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Hawaii climate

Please do not change back to the old, bad climate fact! Add more sources or information if you want to. --Mattiss44 (talk) 15:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Deleted List of Civil Parishes...

Hello! I tagged it for speedy deletion but couldn't see a specific csd criteria because I knew what the subject was about but it initially seemed like an inexperienced editor trying to create a list of something but stopped in the middle. And because I patrol newpages from the bottom of the list, it had been sitting there for a while which led me to believe that it was, in fact, a test page to learn how to create an article. Cheers!--Sallicio^{$\color {Red}\oplus$} 00:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The page had been sitting there for a while? A couple of hours at most. I had actually gone to eat having, I thought, put enough on to justify the page remaining until I got back! The page was intended to form part of the subpages to List of civil parishes in England following a chnage in legislation allowing civil parishes to be formed in Greater London. There are none yet, as would be made clear once the page was completed, but they can be added as the situation changes over the ensuing months and years. It could be argued that the page should be left until a civil parish has been established. However, that leaves the list of counties in England incomplete (each other county has a page). Skinsmoke (talk) 00:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Wyoming County map

Now that I think about it, it would be useful. To tell the truth, I removed it mostly out of convienence (it was easier to paste in the majority of text that was used in every other county). I added the map back to Wyoming, but I can't quite figure out the best place for it. By the way, thanks for adding that pic in the Bradford County list. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 03:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Bradford was just the tip of the iceberg. You've found a lot of photos (even ones for articles that don't exist yet)! I'm going to dust off AWB and evenutally run around adding a county location map to all the county lists, per your suggestion. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 22:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Legislative Routes

Oops. I did catch errors involving the abbreviations of "street" and "saint" (or at least I thought I got all of them). I belive all kinks are worked out now, but will double check anyways. Thanks for fixing those mistakes :-) --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 03:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

List of RHPs in KS update

Hey i see u noticed my editing in the List of RHPs in KS. I hope u like it. Would u mind filling out the table to get to a total tally for Kansas's counties? Both because I don't want to edit-conflict if u'r doing that already, and I'd like to get on to other states, too. Also you can, better than me, add more of the best photos to drape in a longer column of photos on either side of the table. Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Southworth House (Cleveland, Ohio)

On 5 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Southworth House (Cleveland, Ohio), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 09:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Canyon Diablo, Arizona

Where does it say that it's "standard" to link to United States? Just the opposite, it falls under WP:OVERLINK - don't make links to items that would be familiar to most readers of the article. Colonies Chris (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we need to distinguish between information and links - the information that the place is in the United States is definitely necessary, but the link is valueless - I'd be prepared to bet that no-one has ever clicked on it nor ever will.

And the question of links to 6 January and 2009 is completely different - date fragments like these were only ever linked for autoformatting. which is now deprecated. Colonies Chris (talk) 13:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

List of historical places/mon county

I'm not sure I agree with your edit that removed all of the listed places in Monongalia County and substituted a link. I don't see how the article can be complete unless the list contains all the items that belong to the list set. Is there a particular policy that led you to delete the historical places in one county, but leave the list for the other 54 counties in West Virginia.

I think a good example of how the larger set should not have a subset deleted would be the List of spacewalks and moonwalks and List of ISS spacewalks. All of the ISS spacewalks are also included in the comprehensive list, as, I believe, they should be.

Looking forward to your response. WVhybrid (talk) 23:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Nyttend. I think I understand why you (and other editors) are splitting out a few counties out of the state list. I'm still not sure I agree. If there is a technical need to keep the list below a certain size, then I certainly have no grounds to object. And of course, my comment wasn't as clear as it could have been. I probably came across more harshly than I intended to appear. Sometimes my writing can be a blunt instrument. If I upset you, that wasn't the intention.

I think my first reaction/comment to your move was based on my perception that 1) the list isn't completely formatted, with some counties tables built and some not, so why break it up, and 2) moving parts of the list to their own articles without moving all the counties to their own articles is a half-way effort. I guess more than anything I'm showing my anal side.... B-)

Have a good evening. WVhybrid (talk) 04:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Psalms 34:15

Hello, User:Nyttend! Just a head's up, that I've added an explanatory response to your Ref Desk query. -- Deborahjay (talk) 12:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Further: You did well to suppose, and note, the presumed biblical source, and with some afterthought I'd have to say: were this a similar query about languages I don't happen to know, I'd have been stymied to come up with an answer through a channel other than the Wikipedia Language Ref Desk. That's why I visit it so often for my work as an archives translator, and why I try to help with what I know. You're welcome! -- Deborahjay (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Meskwaki Settlement

No worries! I added a photo of the town water tower to prove that it does exist... Billwhittaker (talk) 18:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

John Frew House, other wp:NRIS info issues

Got ur note at my talk page about ur moving John Frew House, though i am not clear what other mention you are referring to there. I can't really follow all the details myself, but i would appreciate if you would update wp:NRIS info issues with your findings of apparent NRIS/Elkman errors on city/county locations or on other facts. I do want to begin raising those issues with the NPS eventually. Thanks for taking on the Pittsburgh neighborhoods-identification task, etc.! doncram (talk) 19:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia

In your comment on the AFD you say "No doubt he fails WP:ATHLETE". If that's true, then how do the comments of User:MetroBioAuthor figure in? Are those non-notable or faked accomplishments? - Mgm|^(talk) 13:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Virginia settlements again

I'm going to step back into the fray, I think, and work up some more Virginia geo stubs in the next week or so. Starting with Westmoreland and Richmond Counties, primarily because I have pictures for them. I only bring it up because I might need a bit of backup if the same thing that happened before happens again. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

My nickname

Well spotted ! I did come up with that nickname a long time ago for online roleplaying purposes (when MUDs were all the craze), it's not a name straight out of the Tolkien's world though, I wanted something more unique (turns out I'm not the only one out there after all, according to Google, *grmprf*) so it's a construction out of a "Quenyan" dictionary. I actually forgot what it was supposed to mean, but I have dragged the name around for so many years now it's become my usual nickname :) Equendil Talk 01:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Why is Gustavus Cheyney Doane A Non-Notable?

