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Easy enough... Rich Farmbrough, 04:05 1 April 2008 (GMT).

What about this page? Harding Park, Bronx Rich Farmbrough, 04:24 1 April 2008 (GMT).

Re: Johnston Gym

I'll be a Geneva student starting this fall. :) I have a brother who already attends so I've visited the area a bit. CillaИ ♦ XC 04:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Mobile

Yes, most or all of the community of Mobile has been annexed to Goodyear. Unfortunately for people in that area, they are under jurisdiction of a government to which they have poor road access. I have driven Gas Line Road between Mobile and Rainbow Valley. It is in such poor condition. I was probably going too fast, but I am lucky I was because I actually drove over a ditch instead of going head-first into it, but I would not recommend the drive because it totaled the car (tore the transmission). That's the only road directly between them, and it is not maintained by anyone (it is owned by Southwest Gas I think). Really, I don't think municipalities should be allowed to annex land with no direct road link to municipal government offices - if you don't want to drive on private property and risk damage to your vehicle, it takes an hour and a half to drive from downtown Goodyear to Mobile, although I'm sure they will upgrade the road infrastructure at some point in the next 10 years. --Node (talk) 12:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Pointe Aux Barques Township, Michigan

You removed the Contact Information for the Township and referenced it as "cut the lawyer directory." The respective site, which provides personnel and contact information for municipalities across the country, has nothing at all to do with lawyers. Please take a moment to review the site in question and you will find that the only purpose of the site is to provide information regarding communities, counties, and states. Additionally, the database of municipalities is kept up to date in part by providing city officials, primarily clerks, with password protected access for the purpose of making corrections and updates to their community's profile. I am very interested in learning the purpose for removing this link.

I look forward to your reply. Thank you and God Bless. Global777 (talk) 10:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Nyttend. I appreciate the substance and tone of your reply. Take care and God Bless. Global777 (talk) 14:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Mari(y)etta, Oklahoma

I appreciate the differentiation for the sake of US Census versus GNIS data. I like to edit the template boxes for the sake of creating a more full Wiki, especially articles related to demographic and geographic content. Can you direct me to any good sources here on Wikipedia or otherwise to assist me? Uwieshu 21:26, 3 April 2008(CST) <----That time stamp was just a joke. (UTC)

Well, county navboxes for starters, yes, please. Uwieshu 10:09, 4 April 2008(UTC)

Copy and paste. XD That's mainly what I've been doing, but the direction as far as what to include is important. Question- Elohim City is no longer occupied in the function of a religious/private community. Richard Snell died years ago, and the property has been sold to a more traditional occupant, with no interest in zealotry. Should it be excluded from the navbox, or possibly included under a different heading? Uwieshu 10:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Washta, Iowa

Why do you keep reversing my edits to the Washta, Iowa page? In a town that size it should be noted when a published author is a native of the area. I have posted this with references to credible newspaper articles. What am I missing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.95.210 (talk) 12:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe any published work, assigned an ISBN number and available worldwide meets the notability guideline. It is not an overly lofty goal that all published works shoudl have at least a stub article on Wikipedia. After all, this is supposed to be the largest, most complete source of information in history. Also I believe that there may be an exception that needs to be made in the case of towns such as Washta. If the most successful person in the history of the town is not worth mention, why would the town itself be worth mentioning? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.95.210 (talk) 14:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletions from page on "Contrast Effect"

I note that you have reinserted the sections (Simultaneous Contrast and Successive Contrast that were inserted by some second party) that I, the original author of the page, deleted as being inappropriate. See my commentary on their inappropriateness on the discussion page for my reasons for removal (cut and pasted below). Though you have much experience at Wikipedia, I have 30+ years experience in comparative-psychophysics, -physiological psychology, and -learning and behavior and know of what I write. Please remove those sections or I will again and, in future, please read the discussion page before acting. If they are to be placed on a separate page, then they should be properly categorized and labeled as "Simultaneous Visual Contrast Example" etc. Thank you.

From the discussion page for Contrast Effect... 3/1/2008 -- Original poster here again... I did not insert the sections on simultaneous and successive contrasts at the bottom of the page. Those were added by another party and I recommend that someone more adept at Wikipedia editing than I - remove them from this page. I am uncomfortable with their presence on the same page for several reasons. They fall back into the habit that I warned against above in confusing definitions and examples. That is, by their titles, they imply that they are definitions of simultaneous contrast and successive contrast when they are not - they are only one example each of a very specific visual effect (and the second, while a successive effect to be sure, is not even a contrast effect in the sense defined here. It may be remotely related to "color contrast" by the hue of the illusion, but not the contrast effect being described on this page). Even if the second were a contrast effect and both were more properly labeled (e. g., "Simultaneous Visual Contrast Example" etc.), they would illustrate only one each (visual perceptions) of a wide range of simultaneous and successive effects and create the mis-perception that simultaneous and successive contrast effects have only to do with visual-perceptual effects. A long list of other sensory (e. g. tactile, auditory, olfactory etc), cognitive and performance examples of contrast effect would be required for a balanced presentation of examples. Again, the whole point of the page is to stress the ubiquity of the phenomenon of contrast effect and grasping on to a single narrow example - to give a false sense of understanding - defeats that purpose. Someone, please remove those examples to a more appropriate page.

Regarding the 7/14/2007 comment above about cognitive bias and the second visual example being an ocular/retinal (v. cognitive) effect: See my comment above about the second visual example. I agree that the visual examples don't belong on this page. However, in any case and as I discussed in my first post, the contrast effects being described on this page are empirical phenomena (i. e., without necessary reference to causal or theorized causal mechanism(s) be they eye, ear, muscular feedback, or brain). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.6.7 (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Jarvis in Weathersfield, Weathersfield Bow

It seems to me that any page devoted to Weathersfield and Weathersfield Bow would do well to note that former U.S. Consul (to Portugal) William Jarvis lived in the town. After all, the state of Vermont saw fit to place an historic marker honoring Jarvis on Rt. 5 in Weathersfield Bow, and the town has seen fit to note his accomplishments on its own web site.[1] Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, I don't think that because someone does not yet have a wikipedia entry speaks to their importance (or lack thereof). That is what wikipedia presumably means to remedy. In order to remedy that, it needs to remain open to the ideas of others, some of whom know a great deal about subjects of which others know nothing. William Jarvis was important enough that the town of Weathersfield devoted space on its own municipal website to a historic marker about him. (Incidentally, the town devoted no such space to the Dudleys, so by that measure they weren't important at all.) Of course, that's not correct. The Dudleys were important. That's why I went in and added information about the son Dudley as well as a great deal of information about the father.MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I see that you went ahead and wrote a stub on Jarvis so I guess I succeeded in convincing you he was notable. I would have appreciated your letting me know so that I could have contributed, but I will do that now.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Attack?

You are being nonconstructive by removing believable information that can be reasonably assumed to be true rather than politely asking for a reference, as is standard practice (that's what {{fact}} is for). If the numbers were incredible, then removing them would make sense. I have been at Wikipedia since 2001, forgive me if I forget to add references for numbers every once in a while. You have consistently followed me to every page and if I forget a reference, rather than asking me to add one, you remove the information I have added.

When I have seen unreferenced numbers, I have on several occasions searched for a source for them myself and added it. If you cannot be bothered to do the same, please do not remove useful information when you can just ask for a reference.

"Shoot first, ask questions later" is not a policy we have here, especially not towards believable statistics added by longtime contributors (as opposed to anons or new users). --Node (talk) 09:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Ronald Davis

Thank you for your note. His article says he lives in Arroyo Hondo, New Mexico, - if you notice on the Taos template, Arroyo Hondo is a part of Taos, Davis is a neighbor of Rumsfeld who also lives nearby. I've spoken with him, his article says he is a New Mexico artist and currently his work is internationally known...in my opinion, since he is a well known American artist and lives there he should be on the list...You should realize that in addition to Rumsfeld, R.C. Gorman, and Agnes Martin, also lived near Taos and not in Taos, Martin lived in Galisteo, New Mexico. I appreciate your very capable work here by the way. Modernist (talk) 10:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Why the spelling bigotry?

If the people of Chimayó use the accent, what is it that they are spelling? If not the CDP, then the town? Why are you insisting on denying the existence of this common spelling? Dicklyon (talk) 14:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Wheelersburg, Ohio

Nyttend, Sorry. The mistake was mine. I thought I was removing something that did not belong but I ended up restoring it. I will be more careful. Aramgar (talk) 14:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

CDPs and Hamlets in Warren County

Hello, thank you for your help with Warren County and Chestertown, NY. I got one suggestion - I think that CDPs and Hamlets should be in the same cathegory in the county template, because many of the hamlets (for example Warrensburg, NY) are also CDPs. You're lucky you're from Ohio, this town/hamlet system in New York is little bit confusing :) Thanks -- Novis-M —Preceding comment was added at 17:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for response,. So, what we gonna do with the cathegory? Where to put Warrensburg? CDP or hamlet? -- Novis-M —Preceding comment was added at 17:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's CDP but also a hamlet. That's the reason why I think there should be one cathegory "Hamlets and CPDs", as I wrote before. -- Novis-M —Preceding comment was added at 13:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know...there is only one hamlet which is CDP - Warrensburg. I think the best options are to let it as it is now, or merge hamlets and CDPs together. --Novis-M (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

City/Town

Instead of simply reverting, it seems to me it would've been just a tad more polite to follow up on my discussion on the talk pages of those articles. You provide no justification for your reverts: if you do, I'll certainly change it back to "city", but in the absence of that, there is no "legal" designation for either Pocomoke City or Ocean City being either a town or a city under Maryland law, as far as I'm aware. What they call themselves (absent a law to that effect) is certainly not dispositive of what they are. Pilch62 (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to have a civil discussion with you about this issue, but if you revert my changes one more time, I'm going to be forced to report you for violating the 3 revert rule. Pilch62 (talk) 12:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I've raised the issue here. Pilch62 (talk) 12:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Rio Verde, Arizona

Hey, cowboy, slow down, please. I have the sources and will enter them. Thanks. Rosspz (talk) 00:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)rosspz

Lafayette

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. Thank you.
Nyttend (talk) 04:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Nyttend, Every one of your many Lafayette page edits were incorrect and time wasting. Please don't make changes before you do some minor checking on General Lafayette linked page which has several directly related references that are too numerous to place on each Lafayette page. Thanks.

