	46941
July 2005 Estimate 	47882
July 2006 Estimate 	49039
July 2007 Estimate 	49830
July 2008 Estimate 	50364

for this chart what should i take starting point???

usually i take starting point 40000, its ok or not???

some one tell me that you must take starting point 0 (zero) is that correct???

Which is better example 1 or example 2 ???

Thanks Worldenc (talk) 07:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

NRHP address issue: Nebraska

I encountered a potential problem in National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Nebraska#Merrick_County, and I'm not sure what (if anything) to do about it.

The Nelson Farm is listed at 1139 M St. in Central City. There is no such address in the city; and the linked map shows the place about four miles west of town.

I suspect that the 1139 M address is correct, but it's by the county-road system and not the Central City system. The city and the county both use lettered and numbered roads, but the systems don't match up.

Unfortunately, the article tends to make the casual reader (by which I mean me) think that it's a Central City address; and a casual reader who went looking for the site (by which I mean me) would experience a certain amount of frustration trying to find it.

My own inclination would be to change the address to "1139 County Road M", or to "4 miles west of Central City: 1139 M". But that's based on original research...

The Elkman tool doesn't bring up information for the site (which was added in August 2009), so I don't know if this is an NRIS issue or not.

Thanks, and I apologize for flinging yet another problem at you--

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Waterfalls, waterfalls, waterfalls!

Feeling wikistress? Wish you could have a vacation someplace with two dozen waterfalls? Well the next best thing is here!

If you want to, please come look at pictures of waterfalls and pick which ones you like best. You'll be helping make a better article too.

Thanks, Dincher (talk) and Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. That wikilink again: User talk:Ruhrfisch/Waterfalls

Thanks for your input so far and have fun with the scouts. I think we're going to keep the poll up for a week, so no hurry. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. The poll is still open - we are slowly working our way through the list article, so we put the current leader images in there as place holders. Hope to hear from DCNR and make sure they are all identified correctly before moving to article space. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Gray County Courthouse (Old)

Thanks for the note. I usually do try to track down information about locations on the state HPO, but in this case, I was in a hurry to get through the new Kansas listings and didn't take the time. Besides, I know I can always count on you to check my work. ;^) --sanfranman59 (talk) 23:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Mathews

A new user went and typed a new article over the existing article for the former NASCAR driver. The new article is in decent shape and the new person appears to be notable enough. My question is how do we deal with this problem yet stay within the GDFL. Is it enough to just do a cut and paste to the new article or is the deletion/history-merge admin thingy needed? I looked around for some time and didn't come up with anything clear. I'm hoping (and guessing) that you or one of your talk page stalkers knows of the top of their head. Thanks! Royalbroil 13:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I've used {{for}} a lot. Might be time for Ryan Mathews (disambiguation) since there are 2 other uses besides the NASCAR driver. My question was how to deal with the GDFL. Thanks for taking care of it! Royalbroil 14:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I wondered if spliting the history was the way to go, but I thought I'd look before I leap since it takes a fair bit of time. Royalbroil 14:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I think you did a great job! A few little things - I would have named the NASCAR driver article Ryan Mathews (racer) since ARCA is arguable notable series to warrant an article and you never know what direction he will start racing. Also, that template that you linked my on talk page needs to be deleted - should be speedy eligible since it's an unused template. I have to leave church immediately and I'll be gone doing other things today. Thanks for you help! Royalbroil 14:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Wenceslaus Hollar

Please don't perform article renames without raising the matter on the talk page, and following the procedures set out in WP:MOVE. Johnbod (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

That is absolutely no excuse, as I've said at ANI. See also his talk page, where someone else pointed out the correct way to proceed. Johnbod (talk) 15:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Georgia, VT

Hey Nyttend - it looks like that editor you reverted on the Georgia page is making all kinds of random vandalism edits all over the place. Do you have the tools to deal with this, or do you know someone who does? I'm going to start reverting . . . Oy. H0n0r (talk) 05:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks like you, me and user:Tide rolls all got there at the same time. Take it easy. H0n0r (talk) 05:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Photo thanks and query

Thanks for swapping my Paul Revere HOuse into NHL Boston. I'm always a little reluctant to replace an existing photo with one of my own -- I did it on NRHP Boston, then had second thoughts -- the other was a perfectly good photo, probably more realistic of the usual view, complete with tourists -- I just paid a little more attention to not having people in it. (Actually it was serendipity -- Mariner's House is two doors up the street.)

Query -- is there an easier way to upload multiple photos than http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=ownwork. After one of my shoots, I typically have 15-20 images to upload, and it takes half, three-quarters of an hour on Commons doing them on at a time. I use HotCat for adding any special categories (schools, churches, cemeteries, etc.), and the description comes out of my Excel spreadsheet that generates file names, so most of the time is just waiting for Commons. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 23:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

A complaint about your edits has been filed at the 3RR noticeboard

Hello Nyttend. Please see WP:AN3#User:Nyttend reported by Sswonk (talk) (Result: ). Though it's not my place to resolve the matter here, if your view is that WP:NRHP requires the capitalization of the source file to be followed literally, how do you explain that the entries you've been reverting are the only ones in the list that are all caps? And do you actually want the source list's distinction of USS from U.S.S. to be faithfully preserved? Surely such unusual literalness would need to be justified by a consensus that you can point to somewhere. Wars over style are the most painful, so I hope this one can be compromised somehow. EdJohnston (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Jerome Street Bridge location

Howdy Nyttend. I noticed on a few maps recently that both sides of the Jerome Street Bridge (aka Lysle Blvd or 5th Avenue Bridge) touch down in McKeesport, Pennsylvania. I realize the NRHP lists the bridge as being between McKeesport and Glassport, Pennsylvania, but that area directly on the other side of the bridge is still considered McKeesport based on my trusty County Road Map as well as the Allegheny County Municipal Map. This is a bit confusing, I know, but if one looks at the bridge on various maps, there's the side that is clearly in McKeesport and then there's a wedge of land on the other side of the river that is neither in Glassport nor Port Vue, Pennsylvania. That wedge is still considered McKeesport according to the most recent and reliable maps that I have seen, and according to these maps, the Jerome Street Bridge touches down within the boundaries of McKeesport, PA, on both sides of the Youghiogheny River. It can be pretty confusing to see though. Leepaxton (talk) 03:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Choice?

A favor, please:

• is straight on, no cars, but white sky and dull
• leans back and has cars in the way, but has a nice sky and sunshine

They're too similar to use them both. I think I like the second better, but are we artists or architectural historians? Thanks, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I too like the second better. We do our best.--Pubdog (talk) 13:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

References

Sure, I can add references. Would it all right if I used NPS Focus instead of NRIS for the one reference? Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 00:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll get it running. By the way, could you do a favor? I've been trying to get {{Infobox U.S. County}} changed so that bottom caption (usually used with an accompaning county courthouse photo) is centered. I went through the whole "edit protected" process, got responses from some admins, but it hasn't been implemented yet (possibly forgotten?). The sandbox has all the relevant code and a simple copy/paste from there should be all that is necessary. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 04:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! At least half the lists done. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 04:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Finished. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 05:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hey Nyttend, do you care to explain this? Is the problem that a timeline isn't prose? I'm wondering, since I have seen quite a few timelines and never realized they might off-limits. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for your response. Drmies (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Listers

Concerning the post of lister in Albany, Vermont or any other Vermont town. "Listers" are like city real estate appraisers. They construct the "Grand List" of real estate values for the town government. Thus the name. There are often three of them because they are essentially amateurs. Highly trained nowdays, but still nearly unpaid and ostensibly prone to error. They "vote" on appraisals of property which allows two of them to outvote the third one when a large disagreement ensues. So there are usually three. One of the problems here is that we probably need an article and a pointer to lister from the infobox. Student7 (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Pueblo City Park Carousel

