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Bragging about what you ignore

When people are blocked—even for a day or two—inaccurate system messages often say that they can post to others' talk pages when, in fact, they can only post to their OWN talk page. If you, as you so proudly advertise, refuse to condescend to visit others' talk pages, then how can people raise their concerns and have them addressed? That seems rather short-sighted to me . . .

50.128.184.140 (talk) 21:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

See [1]; I perform plenty of blocks and don't have time to go around to all of them every few hours. Meanwhile, see Wikipedia:Notifications. Imagine that you write something on your user talk page; if you include a link to my username, and if you sign the post, I'll get something telling me what you did. This feature isn't affected by blocks; I believe that notifications work just as well for things written by IPs as by things written by logged-in users. Finally, when you're blocked, the normal course of things is either to accept the block or to appeal to an uninvolved administrator with the {{unblock}} template. If you want my attention, you can let me know, but you're generally better off working with an uninvolved administrator. Nyttend (talk) 21:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't going to comment on this, but I think I take exception to your statement that you "perform plenty of blocks and dont have time to go around to them every few hours". It has always been my impression that a good admin hands out blocks sparingly, and then they monitor unblock requests. In essence, if you are going to block, then - in all but the most trollish cases - you need to clear your schedule to make the time to answer unblock requests. If you don't have the time, ask someone else to block. Not saying that that was the case with me or Darkfrog24 (to the contrary; you responded quite quickly), but that is a bad statement in support of a bad attitude, and you will garner more than the usual amount of admin headaches if you treat your personal blocking schedule in such a way. I know having the mop is difficult, but you knew that before accepting the position.

Lastly, what template was I supposed to use to contact you on my talk page? Apparently, the one I used was incorrect. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Did you look at the link I gave to my blocks-performed log? Most blocks I levy are for vandals and spammers; we have no reason to be sparing with someone who replaces pages with obscenities or does nothing but userpage advertising. Can you imagine how much time it would take to go visit all of their talk pages with any frequency? I respond rapidly when people let me know with a notification or when someone else lets me know that the person I blocked is requesting unblock. Please check the IP who left this comment, by the way; both at his talk page and elsewhere, the guy's screaming at everyone who comes along, so it would help if you didn't go along with it. Finally, you didn't link my username correctly from the software's point of view: you have to add a link to my userpage and a link to yours in the same edit; if you simply add a link to mine without adding a link to yours, as you did here, the software won't know what you're doing. Nyttend (talk) 01:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

The examples you presented fall within my caveat of "most trollish cases". I know admins spend a lot of their time with the worst examples of internet humanity (I watchlist the ANI page) I am suggesting that it can build an auto response to anyone apparently doing anything wrong to block first and ask questions later. Blocking participants in an edit war - without knowing what's going on - does no one any good. In the situation between DF and myself, both were coming from a position where we both thought we were following policy. What we didn't have - and desperately needed - was some input as to which view was the correct one. It is a need that has yet to be met. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

So...why do you attack me for a response I made to a most trollish case? Meanwhile, all that's needed is verification that neither participant in an edit war is removing copyvios, reverting blatant vandalism, etc. I considered protecting the page, but I then remembered that we normally don't protect a page because of an edit war of just two individuals, due to its effect on non-warring editors; it does everyone else good to block a pair of editors who have been edit-warring for a week, and I will not inconvenience other editors for the sake of your block log. Nyttend (talk) 12:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry that you feel I am attacking you; perhaps consider that I felt precisely the way you do now when you blocked me for actually preserving out sourcing policy. The idea of painting me as an edit-warrior when I was the one to exhaust every avenue of dispiute resolution before finally submitting a complaint to the admin noticeboard. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:32, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

You have demonstrated to me how wrong I was to unblock you; your article dispute doesn't play into anything here, since the only relevant thing here was the edit-warring of which both of you were quite guilty, and of which you currently deem worthy of defending. Meanwhile, I suggest that the preceding be your last word here because of your non-apology apology; if you continue anyway, either I'll ignore you, report you, or simply point and laugh, or I'll simply delete it and seek your block. Nyttend (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

This will be my last post, as you appear unwilling to discuss the matter further. I have already admitted that I was wrong to participate in the back and forth. Repeatedly. What I have been stating is that admin assistance before the disagreement escalated into the edit-war would have been so much more beneficial than a swift block without knowing the background. The edit-war wasn't "the only relevant thing"; the important thing was to understand how or why it had initiated to prevent it from recurring, Blocking is meant as protective, not punitive. If you don't solve the problem, you are only delaying further problems. And allow me to be perfectly clear: I will not be a part of that problem, as I will not be participating in any further edit-warring. The failure to address the problem will end up spreading to other articles. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 13:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Heads up

We edit-conflicted here as I was unblocking. Remember, "Bob at Chevrolet" is an acceptable username, so is "Vorobieva IQ" if their name is Vorobieva. However, I've dropped {{coiq}} there because there were perhaps some other elements lacking the panda ₯’ 19:04, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm confused