Niles' Weekly Register, BALTIMORE, June 26,1824; LAFAYETTE

(before Lafayette’s arrival in NYC on August 15, 1824; In an 1818, book preface to "Olive Branch", Lafayette’s close friend and protégé, Mathew Carey wrote of Nile's, "the best periodical work ever published in America")

"I have taken the liberty to strike out "the marquis" and say general LaFayette: seeing that he himself has disavowed the title, it is to be hoped the republicans of the United States will not offend him by heaping the senseless thing upon him"

--Squiretuck (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Nyttend, are you saying that Lafayette's own Memoirs, Niles Register, Levasseur's 2 1824-1825 Books (Lafayette's secretary), Idzerda's 5 Volumes Lafayette Letters and Dr. Clouquet's book (Lafayette's doctor) are all wrong and you are right about Lafayette's enemies deliberate use of the phony Marquis title to give a false impression of General Lafayette's permanent renouncement of aristocratic titles?

Levasseurs's books covering Lafayette's 1824-5 visit to all 24 states, describes of Lafayette's severe embarrassment every time someone ignorantly called him Marquis (early in his visits to coastal states, until nearly everyone got it right, thanks to the newspapers that corrected themselves at that time.)

I have read 100s of Lafayette's original letters. Have you also?

Why are you bent on ignoring these solid references, you say you want in each of your revert edits?

Your comment on my talk page; "Please do not add content without citing reliable sources." reveals your faulty logic, since every one of my cited sources are extremely reliable and either from Lafayette himself, his son, secretary, doctor or a highly regarded periodical like Niles! No reputable Lafayette scholar would consider any of these references dubious or non-credible!

Your various revert edit comments;

1) "(Rv: unreferenced, and likely but not certain) " and

2) " (It's common to refer to people this way, even if (like Edward, Duke of Windsor) :they renounce their titles: we speak of him as Edward VIII) "

betray the error in your thinking. There is an aristocracy present in Britain (e.g. House of Lords, which is still propped up by aristocrats), but not in U.S. or France (at least not to that extreme), and Lafayette was consistently a modern (old-liberal) thinker. General Lafayette was continually harassed by aristocrats for the last 3/4 of his life. He and his children did not use aristocratic titles for at least 3 generations and truly believed "All Men are Created Equal" from an early age. (SEE General Lafayette, ref. 2, pp. 392-394, Lafayette's Memoirs Vol. 2, June 19, 1790 -- which is what I clearly referenced on every page I linked.

If you have a poor understanding of Lafayette, we would be glad to help at the Talk Page.

If you really wish to help, please tell me and Dincher (See message next to your comment on my talk page) how to re-label the current Lafayette title block to;

1) Read Lafayette not "La Fayette" (this 2 word form which Lafayette NEVER used in his letters, birth certificate and grave stone and is a result of Genealogical Revisionism from the very start of this Wikipedia page)

2) the permanently renounced marquis title should not be in title block, but explained below (as it is now) that the aristocratic title was permanently renounced in June 1790 before the National Assembly.

The block should read exactly as President John Quincy Adams used in his December 1834 eulogy to the joint session of the U.S. Congress and as appears on his birth certificate; "Gilbert Motier De Lafayette" (Adams was extremely intelligent and knew how much Lafayette hated that permanently renounced "Marquis" aristocratic title.) Also, the 2-word form "Lafayette that exists now on the current Lafayette Wiki-site, was originally set up by Genealogical revisionists who know very little about Lafayette. Only the ignorant and his enemies called him Marquis" and "La Fayette" and those are good markers to spot the phonies. I would be glad to send you a copy of Lafayette's original, hand-written, birth certificate, scores of original letters and an authentic circa 1824-1825 calling card (engraved Gen. Lafayette), that was given to me during my recent tour of Lafayette's wife's family chateau, La Grange, outside Paris, by the current proprietor, all which demonstrate the correct, unrevised usage.

Please help us true Lafayette scholars find a way to fix the Wiki title block and restore Lafayette's good name to his preference, not some genealogical revisionist's choice of what his name should be historically revised to. Help us with this, and We and the true Lafayette's reputation will be extremely grateful.

It is obvious to us that if this reverting continues a 3rd time that you are engaged in censorship and blocking of the real truth behind Lafayette's name and his preference. Thanks,

--Squiretuck (talk) 09:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. I believe that Wikipedia articles need to be referenced. As far as I see it, the problem with your edits is that you provide no source that the articles are named after this man. It's not likely, but perhaps there could be someone else (a local person) after whom they were named, or they could be named for another place called Lafayette. It's not like Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania, where it's obviously named for Jim Thorpe. Do not continue adding this text without a reference for the name. Nyttend (talk) 13:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Nyttend, Thankyou for your comments. I now understand that you agree that all the references I used from the very beginning of my edits are highly credible, but there are a last few towns named Lafayette that you don't think are named to honor Lafayette. I don't think you realize how important General Lafayette's extraordinary self-sacrifice was in the founding this country and his extraordinary popularity in the U.S.

Do you really believe that General Lafayette is not the root in naming these last few towns or, (for a more appropriate example) the root in many other names, like the name of Lincoln's top spy Lafayette Baker? Just to prove the obvious point, I will contact those towns and get official clarification and report back.

More importantly, I noticed you ignored my request for help to correct the title block on the current General Lafayette page. Please, I beg you, reconsider and help us find a way to correct this to a less defamatory form and consistent with Lafayette's own name preference as Niles did (earlier) and John Quincy Adams did in December 1834 to the joint session U.S. Congress, thwarting Lafayette's many aristocratic enemies and the ignorant.

This President Adams was a man who got it right!

SEE also, other comments on my talk page. Please excuse and continue to point out my errors.

Thanks for your guidance and help.

--Squiretuck (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Harrogate-Shawanee and Harrogate

You are correct that I don't actually know what the Census Bureau has done with Harrogate. However, it is evident to me that the Census made a mistake in 2000 when they enumerated the Harrogate-Shawanee CDP instead of Harrogate.

Harrogate has been an incorporated city since 1992 or 1993 (depending on which source you trust) and was listed as a city in the Census Bureau's 1997 census of local governments.[2] However, Harrogate does not appear on Census maps for 2000; instead, the Harrogate-Shawanee CDP occupies an area where Harrogate should be. (I base that not only on the locations marked on the map on the city's website but also on experience. I've been to Harrogate several times, so I know approximately where it is.) According to Census rules, a CDP should not be created where a municipality is, so that was a mistake.

Moreover, the Census Bureau's 2002 census of local governments lists the City of Harrogate with a 2000 population of Harrogate as 4,266 (much larger than factfinder's reported population for the CDP) and gives the FIPS code for the place as 32650,[3] which is the very same code that appears in the factfinder URL for the 2000 Census data for Harrogate-Shawanee. That strongly suggests that they have quietly replaced the Harrogate-Shawanee CDP with Harrogate city. I am convinced that the higher population listed for Harrogate does not result from annexations between 2000 and 2002 -- I compared the 2002 table's data with the 2000 factfinder data for several cities known to have been annexing actively, and I did not find any discrepancies in population values. So far I have found only one other city for which the 2002 survey shows a 2000 population that does not match factfinder, and that's a population for a place that became a consolidated city-county in 2001 (so the city population is now equal to the county population).

Additionally, an official State of Tennessee source lists a 2000 Census population of 4,073 for the City of Harrogate;[4] since every other population in that source matches the Census-reported value for the municipality, I have to believe that the state knew what it was doing in reporting that particular number (but I wish it were the same as the 2000 population given in the 2002 Census tabulation). Another official state source gives the population as 4,286 and the land area as 20 square miles.[5] (For comparison, note that the CDP was reported to be just 4.2 square miles in 2000.)

Bottom line: The Harrogate-Shawanee CDP was a figment of the Census Bureau's imagination in 2000, but the City of Harrogate was real in 2000 and is real today. It is absolutely wrong to say that the City is part of the CDP, since it's apparent from the Census figures that the city is larger than the CDP. Furthermore, the dot on some maps that's labeled "Shawanee" is part of the city of Harrogate, judging from the locations of landmarks 3, 10, and 12 on the city's boundaryless city map at http://www.harrogate-tn.com/custom2.html. Anyone familiar with the actual place would consider the Wikipedia articles to be a travesty. The city is a real place of which the CDP is a part. My fix was to incorporate the content of the CDP article into the Harrogate city article, as semi-historical demographic information. --Orlady (talk) 02:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Argh - I knew those census links would not take you to the pages I was looking at, but I didn't realize they would be so utterly useless. http://harvester.census.gov/gid/gid_02/options.html?submit=Main+Search+Menu is the search page for the 2002 local gov't census and http://harvester.census.gov/gid/gid_97/simplysearch.htm is the search page for 1997. --Orlady (talk) 12:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

When I use those search pages, I ask it to display all municipalities in the state. That approach avoids unpleasant collisions with ill-designed search utilities. --Orlady (talk) 13:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

For 1997, select "All Variables" then view all 343 results. (It produces a nice sortable table.) --Orlady (talk) 13:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

This page gives choices of state name and type of government. Then hit "continue." If you chose Tennessee and Municipalities, the next page has a menu in which "All Variables" is the first item. Select that and then hit the button for "Continue". The next page will say "The search criteria you entered have produced the following number of observations - (etc.)"; hit the button for "View Results." --Orlady (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Far be it from me to understand why your computer won't display the results. Here's the key information in the Harrogate row for variable names "NAME / POLITICAL_DESCRIPTION / POPULATION_1996 / FIPS_STATE / FIPS_COUNTY / FIPS_PLACE / COUNTY_AREA_NAME / COUNTY_AREA_TYPE":

HARROGATE / CITY / 0 / 47 / 025 / [blank] / CLAIBORNE / COUNTY

Other cities that were incorporated after 1990 but before 2007 also have zeroes in the "POPULATION 1996" column, but Harrogate is the only place on the Tennessee list that had a blank in the FIPS_PLACE code.