On January 6, you removed the Gustavus Cheyney Doane entry from the Notable residents of Bozeman, Montana. Doane is an extremely notable individual, was assigned to Fort Ellis (essentially Bozeman) for over ten years and is buried in the city.--Mike Cline (talk) 21:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Isn't timing everything - thanks--Mike Cline (talk) 01:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Muscoda, Wisconsin

Thanks for cleaning up the Muscoda, Wisconsin article.This gives myself a good excuse to ask how you are doing.I hope your Christmas&New Years went well and you are feeling better-Thanks-RFD (talk) 14:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Bear Lake County, Idaho

Thanks for fixing up the stubs I started yesterday. I have a question maybe you can answer. I changed the county template, adding the communities whose articles I started, but they don't show up in the box on any articles but the new ones. What am I doing wrong? Thmazing (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad to know it's not just me. :) Thmazing (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Mediapolis and Bud

The reason that I put this:

"A 333-8 home court record (included home winning streaks of 97, 84, and 66 games)."

Is because it was the Mediapolis High School and team and also related to the town. (Since in small towns like this the teams are the town.)

- 4.240.159.99 (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Ashland

Councilmaniac is a real term, though I don't understand it enough to know if it was used properly. John Reaves 05:21, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Mission Hills, Kansas

I added four notable (some deceased) residents, which have now been deleted by the revert. I removed two names who are marginally notable/ noteworthy, a golfer and a magazine centerfold. Leaving aside these two people's historical significance, these two names have been reverted and are now present on the page

After the revert, I added back two residents (one living, one deceased) who lived in Mission Hills for many years: Henry Bloch, founder with his brother Richard of H&R Block and Ewing Kauffman who founded Marion Labs, later Hoechst Marion Roussel, now known as Aventis. These two people are (1) Mission Hills residents (Bloch on Wenonga and Kauffman on Mission Drive), and are (2) notable because of the size (both employee count and gross revenue) of the firms they founded.

Wyoming

Looks good! I added a clickable county map. I would knock off a photo from each column to remove all that white space below the table. Also checked and found no delisted sites that need to be added. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 01:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

There is a tool on the toolserver that helps with making things like clickable maps. Ebyabe explained how to do it a while ago, when another user asked about it, in an archived discussion (which is what I found and learned from). Hope this helps. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 01:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

WV NRHP Listings

On the WV NRHP page, I basically changed the File: inline links to Image: to be consistent. There were some of both types there and I figured that while I was doing the other changes, I'd just make everything consistent. While both work, WP:IMAGE seems to be primarily be using the Image: tag in its examples. Brian Powell (talk) 04:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I still have concerns about the naming of the articles for the NRHP list. WP:NRHP says that "The name of the article should be the current, formal title of the place." To me, that would indicate the listing name should reflect its current official usage. WT:NRHP deals with a slightly variation of the issue but seems to support my position. Thus, Carnifex Ferry State Park should be shown as Carnifex Ferry Battlefield State Park, the actual official name of the site. There is a new Nicholas County High School - not distinguishing that fact that it is the old NRHP building that was listed just causes confusion. In fact, I had to correct the NCHS article because it implied that the current building was NRHP-listed. Brian Powell (talk) 20:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Please see this diff in which I just updated the WP:NRHP passaga to clarify what has been worked out as more specific guidelines. I haven't read up on the edits and/or followed the discussion between the two of you, but it seems there's a difference in understanding of where the NRHP name should be used. It has evolved that the NRHP name is used in lists of NRHPs and in NRHP infoboxes, although article names may differ. Thanks Bmpowell for being very specific in your comment here, so that i could find and update that passage in wp:NRHP. Hope this helps! doncram (talk) 20:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Middle Village citation

The WisDOT State Highway Map is available free of charge from WisDOT by request.[1] Linking to a scanned copy of the map on a private sales website is not a substitute for the real thing. If you persist in reinserting that website as a citation, the article's wording will have to be altered to indicate that the linked .PDF is not a WisDOT publication. Tomer^talk 12:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Loudonville and Kettering

By what logic did you remove the more complete reference to Kettering?
In your view, what's wrong with the inclusion of his middle name and his nickname?
Doc – Dr. D.B. "Doc" Rushing – DocRushing (talk) 17:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer on my user-talk page.

Your point is well taken about the direct link.

I did not mean to rock the boat; that was my oversight.

Sorry 'bout that.

Boss Kettering is one of my heroes – because he was such a brilliant and prolific inventor.

He was commonly and affectionately known as Boss.

Provided that I not disturb the direct link, is it OK with you if I restore his full name and nickname?

Since that article appears to be your work, I wish not to tread on your toes.

Thanks.

Doc – DocRushing (talk) 03:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, which I caught a few minutes ago (after a return after an absence from home).

How may I see your request for a third opinion and any response(s) to it?

Since I'm still a newbie at Wikipedia, I've not discovered how to do so.

New subject: This is not an attempt to quarrel or quibble but rather a sincere request for info: By what reasoning did you suggest that it might be better for me not to use a conventional paragraphing technique in the matter which I post on a user-talk page? More specifically, have I overlooked something in the principles or the guidelines of Wikipedia?

Yes, I realize that most other users do not use paragraphing on talk pages, but I find it useful (as a communication technique) to use paragraphing.

Thanks for your time and trouble.

Doc – DocRushing (talk) 00:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Another question, please: On 17 January 2009 (in the article about Loudonville, Ohio), I changed the opening words to "Loudonville, Ohio, USA, ..."; the next day you undid my change, referring to your action as a "standardisation". I've looked in the Manual of Style for a requirement for such, but I've not succeeded in finding one. If that is a prescribed standard, where, please, can I find it? Thanks. Doc – DocRushing (talk) 04:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC).