If you were unaware of the ANI discussion, how did you become aware of our problem at Oathkeeper? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:33, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

See this diff; someone mentioned the ANI case in a protection request, but I was unaware of its existence until I saw that request, and I didn't look at until after levying the blocks. Nyttend (talk) 01:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so it was Donlago who colored a legitimate problem as a slapfight between me and Darkfrog24. How…helpful of him. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Processing MFD's

Hello Nyttend, regarding some of your recent MFD deletions, first let me say I have no objection to your speedy deletions! It is customary to not !vote and close the same discussion; if you want to speedy delete and XFD, please close it with your speedy deletion comment, that way it is marked done for everyone. An example is here: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dranthonyalsayed. Thank you, and Happy Editing! — xaosflux ^Talk 01:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, missed that, again no objection to the action; I ran my mop over the page since. If you want to close the MFDs the standard way here is how:

1. Edit the MFD subpage (the one you were already on)
2. ABOVE the section header "==Blah Blah" put {{subst:mfdtop|'''Action'''. Your reason. ~~~~}}
3. At the BOTTOM of the subpage put {{subst:mfdbottom}}

If not, no worries, someone will get them anyway. Cheers, — xaosflux ^Talk 01:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Yup! That includes all of the collapsing code (it will appear open on the mfd subpage, but collapsed on the mfd master page). — xaosflux ^Talk 02:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I just refactored to the edit notice for the pages to include the directions, take a look here to see it in action (big green bar at top). — xaosflux ^Talk 11:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Copyright Question

Hello. I am very new at this and I do not even know if I am supposed to be writing here. But you recently deleted the Climate Change in Lebanon page for copyright infringement (G12) because it was copied from a page on this website: climatechange.moe.gov.lb/energy. This website belongs to us, the people writing the page, we are the Climate Change team at the Lebanese Ministry of Environment and UNDP. This is the first time writing on Wikipedia, and we do not know the procedures so much. Could you please guide us to repost the page with the proper referencing? Thank you.

This may be of interest to you

And editor renominated a file for speedy that you had declined. I uploaded it; he had been the original nominator too. [2]. Thanks, Nyttend! John from Idegon (talk) 07:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

About your warning to me on slavic neopaganism

See my answer at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:195.150.224.186 also read talk page of article and also read history of editing, that ip user attacked me numerous times in past. I started answering in same manner he/she did. Did you warn her/him too? I hope so. 195.150.224.186 (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2014 (UTC) I replied on my talk page. Thank you for contact. I hope we can work together to make wikipedia a better place. Best wishes. 195.150.224.186 (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Baroness Emma Orczy by Bassano.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Baroness Emma Orczy by Bassano.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you object to the listing for any reason. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Carithers Store Building

I got the nomination form for the Carithers Store Building today; unfortunately, the building is definitely gone. It was located at 40.366096°N 90.4255°W / 40.366096; -90.4255, in what's now the empty space along US 136 in front of the medical building. (The space where the medical building itself is used to be an Odd Fellows building, and wasn't part of the Carithers Store Building's plot.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:06, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

And now the building has an article too. Ironically, the building was considered significant in part for being the last surviving example of its type in the area. I mentioned your photo to support the claim that it's no longer standing, so you may want to prioritize uploading that one once you get to the Illinois photos. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 10:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading the photo! TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:15, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Also that IP is also BCD.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 16:21, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

AN

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Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

Can you reduce full protection to no more than one or two years? Indefinite time on this article implies a possible breakdown of community in Wikipedia. --George Ho (talk) 23:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

And can you add Iran Air Flight 655 to the "See also" section? Supersaiyen312 (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Please unprotect this page; the protection is more disruptive than whatever editwarring was occurring. My full request/rationale is on the article talk page. Thanks. 9kat (talk) 00:30, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• I would like to know why you full-protected the article, Nyttend. Was it because a few editors were edit-warring? If yes, then the issues should be dealt with by blocking and not full-protection. Judging by the WP:ANI thread, there's consensus not to have it full-protected. I believe you should undo the full-protection and issue individual blocks instead. Heymid (contribs) 08:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Undue "edit-warring" warning

Hi. Posting an edit-warring warning on my talk page 22:15‎, when my last edit was at 10:45 is ludicrous. The ludicrosity is enhanced still when said edit concerned removal of certified WP:FRINGE material. Please refrain from such actions, they are not productive. Thank you. Kleuske (talk) 00:05, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm well aware of what was going on; the problem is that a declaration that something is fringe does not absolve you of the requirement to be neutral or permit you to remove evidence of a different perspective — let alone edit-warring, missing a 3RR violation by just three hours. I cannot remember the last time that I saw "fringe" referenced, except by those seeking an excuse to avoid writing neutrally; this is definitely not such an instance. Nyttend (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Not quite sure what that last sentence means... This is an instance where WP:FRINGE is cited and the removal was not neutral or just the opposite? If you think removing the reference to Genemuiden wasn't neutral, please provide a reliable source to indicate any such connection. Kleuske (talk) 00:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

For some reason i have a strong sense you have absolutely no clue about what was going on. Kleuske (talk) 00:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Kleuske's been edit-warring against multiple users, and protecting right now would have the result of rewarding Kleuske. I've issued a warning for edit-warring and will enforce it with a block if this continues.

— Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Navalia

Q.E.D.

They are all the same "contributor", either admittedly or they pass the ducktest with flying colors. Rolf1981 is gaming the system an you took the bait hook, line and sinker. Kleuske (talk) 00:30, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I see three IP addresses: 192.87.139.165 from Amsterdam, 82.157.236.177 from Amsterdam, and 90.20.171.182 from Orléans. Are you saying that all three of them are the same person as Rolf? Nyttend (talk) 00:41, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Either that, or they are meatpuppets all calling themselves Rolf matching him quite closely, taking up discussions where Rolf1981 left off, either here on on nl.wp.

• 192.87.139.165 (talk · contribs) Pokes his nose at me here (dutch wiki, note the signature)
• 82.157.236.177 (talk · contribs) does it here in response to a conversation with Rolf1981
• 90.20.171.182 (talk · contribs) here

Then there's subject matter:

• Rolf1981: The Solar Garden, Battle of Berezina, Navalia (en.wp). SC Genemuiden, Edoeard Oespenski, Tsjeboerasjka (nl.wp)
• 82.157.236.177:Battle of Berezina, The Solar Garden, Navalia (en.wp), SC Genemuiden (signs "Rolf" on the talk page), Tsjeboerasjka, The Solar Garden
• 90.20.171.182:Edoeard Oespenski, Tsjeboerasjka (nl.wp)

And they're all interested in the same name that occurs once in classical literature and they all want exactly the same fringe theory in the article? The word "proxy" (either open or closed) is familiar to you? Kleuske (talk) 01:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, yes... 82.157.236.177 also filed a block request on the dutch wiki, which was subsequently advocated by Rolf1981 (it was found frivolous). In the course of the exchange, Rolf1981 claims: "I'm not always logged in [...]. Where it says Rolf it's me, i assumed that was clear". Here and here he admits the block request by 82.157.236.177 was actually his. Kleuske (talk) 01:43, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Finally, I have extensively argued the case against "Navalia is Genemuiden" on the dutch wikipedia. I am quite prepared to do the same here, if you want, but it seems a waste of time. Kleuske (talk) 01:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Update

I was not the only one who thought it fishy. Dutch CU just confirmed 82.157.236.177, 192.87.139.165 and 84.85.238.54 as Rolf1981 socks, 90.20.171.182 as a "probable" sock. See here. HTH, HAND. Kleuske (talk) 12:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Latest: Rolf1981 got blocked indefinately on nl.wiki for sockpuppetry. Kleuske (talk) 15:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks for taking the decision to fully protect the article about the aeroplane crash. I'm glad there are still sysops that are willing to make tough decisions in the face of a mob. RGloucester — ☎ 05:09, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• I would also say that I appreciate the hard work on incorporating edits. It is actually going more smoothly than I had hoped for. All I can conclude is that the real edit warriors have simply gone away, not interested in actual discussion. Reading WP:AN and news links there, it looks like the timing was about perfect. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 13:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• +1, notwithstanding my comments on best practices. The time to protect the article was right and you did the right thing in doing so. Protonk (talk) 18:11, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Best Wishes

My best wishes with your move to Pennsylvania. Thank you for your work with Wikipedia.RFD (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

RfA

Hi. A while ago, you suggested I should be an admin. If you're offering to nominate, I would accept . —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:02, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

You're supposed to do more than just nominate, Nyttend - it's usual to also support. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I've left a comment for you at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/AlanM1#General_comments. Commentators are picking up on the candidate's lack of involvement and experience, which appears to be at odds with what is implied in your nomination statement with your remarks on long editing history. On examination AlanM1 appears to have only been active since 2012 - prior to that the edits were fairly infrequent, amounting to only a few days per year. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 20:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Paxton First Schoolhouse

It might be another demolished site, but I checked the photo in HARGIS, and it doesn't match File:Paxton First Schoolhouse.jpg (which looks like a modern house to me). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I suppose that's possible too, though the house in the HARGIS photo looks a bit taller. Either way, the building's aren't recognizably similar, so adding "site of" is probably best. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Have a good time down there. I'm looking forward to seeing all of those pics - you've been covering quite the range lately! TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I have a few of the Illinois lists on my watchlist, and I've been noticing all the new pictures coming in this weekend. Thanks for getting all of those; it'll be nice to have more pictures to put in my new Illinois articles. On a somewhat related note, I was working on the Riverton Site and the Swan Island Site, two Crawford County substubs that I missed on my first pass because they had two references. The nomination forms for both sites claim that they're one of three Riverton culture sites, along with the Stoner Site; however, the Glendale Ridge Archaeological Site in Indiana is also a Riverton culture site according to your list of archaeological sites. I suspect this is just an issue with using documents from 1978, but do you have the SHAARD ID number for Glendale Ridge so I can look into this? (I also want to start an article on the Riverton culture, so the Glendale Ridge nomination would presumably be useful for that.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:06, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for all those references! It's going to be a while before I have the chance to get to a physical library, but the Winters book should definitely be useful, and it looks like I can get the JSTOR article with a free trial (though I don't already have access to it). The Glendale Ridge nomination makes vague references to several other Riverton sites and explicitly mentions one in Bartholomew County, so it looks like there are far more than the three in Crawford County. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Unblock on hold

Hello. Regarding this edit, there is a better way to get someone out of the unblock cat.