--Orlady (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Intentional links to disambiguation pages

Hi. The reason I linked to "Franklin County (disambiguation)" instead of "Franklin County" is because of the guideline at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages: "To link to a disambiguation page (instead of a specific meaning), link to the redirect to the disambiguation page that includes the text "(disambiguation)" in the title (such as, America (disambiguation) rather than America). This helps distinguish accidental links to the disambiguation page from intentional ones." Because the link on "Franklin County, Idaho" was referring to Franklin Counties in general instead of a specific Franklin County, I made the change. Khatru2 (talk) 05:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Census source for Garland

Where is the census source that states that Garland is partially in Rockwall? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Block

If you want to block me then go ahead. I will not allow you to put false information on wikipedia. thank you for your cooperation. Dwilso 20:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You might be interested to know that the above user has requested to have you blocked at an out-of-the-way place: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.--Hjal (talk) 22:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Laramie, Wyoming

Good afternoon. I noticed you removed a few non-notable names from the list at Laramie, Wyoming. I wanted to let you know that at least two of them probably are notable - George Carr Frison and Francois M. Dickman (a redlink now, but an amabassador is notable, and is also listed at United States Ambassador to Kuwait). I have a dim view of "natives lists", so I won't revert, but thought you would want to know. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Nyttend, sources have beeen provided to you for the towns in Worcester County; your statement that they have not is an out-and-out lie. If you revert those pages again, you will be reported for intentional vandalism. Pilch62 (talk) 04:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Reversal of former names for Walnut Creek, Holmes, Ohio and Clark, Holmes, Ohio

I saw that you reverted my edits referencing former names for these townships (as you can see, I have since established a userID). The evidence is reliable but indirect, and I am not sure how to cite them. As I left on the discussion pages for the two townships, US Census records from the establishment of the townships through 1910 inclusive show the older name, and all censuses from 1920 onward show the current names for the townships. It took me quite a bit of detective work to figure this out, as I have been unable to locate ordinances or legislation producing these name changes. As an aside, I stumbled on these name changes through genealogical research where I was trying to locate an historical township name. So, how would I cite such evidence? Given the fact that I spent so much time determining this information, I felt that it was worth mentioning in a readily accessible place. Thanks! Tex2690 (talk) 19:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed that Liberty, Darke, Ohio was also reverted. The same research applies there as well. Tex2690 (talk) 21:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, my research is based upon US Census Bureau records, which I accessed through a subscription to Ancestry. Here are reports from the US Census Bureau showing the name changes: (links are to the USCB web site)

Liberty, Darke, Ohio: 1910 Census:1910 Census of Population Volume 3:Population: Reports by States Nebraska-Wyoming. Data showing "German" on page 372 (page 55 of the PDF) in the first column. 1920 Census:Fourteenth Census of the United States: State Compendia: Statistics of population occupations, agriculture, manufactures, and mines and quarries for the State, counties, and cities: Volume 34: Ohio. Data showing "Liberty" on page 15 (page 15 of the PDF). Note that Liberty is marked with footnote 6, which indicates that Liberty changed its name from German "since 1910".

Clark, Holmes, Ohio: 1910 Census: Same link as for Liberty, Darke, Ohio -- Data showing "German" on page 376 (page 59 of the PDF) in the first column. 1920 Census: Same link as above. Data showing "Clark" on page 17 (page 17 of the PDF). Note that Clark is marked with footnote 10, which indicates that Clark changed its name from German "since 1910".

Walnut Creek, Holmes, Ohio: I have discovered that there is a typo in the Ancestry lookup data listing the town as Walnut, even though the handwritten notation on the actual census pages reads Walnut Creek. I will contact Ancestry to have them correct their data. Sorry for the inaccuracy with this one. Tex2690 (talk) 09:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry 'bout the confusion. When you asked for additional sources, I stepped away from the Ancestry site because it requires a subscription, and went and pulled the US Census publications from the USCB website. So, my earlier research was indirect, but I did direct research once you asked for sources. This, of course, led to my discovery of the mistake at Ancestry and is a perfect highlight of the dangers of indirect research. I will re-add the text for Liberty and Clark later today using your suggestions. I appreciate the help! Tex2690 (talk) 16:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ohio geostubs

Hi Nyttend - to be honest, my knowledge of Ohio's geography is minimal enough that the discussion did little other than confuse me. I think that the split is how you describe it, but you'd probably be better to confirm with Caerwine that that is what is envisaged (you two seem to have ended up more or less agreeing on the best boundaries for the split during the discussion anyway, as far as I can tell). Grutness...wha? 00:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I originally proposed only moving Mahoning, Stark, Trumbull, and Wayne to Northeast Ohio, but after the various Census Bureau *SA's were brought up, it was decided to also move Carroll and Columbiana to Northeast Ohio. It was also decided that moving Ashland from Northwest Ohio to Northeast Ohio was probably a good idea. I'll leave it you to decide whether to move Ashland, but the six counties of Carroll, Columbiana, Mahoning, Stark, Trumbull, and Wayne definitely go to Northeast Ohio. Caerwine Caer’s whines 23:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

A bit belated, but well deserved thank you for your help with what were no doubt a bunch of tedious edits:

		The Stub Sorting Award
		For helping to realign the counties of Ohio into new stub categories for the geography and school stubs. Caerwine Caer’s whines 01:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you can help Dawoodabro ?

I see you recently resolved the CSD/copyvio concern for Jam Nizamuddin II which was created by User:Dawoodabro. Unfortunately this user appears to be heading for a train wreck at high speed. Please see my WQA here[6] and perhaps you can help or suggest someone qualified to help this user? Thanks. -- Low Sea (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

CA counties.

Thanks, I didn't know. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: St. Louis County Road 7

Thanks for the note. I'll be happy to do the honors on the merge, although probably not until tomorrow. -- Kéiryn ^talk 14:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Cherokee, Iowa

I see from your many posts on here that you have a type of fascination of Cherokee county. From the comments on Washta, Iowa (and from the many other comments listed), you seem to have a past history of this type of unacceptable behavior. I would like to ask you one more time to cease, or I will have to take this up the ranks of Wikipedia. I have an entire page of examples here for evidence, so please, knock it off. JohnLease (talk) 14:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Aldine, Texas

AFAIK parts of Aldine are within the Houston city limits and parts are not... so what to do? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The Gibson County template

I really think you're being a bit too protective about this template. There's no legitimate reason why every county template has to have the same format and content. Different counties are different. Don't worry about it so much. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 15:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Dmitri

Did you even look at the logs?--CyberGhostface (talk) 16:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

vandal fighting is a thankless job

... but there's always someone willing to point out your mistakes. Seriously, it was obviously a bunch of kids having a good old time vandalizing WP at school. I think I wasted enough of my time trying to properly warn them before I submitted my AIV's. My apologies for getting mixed up fighting 4 IP vandals at once. --JaGa (talk) 12:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Sorry if I sounded harsh, but that episode with the IP kids stressed me out - it takes so much effort just to control a group of 3 or 4 kids goofing off somewhere in a study hall in England, and then I get reprimanded on my procedures... Well, I'm gonna go read a book or something, I need a break. I hope there are no hard feelings. --JaGa (talk) 12:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maps

Please don't change the maps to pushpins: the current maps show the distinct location of the community in relation to other communities, and they're used nationwide. They're made for a reason. We could easily have two maps, adding a separate nationwide pushpin map, but I don't know how to do that; could you add those? Nyttend (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no policy on which map to use. I've found the pushpin map in many articles. It provides context for readers unfamiliar with the U.S. I think the main reason it isn't used more is that the Settlement template most people use doesn't provide for the pushpin map. I didn't change many cities. I will see if I can implement your idea.Asher196 (talk) 15:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I implemented your idea in the Midland, Michigan article. Take a look and let me know what you think.Asher196 (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Taos County, New Mexico

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by "false precision". I was only giving the number calculated by dividing the official Census Bureau numbers for population by their official land area, i.e., dividing 29,979 by 5,706.182287 km², accurate to four decimal places rounded. [7] Backspace (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Further on this point: Actually, I was meaning to ask you, or somebody here, how those population density calculation worked in the infoboxes. This particular number got converted into density per square mile and got lopped off to a rounded value of 14. Shouldn't there be more precision when a more precise km² value is entered or vice versa? Backspace (talk) 02:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

William Charles Bonaparte-Wyse

Thanks for your note about William Charles Bonaparte-Wyse. When I marked it db-empty, it only had the text: "Captain William Charles Bonaparte-Wyse (20 January 1826 - 3 December 1892) was an Irish soldier and poet." Sure, it wasn't completely empty, but there really was not enough content or context for it to be an article. Maybe a db-reason would have been better. Anyway, I see it's got some real content now (although more on notability would be desirable). peterl (talk) 00:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: Rutland, Ohio

No I do not. It seems an oversighter got to the edit promptly! Thank goodness.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 18:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

St. Anthony page moves

I have some issue with some of your recent page moves; I understand the switching "Saint" to "St." for standardization purposes, but I'm not sure dropping the Village from the page title was a good decision, since it's how the city officially names itself and how it differentiates itself from other historical St. Anthonys in Hennepin County (Minneapolis annexed a St. Anthony that was different a long time ago, and that's in Hennepin County as well). matt91486 (talk) 15:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

At the same time, however, you could look at all the pictures of city signage on the page, and the name of the local high school. I'm not sure the census should always be the final arbiter of place names. matt91486 (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

And just to say, I clearly don't have anywhere near the experience with US place names and stuff as you, so I won't go around pushing you anymore on the move, don't worry; it just caught my eye funnily when my watch page told me about the redirect, so I wanted to investigate. matt91486 (talk) 15:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I know, haha, I just wanted to make sure you knew I didn't have too much invested into it and wasn't going to make it into a big thing. matt91486 (talk) 16:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Virginia POs

Just a heads-up; the town you have listed as "DeLaplane" is, as far as I'm aware, the same as Delaplane, Virginia, which does have an article. As it happens, I've never seen it with the L or the P capitalized. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 14:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

None that jump out at me - if I catch another next time I look at it, I'll let you know. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 17:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

You're correct Albert. Delaplane is always spelled as thus, with no capitals other than the initial D.MarmadukePercy (talk) 17:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Spill U.S. Band

How does a person living in Ohio decide that a band in Texas (or it's members) are not noteable? Did you read the additional edits? Keith Reber, Spill's drummer, went on to play bass for A Dozen Furies who were a signed band (to Maverick, I believe. Former members of the band Unloco). Read WP:Music again. This qualifies.