Cyberhymnal.org

Hello,

My bot finally got approved and I was about to update all the cyberhymnal links, per your request. However, it looks like cyberhymnal.org is back online, so the task is not needed anymore. Feel free to let me know if it needs updated at some point in the future. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Henry Barnard House

FYI I reverted your change, take a look at the photo and the sign on the building. It could be reworded of course. dm (talk) 22:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

• I like your rewording and of course, the reference, thanks. As to the Unknown/No Style listed, I've been removing those from the hundreds (thousands) of nrhp/nhl articles I've edited. I personally dont feel it adds much to the infobox to pass on that someone checked the "no style listed" checkbox. We should bring this to the nrhp page to see what the other editors think... dm (talk) 22:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

*chuckle*

at one of the best AfD comments I've seen in a while :) As a Giants fan, and with the Dirty Birds handled, I officially don't care who wins, but I had to laugh. StarM 04:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

and yet one someone felt the need to re-factor.. Weird wiki world! StarM 04:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL. I think the two Bengals I can name are Boomer, who I grew up watching and Ocho Cinco, who everyone thinks will be the Giants' saviour. I disagree, but that's neither here nor there. The Giants/Bengals game was the only one I missed this season -- and with good reason, I was at the last game at Yankee Stadium. Back in October or so -- either the week of the Giants/Steelers game or thereabouts, I said the AfC would go through Pittsburgh -- they've just got one hell of a team. Have a good night! StarM 05:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Poplar Hill

There are three other NRHP listings with an identical name. When I come across situations like this as I build tables, I'm in the habit of dab-bing all occurrences in other NRHP list articles. This way, if someone uses the lists to create new articles, they'll know that the titles should be disambiguated. --sanfranman59 (talk) 05:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Kachemak page move

We need to talk about this. I know Wikipedia has an anti-expert philosophy and all, but I think I can safely consider myself an expert on this subject as I have lived in the area for the last 10 years, and have never, ever heard anyone refer to the "city of Kachemak". Lest you think I am engaging in original research, here are some examples in the local press [2] [3][4]. My understanding of naming conventions for pages is that they should be the most common name that a person looking for information would use, whether it is the "proper" name or not, and the common name in this case is "Kachemak City". That is sometimes the problem with these articles created solely with census data, there is no "flavor" to them, just raw population data. Take Kachemak City's neighbor Miller Landing, Alaska. This is a Census Designated Place, but in ten years I have never heard of this either. Locals would call this the east end near Kachemak drive and not consider it a separate settlement, (I actually laughed quite a bit when I ran across that one) but since the census says it is it has it's own page. There's no sign anywhere in that area that says it "Miller Landing," there's not a separate zip code or anything, but there it is anyway... At the same time there are three Old Believer villages another twenty or so miles down the same road, and they aren't considered separate settlements by the census, so they are all lumped into Fox River, Alaska, even though there is not an actual settlement by that name, just a river. Anyway, I think it would be appropriate to change it back, but I wanted to discuss it with you first. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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Middlesex County, MA Historic Places

I manually counted the unnumbered places in the remaining towns and then added them. Pretty primitive. I may have made a mistake, but I thought my counting was fairly accurate. Feel free to add your number if you feel it is more accurate. Regardless of the precise number, Mass' total should be on the NRHP chart because it has the second most NRHPs of any state. Thanks for double checking. Swampyank (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Alaska

I think your article naming plans sound fine, at least to me as a non-Alaskan. For an Alaskan perspective, the one Alaskan-wikipedian that i know has worked on some NRHP articles is LeheckaG. He had worked on some Ohio NRHP articles, may or may not actually have worked on Alaska ones, but has Alaskan roots and/or current residence there. So i suggest you check if he has opinions on the borough and city names. Any which way, you can create the articles and let them be renamed, eventually, later. Glad you're moving on to new states. I am bogged down in finishing out List of RHPs in AZ currently; i am making myself cross-check all the old list items living at the bottom of its list-articles before moving on to a new state. Cheers, doncram (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I know absolutely nothing about Alaskan geography, so I can't be of much help. I don't see anything overtly wrong with your plan. I agree with Don. Go ahead and create the articles. They can always be renamed later if someone comes along with a better idea. Thanks for all your hard work on the lists. --sanfranman59 (talk) 05:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

What u've done for Alaska looks great, both the Navigation template and the articles. I like your adding the maps showing each borough's location in the state. I've breeze thru first 15 of the 29, just taking a quick look and adding to wikiprojs. Haven't clicked on many of the Google map links, but checking the one for National Register of Historic Places listings in Fairbanks North Star Borough, Alaska makes apparent some discrepancies of coordinates for 3 sites in that one. Perhaps u want to fix those with correct coords, or comment out the bad ones. Or perhaps those are sites which belong in a different borough. Anyhow, great looking work! doncram (talk) 03:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

P.S. With 407 NRHP listings apparently, i see Alaska fails to beat out ND with 405 for lowest number. I did ND just becasue i guessed it was the easiest/shortest one to do.  :) doncram (talk) 03:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Grrr! that u dusted off a few more for List of RHPs in ND, bringing it up to 409.  :( Well, that shurely does beat all. I am really surprised that Alaska, ranked 14th on NHLs among states and Washington D.C., having 48 of them, would, on lowest NRHP count, beat out North Dakota, ranked 51st out of 51 states and D.C. on NHLs. I guess the entirely separate National Park Service district office for Alaska must have been focussin on quality rather than quantity. Who would thunk? Thanks for fixing up the ND list-article in many details. doncram (talk) 07:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Miscounted/schmiscounted! I just didn't come back to update the national list, after a couple of the research issue ones had been resolved. Hmm, seems i bagged the true lowest, and now have also bagged the last 2 in a row. :) doncram (talk) 23:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Lake Hallie, Wisconsin

Hi! Would you please take a look at the Lake Hallie, Wisconsin article in Chippewa County, Wisconsin? The article is missing a demographic section and probably some other items.I added a reflist to it. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help-Lake Hallie has a village website so I added that on so I hope that helps-RFD (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for helping out with the Turtle Lake, Wisconsin article. I did added a 2007 population estimate in the Lake Hallie, Wisconsin article.Thanks-RFD (talk) 20:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Joseph and Mary Jane League House

Thanks for checking that out. I'm gonna send an e-mail to the NPS. Amazingly, I've had good response from them before. Maybe there's something they can do to fix it. Lvklock (talk) 01:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Union County, Ohio

You've deleted the referencing section. I've used this format on all my previous edits and have not had anyone change them, or complain. The current format that you use lacks the notes with the specific pages where these cites can be found in the sources. Please advise.