I reverted your cleanup on this article. The reason I did so while yours does look grammatically better there were sources on there that covered you citation needed and describexd the article itself. Caan we figure a way to do both so we are both happy? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

You have to read the sources to say it's not there......In carousel news it plainly says this albeit way down. " In 1940, the City Commissioner of Parks and Highways arranged for Pueblo Public Park District No. 2 to purchase C.W. Parker #72. The ride was installed south and east of Goodnight Avenue; however it lacked a building to protect it at this point. " Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Also articles that are maintained by city or state government is public domain. As long as things are sourced there is nothing wrong with quotes. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to do some work here and read this whole thing. [[12]] there are two sources both stating it is owned and maintained by the city of puebloHell In A Bucket (talk) 23:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Perahps this is simple enough for you, dear lord I hope so. I don't have any crayons. [[13]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Nyttend. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Did you even look at the Carousel News Date before saying it was out of date? you said "How are we to know that the Pueblo Park District No. 2 and the Pueblo City Park are identical? How am I to know that it has never since been sold? I don't appreciate the condescension" (Monday, 16 November 2009 ) Kinda odd to be out of date after only a week? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

By that line of reasoning we'd have to double check each and every NHR to make sure the ownership of all are maintained by the same. Consider the park is over 100 years old. The city bought it in 1940, there is no further references to sales or the like. It isn't OR to conclude that it is still owned by the city. Most times NHR will say public or private owned as in the case of the Vail Hotel. Speaking of which I need ot correct the same error I made on the carousel. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Apologies are in order. I was upset during our exchange and shouldn't have referred to you as a fucking dolt or been quite as condescending as I was either. My apologies, we were both trying to do what we thought was best for the pedia. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I would like to consult with you on Union Avenue Historic Commercial District. I wish to avoid orginal research, this is difficult in this case though. Along the entire district there are markers with pictures and descriptions, (this was a whorehouse, Or the hanging tree was locaated here, etc.) How would I be able to incorporate all those cool little blurbs about the history without violating O.R.? I can't thinik of anything other then taking a picture of each marker. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Malpolon monspessulanus

I responded.SADADS (talk) 06:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

A Star of David tipped church.

Congregation Adath Jeshurun now the First Haitian Baptist Church.. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Murray 2nd Ward Bldg.JPG

Why was a Federal Government photo tagged for copyright violation. This was a National Historic Register photo. Please explain

Stundra (talk) 16:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Three favors, please

Would you please:

A) Move Ellen Swallow Richards Residence on top of its current redirect Ellen Swallow Richards House.

• Ellen Swallow Richards House is the NRHP name
• House is more usual
• I checked with User:Swampyank who created both and he/she is OK with it.

B) Approve me for AWB on Commons -- I'm already using it on Wikipedia [14] (Impatient aren't I?)

C) Share with me any list you might have of Commons categories that I ought to look at when uploading. I've already noted your changes to the First Church, Jamaica Plain images. Don't bother to make them state specific, just a quick list will be fine.

Thanks, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Sapphawitthayakhom School

Talk:Sapphawitthayakhom School shows you deleted it in July 2009 as a talk page of a non-existent page. There was no previous version of Sapphawitthayakhom School. Can you review the deleted version of this page and see if there is anything relevant to the current talk page worth merging in, such as a banner or an importance-rating on a wikiproject? Thanks.

By the way, I hope you enjoy/enjoyed your vacation. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving! I am thankful for you and your contributions here! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I had a very nice and blessed Thanksgiving - much to be thankful for. Enjoy your time in the Keystrone state! Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Wood County, Ohio demographic maps by worldenc

Could you please review the discussion here and let me know what you think about these demographic maps that were added and reverted? I don't see the problem in them - they add a nice touch for research. However, there are some split sides. How do you feel? Westonjoe (talk) 02:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for St. Patrick's Catholic Church (Glynwood, Ohio)

On November 29, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Patrick's Catholic Church (Glynwood, Ohio), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ucucha (talk) 02:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Geneseo, New York articles

Hi Nyttend,

I've reverted your moves of the Geneseo, New York articles. As you can see from the talk page, the town and village articles are intentionally merged, and with good reason. Please do not make any further such changes before consensus is reached on that talk page. Cheers, bdesham ★ 04:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi -- I know I'm stepping into minefield here, but I really don't understand why there was a merger of two separate and distinct political entities --- village and town. I grew up in Tonawanda which has a very different history from Town of Tonawanda. I really don't understand the rationale for merging such articles,--Pubdog (talk) 01:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

ARCH

I saw your post on Finetooth's page. I have already saved all the forms for Sullivan and Lycoming counties. Do we want to corrdinate who has saved what? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you suppose this means that if we've linked to a nomination form in a ref, we're going to have to go back and change it to point to its location in CRGIS? Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 02:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I had thought the same thing as Niagara (worried about changing refs). My thought was we can do that after the 15th (or whenever ARCH disappears). I have now saved the nomination forms for Potter, Tioga, and Bradford counties as well. The Canfield Island article looks good at first glance. I will read it more carefully. There is a public park there now and I have photos of Canfield Island. I am also pretty sure I have a better shot from the lookout on Bald Eagle Mountain than this one: File:Williamsport0124.jpg, but it shows Canfield Island (kind of hard to see though). I was going to try and get all the northcentral and northeastern Pennsylvania counties, then all the state park sites, then the PennDOT bridges. I especially want to save the photos there as they are free under the PennDOT OTRS license. I have tried the new ARCH replacement system and am unable to work it - I liked ARCH. Oh well. Something else to do / learn after the 15th. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I was just going to save the pictures for now, then upload them later. I have some more refs for Canfield Island too. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the directions - Lycoming County has a site (Saint James Episcopal Church – Muncy) is a name in ARCH but no files. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I was only downloading images of bridges (and the state parks). I am working on Union County, Clinton, Columbia, and Northumberland next. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not bothering to check if there was already an article or picture on Wikipedia, just downloading them all. I trust your judgment - if you think the exisitng picture is good, that is fine by me. I think the priority should be bridges with no picture. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(out) Wow! That is great (and amazingly fast). Plunketts Creek Bridge No. 3 was destroyed in a 1996 flood and removed from the Register. Not sure about the others. Thanks so much, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

At one point I was working on a list of the PennDOT NRHP bridges (Thematic Resources) here, then decided it was a fork of the PA NRHP bridge list. There I somehow found that the Bridge in Ridley Park Borough in Delaware County was destroyed and removed from the NRHP too. I get obsessed with a topic and then I can get it to FA or FL (though there are topics that I am obsessed with but do not (yet) have all the material needed to make it to FA). Your GA looks very nice to me. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

There is a Multiple Property Submission (actually a Thematic Resources) NRHP form for the PennDOT bridges, but it has some individual listings which are not on the NRHP. I think I got all of them that are real listings on Frog. By the way, are there any MPS forms on ARCH? As for the frog name - it is something I started back when did some programming. It is a short name (same numer of letters as TEMP, three fewer than Sandbox) and less boring than "TEMP", plus I knew any file named Frog was OK to delete once I was done with a project. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