PD stamps

Over at commons we've assembled commons:Stamps/Public_domain, a handy list of PD status for country's stamps that we know about; also check out commons:Category:German Democratic Republic stamps for the rather hefty extant collection of GDR stamp images. I would characterize the extra material in the two-stamp image as too trivial to be copyrightable. (It's actually on my own todo list to scan those two stamps at high magnification so the design error is more readily visible.) Stan (talk) 00:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in the APS, but never thought of using StampStore images! Scanning things oneself gives more control over the details, but it does take longer... Stan (talk) 19:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced estimates?

Please justify reverting me and removing estimates that I had added references for (Yuma County, Arizona, Yavapai County, Arizona, and Santa Cruz County, Arizona). If you don't want unreferenced estimates, do you have a justification for removing REFERENCED estimates? --Node (talk) 08:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Daisy Turner

Daisy Turner is more notable than the other "notables" It is not necessary for notability that there be a Wikipedia page on her. Should I start a stub to satisfy you? There is something else going on here. What is it??Hmose (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

While we're at it, did you notice that there is no article about Dean Mathey, who is a "notable" on the Grafton, Vermont page where you removed Daisy Turner for lack of notability. Said we had to write an article. She was already on another page as is Dean Mathey. Why do you not remove Dean Mathey and demonstrate your evenhandedness? Or IS there some sort of bias here?? Same with this slavery thing. At least one former slave lived in Grafton. The town is proud of the Turner family. It is ok for Alex Turner (slave) to be the title of an article in Wikipedia but we cannot let that word appear the Grafton, Vermont page? Is this merely careless editing or is this a serious ethical matter. What are we to think?Hmose (talk) 19:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I apologize about un-archiving. VERY careless of me. Thank you for straightening me out. And for your response on other matters.Hmose (talk) 21:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 02:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts on paper townships

I'm digesting all of the information provided regarding the township debate on User_Talk:Omnedon. With respect to your question on paper townships, like thouse in Ohio, I would not object to applying that in general terms as it applies to providing a history of township evolution. How do you envision applying something like that to Iowa. As I understand the Ohio situation, the township previously existed as a distinct entity. In Iowa, the city-township didn't exist prior to creation of the city. Also, Wayne Township, Montgomery County, Ohio mentioned in paper townships currently redirects to the Huber Heights, Ohio city that replaced it. That redirect seems to bolster my argument that any city-township issues can be just as easily discussed in the body of the main city article. Most of the paper townships are listed in Category:Defunct townships in Ohio. Do you have any examples of paper townships that still exist, but have no functioning government, with their own articles?Dcmacnut (talk) 00:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Help

hi i was just wondering if you could do something for me. since you are an admin u can block accounts well while at school i heard people saying that they are screwing up pages particularly the portage wisconsin page so i was wondering if you could keep a watch on that page and take action if neccisary thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.187.42.5 (talk) 03:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for award

Thanks for the edit award. I figure in only another six years I might catch up to you! Unless, of course, you continue to edit. Then it might take a little longer!  :) Student7 (talk) 00:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Advertising

Having a bit of a problem with what appears to me to be blatant advertising. I noticed that you have looked at the List of Pepsi spokespersons for example. The list seems to me to be gratuitous. I am familiar with business writing. This isn't it IMO. While business listings aren't beyond touting their successful advertising, listing everybody would seem preposterous. I would appreciate your opinion.

This sort of thing is getting out of hand for Businesses and Resorts. Oddly enough, Malls have strict rules against listing tenants, which I found gratifying. So at least one Project is trying to control gratuitous lists and promotion. Student7 (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Iowa paper townships

So your argument would be in favor of simply redirecting the "city of ____ township" articles. I tend to agree that it seems unnecessary to make specific mention of a township or other subdivision organization that doesn't literally exist. The city is by its very nature a subdivision of the county, but is different from the other cities/places in the county in that the Census Bureau breaks out census stats for that city by itself, but not for the other smaller cities. Given all the work User:Omnedon did to the maps and articles, I'm inclined to allow for some mention of it just so that work isn't wasted. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to do it. I'll wait to hear back from him, I suppose. Thanks for all the input.Dcmacnut (talk) 01:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

See Taos, New Mexico

I've responded to your edit change and your brief rationale on the Taos, New Mexico Discussion page.

24.130.9.210 (talk) 02:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

British 5 star officers category

Greetings. I noticed that you recently deleted Category:British 5 star officers on the basis that it was "db-empty"[8]. However, less that 12 hours before, the category contained Category:British Field Marshals[9], Category:Marshals of the Royal Air Force[10] and Category:Royal Navy admirals of the fleet[11]. I understand that there is an argument that the aforementioned categories of British officers are not considered to be 5-star officers (which I do not agree with) but my concern here is that as per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion the category you deleted had not been empty for more than four days and as such this was an out of process deletion. I was regretable that the category was emptied by User:Nobunaga24; I would have preferred this disagreement to be dealt with at WP:CFD. Perhaps you might reinstate the category and nominate it at WP:CFD if you see fit? Greenshed (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School

Hi, Nyttend. The nominator closed the AfD discussion by withdrawing: [12]. I think all three middle schools in the district should get merged into Palo Alto Unified School District. I wanted to get your thoughts on this matter, both the early closure of the discussion and the outcome for these three articles. Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 22:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I may propose the merger of the three schools; I need to look the articles over again. Darkspots (talk) 23:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

After consideration, I have in fact proposed a merger of the articles for the three middle schools of the Palo Alto Unified School District into the main article for the district. Discussion is here. I'm notifying everyone who was involved in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School. Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Coordinate Template

Hi, you sent me a message and said that the mapit template was required and I have found nothing that said it is required in the link you sent me. That page says "Although it is often included as a header or in the infobox, absolute positioning coordinates (eg. template:coor dms) can be included here." if this is not true than please explain why they are required, or I am going to remove the redundant coordinates again. Thanks--CPacker (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way to just have it at the bottom and not at the very top right? I am not trying to cause an edit war but I just feel that having the coordinates so many times in an article is not nessecary. You added them back saying that they are required even the guideline page states "...there are no requirements to follow it in editing...".--CPacker (talk) 23:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thats cool im not trying to tell you you were wrong or anything just trying to figure out what you were saying because you said it was required. Thanks for your help with the Oklahoma templates. Is there a website you use to find out what communities are unincorporated communities because there are some more communities in wagoner county such as Toppers, Rocky Point, Yonkers, and Neodesha that are not on wikipedia nor can I find alot of info on the internet but I know that they are there. Thanks--CPacker (talk) 23:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok will do thanks for the help--CPacker (talk) 04:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Tulsa in Rogers County

Hmmm.... I didn't see that before. Humorously, 4 people from Tulsa live in Rogers County... hmmm... so, maybe one house? I question if the source made some mistake or if it's a technicality issue and the city limits of Tulsa don't actually extend into Rogers County. My print maps of Tulsa have the city limits stopping at the Rogers County line, as do the online versions. Even if it's true, is a count of 4 people really enough to say Tulsa is a city in Rogers county? Okiefromokla ^complaints 01:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Douglas County, Kansas

Hello, I was wondering if you could look into the topic Douglas County Pollution in the article. I think it needs cleaning up and better sources for the information so I figured I'd ask. Thanks. Bhall87 (talk) 15:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sinkhole de Mayo

Thanks for the work on Daisetta, Texas. I created Sinkhole de Mayo as a redirect, as I expect people will try to find it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 15:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Smith County, Texas

What is the line of demarcation between a city and a town in {{Smith County, Texas}}? It's my understanding that in Texas there is no legal difference, but I could be wrong.

On an unrelated matter, Lindale's mayor passed away over the weekend. If you happen to be around when a new mayor is appointed or elected, can you update the article? Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

re: standard practice. I'm just wondering how you tell one from the other in this particular county. Is it how the town/city styles itself? It it by a certain size? Is it by the presence/absence of a city charter? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I can't be sure without further research, but the census bureau appears to be deferring to the local city as to whether to call it a town or city. I guess if it wanted to, Houston could be a town instead of a city. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Oneida, Tennessee

Can you please explain what is meant by the breakdown in the infobox in this article about the "Area" field. The "Area" field is broken down into three separate parts: one saying total area 26.7 km², the second titled "Land" saying 26.3 km² and the last titled "Water" saying 0.4 km². What is the reason dividing the total area into land and water? What constitutes the "Water" portion? Is this includes lakes, ponds etc? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 03:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU

Hello again. The Highly Active Users project has gone through a complete revamping per popular demand. We believe this new format will make it easier for new editors to find assistance. However, with the new format, I must again ask you to verify your information on this page. I attempted to translate the data from the old version to the new, but with the extensive changes, I may have made some errors. Thanks again. Useight (talk) 04:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I have created a key on the page to help describe the various columns. There is also a note above the tables stating that the checkmarks indicate areas in which a particular editor considers themselves highly-experienced and knowledgeable. Useight (talk) 15:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking for a few, good people

Dear Sir, my name is Robert Murphy and I've created a mediawiki site at reformedword.org to be a Moral Compendium of Knowledge and a Linguistic Tool for Studying God's Word. It is Presbyterian and Reformed. I've created a lot of content myself, but am looking for help. I see you can read Greek and Hebrew, and I've got the entire Greek NT and LXX up, as well as the Vulgate and Tanakh. I can see you're a busy man, so I'm not asking for anything other than that you might just take a look. Sorry to bug you if you're not interested. --Aquatiki (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hilo