Under the dropdown menu for "Administrator use only" there is a prefilled template for {{Unblock on hold | 1=blocking administrator | 2=unblock reason | 3=Your signature}}.

This puts the user in the sparsly populated Category:Unblock_on_hold without giving the false sense of declining. I use it often when I need to consult with the blocking admin before unblocking. Chillum 02:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Re-submission

I have resubmitted the Climate Change in Lebanon page after I rewrote it in my own words. Could you please inform me if it is now ok for posting? Please this is urgent. Thank you

Help

Hi Nyttend, Rhode Island Red again wants to destroy my article about Helmut Diez, the same way he or she tried it about two years ago. What can I do against his or her vandalism? Sincerely --Hans-Jürgen Hübner (talk) 11:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

1,603,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Planck times

In WP:AN you linked it to day. Do you expect the vandal to understand? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

You are right

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.16.108 (talk) 22:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Kentucky

I saw on another talk page that you had noted that nobody was doing anything on KY. I am not physically there, BUT if I can help, let me know..PleaseCoal town guy (talk) 23:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

That was the place I spoke about, yes...Let me know what I can do for KY...I am a tad familiar with Perry County and the surround as my fathers ancestry comes from there....ANY tutoring you would be willing to provide would be GREATLY accepted and appreciated in regards to NRIS.......Thats why I was trying to get waaaay better pics of the McDowell County, West Virginia area......I very much would like to know more in regards to properly using NRIS and articles Coal town guy (talk) 02:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar!

Thanks for the barnstar! I've detected possible vandalism on the 2014 Ebola outbreak page by user 154.66.3.35. Not sure if there is a way to block the numbers so they are not constantly changed back (new to Wikipedia editing, still figuring out how things work). Thanks again for your encouragements, really made me want to continue contributing to the article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.216.227.161 (talk) 15:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! I've never paid much attention to this table; I figured that it was someone updating the table to match things already in the article. Unfortunately, I don't think further sanctions would be helpful — it looks like the guy's using a dynamic IP (documentation, if you don't know what I mean), like you are, so if I block the IP address, it might affect someone else who's innocent. If you see him doing more of this, leave him a warning template, {{uw-vand2}}; if he keeps going, leave uw-vand3 and 4, and if he still keeps going, report him for blocking. You can ask me with a message here, or you can go to a page dedicated for this purpose, WP:AIV. Nyttend (talk) 02:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Anon users

Thank you for showing me this feature. I had been under the impression that usernames with "anonymous" were discouraged the same as ones with "vanished user" are, but I see that this is not the case. - Hoops gza (talk) 19:23, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

This might be a dumb question but...

...How do I get those cool box things on my user page? Like the one that says you have no Tv set.TheElderFox (talk) 03:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks man! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheElderFox (talk • contribs) 05:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

I can't actually give you a cookie for helping me so this will have to do until someone finds a way to send food thru a computer! TheElderFox (talk) 06:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Project removal via talk page deletion

Hello, I just noticed that File talk:Ben Johnson House.jpg was deleted with the explanation "Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page". However, the file is not deleted or nonexistent. It is a file related to the Louisville area and was thus included in WP:Lou. Even though the page is a shadow of what is on Commons, it is still a real page in the English Wikipedia. Wikipedia:CSD#G8 doesn't seem to apply. Is there something I'm missing? A response here is fine, as I will monitor. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, just go to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Ben_Johnson_House.jpg&action=edit and you'll see that there is no local description page: it only exists on Commons, and there has been no English Wikipedia page by this title since its deletion on 20:27, 9 January 2012. Nyttend (talk) 22:54, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, now I'm confused, as the page is right here: File:Ben Johnson House.jpg and the URL shows that it's in the English Wikipedia and not Commons. It's a reflection of what is on Commons, I get that, but it's still an image that's used "locally". Is there a guideline against having a project watch a locally-used Commons file? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 16:58, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Miscarriage of justice corrected