Wiki Historian N OH (talk) 02:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Rope bridges

I've tried to answer your question about rope bridges at the reference desks - but it's one of those things that's a lot easier to demonstrate with some rope, a river, and some Scouts to carry things than it is to explain in writing! DuncanHill (talk) 05:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

When I was about 13 or 14 we built a bridge over a river for a pioneering challenge - nothing as dramatic as the Inca bridges, but I can still remember having the principles explained to us as being useful to know if we were ever in a plane crash in the Andes! DuncanHill (talk) 05:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Alaska maps

Okay, the Wrangell map and the Petersburg map are finished. The Skagway map and the Hoonah-Angoon map, as well as the combined Skagway-Yakutat-Angoon map are finished. I think thats all of them. Let me know if anything needs to be adjusted. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 23:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

A centralised discussion which may interest you

Hi. You may be interested in a centralised discussion on the subject of "lists of unusual things" to be found here. SP-KP (talk) 17:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyright issue possible for Birnik site and other NHL pics

I noticed a credit apparently due for a NHL pic. Not sure if you are aware that not all National Park Service website pics are public domain. About that, see Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#some but not all National Park Service photos are public domain. To raise the issue, I hope you don't mind i just started up a deletion process. See deletion process for this photo at Commons.Wikimedia.org. Perhaps that was not the right way to raise it, but i hope you don't mind. Let's just sort it out there. One problem, right now, is that the NHL webpage seems to be unavailable. doncram (talk) 05:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hopeulikit, Ga Edits

You recently made some changes to the article Hopeulikit, Georgia.I read the discussion page for the article and agree with you comments concerning my source for population. Do you have any suggestions as to where I can find the population of such a small community that does not participate in the census. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks Alot !!! --69.59.103.6 (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Maryland communities

You might benefit from looking at the GNIS for your Maryland communities: it can give you the basic data you need to source the articles. Nyttend (talk) 18:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

• Done for Somerset County, Maryland unincorporated places. Thanks for the great advice!--Pubdog (talk) 20:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Union Institute, Montpelier

Thanks for reverting WP:UNDUE material. Good call I thought. Wondered what to do with it until I got to your edit! Lot of "joint" stuff in Vermont (& other places I suppose) that has no article in itself. This, I guess is one of them. The Montpelier graduate school, if I understand correctly, is a joint enterprise of the University of Vermont, the largest univ in Vermont and this Union Institute that I never heard of before. Probably should be de-linked. Shouldn't be the smaller school though. That is just chutzpah! Student7 (talk) 01:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Rhoda Nohlechek House location

Hi NY ... Just a heads up that I've removed the Rhoda Nohlechek House from the Maricopa County NRHP list. I actually removed it the other day but since you added it back in, I'm leaving this note to explain my actions. The NRIS has the wrong county on this one. Wenden is in La Paz County and the address of the house is at least 10 miles (as the crow flies) from the Maricopa County border. Incidentally, the NRIS also has Curtis Cottage in Maricopa, but it's actually in Yavapai County (Prescott). I also transferred that listing to the correct county. Happy editing! --sanfranman59 (talk) 06:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

States with "K" names

As I see it, people who never make mistakes aren't contributing. (Smile) --Orlady (talk) 03:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding those NRHP lists for Ohio counties, I didn't finish that particular contribution, and I am unlikely to get back to it any time soon... (Sigh...) Orlady (talk) 05:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Oregon post offices

FYI: http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6803065/Culp-Creek-post-office-gets.html The USPS lookup still lists Culp Creek and Camas Valley, but Curtin has apparently closed out to Cottage Grove, also per a USPS ZIP code lookup. Here's a story on Curtin: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/201398_pobox27.html. Apparently Camas Valley p.o. was reopened: http://www.nrtoday.com/article/20080423/NEWS/76799257 Katr67 (talk) 00:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

February 2009

Thanks for the welcome. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to List of former Christian Science churches, societies and buildings, did not appear to be constructive and has been corrected. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Lucho cl (talk) 15:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Not the usual message from a newer user to an admin :-) Nyttend (talk) 15:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Bad edits

The Elmore, Ohio page on Wikipedia is increasingly inaccurate due to the edits of this user. His intentions are good... most edits are made because they are formatted incorrectly. However, this user has made some repeated edits that go against actual fact and he no longer allows any edits made by users other than himself. He has also made a point of dismissing important contributions of the community as "silliness."

Using the wikipedia guidelines as a shield to mask a power trip is not the way for an accurate and complete (in the relative manner that Wikipedia ever can be complete) resource to be built.