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WikiProject Ohio Newsletter

Issue II - May 2008

From the editor: Here's Issue II of the project newsletter. We're trying to decide if this is sinking or floating. If you would like to contribute to next month's newsletter please jump right in at the News Desk! Have a great May. The Ohio Portal The maintainers of the Ohio Portal are looking to get it to featured status. They would like to ask all project members to help improve it any way they can. What needs to be done most is the supplying of selected articles and images. Selected Article: Indian Head Rock There is a eight ton rock in Ohio that was removed from the Ohio River. This rock is known as the Indian Head Rock Dating back to the early 1800’s, this rock was seen sticking out of the Ohio River and used as a navigational mark for barges along the river. The names of citizens from the town of Portsmouth, Ohio are carved into the rock from the late nineteenth a early twentieth centuries. Some of the names were of well known families from Ohio. They would swim out to the rock, have their picture taken with it or simply carve their names into it. With the advent of the Locks and Dams along the Ohio River, the rock eventually was submerged, but the legend lived on. A gentleman from Ironton, Ohio located the rock after searching a very long time for it, and he and a crew of scuba divers recovered the rock and took it to the shore to be donated to Ohio for historical value. After hearing the news about the rock being removed, Kentucky introduced legislation against the removal of the rock. They also want the diver who found it to be prosecuted for removing the rock. Kentucky owns the greatest part of the land the river runs on. Even the Army Corp. of Engineers got involved as to how to move the rock without damaging it. Kentucky wants to have it returned to the river. Billy Massie Article Assessment Reedy Bot and ShepBot are currently hard at work tagging all of the Ohio articles. We may need to have an assessment drive when the bots are finished. Think of it as a late spring cleaning. Please note your opinions on the project talkpage if you would be interested in helping! Over 10,000 articles have been tagged with {{OH-Project}} Article Achievements New Featured and Good articles Ohio was listed as a Good Article nominee; the result of the nomination was Not listed. Please help get Ohio to GA status! Port Columbus International Airport was listed as a Good Article. WikiProject Ohio Barnstar of Merit If you know of a Wikipedian who has contributed a lot of effort to Ohio articles feel free to award the new Ohio Barnstar of Merit by placing the following code on their user talkpage. {{subst:The Ohio Barnstar of Merit|message}} Contributors Stepshep & Billy Massie

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Toadstool casserole

Someone (you?) asked on the refdesk a little later and I explained there, but anyway. I guess it shows I'm getting old (sigh!). It is (used to be) a phrase used to indicate that someone "accidentally" caused severe bodily harm or more often the death of someone without definite proof. E.g. if a beautiful lady married a rich old guy and he died there'd be a rumor that she "served him toadstool casserole" i.e. caused his death but couldn't be charged with any crime. The term originated with villagers gathering mushrooms in fields and forests. Depending on their skills in identifying poisonous varieties (commonly referred to as toadstools) the resulting dish could be unhealthy or lethal. Apparently the diners did not have any warning of impeding danger from the taste of the dish. (Don't try this at home!) From there a myth developed of wives cooking dinner containing toadstools to get rid of their husbands. (A similar myth exists regarding the use of arsenic.) Presumably if questioned, they could always claim it was an accident. I used it in the post to indicate that the locals could use deceit and tricks to disrupt the supplies of the British Army. For this tactic to come into play, though, the locals would have to have reason to hate the British (more that their current government) and be used to lifestyle with a high degree of self-reliance. An ethnically fractured population is also less likely to take such measures, because they wouldn't be sure how their neighbors would react and might look forward to seeing their neighbors suffer at the hands of their enemies, even at the cost of suffering themselves (odd tastes we humans can develop). Hope this helps. Lisa4edit (talk) 04:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Help needed

Hello, are you an admin online right now? --S.dedalus (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Worrying vandalism to suicide We need someone to call the Ilford Police: 020 8478 1123. Can you? --S.dedalus (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

As you can see from the discussion, neither me nor the only other person around could get through. --S.dedalus (talk) 03:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I asked him. Thanks! --S.dedalus (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks like he's loged off though. hmmm --S.dedalus (talk) 03:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Image for userboxes

I think the images Image:CGT Spain logo.png, Image:CNT black cat logo.png and Image:AIT logo.jpg cannot be used in userboxes. But I am not sure of it and want a second opinion. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 04:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, why you are calling userboxes infobox. Userboxes are present in user pages to decorate or to give information about a specific user and infobox are needed in article mainspace to summarize the subject matter of the article. You will find the difference in Help:Infobox and WP:Userbox.

The definition of infobox:

An infobox on Wikipedia is a consistently-formatted table which is present in articles with a common subject to provide summary information consistently between articles or improve navigation to closely related articles in that subject.

The definition of userbox:

A userbox is a small colored box designed to appear on a Wikipedian's user page as a notice about the user.

The main difference is that userbox is a box used in userpages and infobox is a table used in article mainspace. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Your edit of Corydon, Iowa

Your edit summary was: "aren't these the same railroad?"

Simply put, if you don't know, please refrain from reverting an edit by someone who does. In fact, the CB&Q ended service over the line to Corydon in 1966. The Burlington Northern merger was in 1970. Therefore, it is more correct to refer to the railroad as the CB&Q.

Thank you. Justus R (talk) 21:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:FootnotesSmall

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:FootnotesSmall. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rockfang (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Geneva College

It's cool. I know its unsourced, and I'm not exactly a novice at Wikipedia, so I'll take the blame for that. The only sources I know of that would be adequate would the the Beaver County Times website, but articles older than 14 days require a paid account to access them online. If you know anyone with an online account with the Times, we can readd the section and add the necessary sources. Thanks! Jgera5 (talk) 20:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Parkersburg

I realize there was some controversy in the first day, but now that the picture is more clear, the sources agree on five deaths in Parkersburg and two in New Hartford. I have placed two citations from sources in Iowa (Des Moines Register and KWWL TV). KWWL's newer report does increase its number from the originally cited story, and that may have been a source of confusion in this matter.

In addition, a link is placed for the tornado intensity rating from the National Weather Service so that it is no longer unsourced in the article.

Please check out the updated sources before reverting or editing the factual information.

It might be better to discuss this in the Talk:Parkersburg, Iowa page rather than here, so that anyone else with something to say about it would have a chance to discuss. I will be watching that page for future discussion.

Thank you. Justus R (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the cleanup on Forest Lakes, Arizona. It looks a lot .. well .. cleaner. Arkyan 22:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

pay attention

The wikipedia article on Crane Lake Twp states it organized in 2002. Crane Lake cdp is not organized. I can say with all certainty, that I have been in both, and have been a resident of St. Louis County.--K3vin (talk) 08:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Minnesota geographic names are simple yet confusing. There are only two recognized types of municipalities. Townships or cities. No villages, burroughs, hamlets or whatnot. It gets confusing because townships call themselves "towns" sometime. Crane Lake Township recently organized its government so it would have a local voice. The county seat is a three hour drive, at 137 miles. To murk matters more, there has been a wide spot in the road called Crane Lake with a hotel cafe and bait shop that is "the community" Then the lake itself. all sharing the name. I may end up suggesting some sort of disambiguation for the like, since Crane Lake the body of water is an international body of water, and Crane Lake the Community, which of course is within the township is a entry port to the us. And the Township boundary extends beyond the historic congressional township boundary. The link in my update was the township website, that clarified it is less than 6 years old. http://cranelaketwp.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by K3vin (talk • contribs) 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC) just goes to show even with my best of intentions, I still got mired up with the community of Crane Lake and the township, I of course meant to, but I thought I tested the link out too. But any way. bygones. But I may as well let you know, I have a fascination of small super rural townships, and will strive to be more careful when I make the changes so as not to make the extra effort create mnore work for others. --K3vin (talk) 17:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Fine.

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Delete my article then. About the school, which is BORING.

Im sorry i couldnt do it all on my own I just dont have enough info, i tried to put a request in but...i couldnt for some reason.

The reason I wanted to make an article about it was because it has recently been demolished and rebuilt and is a big part of Newcastle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleanizzle (talk • contribs) 20:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Jerel McNeal

• Please note this article has been recreated immediately after you deleted it. Thank you. Paste (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Citation Needed

Im wondering why there has again been a citation needed box on the Milford, Iowa page after a citation was in fact added, but then deleted along with much of the information on the page and then ruled unverifiable. I have been working for a while on it and was still working on it when the page recieved the second message, and if my references were cited, why did I waste 2 hours out of my life to type up information and then get an edit error saying that the content was ruled unverifiable before I added my new information? (which was then deleted). warby07-644-2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warby07-644-2010 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

No.

No. As a matter of fact, it is not written word for word and did not brake the copy write laws. This is a 427 page book and the information I had posted on there was scattered across the first 100 pages. I am now wondering how you can "guess" if I broke the copy write laws, and do this all because of a guess. what if that guess happened to be wrong? did you honestly think of that? I really doubt you own this book, because if you did you would know that I did not do this. Be my guest and buy it. It is sold in the Milford Memorial Library. I am not sure if you can get it online, but I would encourage you to look it up. I did not brake any laws. I was following the rules. And a lot of information wasted because of the guess you made. If I had been braking any laws and copying it out of the book I would not be taking the time to write this to you. I simply wanted to put some information on my home town because I was aware that I could post information on here and the Milford cite was lacking information. I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop posting these and let me finish, citing my work and all correctly like I have been for the past 5 hours. Thank you, I appreciate you listening to my concern. -warby07-644-2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warby07-644-2010 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank You.

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Ok

Yes, I will add page numbers. Thanks for the advice! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warby07-644-2010 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Beau Billingslea

Beau Billingslea was not born in Aguila, ask him, see what he says. . .

Deletion

Hi there, you recently deleted Boogey_Ball saying it was not notable [13] If you do a quick and simple google search you will find that it is for example hasbro pdf and in their list of products e.t.c. I dont mean to jump on you but please try to research before using the big red button. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 12:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Closing AfDs

Hi Nyttend, if you are interested, the AfD closure procedure is here: WP:Deletion process#Articles for Deletion page. Thanks for your diligence, Marasmusine (talk) 12:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Merely deleting it was a bit generous.

Every few months, some person in this "Acmar" company comes up with a new username and reposts a pile of spam articles about it.

Until today. His activities will be curtailed by my driving stakes through ("salting") these articles. The process is half explained here; what you do is to type http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Title_of_repeatedly_posted_crap_article&action=protect on your command line. (Don't do this with all articles you delete; just those people will be sick of whackamoling.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Aripeka, Florida

As you can probably tell by the blue link, Aripeka, Florida has an article now, although it could use some work. ----DanTD (talk) 00:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Sioux Center

Once again you have discouraged me from editing Wikipedia articles. You are cavalier with your assumptions of importance, utrivia and your own expertise. Delete on, brave warrior, delete on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valecito (talk • contribs) 04:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU

Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Subsandbox

...it is? Crap. I meant it to be on my sandbox. Thanks for letting me know.