Just a heads-up to let you know that I manually reverted your recent AE>BE changes to the Instant film article, and then some. Your ENGVAR policing arrived way too late in the game and simply — presumably, unwittingly — served to reward the offenders. The article, about a US product line, began in AE and so remained for several years. Then a short section with a couple of "colours" was added. Later came several big chunks of text with more of them. Then someone decided to "correct" the unbearable Yankee orthography in some other places. Finally, your edit "cured" the last remaining instances of the original spelling. I have been accused of being linguistically Anglophile, with an unconscious tendency to diphthongize words like "new" and to write "traveler" and "jewelry" with a double "l", but my WP experiences to date are rapidly curing me of any such tendencies. Whether it is done stealthily and piecemeal or boldly and in plain sight, I find the crusading of some Brits to impose a BE spelling as the only true and correct one breathtakingly arrogant and increasingly offensive. If I am correctly informed, half of the world's native English speakers are Yanks. The upstart colonies are independent now, chaps, and the empire is all gone. Get used to it. 66.81.240.114 (talk) 17:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Did you even look at my userpage? I'm an Ohioan. Nyttend (talk) 18:58, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I did look, and I was duly surprised that a Yank would be a party to finalizing the gratuitous changeover of yet another article from the originally established AE into BE, especially as there is a very strong US association in this one (Edwin Land, the Polaroid Corporation, Polaroid instant cameras and films, the Kodak instant camera and film: American one and all). I have, indeed, read ENGVAR, but I must have missed the part where it says that any of its other rules may be disregarded if there is inconsistent spelling to be resolved. Did you bother to probe around in the article's history before driving the final nails into the AE coffin? That seems very unlikely. I am not about to bloody myself in a reversion war with an administrator, so if this is a matter of pride and the assertion of will, chalk up an easy win. If I am doing you an injustice by supposing that such base personal factors might be in play, then I herewith simply register my strong objection to your action in this case on the grounds noted above and request that you study and reconsider it. 66.81.242.239 (talk) 21:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

"United States" alongside state names

Seeing as the IP was blocked for the edits you're restoring, I wonder if perhaps it would make sense to see how the ANI sorts out before you continue. JohnInDC (talk) 19:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

In 2012. Your edits look fine to me, don't worry. I am actually rather surprised that there is even a discussion about whether we need to specify the name of the country if it is the United States. Weird. --John (talk) 19:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

McDowell County WV places

Hey Nyttend, whoever has named these neighborhoods of Gary is whole sale incorrect. They were unincorporated entities in totum and as they were mined out, people assumed incorrectly, they were "neighborhoods" of Gsry...which I find ironic as Gary is on the edge of becoming a ghost town itself...went there in May of this year. Would you find it OK, to change these to unincorporated communities of their own, and I can remove the "neighborhood" claim. I have found no actual documented source that states, oh yes, Elbert is a neighborhood of Gary. I would of course leave these as unincorporated places. I will of course follow any suggestion given.....Coal town guy (talk) 22:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I edited Elbert only as an example..Elbert is a coal town I knew well, it had its own Post Office and mine...there have been some attempts in McDowell lately to claim places as a neighborhood as opposed to being its own unincorporated community. Coalwood laid claim to Cucumber and tried to say the same about War, until of course someone reminded the Coalwood folks that War was a city and Cucumber was a seperate CDP..ooopsCoal town guy (talk) 22:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I did indeed take a peek at a map Wilcoe is a full 2.1 miles outside of Gary and its limits, Elbert is a full 4.2 miles outside of Gary, and Thorpe is a full 9.1 miles outside of Gary....all of these are not in anyway a similiarity direction Example Thorpe is to the East and Wilcoe to the North.....Let me know what you think, unless Gary has expanded exponentially, I cant see that. Each place aslo I believe had its own post office when they were an active coal townCoal town guy (talk) 22:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I just replied to Catalyst31 on my Talk Page, unless you do not agree, I will cange the places from neighborhoods to their own unincorporated entity and place them on the county template. I can provide that would show they are a seperate coal town.....In fact, I can provide a ref that would show which coal company ran that town. There was a non ref'd sectionn in the Gary article that stated these places were neighborhoods, which they are not.Coal town guy (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Found an excellent ref, and want to ask, what do we do??...Here s why, According to the book,U.S. Steel and Gary, West Virginia: Corporate Paternalism in Appalachia, they were formerly independant, BUT part of the condition for Gary to incorporate was to make them part and parcel of Gary. Which they did in 1971. Since they were at one time independant and a few have current post offices, how do we handle that?? In my opinion it would be a misnomer to say they are a neighborhood especially since they were independant, is it possible to make them historical places or in some way designate they were actual places before Gary was incorporated??? Coal town guy (talk) 00:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

DONE, redid a sentence in the intro paragraph and provided ref see Gary, West Virginia. The places are "neighborhoods" are mentioned, and of course linked, BUT not part of the county template.Coal town guy (talk) 13:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Judaism in Nepal

You proposed that the article History of the Jews in Nepal be renamed to Judaism in Nepal. An RFC was then opened asking for consensus. I have closed the RFC with the conclusion that consensus supports the move. I have not moved the article because a proper move also requires that the lede be rewritten. Either you or the poster of the RFC can revise the lede and move the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I revised the lede and moved the article. Please review it. Robert McClenon (talk)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	BECAUSE you take time to explain things patiently, even remote coal towns in West Virginia, you are awarded this Coal town guy (talk) 02:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

re: Pole needed

If you drop a request at WP:POLAND, I am sure somebody could stub it for you. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

CDC

In this edit note, you wrote: " "CDC" means something else in this part of the world" explaining a change you made in the section on "initial outbreak in Guinea". What is the antecedent of "this", and what other meaning does CDC have there? just curious. thanks! Jytdog (talk) 00:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer over on my talk page! makes total sense. Jytdog (talk) 00:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

mmmm I hear you on that. I will try to be sensitive to that going forward. Jytdog (talk) 00:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard

Can you please just delete that battleground argument as disruptive? Please?