If you want models to follow, I uploaded three photos from Lycoming County and added them to National Register of Historic Places listings in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania. I think we have a misunderstanding - I listed counties starting with A and B as done based on your comment on my talk page diff. I have updated my efforts below, working Centre now. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, do you want to divide the state geographically or alphabeticallY? I added Wayne below, and am still working on Centre. McKean and Warren were next on my list. Sorry to have miusunderstood you. I also have found several listings that are not on ARCH or in case were deadlinks. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I plan to work on northcentral and northeatern PA first. Will also go through and grab all the state park forms. Is it OK if I not what is saved below? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Of course I'd be willing to help, although I have to ask why. Downloading restricted sites I understand, but why the others? I've had no trouble in locating nomination forms in the new CRGIS system. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 20:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I figure precautionary measures, just in case. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 21:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Counties done

Ruhrfisch _><>°^° has done: Bradford, Centre, Clinton, Columbia, Cumberland, Franklin, Fulton, Juniata, Lackawanna, Luzerne, Lycoming, Mifflin, Monroe, Montour, Northumberland, Perry, Pike, Potter, Snyder, Sullivan, Susquehanna, Tioga, Union Wayne, Wyoming. Total is 24 counties as of 22:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

• Erie, Crawford, McKean, Warren done; Planning Elk, Lancaster, Dauphin. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 01:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

So what will happen to links embedded in articles to ARCH, such as those in National Register of Historic Places listings in Tioga County, Pennsylvania? Is this something that needs to be done manually or can a bot be employed?--Pubdog (talk) 02:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I really don't know. We'll have to see once the system goes down by the end of the month, but I'd not be surprised if the links go bad. Admittedly, this won't make the information unverifiable — the online forms are copies of printed documents, after all — but it will likely mean plenty of work for us. Nyttend (talk) 02:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, my friend. I'm ready for the work and happy to help out.--Pubdog (talk) 02:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

OK ... am I correct the the completed counties to date are in bold and planned in italics? I want to see what's left to do

Adams Allegheny Armstrong Beaver Bedford Berks Blair Bradford Bucks Butler Cambria Cameron Carbon Centre Chester Clarion Clearfield Clinton Columbia Crawford Cumberland Dauphin Delaware Elk Erie Fayette Forest Franklin Fulton Greene Huntingdon Indiana Jefferson Juniata Lackawanna Lancaster Lawrence Lebanon Lehigh Luzerne Lycoming McKean Mercer Mifflin Monroe Montgomery Montour Northampton Northumberland Perry Philadelphia Pike Potter Schuylkill Snyder Somerset Sullivan Susquehanna Tioga Union Venango Warren Washington Wayne Westmoreland Wyoming York

Thanks in advance ... --Pubdog (talk) 02:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Nyttend (talk) 02:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

OK ... I've downloaded Adams, and will do Bedford, Berks, and Blair tomorrow morning. Cheers--Pubdog (talk) 02:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Done with Bedford, Berks, and Blair. Will check back later.--Pubdog (talk) 11:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll do Pike and Perry next. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Pike and Perry are done, Cameron has none so I struck it, will do Lackawanna and Monroe next. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Bucks done; will take care of Cambria, Carbon, Clearfield, and Huntingdon later ... cheers--Pubdog (talk) 23:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Cambria, Carbon, Clearfield, and Huntingdon now done. More later--Pubdog (talk) 10:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Lackawanna and Monroe done, will do Franklin, Fulton, Luzerne, and Cumberland next. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Fulton and Luzerne are done. Is it just me, or are there some really bad photographs for these NRHP forms? Cameras held at odd angles, tops cut off of buildings, OK pictures of cars parked on the street with the building of interest in the background, out of focus, and all in gloriously grainy black and white. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I do think the scans of the pictures used don't help in most cases. I have downloaded all the state parks pictures in case they show changes (some latrines are gone now, for example), also in the counties I've done I've downloaded the few images of things listed as destroyed, and the covered bridges. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I can take care of Delaware, Indiana, Lebanon & Lehigh. Cheers--Pubdog (talk) 23:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC) Delaware, Indiana, Lebanon & Lehigh now done.--Pubdog (talk) 10:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I can take care of 'Schuylkill, Somerset, Westmoreland & York.--Pubdog (talk) 10:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC) Completed download of Schuylkill, Somerset, Westmoreland & York, as well as Mercer ... cheers--Pubdog (talk) 23:18, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Updated county completion data located at User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania forms--Pubdog (talk) 02:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Cumberland done, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Franklin is done, I will do Northampton. Would it make sense to sign up for pages of Chester and Philadelphia (since they are 800 listings together)? ARCH has 25 entries per page, so if someone signed up for pages 1 and 2 that would be the first 50, pages 1–4 would be the first 100, you get the idea. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

That, or perhaps do it alphabetically? We could sign up for sites beginning with A, sites beginning with B, etc.? Nyttend (talk) 22:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Can ARCH entries be sorted alphabetically by name? I just go to the county page(s), copy and paste them into a Word document, and then copy the name, open the PDF, paste in the name after the ARCH file name, and save it. If there are problems (no documents, bad links) I note those on the Word document. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

(out) I realized Philadelphia is already alphabetically sorted, so that would work there too. I think I am saving all the information you are, just in a different form. For example, the first entry for Sullivan County is "Ricketts, Clemuel, Mansion" and the URL to the PDF is "http://www.arch.state.pa.us/pdfs/H000623_01B.pdf". I save the PDF as "H000623_01B Ricketts, Clemuel, Mansion.pdf" in a folder for Sullivan County. I also have the whole county search page saved. Although I wouldn't save one of these pictures (the building is on HABR anyway), the link there is http://www.arch.state.pa.us/images/hires/H000623_01B.jpg and if I saved an image it would be as "H000623_01B Ricketts, Clemuel, Mansion.jpg" so my name alwayssaves the URL and the NRHP listing name. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Boy, I hope I haven't f***ed up, but all I've done is saved the PDFs of the Nomination Form and other documents in folders by county. I wasn't aware that other data extraction was expected. Please advise.--Pubdog (talk) 01:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Canfield Island Site

Although it is not obvious from the guide, this is the park that contains the Canfield Island Site from the Audubon Guide here. Here is a website that shows the park has the island site here. There is also a Native American PowWow there each summer newspaper article. I think this could be a DYK. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the link - sorry. Here is a link from the local college on a dig there - would this be more reliable? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Here is a link to a Loyalsock Twp official newletter that mentions the park, Canfield Island and the trail. Have to do some other stuff here now, then calling it a night, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I will dig through my photos to find the one of the island as well as some of the park itself. I had a completely different DYK idea, so I will run it by you here first:

DYK ... that the Canfield Island Site on the West Branch Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania was inhabited by Native Americans for thousands of years, and since 2003 is home to annual Native American pow wow?

What do you think? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I added two images - I think I have a better one of the island from the mountain, but need to find it. Did upload three taken on the island itself. Feel free to swap them out if you want. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree ALT1 is a bit long, so ALT2 is shorter ;-) ... that Native Americans lived at the Canfield Island Site on the West Branch Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania for thousands of years, and now hold an annual pow wow there? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Found something, and thought of you...