It's been one of those days... --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

SD of Chapel Hill-Carrboro Chamber of Commerce

This was deleted so quickly I was still writing it. How do I appeal? I think I should be given more than a few minutes to write. Hippo (talk) 01:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Question on your reverts of my Brattleboro, Vermont additions

I understand questioning the addition of iBrattleboro to the media section, since it is "citizen journalism" plus discussion, and not a newspaper or radio station. But what's wrong with my accurate listing of radio stations???? User:75.68.11.214 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks-Town of Fremont-Waupaca County, Wisconsin

Thanks for what you can do with the town of Fremont article.There were some bots that had done the updating, of these articles, etc.We all tried to make Wikipedia better. Be encourage and thank you-RFD (talk) 12:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Wisconsin Barnstar

		The WikiProject Wisconsin Barnstar
		Thank you for your work with the Wisconsin WikiProject especially with the geography article.RFD (talk) 12:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohkay Owingeh

IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY YOU WILL READ THAT ON THE Ohkay Owingeh PAGE that I bolded the part where it says Ohkay Owingeh WAS FORMELY KNOWN as San Juan Pueblo they are the same places they changed the name back to its pre-spanish name if you don't believe me I WILL SEND PROOF FROM THEIR WEBSITE IT WILL SAY FOrMERLY KNOWN AS SAN JUAN PUEBLO. Please quit changing what I have done. I would READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE CHANGING IT. Diamond Joe Quimby (talk) 03:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the merge request for San Juan to Ohkay Owingeh, but for some reason can't create the talk page to discuss it, so I thought I'd post here. I also posted this on Diamond Joe's talk page. I did some research, and according to the 2007 U.S. Census Boundary Files, San Juan is now Ohkay Owingeh. The Census Designated Place listed in the 2000 files has been renamed Ohkay Owingeh in the 2007 version. The files are available here. Also, San Juan Pueblo no longer appears as a named place by the US Geographical Survey's Board on Geographic Names. The census puts out an official boundary/geography change document, but the change from San Juan to Ohkay Owingeh is not listed in the current version. Even though google maps still lists it as San Juan seems irrelevant to me, since Google probably doesn't update their maps as quickly as other sources. It would be the same as if a change occurred in 2007, but you were using a 2003 atlas that didn't reflect the change. Diamond Joe's wholesale redirect wasn't productive, I'll admit, since it eliminated a lot of good information from the San Juan article. However, I don't seen an issue with merging the articles or some other renaming. Enough evidence is out there, from news reports on the name change to the 2007 boundary files to the USGS findings that support the name change.Dcmacnut (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. I wish more editors would research why and how a name change took place rather than just reacting as a local who says "that's not right." As far as my "2003 atlas" comment, I was trying to make an analogy about outdated maps, i.e. just because Google Maps hasn't updated their database to change the name of San Juan doesn't mean the change didn't take place. As far as you having trouble with Census pages, the links I sent aren't direct links to a specific state. It's a search page. On the main boundary change page, you just pick a state from the drop-down menu to find the current changes in effect. It should work for you, and could prove a useful source for you. The Census does an annual Boundary and Annexation Survey inquiring of local governments any name changes, boundary changes, annexations so they have the most recent data. This data ensures accuracy when they do annual population estimates and helps prepare for the next decennial census. Cheers.Dcmacnut (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

For more on Diamond Joe Quimby (talk · contribs) (aka Thomasalazar, BradlyRM, EVHS (NNYDL), Evhs00, Martinez07, PoliticianTexas, and AlbuCrazy‎, plus 20+ IPs) see: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Diamond Joe Quimby - Thanks ~ WikiDon (talk) 10:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Templates or articles?

I added them to the templates first, then wrote the articles for the towns off of said template. As for being linked in the coun ty articles, I haven't done that yet. It shouldn't be too hard, though, as I'm really only focusing on Putnam and Nicholas Counties. Webster, Hardy, and Cabell will be next.

Also, don't be shy about making any changes as neccesary. I'm just trying to get some stubs created before the automated bot does them in the future. y'am'can (wtf?) 11:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Most of the info is from the WVDOT maps. They will be sourced from those maps in the next round of article development (right now is stub creation, next is expansion, adding images, etc.). Don't worry, I've been at this for some time (3 years, 1.5 as an admin) and I know a thing or two about how to successfully do a stub/expansion project.

Cheers and thanks for the work on geo articles in the area. y'am'can (wtf?) 16:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Some images, but not all. I can get some friends to get a few of them for me (hopefully). Some of the river articles feature images taken of said rivers from these towns, so that'll be a start. y'am'can (wtf?) 19:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Orphans

Thanks for your comments! I've responded on my talk page (so as to keep the discussion in one place). -- Avocado (talk) 01:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, are you aware of this list? -- Avocado (talk) 20:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you find it useful for me to also keep a list of non-Maine articles like Bibb City, Georgia that are not orphaned but don't have templates? -- Avocado (talk) 21:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: the Maine subpage: have a ball! -- Avocado (talk) 18:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Rusk County

I'm new at this, so I'm not exactly sure how to respond to your message. I hope this works...

Basically, the Rusk County template lists "towns" like Leverett's Chapel and Price, but these towns are listed (elsewhere in wikipedia) as unincorporated communities... It seems like they should be listed as either one or the other?

Also, please teach me the correct format for responding to messages on my talk page... Willyrogers (talk) 19:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE: in "be bold" fashion, I just updated the template to show what I mean... please let me know if this works.Willyrogers (talk) 19:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Cairo

Sorry about that. Thanks for fixing my mess. :) §hep • ¡Talk to me! 05:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

places in Stark County, Ohio

Thank you for adding the map to Cairo, Stark County, Ohio. I see that you have access to Ohio Atlas & Gazetteer, which you added as a reference to the article. I have edited some other Stark County stub articles, including North Industry, Ohio, Waco, Ohio and Avondale, Stark County, Ohio. If you could take a look at these articles and perhaps add the name of the township or townships in which these places are located, that would be an improvement for the article. --Eastmain (talk) 06:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Move

Hi, can you please move List of stamps of Japan showing birds to Bird fauna of Japan on postage stamps? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

That is not the naming convention, not the name he moved it from. the proper name is List of birds on stamps of Japan per all other similar articles and I moved it back to the regular name to which I had moved it from another oddball name some time ago. Thanks. ww2censor (talk) 04:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I was rather confused by this comment, having read the discussion on O.C.'s talk page and agreeing that O.C.'s preferred title wasn't correct; thanks for correcting the issue. Nyttend (talk) 04:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Marengo, Iowa help

As you may have seen, I'm very new to Wikipedia editing. I guess I'm a slow learner or can't find the correct way to enter the data on the page. Therefore I could use some help and/or more direct feedback on how to do this correctly.

Citation needed for State Track Championship - the link is www.iahsaa.org/track/Archives/tr_state_team_champs_ru_coach.pdf It lists the points, but not the first place in six events. I know that because I was on the team. The online archives only go back to 1999.

Citation needed for Library - I had added a link to the library's website, which discusses the Carnegie information.

Thanks, RickH86 (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

County templates for New Hampshire

Hi Nyttend, I see you're setting up templates for all the counties in New Hampshire. They look good. Are you using any criteria for which unincorporated communities get included in the template? For instance, template:Carroll County, New Hampshire lists Melvin Village, New Hampshire, but there are other ones as well, such as Redstone, New Hampshire. Would it be a problem if I assigned all articles about NH unincorporated communities to their appropriate county template? See you, --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Population estimates for New Hampshire communities

Hi again -- In the future, please do not remove the population estimates that are from the NH Office of Energy and Planning. The office is the US Census Bureau state affiliate, and their published estimates are entirely appropriate for inclusion. Thanks. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Coos County, New Hampshire

Hello a third time, I've created a template for Coos County, New Hampshire. Would you mind taking a look at it? Also, since your edits to the towns in the other nine counties of New Hampshire were done so quickly, shall I leave it to you to add the box and whatever other changes you need to make to each of the Coos County communities? Thanks, --Ken Gallager (talk) 18:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The municipal pages look great. I'm always amazed at how quickly you can get through them. Following up on two discussion points:

1. We (and just about everybody in New Hampshire) are using the term "village" merely as it's used on its Wikipedia page: just a generic clustered settlement. There are "village districts" in New Hampshire, but they're not the same as how most people, even in New Hampshire, use the term "village". Village districts are simply some sort of municipal corporation set up to provide one or more service, such as water, or sewer, or fire protection. Very often they equate more to a housing development than to a "village". Just thinking of how "village" has been used so far in Wikipedia New Hampshire, it can apply to the main settlement in the town (Hopkinton village), a place with its own zip code (Elkins, New Hampshire), a place that has its own train station (Lakeport, New Hampshire), a registered historic district (Chesham, New Hampshire), or who knows what (Poocham, New Hampshire).

2. The names of the townships are used in New Hampshire the way they're listed in the template. State government, county government, and members of the public call the place "Odell", for example, not "Odell Township". It means that even those of us who know the state well are never quite sure whether a minor civil division is incorporated or not, and we have to double-check. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

And the ones with "Grant" or "Location", etc., in their names are called that way ("X Grant", "Y Location"). Looked at one way, it doesn't seem to make sense that "Grant" or "Location" get into the names but "Township" doesn't, but people in New Hampshire consider all of the unincorporated minor civil divisions to be "townships" and don't use that name in any of them. Got that? :-) --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Karen Arthur

This is in regards to your undo of Karen Arthur from list of notable residents in Springfield Vermont. Her place of residence is verifiable in the Town of Springfield property records, listing a home valued at $399,000 at 90 Boedtker Road. The property is deeded to her under her married name, Karen Arthur Neuwirth. (She married cinematographer Tom Neuwirth.) There is also this reference in a newspaper article published May 20, 2008:

The film will be directed by Springfield resident Karen Arthur, who has a long history of directing theatrical performances and television shows and films. linked article

VTvid (talk) 19:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Residence of Cowboy Mach Bell?

To the best of my my knowledge Bell has not been a YS resident since the early 70s when he moved to the Boston area. Perhaps you have specific information that he has moved back to YS recently; I'm unable to find anything definitive. I'll keep looking. Please let me know if you find a definitive answer. -- Rydra Wong (talk) 00:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Villages in New England

If you're interested, an article in the American Political Science Review found here( requires access to JSTOR) explains the most important aspects of villages in New England. It is a bit outdated as village government has actuallty tended to grow much weaker in recent years. --Polaron | Talk 01:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Nyttend, I don't have further info about village districts in the other New England states. In New Hampshire, town governments are able to create them; the enabling legislation originated in 1849. --Ken Gallager (talk) 17:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Another newbie question

I'm sure this information is available on the website, but I'm going to be lazy and ask directly. I got your feedback on references that are available online. How do I note other references? i.e., I have a copy of a newspaper article, but it's not available online.