When you are right, Nyttend, you are right. But please consider... you aren't always right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.201.191 (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Delisted tables

Yeah, I can help with those tables. When you do add the tables, I'll go and see if I can add anything about the delisted properties from the weekly lists. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 18:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't mind helping, too, but am not sure what info if any i have to bring to bear. See my response at my Talk page. doncram (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I suggest moving further discussion to Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Iowa. I commented further there, and started a table. Have it on my watchlist. doncram (talk) 22:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

More Alaska maps

The Prince of Wales-Hyder map and the new Ketchikan map are both finished. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 17:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I tagged Ketchikan map 2 as a duplicate and it should be speedied. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 17:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: POWOK to POWH

I used the maps at this site to estimate the areas and populations that I put in the table at List of boroughs and census areas in Alaska. If you find a source with exact areas, let me know. --Lasunncty (talk) 19:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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Iowa Town Pronunciation

Hi Nyttend- For towns in Iowa which have unexpected name pronunciations, I will put this info on their discussion page, not the article; hopefully this will satisfy WP:OR while still providing some pretty essential information about each town. Unfortunatly, I don't know of a list where these pronunciations are published. Sometimes there is no agreement within a town on how to pronounce it, I've heard people in What Cheer, Iowa call it "watcher", "wa-cheer", and "what-cheer". Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa I thought was "ma-ha-re-she ved-ic" when I visited there a while ago on survey, but recent NPR radio ads sponsored by the Maharishi pronounce it "ma-harsh-ee vay-dic". Go figure... Billwhittaker (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Willis Hunt

My point is that in Wikipedia, we don't routinely note race/ethnicity unless it's, well, notable... For example, Davey Crockett, Bo Jackson, Ted Bundy, Pele, Bill Clinton, Anthony A. Williams, etc. etc. etc. no race noted, except maybe in the categories. If you look at the articles on the current Supreme Court justices, race is generally not noted at all, except in the Clarence Thomas article, because someone deemed it notable that he was the 2nd-ever African American on the court (and I agree, the political/racial context is essential to the understanding of his confirmation hearing). We don't describe Charlie Sheen as a "Spanish-Irish-American", although that becomes obvious if you read his and his father's bio. We don't routinely note race/ethnicity just as we wouldn't note handedness generally; of course, in certain sports, handedness is important and routinely noted on those players biographies. Or take a look at the Charlie Rangel article; his race comes into the article from notable events - first African-American chairman of arguably the most powerful committee, some race-related activism, etc., but we don't label him in the text, except as notable events drive the content. Same for Marion Barry. Unless there's some notable reason for the information to be in the article, the judge's race/ethnicity needs to be left out of the article.

In the manual of style, it discourages ethnic labeling in the article opening; if you review What links here for "White American", you'll see that the vast bulk of the links are made in the context of discussing racial issues - demographics, disputes, etc. While there are some links for the purpose of ethnic labeling, the vast bulk of those are on low traffic articles, e.g. biographies of porn stars and TV weatherman were the first couple such that I found.

I understand that many people think that race/ethnicity is a critical fact of biography; in my opinion, the Wikipedia consensus is to the contrary, especially with living people. It's certainly the cause of chronic dispute, particularly long-running edit wars over "yellow badging" and "pink badging".

If Hunt's race is important to some notable issue or incident in his life, as documented by reliable sources, then the fact should certainly be included, but otherwise, well, you know my opinion; it's about as relevant as his shoe size. Studerby (talk) 07:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's the RealTitleBanner thingie... Frankly, I picked it up somewhere and don't know why, particularly, it works... That particular keyword must be defined in some of the Wikimedia JavaScript, I guess... Studerby (talk) 22:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Cuyahoga County Courthouse

If someone refers to the county courthouse here, they're probably talking about the old courthouse, because the new one is more commonly called the Justice Center. However, more court facilities are in the Justice Center, because it's so much larger. - Eureka Lott 14:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Butterworth

He needs a reference from an outside source; just because it's in his article doesn't mean it can be used without a reference in the article. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

MD NRHP Lists

I just wanted to drop a note to thank you for all the updates on the county pages under National Register of Historic Places listings in Maryland. I don't know if you noticed, but I've added a lot of stub articles on the places and the revisions you've made to the county pages are the piece de la resistance! Thanks --- Ted--Pubdog (talk) 22:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Orleans, Vermont business directory

My intent in inserting a list of retail is to exhibit the local economy. A reader can better understand how (low?) the local economy is. There is sharp contrast with a competing village in town. The other village has four good restaurants, for example! Wow!  :)

I was shocked when I discovered a city mall described in loving detail. I was about to try to have the article deleted when I discovered that there is a WikiProject on Malls! The rule they use is if the chain is nationally known, they use it - i.e. it doesn't need the publicity! Everyone knows about MacDonalds for example. Mentioning it here doesn't help or hurt. On the other hand, mentioning Joe's Garage might just help and therefore wouldn't be allowed.

So I guess my point is, if malls are allowed, why aren't smaller places allowed to inventory their retail facilities? Just because they will never justify having a separate article doesn't seem reasonable.

But my main intent was to display the local economy for all to see and evaluate. If it can't be seen it can't be evaluated. It is hidden from the reader/researcher. Student7 (talk) 22:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

???Student7 (talk) 23:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I was sort of hoping for a positive response to my brilliant defense above. I was hoping to avoid a revert war with you!  :) Student7 (talk) 13:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree I did not have a reference which would be pretty lame anyway - probably some .com site. Or several.

I don't agree that it was the yellow pages - the link "summarized" the NN retail places. I was not trying to give them needed publicity but to sketch the local economy, which can be done in small part by summarizing the retail establishments. And all economy reporting tends to be in glimpses. Not easy to describe. No village domestic product statistics, and it would be hard with even that as a reference.

For the record, it was this article that set me off on this line of thinking. I was horrified when I first saw it and was seriously considering an Afd when I realized they had a WikiProject, rules, and everything! Student7 (talk) 15:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sioux Falls, Iowa

Have you tried contacting the registry about the error? Obviously this needs fixing at the source. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Mayfield

I actually took the picture, but I dont remember what street. I will go back and see. I live about a mile from there.--«Marylandstater» ^«reply» 22:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Database

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Ubet, Wisconsin

Hi! Would you please take a look at the Ubet, Wisconsin article. The original editor put in a map where Ubet was thinking Ubet was a town. Ubet is not a town-it is an unincorporated community in Polk County, Wisconsin. Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hi

I've seen your name before. Just minutes after I edited about a small Kansas town that I found under "random article" you fixed what I wrote. So fast!