1854's A new and complete gazetteer of the United States... If you haven't thumbed through it yet, it's a great wealth of little tidbits of information... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Huron, Ohio Bicentennial

Huron celebrated its bicentennial this year (1809 plus 200). You don't have to put it back in, though. I was already going to do what you did after New Year's Day.Zars (talk) 07:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Memorial Park offer

Thanks for the offer. I created three NRHP articles recently as sidebars to Lock Haven, Pennsylvania, which I hope to nominate at FAC in late December. Those are the only Pennsylvania NRHPs I've ever done, and (after reading your note) I had to look up CRGIS and ARCH to see what they referred to. I've done some NRHPs in Oregon, which has a handy state-generated list, and I'd like to do something with that long list of NRHP red links in Laramie, Wyoming, some day. Laramie is close to GA but needs stuff about prehistory and has problems related to layout and non-RS sourcing in places. Anyway, thanks; I may call on you for help as situations arise. Finetooth (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip about User:Acroterion. I see that he's originally from West Virginia, another of my favorite places, and that he has a lovely photo of a Death Valley moonrise on his user page. I'm keen on Death Valley as well as many another place. This all bodes well. Finetooth (talk) 15:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

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Union Avenue Historic Commercial District

Can you use some of your word smithing magic again? I've added a lot of info. I would like to clarify what I asked earlier. The plaques I'm referring to tell us there was a Hanging tree in Union Ave and was cut down. Also there is a business there that talks about how aPueblo fell from the graces as the "Saddle Making Capital of the World" I would like to add these details however the only concrete info I can find is located ONSITE and not in print. How can I include these things without violating the Original Research policy? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Obama Visit

I am going to initiate a seperate section on Obamas visit. The only reason I do this is because his visit on Union ave cause major waves in Pueblo. We just defeated a motion to get a mayor. The reason we were even vting on it was the fact that the union district was closed down and the effect it had on the merchants in the area. There is a plethora of sources and well worth noting. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I've added quite a few sources. Most will directly say that the closure of the street angered local merchants. It resulted in firing our city manager and the introduction of a iniative on the ballot for a Mayor. Currently we are ruled by a city council, no mayor and for a period of one year after his visit this was widely touted as a example of why we had that paticular ballot. Anways the sources aren't too long and if you do a keyword search you should easily find the sections I'm citing. I am now switching to google for more news sources Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I've added several sources and expanded on the Obama visit. I can find additonal sources for this but I thought it might be sourcedenough as it was. I was looking at your changes and they look good overall. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

		All Around Amazing Barnstar
		This is for your excellent work on Union Avenue Historic Commercial District. You bypassed our initial spat in a mature, thoughtful and completely helpful manner. For this I thank you very much Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I nominated this article for Featured Status. If you care to you may state if you are for or against at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Union Avenue Historic Commercial District/archive1 Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I've significantly expanded and reworked the article with the sources. Can you give any suggestions how to meld things better? The only thing I'd ask is before removing a reference please ask why I added it. I've spent over eight hours trying to be comprehensive and juggling and such so would really not want to have to redo that or spurn your work tr. I think there's still a long way to go but I need another pair of eyes. The Rough Boundaries of the District Run from B street at the Union Depot and runs to 1st street. The union distric6t is described as a economic center for Pueblo. The reason the Obama visit is included because not only does it and other visits to that paticular area help denote it's notability but it is a major political area too. In 1995 we approved a bond of some million dollars to recover from a recession. I need to be descriptive but I don't want it to be a Circle jerk either, basically a counter-wait to my own small Conflict of Interest since I live here. Maybe not a major reformat since I can easily afdd a lot of more sources, Just a few pointers to look at. I hope the lack of sleep made this understandable and if not I hope you get my drift. I'm going to bed I'll have to continue tomorrow. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Hmm, I didn't realise until after leaving this comment that you'd created that page as well. Very well...I'm going to delete the East properties from the other two lists; please revert or otherwise modify my changes to those pages if I'd made an error. Nyttend (talk) 01:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Stop - almost done, except renumbering Smallbones (talk) 01:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Will have some checks ,advise to ask, wording moves in a hour or so if you'd like!. Smallbones (talk) 01:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean, except "Stop"; I know very well what that means :-) Sorry if I've caused edit conflicts. Nyttend (talk) 01:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

It's ok now, but an edit conflict on something that size scares me. I need to do some renumbering, and I can do that and a last round of checks once everything is in place. Here's my plan. 3 lists

• National Register of Historic Places listings in Southern Chester County, Pennsylvania will come from User:Smallbones/SouthCC new article
• National Register of Historic Places listings in Northern Chester County, Pennsylvania will come from User:Smallbones/NorthWCC (note:not National Register of Historic Places in northwestern Chester County) new article
• National Register of Historic Places listings in Eastern Chester County, Pennsylvania will come from User:Smallbones/EastCC to be copied to old article National Register of Historic Places listings in Chester County, Pennsylvania and then moved to "eastern" to retain edit history.

This would mean that the "somewhere else" wording would need to be changed.

I'll add the two new articles, renumber, and get back to you on the move. Worst comes to worst, we delete the new articles. Smallbones (talk) 01:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, I think the basics are done. I'll concentrate on renumbering, with good double checks tomorrow, and ask for "northern" to be deleted (speedy?). If you'd like, maybe you can check the introductions. I might ask Ruhrfish to make a map of the split - it's easier than listing townships. BTW Lionville isn't anything official except an old name, but there are several hamlets like that, e.g. Chester Springs (Northern) Marshallton (East? Bradford), Mortonville (East Fallowfield) - the last one is 2 buildings and 2 bridges (3 on NRHP). Also could you move the old list to "in Eastern Chester County" obviously which of the 3 new lists gets pride of place in inheriting the edit history is arbitrary, but "Eastern" has the county seat, West Chester, and the highest tourist traffic. I hope that's all! Smallbones (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks like you are way ahead of me. Time for me to take a break. Thanks for everything Smallbones (talk) 02:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Glad to help - much of the discussion on my talk page probably should be copied somewhere so as to preserve a more logical place for the decision making process. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Neighbourhood Community Network..

Hi Nyttend,

I would like to know the reason for the deletion of the page on "Neighbourhood Community Network". How should I improve upon it to avoid further deletion?

Thanks, Afshan Jihush

220.225.196.38 (talk) 06:19, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

First, various users had identified the article as a copyright violation. I couldn't immediately identify the source, but it seemed that the article was copied-and-pasted from somewhere else. As well, the article never really asserted the importance or encyclopedia-worthiness of the Neighbourhood Community Network, and it seemed to be somewhat spammy, advertising for the Neighbourhood Community Network. All three of these issues are good enough reasons for an article to be deleted speedily. You can feel free to redo the article if you want, but please be careful to write it in such a neutral way in your own words, and make sure that you show why it should have an encyclopedia article. Nyttend (talk) 13:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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Citation Templates

I saw your comment at Wikipedia:Bot requests. Using citation templates is pretty easy. Just go to WP:CIT and pick which kind of template you want to use, either for a book, news article, or web page. Then fill in the blanks, deleting the parameters that you don't need. Then that template goes in the <ref>...</ref> tags.--Blargh29 (talk) 17:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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Hey Nyttend, i just noticed your use of {{rp}} template for reference pages, within the The Wilson article. Seems very useful for many NRHP articles having an NRHP nomination document. Thanks! doncram (talk) 14:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Chester County NRHP

The revison I made that you reverted took the name of the road near the site as seen on Google Maps. Pennsylvania Route 423 is nowhere near Chester County. This could possibly be a misspelling of Pennsylvania Route 23, which is a few miles to the north. When making these NRHP tables, make sure to check that the roads are accurately listed as there have been numerous errors with this before. ---Dough4872 18:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Crediting of images

Hello: I have not looked into what the images that you are referring in your note to me are, but mostly I only upload my own pictures and if they are not mine I am pretty careful about copyright issues. My name is Einar Einarsson Kvaran and I frequently use "EEK" or 'eek' or even "eeeeeeeeek" in its stead. usually the older the image is the less careful I tended to be. Thanks for tracking me down and checking this out. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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NRHP Chester County

Personally I think that National Register of Historic Places listings in eastern Chester County, Pennsylvania, etc. should take a lower case letter on eastern, northern and southern. Note that Template:National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania agrees with me and that until a few moments ago, National Register of Historic Places listings in eastern Chester County, Pennsylvania was a red link with fifty or more incoming links! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Franklin County, Vermont NRHP List

I fully understand your reference requirement, and have added a link to the Swanton Historical Society's website to support the fact that the Swanton Covered Railroad Bridge burned in 1987. I realize that my word probably doesn't count for much, but I was visiting friends in Swanton the night it happened, and we went out and watched it go. Some high school kids had been partying on the bridge: they started a fire that got out of control (downright stupid and accidental, but not arson).