Thanks, RickH86 (talk) 11:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Rick Wanamaker

Thanks for the example of a newspaper reference.

No, I haven't created a biography page, only added to existing pages to date. I'm also not sure at what point a person "deserves" an article. IMO just because someone is cited in an article doesn't mean that they need an article, particularly living people. In Rick's case, there is more to say, though I don't have the references - first Iowan to high jump 7 ft, played basketball for Drake in the Final Four, but is that enough to justify an article? Due to my location, access to the sources for such an article is limited for now.

RickH86 (talk) 18:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I reviewed the wiki page on "notable", and agree that Rick meets the criteria. I also reviewed the page on biographies for living people. I'll try to prepare a brief biography on Rick from what I can find online.

RickH86 (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I created a short biography page on Rick Wanamaker. Please review it when you have a chance. Thanks.

RickH86 (talk) 08:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I found the DEFAULT SORT because I used the Bruce Jenner article as a format tool.

83.79.19.68 (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hassan Township

How come township articles have to include the county name in the article name? Does that mean if Hassan incorporates (which it has begun procedures for), it will thus change back to Hassan, Minnesota? .:DavuMaya:. 07:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting notes. Its definitely a change from a previous policy I read somewhere about simplifying Wiki names but I don't mind as long as there are redirects for the simpler name. .:DavuMaya:. 15:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Census based population figures

Re to changes at Savage, Minnesota. Could you point me to the WP guideline stating requirements for Census based population figures only. We had been previously using Met Council estimates for all our pages and so I should confirm this first. Secondly if you are converting numbers back to census, you please kindly go the extra mile to find the Census Estimate (if available for that city). Here is the link .:DavuMaya:. 21:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Chelsea Township, Nebraska

Could you correct the spelling error in the county name for Chelsea Township, Nebraska. Currently the page title is Chelsea Township, Fillmroe County, Nebraska. It should be Fillmore County. Thanks! --Acntx (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem with Census Factfinder Links

You and I have both had trouble with direct link to the Census factfinder website, used as a source for a great deal of population information. The key problem I've discovered is that you cannot create a permanent URL link to a Factfinder result. So once you search for population data, if you copy that link into wikipedia, it will not work for others (as we've discovered). However, there is a 2000 census search page that finds PDF versions of the population data for cities, counties, townships, etc. The naming convension for the PDFs have a predictable pattern, so I started working on a rudementary template for generating those URLs to make adding these references simpler. Take a look and let me know what you think. I've posted some examples. Is it fairly easy to understand/use? User:Dcmacnut/DCTemplates.Dcmacnut (talk) 04:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Highland Lakes, New Jersey

Where are you seeing that the "actual real name" is Highland Lake? That's the name of the CDP, but everyone else seems to call it Highland Lakes, including Sussex County, Vernon Township, and the media ([14][15]). --NE2 04:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you please reply? Since you're making edits, you should be seeing that you have a new message. --NE2 04:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Basically, the census bureau is the only one to drop the s, and we should use common names and keep it. --NE2 05:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Townships

Hi Nyttend. I'd taken a break from the township articles for a bit, but yes, I plan to resume the Kansas ones shortly. BTW, thanks for reverting those recent name changes that had dropped the county name -- it's definitely good to keep the naming consistent. Huwmanbeing ☀★ 02:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Tim Russert

Hi Nyttend. Thank you for responding to me. I was wondering was happening, not only when you did respond, but earlier today between 3:30 and 4:00 p.m. EDT when other gay porn was displayed. This really bugs me, but what can we do? Ed (talk) 23:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Anna, Ohio

Yes, it certainly would be interesting. It would be even more interesting if that individual actually was the former mayor. :o) Eric (EWS23) 00:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

reflist

It puts the list of references into two columns instead of one. Wrad (talk) 02:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe so, I just double-checked and saw two. Wrad (talk) 03:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just bumped into this... and I'm not even sure how I got here! As an FYI, the multiple-column feature of the reflist template is not necessarily available on all browsers (I figured this out myself going back and forth between Firefox and Internet Explorer). Check out Template:reflist (under "Multiple columns") to read more about it. --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

DeMartino question

An article I posted was deleted for notability reasons. I'd like to resubmit it with external links to New York Times, Wired, The Hollywood Reporter, Los Angeles Business Journal, and other journals, all calling out Nick DeMartino's long-standing prominence with the Hollywood digital media community. It is his 60th birthday tomorrow and we feel it would be a fitting acknowledgment to see him placed among his peers on Wikipedia. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zorca777 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Dorchester Flooding

Thank you for adding to Dorchester, Iowa about the flooeds. (Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 02:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC))

Red rot

I have to say that I don't really know the answers to your questions. The "black dust" is probably bits of the leather surface that was disintegrated and detached by the rot, though it could be soot from a wood stove or any number of other things, depending on what the books have experienced in their storage. I see no reason why a washing with a regular detergent would not remove the dust from clothing without residual staining, but, again, I'm just guessing; I have no personal experience to go by. Deor (talk) 04:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Conservativism

I am too also a strong conservative with you. Don't feel obligated to answer, but do you support Ron Paul for president 08? Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 03:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocking/Deleting Pages

Hi, I am just wondering if I could just tell you when I feel a page needs to be deleted or a user be blocked. This would save me time, instead of having to go through the other way. It is just easier by going to an administrator him/herself. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 04:15, 16 June 2008

Thanks for the message! Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 04:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Graphics lab scan

I can get the image out of the PDF, but first, what dpi setting was used when scanning it? If it was 72-96 dpi, then it's the same resolution that the current picture is and won't really make any difference, but if it's at 300 dpi or higher, I can make it larger by resizing to 72 without losing quality. MissMJ (talk) 05:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Portage Lakes, Ohio

You "broke" Portage Lakes, Ohio (again?). Argh!

I had editted it to fix the GIS coordinates. Before I started, the page had (3) different co-ordinates for "Portage Lakes, Ohio" on the page Argh!

Yes, I tried to average PP & CDP coordinate & elevation, which in retrospect was not the best choice. BECAUSE the GR1 CDP coordinates cover a much larger area "nowhere near" Portage Lakes-Populated Place.

- Please check your Wikipedia documentation, I thought coord was the preferred template, and coor was "deprecated"?

Please fix the coordinates, 40 59'39"N, 81 32'1"W are not correct. GNIS Feature ID 1058169 Portage Lakes-Populated Place, Summit County has the proper coordinates: 41 00'26"N, 81 31'37"W

- Please use reflist instead of references! Specific issue is when contributors need to append additional refbegin-refend references.

- Please explain why Map-It? When the proper coordinates should already be in the Infobox and display=inline,title? Are you making up your own Ohio Townships page format template?

- My issue with GR3 verus Gnis is what you just demonstrated: Citing a GNIS reference, and then posting the wrong coordinates without a quick way to check for others to retrieve/check the GNIS.

If you want, I can do the above edit, I just hate repairing the co-ordinates if someone is going to come along and break them again.

palo, iowa is 100% water. read the news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.217.207.240 (talk) 03:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Powell Wyoming image

Thanks for keeping an eye on the Powell, Wyoming page. However, in this case, I can assure you that my edit was sound. The image of Lovell's Hyart Theatre is not located in Powell. I don't know how the uploader came to the conclusion that the Hyart Theater is on Coulter Avenue in Powell. It's not. If I were a more skilled Wikipedian, I would put the image on the Lovell, Wyoming page. For reference: here. See Jay (talk) 03:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I totally understand. Had I been thinking, I would have left a clearer explanation for my editing. Thanks for the help! See Jay (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Dorchester, IA

I just thought that adding that litttle bit would be a little bit about Dorchester. I guess not. Thanks for changing it. I will just keep on looking for hisotry information. Thanks! --Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 18:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Please see this, thank you -- CD 22:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Lake County, Ohio and possible image copyvio

Hi Nyttend, I actually think that the image of the couryhouse in Lake County, Ohio really is a copyvio. Look at it Image:Lakeohio.png and then look at this image on Flickr here. The uploader there is "Pamela DePalma" and the user who put the information on the photo and Lake County pages is User:Pdepalma, who identified herself as "Pamela L. DePalma" in here edit summaries.

I know the picture on Wikipedia is missing the branches, but look closely at the top of the dome and the sky and there are the same branches. It is fairly easy to clone stamp out a branch against the sky, but on the dome or a statue it would take a lot more work.

Finally, if you look at the talk page history of the uploader, it is full of questions about image sources and possible copyvios. I checked another one of the recent image uploads by this user here Image:LCK0608.png and it is pretty clearly a copyvio of this page.

What do you think? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

• I deleted the Lake County image as it is clearly the same and on Flickr is marked all rights reserved. I am not sure if the airport map is FAA work. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I am going to ask the author of the court house picture if she will upload it here. Thanks for checking on the FAA map Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
    • She has said she wants to upload it here. I sometimes am in Ohio and will try to get some courthouse pics if I have the time. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
      • I had thought about bringing this up at WP:AN/I - I had also thought of some sort of long term block. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
        • Thanks, it looks good. I added my thoughts there too. This might be one of those users where everything gets deleted just to be safe. Sad really. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
          • The airport map has been deleted. I think the drift of the AN/I might be to give JM0371 one last chance, then indef block him/her if there is any more funny business uploaded. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
            • I left a message on Jm0371's talk page inviting him/her to work on images at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve and a clearer warning. I think an indef block without a warning probably would not stick. Agree the FAA map is useful. Let's see what happens, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC) PSI am all in favor of an indef block for the next infraction. `

RE: Cedarvale1965-08 Blocking

Thanks for the concern about my blocking. It really was not a big deal. Thanks again. --Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 02:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)…

Lydia Title

Hi, I was wondering why you keep removing Cyrus the Great title of king of lydia. As you know Cyrus conquered three major Empires during his reign, the median, lydian, and babylonian EMPIRES, NOT SOME INSIGNIFIGANT SMALLER KINGDOMS, like Armenia or Cappadocia, these where all independent. So as cited various times in history books, the article, and historical fragments he conquered lydia the same why as he conquered media or babylon but, for some reason, to YOUR exception he does not deserve the title, EVENTHOUGH, the Persian kings right after him still held the title Basileus of Lydia, eventhough the Lydians or Persians where not Greeks, this is due to the fact that the Lydian culture was modeled after the Greeks! So if he was the first Persian king who conquered Lydia, shouldn't he be the first to have the title BASILEUS? Or if thats to extremist for this user, than at least KING should do, EVENTHOUGH, (basileus translated to persian is shahensha which still means ruler or king!) thank you, goodbye. (Sorry for the confrontational langauge, I was in a hurry)--Ariobarza (talk) 04:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

I DID COMMENT HERE AND AM GOING TO ON THE ARTICLES PAGE!!!