As of today, the dispute/argument ended, but the fighting did not.

You're literally the only admin who commented on that at all. Please put an end to it and make the user leave me alone. I don't want anything to do with him at all. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 04:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, it's resolved now. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

HELP!!, (RESOLVED)

BAD situation happening with repeated racial slurs and vandalism at Ferguson, Missouri page..NEEDS to be locked, it appears to be one new user...Coal town guy (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Page has been locked..Coal town guy (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 August 16#File:Hearts XP.png

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 August 16#File:Hearts XP.png. Thanks. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 14:39, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Taipei

You m:wrong versioned it up when another nationalist editor came in to change everything about. Could you restore Metal.lunchbox's version of the article as per my talk page request? It seems yet another nationalist editor has appeared to make it known that Wikipedia was wrong for calling the country "Taiwan".—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 14:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Quick question. Does your full protection now override your previous semi-protection's expiry such that when the full protection expires the article will no longer be semi-protected?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 16:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Nyttend - that was a bad full protection. Taipei and other Taiwanese articles have been stable now for a couple of years after a gruesome and agonising fight, which did eventually reach consensus, although some on the "losing" side never really gave up. There were also several casualties. The form you have locked the article in is not the consensus form of the past couple of years. It is significantly different. This wasn't a short term edit war. You have taken the side of some rabid, Taiwanese nationalist vandals with whom rational discussion is close to impossible, and who were trying to override a long term consensus without discussion. I know you didn't intend to, but that's the result of the simple approach of just locking it up without a decent investigation. Please at least revert the article to the state it was in a few days ago. Keep it locked then, perhaps. But please don't let some vandals win, even temporarily.

Then, I expect it really will need some ongoing Admin oversight to manage this article (and others in the same area) for some time. The simple full protection was never going to be a solution here. This is one of those times when some Admin or Admins are going to have to work for their status. HiLo48 (talk) 20:49, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 August 13

What about other templates that I nominated? --George Ho (talk) 03:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Buckhorn Presbyterian Church

I don't really agree that the church is the primary topic in this case. With most similar examples of "St. Somebody Church and Rectory" or "St. Somebody Church and Cemetery", the other sites were built for the church and its congregation, so it makes sense to consider the church the primary building. In the case of Buckhorn, both buildings were built for the preexisting Witherspoon College, and the gymnasium was built before the church was. The nomination doesn't really explain what the gym's being used for now, so it might be a church building now (and you've been there and I haven't, so you'd know better than I would), but it wasn't really considered one historically. Witherspoon College might be the appropriate page title here, since both buildings are significant for being part of the college, but it doesn't make historical sense to cut the gymnasium out of the title. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I understand your confusion; before I read the nomination, I was wondering why a church needed its own gymnasium unless there was a school involved. Too bad you couldn't find the gym when you were out there. Good luck with the move! TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Amigo Loans deletion on 7th January 2014

Firstly I do not disagree with the deletion, however I would like the opportunity to re write this page according to the correct Wikipedia guidelines. As the page is protected from creation, therefore only administrators like yourself can create it.

I would to contribute a page for your consideration.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidatamigo (talk • contribs) 09:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:Mid-Ohio Valley geography stubs

Category:Mid-Ohio Valley geography stubs, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

POTD notification

POTD

Hi Nyttend,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Markham-suburbs aerial-edit2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 6, 2014. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2014-09-06. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• That'll turn blue just before the image runs. It's to switch between the prep template (the one I've linked to) and the main page template (which will be protected once created). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Scotch Ridge, Ohio

Kudos to you, sir, for the outstanding photo you took and added to the Scotch Ridge, Ohio article! The Chouse really glows in pictures taken during the golden hour, and you captured it perfectly! — Kralizec! (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Question