While I was at it, I noticed that existing coordinates placed the bridge in Highgate, which is the next town to the east, over 4 miles from the bridge's correct location (described as "SOUTH of Swanton," meaning the village), and I corrected that as well. As long as it is still listed, we might as well locate it properly. If you look at this new location in the satellite image, you can see the pillars in the river and the railbed leading to them, but there's no bridge as of the date of that sat image.

To further complicate things, there is once again a bridge there. This one is also listed on the NRHP (as West Milton Bridge, NRIS 92001173). It was dismantled in 1994 and reassembled on this spot just this year as part of a recreation path (see Swanton Footbridge). As such, the structure is almost twenty miles north of where the NRHP listing says it is.

I have contacted the National Park Service regarding the proper status of these and other listings of buildings and structures which have been moved or otherwise no longer stand where the listings place them (such as the Chittenden County Courthouse in Burlington, which is now a parking lot).

--Mfwills (talk) 11:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

"15 miles southwest of Tazewell"

Thanks for the comment on that blooper. As it happens, I noticed it largely because a newbie had created a personal essay under the title Sharps Chapel and it had gone to AfD (where I noticed it). Since I knew that Sharps Chapel, Tennessee is a real place that has been needing an article, I went about converting it into an article. The most interesting thing that I found was an item (by the head of an historic preservation organization) about that NRHP-listed house. Not only did I declare the NRIS-listed place name to be erroneous, but it's unclear what the property name is (NRIS has "Baite Ousley House" but the local preservationist calls it "Bait Ousley House"), and there was an error in the name of the lake in the location description. I'm also not sure that it was correct to say it's "north" of the lake (since lake can be found in pretty much every direction from that spot), but I'm not concerned about that part. The good news is that Sharps Chapel now has an article, and the B. Ousley House should make for a pretty interesting article in the future -- after the correct name of the house has been resolved. --Orlady (talk) 15:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Please clarify

You have removed various of my comments from the Summary column in National Register of Historic Places articles.

I would appreciate a clarification of what is acceptable there. If not to provide some history of the listed place, possibly to include some idea of the place's current status, what is the column for? If something not related in the NRHP listing is known about the place, if the building or structure no longer exists or has been moved, shouldn't that be communicated in some fashion?

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Cox-Craddock House

I have restored the notability tag to the article as I think the notability is not properley established. Questions have been raised on the talk page. I have been trying to establish whether being on The Register is enough but no joy yet with that. There is little by why of evidence of notability in the Cox-Craddock House article yet. I think it might be best to make a case on the talk page before or during your deletion of a notability tag. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 15:45, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

"We always assume that "junction" means near the junction"

But does "junction" mean "1200 feet from the junction, down a country road"? (I would get lost if people gave me directions to the junction when they mean I need to turn at the junction and continue for almost a quarter of a mile.) --Orlady (talk) 15:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

The coordinates point to a building on a smallish parcel of land (the parcels at the junction are large farms) that looks on the satellite imagery like it could be an old school (admittedly, it's a pretty distant view) at an address of 220 Academy Road, which is the same address given on this webpage, where the directions indicate that the school is 1/2 mile from the junction (an overestimate, but I think overestimating distance might be good if you're directing tourists). --Orlady (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, I've made a couple of additional comments on my talk page. --Orlady (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Benjamin Hopkins Stone building

Hey Nyttend...I had the Hopkins Stone Building picture deleted because it was still showing up as the mausoleum even after I uploaded the newer version. I think I mentioned that to you earlier. It was like the Commons reverted it back or something. I tried uploading it again with the same name and it wouldn't let me, so I figured I might as well start over. I have uploaded the correct file (File:Hopkins Stone building site.jpg) and am placing it back on the NRHP in Portage County article again. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I did get the nomination forms so was able to verify this was the correct site. The anonymous user who recently edited the NRHP in Portage County page mentioned a local newspaper article in the 1980s about it being dismantled and moved, but so far no answer for specifics when I left a message. I'd imagine it was a local who made the edit. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Caro, Michigan

I would very much appreciate if you would stop undoing the edits made on the Caro, Michigan page. Caro is now a city and as such should be allowed to be shown as so on Wikipedia. You may not be able to find any sources online that tell you this, and that's fine, Caro is a smaller town. However, I have listed two sources that are both local in nature that prove the validity of Caro's status change. Both http://www.tuscolatoday.com/news/2009/nov/14/caro-council-meets-city/ which is our local newspaper site, and http://www.carovillage.net/ which is our city council site, prove that we are now a city. Our corporation limit signs have also been changed to read "Caro City Limit" as well. Mrhercli89 (talk) 14:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

PennDOT bridge photos

It looks fine to me - you added more information and categories than I did (so I will go back and add to the three I did). Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Technically the OTRS release only applies to photos taken for the survey that led to the PennDOT bridges MPS. My guess is that PennDOT would release their other photos as well - they were quite nice and helpful when I contacted them about the Plunketts Creek Bridge No. 3 picture. I have no problem with not bothering to save PennDOT pictures that are inferior in quality to pictures already on Wiki. The only way I would save them is if they show something that has since changed or been lost. I think that McConnell's Mill Covered Bridge could be a FA someday, if you would ever want to work on it, I would be glad to help (just have a lot on my plate, so it might take a while). I read your discussion with Dincher about color-blindness and I cannot tell from either of your photos that it is affecting your work. In fact File:McConnell's Mill Covered Bridge interior trusses light.jpg is just about the nicest interior shot of a covered bridge I have seen. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. I was very impressed with the exposure of the photo inside the bridge - I almost always get overexposed areas (usually the outside visible at the end of the bridge and through the openings below the roof). The other pictures of the bridge are also quite nice. PennDOT did an earlier survey of covered bridges in the state, but I am not sure who took the B&W McConnell's Mill CB pix. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again (and I know it is not flattery, but it is kind of you to say). I often find it takes me several times photographing a place before I am happy with the pictures I get. Practive makes perfect (or at least better). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Colors

I just ask my wife about the colors. She always has to keep an eye on what I'm wearing. I wonder a little bit about the pics and am always on the lookout for better of a similar place. I find more than a few on Flickr. Speaking of pics, File:Lincoln School, West Mayfield.jpg in West Mayfield is apparently mislabeled. The name above the door is Liberty. Was there a name change at some point that wasn't etched in stone? Have you seen the color tests at Color blindness? I can see the rainbows okay. But those numbers on what looks like floor tiles? Forget it. Dincher (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Canfield Island Site

On December 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Canfield Island Site, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Congratualtions! (And I have to admit getting one of my pictures on the Main Page is always a thrill, so thanks). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:35, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! Dincher (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, Nyttend! This is just a note thanking you for participating in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with a total of 93 support !votes, 1 oppose and 3 editors remaining neutral. While frankly overwhelmed by the level of support, I humbly thank the community for the trust it has placed in me, and vow to use the tools judiciously and without malice. KV5 (Talk • Phils)

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Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Desiccation-cracks hg.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Maedin\talk 13:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend, thanks for noticing the transclusion error and for taking the time to fix it! Maedin\^talk 13:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Mary of Woodstock

Hi - thanks for the message. I can confirm that the recent additions bear no relation to the references. While the information may be accurate, it is therefore unsourced, and some appears to be opinion. Warofdreams talk 01:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viability

Sorry for my late response there. --Dylan620 (contribs, logs, review) 21:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

WPA murals in post offices

Re. our recent discussion of the WPA mural in the Minden, Nebraska post office: I recently found a USPS page [16] dealing with the subject of copyrights on WPA art in PO's. Judging by all the restrictions they impose, photos of the murals would definitely not be suitable for uploading to WP Commons. Indeed, it sounds as though I could be packed off to Botany Bay just for having taken high-resolution pictures of them.