How was this done? You looking over me? You looking over the town? You looking over recent changes? Just curious. Chergles (talk) 16:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Lalah Hathaway

I think this might clarify it. :) Garion96 (talk) 21:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Birmingham Friends Meetinghouse (and School)

I was up there not too long ago (the edits are pursuant to an article I'd like to write on the subject in the not-too-distant future, as it happens), and it seems to me that the school really isn't a separate entity from the meetinghouse. In fact, looking at their website, it looks like the "school" is really just Sunday school, and the day school is long gone. Since there's no separate school structure, I think it best to have the article title reflect the meetinghouse only. Especially as a cursory web search reveals that the only pages using the "and school" appellation are related to the NRHP in some fashion, and goodness knows the Register uses some odd naming conventions, sometimes. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, believe me, I do. There's a surprisingly large amount available online. :-)--User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 23:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Historic furniture?

Hi. I replied to your message on my own talk page... --Orlady (talk) 00:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Maine and other coordination

Actually i am liking our cooperation in doing the state NRHP lists very much. I haven't experienced any edit conflicts and I am not aware of any duplications of effort, but perhaps you work off-line some, while I mostly do not.

Within cooperation, perhaps we can specialize even more than we have been doing. I believe, relative to you and Sanfranman59, that I do more in the way of what might be called "external relations". By this I mean linking in the NRHP site info into external disambiguaton pages and other pages sharing names with NRHP sites. This can involve setting up "otheruses" links and creating new disambiguation pages, which in turn can require creating a stub article or two (to defend the new disambiguation page from those who would delete it if it links to no actual articles). This is time-consuming, but I have gotten fairly efficient at it.

It is easiest for me to do this stage when the Elkman table has been pasted in, but the old list items have not yet been processed. In the newly pasted tables, I can visit the bluelinks to check if they point to an existing dab (in which case i can add the NRHP site or fix it up in various ways and/or tag it for further cleanup using "NRHP dab needing cleanup") or to an unrelated article (in which case I can move it to make way for a disambig page and start that disambig). Also, I can scan the new table for red-links that seem like they are common names, probably needing a dab to be created (for example, just now, came across a red-link "Gould House" and I figured there would probably be others, nation-wide, so it would deserve a disambig page, so I checked using Elkman's "who has" tool and found that indeed there are multiples, so i set up the dab).

I've finished that for Knox County within the main ME list-article just now, and am working on Somerset County. Do you want to do the rest of the processing for Knox county, and otherwise proceed specializing like this? I could mark my completion of such external relations with a note at the top of the "old list to be cross-checked" sections. doncram (talk) 17:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

finished that for Somerset, in main list-article, and also finished that for York County, separate article. Am done with those 3 counties for now then. doncram (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Help with State Map in infobox

I was looking at Gwinnett County Courthouse entry and noted that the map is for the county of Georgia, not the US State of Georgia. Just referring this along ... Ted--Pubdog (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

HD for two sites in Kent Co., MD

I see the HD designations on National Register of Historic Places listings in Kent County, Maryland for Lauretum and Thornton (Chestertown, Maryland) were returned. That is fine, but I don't see how these properties could be historic districts? Could the National Register database be wrong? I compare the entries agains the Maryland Historical Trust database. The latter does not indicate them to be HDs. Thanks for your consideration, Ted--Pubdog (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Cool --- thanks for taking care of that--Pubdog (talk) 13:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Earleville, Maryland

Can you take a look at Earleville, Maryland? An unregistered user added an unreferenced comment concerning "Opera singer, Nathaniel Gioconda." Should anything be done abt this? Thanks in advance--Pubdog (talk) 13:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that! --Pubdog (talk) 02:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Old Post Office (Iowa City, Iowa)

this is a cc message: Hello Ctjf83! The Old Post Office article is part of an effort to get all NRHP properties a Wikipedia stub, as per the Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places mandate. I take lots of photos all over Iowa, some of which include NRHP buildings. As I go through my photos, I put any NRHP images I can find on Wikipedia as a stub, using the NRHP template. For a lot of these, I have no info other than what the Elkman NRHP infobox generator produces. If you want to pitch in, great. User: Nyttend Talk has helped to illuminate some of these buildings, I’ll cc him and see if he wants to weigh in. If you don’t think the policy of stubs for all NRHP properties is a good one, please discuss at the NRHP project page. Thanks! Billwhittaker (talk) 17:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Ctjf83 wrote: Do you plan on expanding this page? Other wise I think it should be nominated for deletion. User:Ctjf83 Talk 00:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

The expansion looks good! Nice Work! Billwhittaker (talk) 18:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Philadelphia districts

You weren't the only one who was confused. It was decided that 7 lists were better than having 12 (one for each district). I guess I saw were it said 12 districts, and thought it referred to the number of lists. If you'll note, I say 7 now instead of 8 because for some reason I had thought there was an East Philadelphia. See what happens when you edit late at night and are tired ;-) --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 17:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I had thought the number of districts was related to the number of lists that there were going to be and mistakenly changed it. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 18:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Huron Township, Ohio

OK, I understand and accept your removal of my post of 19 February with the Bicentennial web site link. You are right that the web site does not directly mention the township. However, a story in the Sandusky Register on February 14th (http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2009/02/14/front/1152247.txt) states that, in a ceremony held at the Huron City Hall on Feb 12, that it was a day "...to celebrate the history of the city and township." There are several instances of cooperation between the City of Huron and the Township. Huron Township fire trucks sit in the City of Huron's firehouse and vice-versa. The township's building inspector also performs the city's building inspections. The bicentennial committee is another. I thought, and still do think the bicentennial this year should be mentioned. I would welcome your suggestions. Zars (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Trin-i-tee 5:7

Is it possible for me to add video screenshot of the group in concerts and music videos to the group's profile under this upload form (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=en-screenshot&wpUploadDescription={{Non-free%20use%20rationale%0A%7CArticle=%0A%7CDescription=%0A%7CSource=%0A%7CPortion=%0A%7CLow_resolution=%0A%7CPurpose=%0A%7CReplaceability=%0A%7Cother_information=%0A}}) Tarysky (talk) 18:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Old Joppa Site

On the National Register of Historic Places listings in Harford County, Maryland I see you removed the direct link from Old Joppa Site to Joppatowne, Maryland. I had created a separate page for Old Joppa Site, but when I checked the Joppatowne, Maryland article, it already included much of the text I had prepared for the Old Joppa Site article. Therefore, I decided to scrap the Old Joppa Site article and merge it with Joppatowne, Maryland (i.e. the infobox, etc.) Was this OK to do or do you think there should be a separate article for Old Joppa Site? I merged this based on all the other historic districts that direct to communities and do not have separate pages just for the historic site. Please advise.--Pubdog (talk) 17:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

NRHP headers

Will do. I failed to notice the counts in the introductory paragraphs of the Maine lists. Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways. I'll try to do better in the future. So many details ... so few brain cells. --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Louisiana and D.C.