You mentioned a CiteVar issue on this diff. I still see the same citation style being used. Also, EEng was altering the citations again in the text and BGwhite did an undo. On a couple of issues, I think a problem has been compounded. The shy template offers a browser break for words, but how do these possibly work on invisible comments which by definition, only render when in editing mode? Same as to why nbsp and other templates would be placed into an invisible comment. Much of the invisible comments are not something I have an issue with, but cite templates are not supposed to have those templates within them because they mess up the data. That was not my change or even something I really wanted to cross into, but on a more content matter - EEng's sources cited frequently do not line up with the text said and he does flip and change them around significantly. One would also think that working with the main source, Macmillan, and co-authoring papers and performing OR and placing it on Wikipedia would at least be well... WP:OR and WP:COI. The map of Cavendish, Vermont that EEng made is not in the book as marked or even discussed. Also, EEng knows that the town had changed in those years, yet is pointing out the houses of Gage and Harlow despite it not being in the text. There is quite a few issues in play with Macmillan 2000 and the sources on Gage's death - one being entirely non-existent! Much of the attacks on other Gage scholars has been removed, but EEng and Macmillan are not the only two scholars on Gage. I understand great work has been done by Macmillan, but this article has several issues that are factually inaccurate and EEng knows this. After consulting the sources and spending probably 40-50 hours working on the matter, I am quite concerned about a significant portion of the article. Though that is a content matter. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:43, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Announcing: NRHP Fall Photo Contest!

The WP:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest will kick off at midnight eastern time on Monday September 1! This is an opportunity for all folks with a camera (or a sketchpad and scanner, doncha know) and an interest in the National Register of Historic Places to just have some low-key fun and maybe get some barnstars. Come submit some photos or pose a challenge to your fellow editors. And maybe, just maybe, along the line we'll improve the encyclopedia... (Note that while this contest is intentionally concurrent with Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 and the Wikipedia Summer of Monuments, there ain't gonna be no cash prizes or press releases here. But compete in 'em all if you like - we won't be jealous.) — Ipoellet (talk) 22:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Mail

Hi Nyttend. Ygm. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 04:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. I just sent the second. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:44, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I sent another one. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 08:13, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

And another. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 08:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

If it helps

I fully support what you're doing with removal. Feel free to link to this comment, or refer anyone complaining to me. Worm^TT(talk) 10:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Someone complained? Thanks for cleaning up, Nyttend--and on my talk page as well. I didn't think it all that necessary, but it's best to err on the side of caution. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Naming convention

With this edit you mentioned a naming convention. To which naming convention are you referring? -- PBS (talk) 20:43, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry for my mistake, although naming convention is a term in its own right, as a term on Wikipedia talk pages it usually referrers to one of the guidelines (such as Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)) that support and explain but do not contradict the Wikipedia:Article titles policy, and I wondered to which Wikipedia guideline you were referring. -- PBS (talk) 08:18, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on the URL updating.

If no one else responds to my reply on Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals, who can I contact about redirect URL if that's a place to add an option of not updating? It seems to me MediaWiki wants to make things harder.A Great Catholic Person (talk) 17:58, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

"Speedy Delete" redirect

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Judaism in Nepal, again

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ANB discussion

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The Mbunda question

Hi Nyttend. Thanks for your help. As for what to do now with the articles on Munda people/ language/ kingdom/ history, I wonder if I should stay out of it as much as possible, as I am already being accused of a personal grudge/ vendetta/ editing out of rage etc. Whoever now tackles these articles seriously will need to peel off two or three layers of 'sources building sources', each crediting the earlier one, with for example where one says the Mbunda migrated from a "notherly directtion" (Achim von Oppen, pg 103), the next one changes that to say they come from the Sudan. Also, from lack of skill or deliberately, the same sources are cited numerous times in the reference section on the same page - Papstein cited 10 times here and 16 times here. And for the record, this is the book "published by Cheke Cha Mbunda Cultural and Writers Association", of which he is the chairperson as it says here, and which is made up of a collection of interviews with mbunda elders. Best regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 17:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Interesting information from the NPS

I requested a nomination form for the Arlington Avenue Historic District after our discussion a few days ago, and while I didn't get it I may have learned some interesting information. Apparently the NPS is moving their nomination forms offsite, and they specifically said that forms from "Arkansas, North Carolina, Texas, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Missouri, Michigan, Virginia, Ohio, Massachusetts and New York" won't be available until early October, as well as forms from 2008-12. I can't say for sure, but I've got my fingers crossed that this means the NPS is finally digitizing the Ohio forms (along with a few other states). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

On the one hand, if my assumption is correct they're doing most of the states with a lot of listings, so I think they're improving in that regard. On the other hand, I'm a little disappointed at how many of those states already have all their nominations online; I think Ohio, Texas, and Michigan are the only new ones on that list, and the latter two at least have some information online already. It would be nice if they prioritized the states that don't digitize their own forms, especially given how long they wait between new batches, but I'm just happy that they're putting up anything new. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

State Bar of California

I noticed that around a week ago you removed some material added by an IP user in the State Bar of California page. The user and I had been in a dispute and so far us two have been the only people part of the discussion regarding their material that they added and whether its sources were reliable and whether a criticism section I added was reliable. I am just trying to get more people into the discussion or else it will just go on and on between myself and them and there will be no conflict resolution. Most of the discussion takes place on their current talk page and their previous IP talk page. I appreciate your contributions to wikipedia and I hope you can contribute to this discussion. SantiLak (talk) 21:45, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Consultation re undeletion