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That's a darn shame because so many of the POs on the MPS for NY Post Offices have notable murals that would be cool to have illustrated in Gallery pics. Thanks for the heads up. Maybe this point needs to also be made on WP:NRHP?--Pubdog (talk) 23:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Although the USPS claims copyright, I thought for sure that these were {{PD-US}} as works for hire or US Government work. As such, any photographs of them should be free too, under {{PD-Art}}. Now, I do agree that the USPS has the right to restrict how people photograph them in their post offices, but if a photo already exists, I can't see why it wouldn't be PD-US. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Indian God Rock

Congratulations - I see the article is in Template:Did you know/Queue/5, so it will be on the Main Page before too long. Nice picture too! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Tricky Vandalism

I just vandalized your page by changing your "times vandalized" number on the userbox from 49 to 50. So technically, my vandalism was not vandalism because my change ended up being correct! Don't you just love vandalism paradoxes? :D T24G (talk) 02:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

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Congrats! Dincher (talk) 23:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania delisted properties

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Re: Bridge photos

I included the date as it is when the bridge was listed on the NRHP, so it is in effect the publication date for the photo and the form. I believe that almost all of the PennDOT bridges on the MPS (TR) were listed the same day, perhaps even all. Agree that the photos were taken well befor that, in fact the MPS form talks about the survey PennDOT did, when I assume the pictures were taken.

On a side note, how sad to see all the Pennsylvania covered bridges that have been delisted (above). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Sign me up for Chester County

I'll try to download all the pdfs and photos tomorrow (I hope I understand the assignment re ARCH files). Smallbones (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I hope I do too. I've only been downloading Nomination forms and related pages (inventories, maps etc).--Pubdog (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

All 300+ of them? Very well, you're well aware of how many there are :-) While it's not necessary, I'd advise you to record the URL for every file that you download: it will allow us to cite it as an online document, rather than as a print source. Thanks very much! Nyttend (talk) 05:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I think your implication is correct - I bit off a bit more than I can chew (comfortably). It took me awhile to get the hang of it, but I've got 3 townships (30+) in Southern CC done and can easily finish Southern in 2 or 3 days. But I'll be on Wikibreak for 2+ weeks after Monday the 21st, so I'll just say that I'll start Northern CC when I get Southern done and don't hear that anybody else is doing Northern. Smallbones (talk) 19:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I can help - still need to finish Philly letter S listings (over 50). Let me know when you know what needs to be saved. And here I was feeling smug that Philly was nearly done... Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Are they really taking it down, or just not maintaining the old stuff? I've done Birmingham and East and West Bradford in Chester County. Next I'll do East and West Fallowfield. Smallbones (talk) 20:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

OK in Chester County have got Birmingham, E and W Bradford, E and W Fallowfields done. Will start on Newlin, and then go to E and W Nottingham, then Oxford Borough, Upper and Lower Oxford. Done with that plus Kennett Square , Kennett TWP, and Pocopson Twp. Say 60-70 out of 117 in South CC done. Will prob get South CC done tonight, but after a long break. Smallbones (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

There are only 18 left if I can count. Do you need any more help? I can if needed - will be online about an hour more - let me know, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, I will get them. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

There is a listing for Marshallton, but that is not incorporated - it is part of West Bradford Township, which Smallbones already got, so I am not going to download those. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, I have everything in the Southern CC except Pennsbury - You got it? - and New Garden only 2 there, so I'll finish if somebody got Pennsbury. Smallbones (talk) 04:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC) and got Pennsbury just in case. Done. Smallbones (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I am done and am callling it a night shortly, phew Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yancey's Wyoming Merge Proposal

User:CosmicPenguin and User:Nyttend. In late 2008 CP nominated Yanceys, Wyoming for deletion. Nyttend, you opposed that deletion and the article was kept. In my on-going efforts to expand articles related to Yellowstone, I have created an article John F. Yancey which seems to me to be a more appropriate approach than Yanceys, Wyoming. As such, I have proposed that Yanceys, Wyoming be merged into John F. Yancey. Do you all concur?--Mike Cline (talk) 17:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I concur. My main objection with Yanceys, Wyoming was that I felt it was a bit of a stretch for GNIS to call it a populated place. John F. Yancey is the article that Yanceys, Wyoming should be - I would support a redirect. CosmicPenguin (talk• WP:WYO^Help!) 05:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletions, NCIS, error

Thanks...I forgot about those. As for the NCIS thing, someone keeps adding that Agent Gibbs is from Stillwater, Pennsylvania (I guess there's notability or trivia issues or something wrong with it) and seems to appear only when the episode "Heartland" airs.

By the way, I found a unique error in the Lancaster County list. #82003797 and #04000399 are of the same electric locomotive (I've started an article in my sandbox, if you want more details on it). In short, it was listed in 1982, moved in 1986 and listed again 2004. According to the 2004 nomination form, it was delisted after it was moved but that doesn't appear to have happened. Thoughts? Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 02:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, is it possible to also delete the .js and .css pages, I don't believe I every use or need them. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 02:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I would've had them deleted long ago, but speedy templates (or any template for that matter) don't work on .js or .css pages. I only used them because it used to be the only way to get popups for awhile. I get the idea with sites that move, but are there any examples of where the site is listed twice at the same time. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 03:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Could be an mistake (someone at the NPS lost the paperwork, fell through cracks, etc.). Maybe it should be listed it at NRIS errors. I feel the new username worked out great, the sig especially (although Ruhrfisch's has it beat). Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 04:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

If someone was watching it on CBS, it was a new and different episode and, because Stillwater hasn't popped up on my watchlist again, it must not have been that obvious (I haven't seen it yet, so I wouldn't know). Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 02:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

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"recreated, but not by previous authors", I am one of authors of the article. Why you removed the page ? — Neustradamus (✉) 07:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

ARCH bridge photos and a puzzle

After Smallbones asked about a PennDOT OTRS photo, I finally went through and made sure my list at USer:Ruhrfisch/Frog1 was complete. The bad news is that I had stopped adding metal-truss bridges to the table, so some were missing (T33 to T49) compared to the NRHP PennDOT Bridges Multiple Property Submission. The good news is I added them all to Frog1 and I downloaded all the photos from ARCH, which is still up. I will upload them to Commons and put them in the county lists.