Been working on List of RHPs in LA, it's half-done in terms of setting up the tables and doing a pass through for fixing external disambiguation pages. I moved the not-done-second-half to a sandbox to keep working on. It would be great if you cared to develop the first half further, and/or i will get back to it myself. Also, you may have noticed List of RHPs in DC has had a bunch of people working on it, is headed for a geo split by quadrants and/or neighborhoods soon. It's ready for the kind of editing you're better at than me, just in case you have some free time for it. :) doncram (talk) 05:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Cool, have fun in CO. doncram (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

John A. Green Estate

Dear Nyttend, I believe you placed the following notice on the John A. Green Estate page. {{refimprove}} I have added some references since then. I'm wondering if the article now meets the required citations. Kepper66 (talk) 13:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Nyttend, I'm learning as a go. Since you did remove the notice, I must have done something good. Kepper66 (talk) 15:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Tisch Mills, Wisconsin

Hi!Please take a look at Tisch Mills, Wisconsin.One of the editors had put a speedy deletion that was deny.Also I got the Manitowoc County template right-I hope.Hope you are well.Thanks-RFD (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Town name (town), Maine

Hi again, the Berwick thing came up because I noticed that there was a Berwick (town), Maine and a Berwick (CDP), Maine article. I have gone ahead and changed the (town) article back to simply Berwick, Maine. Unless you have a strong objection, I plan to do the same with the remaining Maine towns that are labeled this way. Here are my reasons:

• In New England, people think of the entire town when they use a town name, not just the town center. If an article points to Berwick, Maine, people are comfortable with the concept that this is the entire minor civil division (though most people aren't familiar with that term, either). The CDP, referring to just the built-up center of town, is simply not likely to be confused with the whole town. In fact, most people won't even be looking for an article on the town center - probably just statisticians. This is different from the case in Vermont where there are "Place name (town)" and "Place name (city)" articles, where the town and the city are entirely separate entities and are easily confused.

• It appears that Maine is the only state in New England where there are "Name (town)" articles to distinguish from the census-designated places. Massachusetts and Vermont have plenty of CDP articles and do not have their towns distinguished. And as you know, I went ahead and merged the New Hampshire CDP articles into their respective towns.

• Finally, it appears that even in Maine, the use of "(town)" in article titles has been inconsistent. Many towns with CDPs still have article titles of only "Town, Maine".

Anyway, I'm going to be moving slowly on this, but I think that as long as the CDP is linked within the town article, it's preferable to have the whole-town articles use the normal "Town, State" title. Sorry for the lengthy verbiage... --Ken Gallager (talk) 15:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Notables from Kenova, West Virginia

Hi, Nyttend. Would you mind taking a look at the notables at Kenova, West Virginia? I am confident that a link with a brief descriptive phrase would be sufficient rather than the paragraph that is there now. What do you think? Aramgar (talk) 23:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Thought so. Thanks. Aramgar (talk) 01:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Dorchester, IA

I am quite sure that you have noticed that I have now "undo" your edits two times. I ask that you please give me some of your input on how I can appropiatly add the information I want to add. If you have any other suggestions on what I can add to Dorchester, please let me know on my talk page. Thank you. - Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 00:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the note, I understand. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 03:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

NRHP list-article practices

I asked, over at User talk:Marcbela#NRHP list-article practices, for Marcbela to take care to do some disambiguation-related stuff when doing county/state list-articles. I wonder if i could ask you to do the same stuff, perhaps you do most but not all of it. In particular I would appreciate more eyes noticing problems with dab pages and using the "NRHP dab needing cleanup" tag to identify the problems, so that i can come fix them. Anyhow, I'd appreciate if you could take a look at what i wrote out at Marcbela's page. I'll ask Sanfranman59 and Dtbohrer, who i think are the others most active in doing NRHP tables now, too. Thanks, doncram (talk) 03:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Nevada

There are by county navigation templates, like {{Nevada State Historic Places/Clark}}, for Nevada as you will see in the various articles. If links are changed in this article, they should also be changed in the templates. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. There is even a top level navigation one. Maybe I'll put that on the list page and see how it looks. It makes navigation within counties a lot easier. BTW, I think I have now added articles so that each county has at least one article so the template does not have all red links. Clark County was all blue until I added the one just listed. I also cleaned up the colors on these so they are similar to the NRHP template. If you have a better set of colors to use, all help is appreciated. However I think that all of these county ones should probably use one color scheme. Probably not the best if every state chooses different colors from a style sheet perspective. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

No, I did not know about the NRHP version which does not appear to be well used. I'll consider slowly switching over to that version. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

German WP

I answered on my discussion page on de:Benutzer Diskussion:Matthiasb#Registered Historic Places. --Matthiasb (talk) 11:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend, the usual suspects (I'm not sure whether this expression works in English too) have been pouring in to Matthiasb's talk page. You might want to have a look at the page again. Regards, --X-Weinzar (talk) 22:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Copyedit