Hi Nyttend - As you probably recall, I was in correspondence with you as the oversighter who suppressed a bunch of edits/pages you deleted. Real-world circumstances have changed with respect to the subject of those edits, and the bulk of them don't qualify under the oversight policy any longer, so I am going to be reversing many if not all of my suppressions. With the exceptions of the AfD and deletion review, I'm going to leave it to you to decide whether or not you prefer to undelete; I feel uncomfortable in unilaterally reversing administrative actions you have made in good faith without at least consulting with you first. However, because the AfD and deletion review are probably relevant to other discussions that will or are likely to take place on the site, I'm going to undelete them, unless you can let me know fairly quickly if you have a problem with this. I'll be watching your page, as well as my email address and the relevant OTRS oversight queue if you'd like to discuss. Thanks, Risker (talk) 00:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to undelete anything that we removed during that process; the only reason I deleted content was that it was preparing for oversight, so if it doesn't qualify for oversight, it shouldn't remain deleted. However, I don't know what you may or may not have un-oversighted at the moment, so it's quite possible that I won't be able to undelete everything — that's why I want you to get anything that I don't. And thanks a lot for chatting over the issue with me! Nyttend (talk) 02:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Nyttend. The oversight team is kind of feeling its way through this process; I can't think of another situation where we have had such a significant bulk of material suppressed that subsequently can be unsuppressed - usually it's only a few edits involved. Some we might just leave alone unless someone specifically points to a page or discussion, just because the discussion has moved on from that point, and the suppressed information is probably not relevant one way or the other. Well, we'll see - we're all learning. Risker (talk) 02:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

ISIS and ISIL redirects

Hello! Could you take a look at my comment to Red Slash here regarding recent moves and redirects? I'm concerned that Red Slash is offline now and I don't feel confident unravelling the moves and redirects involved. I have also asked DGG to take a look, but xhe appears to be busy wrangling G13s. Thanks for taking a look - cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if I misled you

Ny,

I was unable to get out to Centre County recently, so any pix you have there you should include! I will be going out there in a couple of weeks, but doubt that I'll have the time to get anything - well maybe one.

I also had hoped to go through Harrisburg and get a few there, but that doesn't look possible anytime soon.

I'll try to send a personal e-mail sometime today.

Sincerely,

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 11:51, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Bernardo Tule

Hi Nyyttend, could you explain me how Bernardo Tule is notable according to Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Boxing)? Thank you, - --José Gnudista (talk) 02:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't care. A7 is for deleting articles about subjects that don't explain why they're important, and professional sportsmen are definitely important. Nyttend (talk) 02:02, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

That's silly, I wrote that paragraph myself after two years without even a lead! Four unverified fights "somewhere in Acapulco" 16 years ago won't make him a notable boxer nor a professional sportsman, but thank you for wasting everyone's time. --José Gnudista (talk) 02:18, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is the policy. If you disagree, go complain at WT:CSD and stop harassing me for enforcing project standards. Nyttend (talk) 02:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

In hoc signo vinces

Extend PC time? --George Ho (talk) 05:43, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

J.L. Noble School

I drove around and around Altoona and couldn't find J.L. Noble School! Not wonder it WAS. Thanks--Pubdog (talk) 21:22, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Westmoreland County photos

I do photograph places that are no longer there, like this one, but mainly when there is some evidence of their previous existence, or when I've got some indication I've got the right hole in the ground. I talked to the owner of this one after he saw me drive by three times looking for it. I'll fill in the armory sites in a week or two if no one else has done it.

I've been looking at the Squirrel Hill Site as well, but the old road looks gone on the overhead and birds eye views. Plus, the nom form is marked not for publication, and the copy I found has the location information redacted. We should probably mark this entry as Address restricted? Finding the PA nom forms is a lot easier since I lucked into finding that the PHMC database is good at looking up a site by name, and gives the key number that ask regis text search can find. I've had spotty results searching crgis by name. Generic1139 (talk) 04:31, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Some of the Greene County back roads are lightly traveled, its a wonder we didn't at least see each other in the distance - though it is hilly. I don't get people thinking I'm casing the joint as much as thinking I'm there to pick a place to run a pipeline line, or to document an insurance claim. I was going to do Crawford County next, as it is the bluest county in PA on the illustrated counties map, but I assume since you are up that way, you've got it covered? And what tool did you use to add external links to 20 different articles (like this one) in the same minute? Generic1139 (talk) 20:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, no magic tool, then. We're going to need to come up with more templates, tool, and widgets if we're going to beat Dudemanfellabra's 2022 estimate. There are two ends to the Thomas Kent, Jr., Farmhouse's Laurel Run Rd, I just lucked into going in on the end that didn't have the barrier on the little bridge - I didn't see that until I was on the way out. I'd like to finish up Washington and Fayette Counties, but many of the remaining sites are on clearly marked private roads and out of sight of the public road - at least when the leaves are on the trees. I also want to revisit the Bradys Bend Iron Company Furnaces and Regester Log House once the foliage dies down. Generic1139 (talk) 00:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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