The puzzle is as follows. There is a bridge listed on the PennDOT MPS that is also on ARCH: "Bridge between East Manchester & Newberry Townships" However, it is not listed on National Register of Historic Places listings in York County, Pennsylvania and it is commented out on List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania. My guess is that is was destroyed / delisted. Do you know what is going on with it? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

PS I checked Elkman's delisted properties list here and do not see it there by that name. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I had it as "and" but ARCH has it as "&", so I changed the name here. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Good suggestion - I will email them about it. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Naming conventions

I have never seen that at FAC - I have seen people asking the USA or US state be delinked, per WP:OVERLINK. I know on at least one occasion I have seen someone say that the country must be added to the first sentence at FAC, but I am not sure now what article that was for. I looked at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) and it only prohibits putting the USA in the article title, not the first sentence: A United States city's article should never be titled "city, country" (e.g., "Detroit, United States") or "city, state, country" (e.g., "Kansas City, Missouri, USA"). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I think WP:PCR could be cited for including the country - many people outside the US are fuzzy about the US states, or where they are. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I once reviewed an article about a place in New South Wales and they neglected to say Australia. I pointed the possible confusion with South Wales in the UK. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Bridge between Monroe and Penn Townships

Hello --- thanks so much for adding a picture of the original Bridge between Monroe and Penn Townships. You're the best!--Pubdog (talk) 22:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

If you happen to have pics of the remaining bridges on National Register of Historic Places listings in Snyder County, Pennsylvania, it would check off another county. Let me know if I can help.--Pubdog (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Raccoon Creek State Park

I've never seen a pic for the CCC buildings, but then again I've never looked. I will look on Flickr tomorrow, maybe. I can't access flickr from "work" will be here until midnight and then have to teach 2nd grade at 7:30 tomorrow. I can't be messing with Flickr tonight. Must be nice to the wee ones. Dincher (talk) 04:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

You'd flatten a hill pretty quick! Dincher (talk) 04:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I looked at all of the pictures for the park on Flickr - there are only two that looked like they might be CCC-built cabins, but neither was identified as such. Then I thought of the DCNR's CCC archive and we are in luck. Here is their page on the CCC camp that built the Racoon Creek facilities and this shows pictures of the CCC at work, including a cabin. Since the CCC was US Government, it is US-PD. See File:CCC Company 359 Dam crop.PNG used in Black Moshannon State Park. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I will check tomorrow - good night! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I added a bit more detail, but it looked fine. The only thing that confused me was the date - you had 1991, but I changed it to 1936 as the photo appeared in the 1936 CCC annual for Pennsylvania. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

The feds ended the CCC program by 1942 with WWII, though it was winding up before that. I assumed you had somehow found out when the person scanned the image and used that date. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I did find in the process of looking for this image that the CCC operated in Ricketts Glen, which I did not know before. So I learned something useful too. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks like mission accomplished. Dincher (talk) 20:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Map error

Thanks for ctaching those on File:Map of Beaver County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png. I have fixed all three - may have to WP:BYC to see that changes. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Jefferson Davis

In response to the comment left on the reference desk (17th December) I would be very greatful for any infomation on the president printed, online, primary , secondry whatever it all helps. 88.106.62.217 (talk) 01:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Archy Sites

Hi Nyttend- Each state has its own system for assigning numbers, if it overlaps counties it can be assigned seperate numbers for each county it overlaps, or, as seems to be your case, it is give the site one county designation. It usually makes no difference, since most reports and records will list both numbers. Bill Whittaker 20:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Spam pages

How do I do it? I use SPAM-B-GONE™, another fine product of the SPAMCO Corporation...

Okay, I lied.

Actually, I just use a few pages as the jumping off point and eyeball what they throw up. These include:

• User:MER-C's Template:Spamsearch page, which I supplement by doing searches which include User Talk pages, too., such as this.
• The "New pages" page, specifically using the "User" and "User talk" filters.
• The Edit Filter log for Filter 148, as in here.

Sadly, that's sufficient to keep me busy. And thanks for the support. --Calton | Talk 05:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

signature

You have been a great admin and I want to reward you. Kind of my way of giving you a barnstar. Do you want me to make you a custom signature? Btilm 04:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy delete of redirect at Tennyson (disambiguation)

Hi! You declined my speedy deletion request for the above-linked page. I placed it in conjunction with this requested move, which I'm trying to close. Sorry for not linking to the discussion in the speedy template itself! What was proposed at the RM seems like a pretty sensible rearrangement of redirects and pages, but I've never closed a RM before, so I may have the wrong idea. Would you remind reviewing the discussion there, and seeing if the redirect should be deleted and/or if I'm in error? Thanks! — æk^Talk 05:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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Speedy delete of National Multiple Sclerosis Society, National Capital Chapter

I removed the A7 speedy tag you placed on National Multiple Sclerosis Society, National Capital Chapter IMO the mentions of lobbying at the federal level indicated at least a claim of significance. obviously independent sources would be needed for this to survive an AfD, but I suspect they might be out there. I know that individual chapters of national organizations are usually not notable, but sometimes they are, and a chapter in the national capital is significantly more likely to attract independent coverage IMO. I think this needs either to be given some time to develop, or at worst, sent to AfD. DES ^(talk) 06:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

"Boston" or "Boston, Massachusetts"

Would you please glance at Commons:Category:Buildings in Boston, Massachusetts? Three of the twelve major subcats include "Massachusetts"; the rest do not. Having to remember which is which is a nuisance. Am I right that it is "correct" to omit "Massachusetts" in this context and other similar places? If so, I'll move the three and the main category. Thanks. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 13:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Davis

Hey man you helped me out the other day with my question about JD, thanks for the link and your right its huge!! I tryed opening it my computers just crashes if you could post the relevant pages up on my talk page I would be really greatful Thanks again dude, King Alaric (talk) 16:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

William B. Dunlap

Here you go!-Blargh29 (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Tables of sites removed from the NRHP

Hi NYT ... When creating new tables of sites removed from the NRHP, I've been in the habit of removing the wiki-links for the sites since (a) they probably lose their notability claim when they're no longer on the Register and (b) in many cases, these sites have been removed because they no longer exist. I see that you reinstated the wiki-links I removed at National Register of Historic Places listings in Portland, Louisville, Kentucky#Former listings. Perhaps this bears some discussion at WT:NRHP, but I thought I'd post a note here first to solicit your thoughts. --sanfranman59 (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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The talk to me part links to your user talk page. You will have to put it on another page to see the full effect. Tell me what you think of it. Btilm 19:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Brattleboro topic

Was out of the country for a week. Just read your note. Looks like you've solved the problem. If not, I'll be around, but a week behind in regular editing for awhile. Cheers!Student7 (talk) 23:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeshiva Derech Hatalmud

The reason for speedy deletion on this article was that it has no sources for confirmation. Users should prep their articles to an acceptable state before posting them as new pages. As you know they can do this on a sandbox. I suggest this article be moved to the user's sandbox and the user be notified. Thanks AlexGWU (talk) 02:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Deleted article

I notice that the article i created Syro Malabar Church Religious Congregations was deleted. It is a list of Congregations of Syro Malabar Church and since its a list almost same information can be found in many books as well as article. I believe such a thing is not a criteria for deletion.

Before listing a deletion review request, i would like to see if you can review the request.