Help may not be or be needed.--Ariobarza (talk) 04:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Maine maps

Wow, already seven months since I made the maps for Aroostook County, Maine. I used a map adapted from U.S. Census Bureau maps (American FactFinder) for the portion showing the outlines of the townships. I don't currently have the one outline map from the Census Bureau for Aroostook County due to hard drive failure (and that map wasn't backed up). I don't currently have similar maps for other Maine counties or a statewide map showing towns, but if I did, the source would be the same as the map for Aroostook County. Bumm13 (talk) 16:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Dorchester Reference

Thank you for making the reference eaiser to understand. I still haven't fully got the hang of correctly making good reference format. --Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 19:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohio County Courthouses

I found a few more violations by Jm0371, and tagged the accordingly. The majority came from the Flickr user FusionPanda's Ohio Courthouses photos. I e-mailed Fusion Panda to alert him of Jm0371's plagarism, and suggested he review Jm0371's contributions for other violations of his work. This the reply received back.

Hmmm... thank you for contacting me.

I'll take the time to go through some of his image submissions tomorrow.

For what it's worth though, I absolutely don't mind any images I have posted on Flickr being used for Wikipedia articles, preferably attributed. It does bug me that someone would have cropped or photoshopped them and reposted them as their own though.

But if there are entries in Wikipedia that are now imageless because these images are being taken down, you have my express permission to use any of the originals of mine to replace them. I'm a big Wikipedia

user myself :).

I replied thanking him, but also reminded him of the Wikipedia policy that images be available under a free license. His flickr page restricts use of images for non-commercial purposes only. I asked if he'd be willing to license under Creative Commons BY-SA and GFDL (per the "image use request boilerplate here). I asked for blanket permission for all his courthouse images at [16]. We'll see what he says. If I get a positive response, I would look to your for assistance in making the proper OTRS requests.Dcmacnut (talk) 04:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

As I understand it, when there is a photo or photos that don't have a clear free license, you basically get permission from the author who releases them under a free license. Then you file the authors permission with OTRS here in Wikipedia (not sure what the acronym means) so the is a record of the author's permission. This is useful for a photo not found on the web, like Flickr, or for photos on Flickr that have a non-free license. Normally its not an issue for Flickr images, since they'll often already have a free license. However, Fusion panda's photos have a non-commercial license, so we'd need him to release them under a free license. I'll just look into what steps are needed once I hear back from him.

As a professional photographer, he'd probably won't release his photos because of the commercial use issue. I doubt a non-free rationale would work under fair use for is photos even if just county courthouse articles, since "someone, somewhere" could take a free picture. I personally don't release many of my photos to Wikipedia for this reason. I'm not willing to put my creative works into the public domain. If I do upload anything, it's something I've taken specifically for Wikipedia and wouldn't have taken a picture of if not for Wikipedia. Even then, I use a Creative Common's license to give myself some added control.Dcmacnut (talk) 19:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

All of the courthouse photos from Jm0371 are deleted. I did some more searching and found 21 more copyvios from Flickr (almost all cropped or edited a bit - this is in addition to the 11 already found). One or two I found by changing the search slightly - my general search was "X County Courthouse Ohio". I got tired of searching for variants and deleted the rest of the courthouse .png images (17 in Ohio and one out of state). I did find four or five free courthouse images on Flickr and uploaded them to Commons. If FusionPanda agress to freely license his pictures I will be glad to help - just let me know. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I added a free image of the Hancock County COurthouse to its page, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Caveman

Thanks for the tip. I am a beginner and am obviously struggling with the reference issues.Caveman1949 (talk) 02:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Lake County Courthouse

I am glad to be able to contribute to Wikipedia, I use it often. It is too bad there are people that post photos as their own. Thank you for acting quickly by deleting the copyright violation. Pdepalma (talk) 03:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I added the photo twice. This is the fist time I have uploaded something and really had no idea what I was doing. Pdepalma (talk) 03:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with the image upload of the Courthouse. I like it at the top of the page Pdepalma (talk) 09:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Curious

Baskin Robbins -> Baskin-Robbins. Dismas|^(talk) 04:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I've done that before as well. I'll stare and stare and never find the change. I'll usually just give up and figure that they put in or removed a space from something. It was nice when the developers made it so that spaces showed up in red on the diffs but I think they disabled that for some reason because I've only seen it a couple times and that was weeks ago. Dismas|^(talk) 04:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Los Alamos County

Re your revert of my contribution to Los Alamos County, New Mexico, please see Talk:Los Alamos County, New Mexico. --Una Smith (talk) 04:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: County templates

I will check out the areas you mentioned and will work on the templates when I log on to Wikipedia again. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 13:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I went through the New England states and found only three unincorporated census-designated places that extended into more than one county (Tilton-Northfield, New Hampshire; Bondsville, Massachusetts; and Fort Devens, Massachusetts). I added the footnote to the county templates that included these communities. Also, I did a quick scan of New York and it looks to have quite a few villages that lie in more than one county. Would you like me to add the footnotes to that state's county templates? If so, just let me know and I will start on them. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 11:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I never took it as you ordering me around. Actually, I haven't been working on that much lately and would be glad to help make the county templates better. Never hesitate to ask me for assistance, especially with the georgraphy-related articles. Thanks again. --Acntx (talk) 14:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Ohio Newsletter

The WikiProject Ohio Newsletter

Issue III - June 2008

From the editor: This is the third edition of the WikiProject Ohio newsletter. If you have any project announcements feel free to drop them by the NewsDesk. It's request that you watchlist our talk page; so you can chime in on current discussions. Have a great June! The Ohio Portal The maintainers of the Ohio Portal are looking to get it to featured status. They would like to ask all project members to help improve it any way they can. What needs to be done most is the supplying of selected articles and images. Getting the Project Moving WikiProject Ohio as an entity doesn't have as much action as other state projects. For this reason it has been proposed that the inactive WikiProject Ohio Townships be added as our taskforce. There is a !poll going on at WT:OH and your opinion is essential in the matter! Stepshep has also proposed sending an invite to everyone in Category:Wikipedians in Ohio with an invite to join the project. If you are already a member you would not receive the notice of course. Once again, please note your opinion on the project talkpage. Selected Article: Central Avenue Historic District (Dayton, Ohio) The Central Avenue Historic District is a nationally recognized historic district located at 201 to 338 Central Avenue in Dayton, Ohio. It consists of late 19th and 20th Century Revival-style houses as well as late Victorian-style houses, which were all originally single-family residences. On December 16, 1982, it was added to the National Register of Historic Places. Each month a new Ohio related stub is the selected article. If you have a new stub created feel free to nominate it at the NewsDesk. Article Assessment Reedy Bot and ShepBot are currently hard at work tagging all of the Ohio articles. We may need to have an assessment drive when the bots are finished. Think of it as a late spring cleaning. Please note your opinions on the project talkpage if you would be interested in helping! Over 15,000 articles have been tagged with {{OH-Project}} We have 5,000 articles that need to be assessed for class! Article Info Good Article Nominees, FAR, FLC List of Governors of Ohio was nominated for featured list status. Teh result was promote. Bruce Johnson (politician) underwent a featured article review. The result was demote. William Henry Harrison underwent a GAN The result was promote. Paul Tibbets underwent a GAN. It is currently undergoing review. Columbus Blue Jackets underwent a GAN It is currently undergoing review. Articles for Deletion Results Afd W. S. McIntosh Memorial Leadership Award was nominated at Afd. The result was Delete Homer E. Woodling and Robert F. Busbey were nominated at Afd. The result was Keep All Ohio High School Conferences were nominated at Afd. The result was no consensus keep. There is an effort to improve these articles here. Ohio Barnstar of Merit If you know of a Wikipedian who has contributed a good deal of effort to Ohio articles feel free to award the new Ohio Barnstar of Merit by placing the following code on their user talkpage. {{subst:The Ohio Barnstar of Merit|message}} Article Importance Scheme A new article importance scheme has been proposed at the assessment talk page. Please comment on the propsed system. Ohio NHLs Tabulated The 25 of Ohio's 69 National Historic Landmarks that were red-links all got articles this month, as part of a WP:NRHP drive to finish beginning the 2,430 or so NHL articles needed for nation-wide coverage. WP:OHIO members Stepshep and Sanfranman59 were busy. Contributors Stepshep, Clariosophic, & Doncram

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Reformed Presbyterian Church of Vernon

Hi! I do try to monitor Wisconsin's towns articles especially for vandalism and also if the various towns have town websites that could be added to the articles. Also when new articles relating to Wisconsin come through, I tag the articles with the WP Wisconsin template like I did with your article about the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Vernon. Okay- I read the article on the Reformed Presbyterian Church and I look at the sources. The first citation about the RP Church of Vernon= the National Register of Historic Places mentions the RP Church as a funeral (sic?) structure. I think the RP Church of Vernon is used as a cemetery chapel of some sort. I do know the Vernon, Wisconsin article has the town website link they may have some information. The town website has a link for the Big Bend-Vernon Historical Society. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 00:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Try this link:This has more information:Covenanter's Reformed Presbyterian Cemetery Thanks-RFD (talk) 12:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Winthrop, ME, and a problematic editor

Hi Nyttend, I apologize for re-tagging Winthrop, ME just as it was added to a template. The list of links I saw must have come from a lagging database server.

In any case, the user who removed the tag initially, User:Jay1279, has been making a series of problematic edits, not just regarding orphans (such as this). On first look, his edits look like they may be made in good faith, so I'm unsure how to handle the matter. Since you're an admin, I hoped you might have some suggestions for how to approach this issue.

Thanks! -- Avocado (talk) 04:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Update: he seems to have moved on to other types of editing, so things are OK for now. I'll continue to keep an eye out. -- Avocado (talk) 04:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)