Pamparam (talk) 03:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

The main content was an alphabetical list. That was also not completely identical as in the link you cited. The list in the article was tyler made. If you think there are issues with the description dont you think a wikify tag is proper than deletion. I would like to see if you can review the deletion.Pamparam (talk) 03:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I mean the list was tailer made ( sorry for the typo) not from the site which was given as a copy right violation. In fact it was a specific list on Syro Malabar Church Congregations. That article contained a description about the Congregations ( such as overview and evolution) and a list of congregations. Do you think i should take this up in deletion review. Please suggest.Pamparam (talk) 04:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a way in which you can provide me the list with out going for WP:DR. I can work on the description to wikify if needed. I dont want to type the list again if there is a way.Pamparam (talk) 04:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your help with this. I will use the list and re create the article with a brief introduction. ThanksPamparam (talk) 05:36, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Ghost Ranch, New Mexico, USA

Sir, your comment on the addition of the Ghost Ranch homepage was: Looks like spam. I herewith would like to invite you to look into the Ghost Ranch page and furthermore into the Wikipedia page on the subject. Perhaps you might change your change/deletion after looking at the importance of the place. Please, also refer to Abiquiú, New Mexico, which is the geographical home to the ranch. I would be enchanted and thank you in advance.==91.35.210.53 (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC) As Ihave registered with the english language Wiki by now her is my new "name". Have you been able to check home page of the Ghost Ranch at Abiquiú, NM ? If not, please do. Thanking you in advance--Letdemsay (talk) 13:39, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Re. Jeff Davis

Thanks for the pages very much appreciated i'll be fine with the refrencing thanks if you could just let me know the title of the artical, the writer and the date of publication it would be really helpful cheers again. King Alaric (talk) 17:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Minor LOL

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on Bozeman, Montana. You will be amused to know that some locals DO refer to the community as "the Bozone". But few living outside of the community know that. Montanabw^(talk) 00:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

well, when the college kids get really tanked up for the 'Cat-Griz Football game, aka the "Brawl of the Wild," I suppose a few folks COULD legitimately be labeled "Bozos," but for entirely different reasons! Montanabw^(talk) 00:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Akron, Ohio again

When you get a chance, please check the edit history for Akron, Ohio as another edit war has begun as one user continues to add poorly-written and most times unsourced content to the article. Of particular note is the "Spoken Dialects" section (also known as Dialects and Accent in previous edits) that seems largely unneeded since Akron doesn't really have a significant accent or dialect. At the very least additional insights and opinions would help. Thanks --JonRidinger (talk) 01:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the agreement. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Check the section Akron, Ohio#Culture and references to the city in popular culture. The intro is full of unsourced claims, not to mention the long section title. At the very least it needs some tags. Threeblur talks about "agreeing with Jon" on removing unsourced info, yet he only did that in one instance (an unsourced claim of "diversity") after reverting my removals at least three times. The biggest reason this article has suffered so much is because most experienced editors give up and go elsewhere. They spend time getting it fixed and up to Wikipedia and project guidelines and then Threeblur comes in and reverts and/or adds his own cruft and they just end up in an edit war with him. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:51, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok alot of claims on Wikipedia is unsourced due to editors assuming its common knowledge thats easy to find through a quick search on the internet, i admit shouldnt aspect other to know about Akron as much as i do. Im sure i agreed with you more times than that but some of the times i mght be confusing you with Bernie. Also when you were removing diverse in your revision, you didnt state why you were doing it the first times, you just did it along with other info you may have given reasons for. "The biggest reason this article has suffered so much is because most experienced editors give up and go elsewhere." "They spend time getting it fixed and up to Wikipedia and project guidelines and then Threeblur comes in and reverts and/or adds his own cruft and they just end up in an edit war with him." See, the way you word event that take place egsaturates them to almost false (and sometimes there), you say it as if you can name five (excluding you and Bernie) editors and cases in which that has happened.--Threeblur0 (talk) 12:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how much you know about anything; never add info to Wikipedia without an accompanying reliable source. I don't know how else to say it, yet you keep doing it. The removal of "diverse" was under "removed unsourced claims" in the edit summary. I am not required to itemize every removal. I removed every claim that had no source and you restored them without any sources. As for editors, I never said it was a lot; that's really not the point. The point is the article has suffered and every attempt to help make it better (removing trivia, unsourced info, etc.) becomes a massive edit war and a constant re-explanation of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. It's worn me out on several occasions (and StepShep and Beirne at least) and now the article is bloated with trivia galore and a host of other problems. Anyway, Threeblur if you have further questions/comments directed at me, please use my talk page instead of here. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Shakers

Thanks for the comment on Sabbathday Lake Shaker Village. One of the middle aged guys from the Boston Globe article in the references appears to be the one that is no longer in the community. I am not sure if he died or chose to leave. Until writing and researching this article I had assumed that all the Shakers were long gone. They are remarkable in the fact that they are still around when the other celibates are (I think) long gone. Dincher (talk) 04:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The Boston Globe article is very good. I suggest reading it. I am pretty sure that the folks at Ephrata Cloister were celibate as well. Dincher (talk) 04:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks like they weren't celibate! Dincher (talk) 04:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Insidethe Rev.jpg

I've deleted this image, as it was tagged as nonfree-with-no-rationale for more than a week. Some days ago, you tagged the image with an OTRS-received template (ticket 2009111710033771), but didn't change the licensing. Was the email insufficient for permission? Please restore the image if permission was satisfactory. Nyttend (talk) 04:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Permission was not satisfactory (the email gave only permission to use on Wikipedia); I'll restore it in due course if we get better permission. Thanks for the note. Stifle (talk) 09:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit to Akron

Also i wanted to tell you i had no problem with your edit to the page and admit i was the one that put it like that. I wish had more editors working on the page, besides the random ip adresses, alot of time i feel like the only working soul on the farm.--Threeblur0 (talk) 13:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Cookies

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, enjoy the cookies, I made them myself

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Watching?

I already watch your talk page and will be glad to try and keep a closer eye on it - with the holidays I imagine I will not be online as much as I normally am (pesky real life), but I should be able to respond to things within several hours or at least on that same day, and should be around, especially in the evenings. Have a good and safe trip, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll just reply here - there were several metal truss bridges that were not on the Frog page until fairly recently diff, so I downloaded all those pictures and have been adding them to Commons and the articles today. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded all the pictures for bridges that were not on Frog before, and did not already have an image here. I also emailed the NRHP about Bridge between East Manchester and Newberry Townships - will let you know what they let me know. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

GRES Renascer de Jacarepaguá

I see that you have twice removed a speedy deletion tag from GRES Renascer de Jacarepaguá, with edit summaries saying that CSD A7 does not apply to schools. Did you read my edit summary when I restored the tag after you removed it the first time? A Samba School is a group of people who dance the Samba, frequently in processions in carnivals and the like: it is not a "school" in the normal sense of the word, i.e. it is not an educational institution. I see no reason why CSD A7 should not be applied here, just as it could be used for a "school of thought" or a "school of whales". I intend to propose the article for speedy deletion again, but before doing so I shall wait a short while to give you a chance to explain why I am wrong if I have missed something. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

	<font=3> Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and all the best in 2010! Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Amphibious antelope

'Fraid not, although this blatant hoax led to me learning about the Nile Lechwe and the Sitatunga, so I guess this cloud has a silver lining. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 04:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Alfredo Chiacig

Do you suppose any salting may be in order here? There seems to be a long (albeit intermittent) history of negative unsourced BLP recreation over at ALFREDO CHIACIG, CHIACIG ALFREDO, Chiacig crime family, CHIACIG, Alfredo Chiacig and Alfredo chiacig. Steamroller Assault (talk) 05:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Safe trip

Have a safe trip! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Logan County info

I just wanted to let you know I did an edit on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Township,_Logan_County,_Ohio and I added a section to note the Bickham Covered Bridge and used your pictures from the commons. Get in touch with me if you like. Strangersound (talk) 03:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Legend Lake, Wisconsin

I notice you remove an external link from the Legend Lake, Wisconsin article. Many of these unincorporated areas in Wisconsin have lake protection and rehabilition districts not to mention the various land owners associations that help the towns with some of the various duties. The Legend Lake Rehabilition District is a local government agency. I hope you will reconsider. Hope you are well. Happy New Year. Thanks-RFD (talk) 18:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks-I hope your vacation is going well. I suspect many of these census-designated places have special districts/land owners association that meet some need/requirement and this is not only in Wisconsin but throughout the country-RFD (talk) 14:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Greenville, Utah

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