I'm doing a rewrite on the article for Ohio native Tim Richmond and I plan to go for GA when I'm done. It was in bad shape before I started. There are some redlinks related to Ohio municipalities. Would you look over and fix his "early life" section? Please respond here on your talk page if you have a response. Thanks! Royalbroil 14:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for you help! I still have more content to flesh out, so please don't waste your time to copyedit the whole article. Let me know if you want to copyedit it when I'm done. Royalbroil 15:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ohio lists

I was wondering if I could ask a favor of you? When creating NRHP lists could you tag them with banners {{OH-Project|class=List|importance=Mid}} and {{WikiProject NRHP|class=List}}? That would help out a lot. If not, I'll get to them eventually. Thanks, §hep^Talk 21:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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Marysville, Ohio

There is a particular problem on the Marysville, Ohio page with individuals solely interested in posting a discussion forum link at the bottom of the page. They are repeatedly vandalizing the page as well. One particular individual, Yahmez, has signed up, and the only edits this person is making is to add an external link to a discussion forum. This indicates the sole purpose is to advertise this website. Further,

       "One should avoid: 10. Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace and 
       Facebook),[1] chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), 
       USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists." Wikipedia guidelines on external links.  

Clearly posting this discussion forum link is for the sole purpose of advertising, while the website is not notable nor an authority in the area. It also appears to be against Wiki guidelines. I've attempted to discuss this with the individual, and my requests have gone unresponded to while they continue to repost the forum link. If you could help out here it would be appreciated.

Wiki Historian N OH (talk) 20:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Arkansaw, Wisconsin-

Hi there is another map for you to take a look at-the Arkansaw, Wisconsin article in Pepin County, Wisconsin.I am not sure how accurate the map might be.Thanks-RFD (talk) 15:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks-RFD (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

216.14.253.50

Can you block 216.14.253.50 (talk · contribs) for a while please. Thanks. > Best O Fortuna (talk) 22:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Y Done I saw this message and blocked the user for a week. Royalbroil 00:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Kurukshetra University (Kurukshetra)

Could you take a look at Kurukshetra University (Kurukshetra)? It's a direct copy of the previous article, Kukshetra University, which you deleted in December as a copyvio. Should it be redeleted? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 06:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Hilo

Perhaps page protection for several weeks? :) Postoak (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Huntington street addresses

That doesn't surprise me. I know folks who have lived here for 50+ years who can't remember that avenues run east-west and streets run north-south. I'll make sure to leave a note if I see any more errors. Cheers. youngamerican (wtf?) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

PS--Time permitting, I plan on snagging some pics of these locations over the next several days/weeks. youngamerican (wtf?) 12:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Curran, Wisconsin-

Would you please put the Curran, Wisconsin article on your watchlist? Curran is a town in Jackson County, Wisconsin.Howver, some anon editor keeps changing this to Kewaunee County, Wisconsin-there is an unincorporated communty of Curran in Kewaunee County.I try to explain this to the anon editor on the editor's talk page.The same editor also left a message on the Curran, Wisconsin article talk page claiming the geo coords are wrong! Sigh...as I told RoyalBroil trying to keep Wisconsin's political subdivisions especially the towns in some form of order including reverting vandalism or misinformation is like herding cats at times.Do ypou have that feeling at times also?Many thanks-98.125.61.117 (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)My apologies I forgot to sign in-that happens sometimes-RFD (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I created a brief history section for the town of Curran with a citation from the Wisconsin Historical Society.Hopefully this will resolve any problems-Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Wilmington, Delaware

Thanks for finding the error with the Obidiah Dingee House! We know that there are typos besides this in many National Register of Historic Places listings; if you find others, could you please list them here? We've been in contact with people at the Register and are hoping to use this page to see simple errors corrected. Thanks again! Nyttend (talk) 13:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The larger problem with this list is that Register lists the original purpose of the building, not what it is currently called. So the Delmarva Power and Light Building is known locally as the College of Art and Design. I'll take a stroll along Market Street with all the addresses there because I suspect Wikipedia has a lot of these articles already out there but under their current names. RevelationDirect (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

You added Bellvue [sic] Light House before I got to the list! Thanks. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Reliable source for climate data

Hi Nyttend. I'm looking for a reliable source for climate statistics, and thought you might be able to help. I used Weatherbase.com for weather data for Hillsboro, Oregon, but the RS question has arisen at FAC. I'm hoping that you might be able to suggest a source that clearly meets the RS requirements. Thanks in advance for any advice. Finetooth (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. The other editors I consulted all said the same thing. The Weather Channel it is. I've fixed Hillsboro, but I should also fix Laramie and several others. I did them all the same way. The data from both sources is similar. It's a smidgen of rain here and a half-degree of temperature there, so I think no one will notice the difference until I find time to do the fixes. Finetooth (talk) 19:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Wilmington, DE images

Thanks for the message. I do have some already on Commons, nearly all of Hagley. See commons:Special:Contributions/Ukexpat. I will see what else I can do. – ukexpat (talk) 16:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Allamakee Community School District

Hi, do you think the page I quickly came up with is viable and to Wikipedia standards. I am just starting it. If you want to, please give me some advice to make it better. I have not been as active on Wikipedia and therefore I have lost some of my good editing techniques. Thank you Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 03:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I thank you a lot, you are great at editing. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 04:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC) Also, did you take a look at Dorchester, i add some info to it.

Your Vacation

Hope you have fun and enjoy. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Decorah, Iowa

I would just like to know, why you don't think that the Chevy dealer attempt on the Decorah page does not belong in the national chains part under economy. I am guessing that by the IP address, that person may be affliated to that Chevy dealer in Decorah. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 00:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment, I understand! Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Northeast Iowa Conference

I am just wondering if I should create the Northeast Iowa Conference (high school sports) as a category? I think I should and link high schools to it.Do you know how I can find out how to create one. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 23:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

No I am not linking them to city pages, but rather the high school pages on Wikipedia, I'll take a look at creating that page very soon. Thank you. Hope you vacation is well! Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 20:05, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of J Stalin

An article that you have been involved in editing, J Stalin, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J Stalin. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Troyster87 (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh you voted in one of its AfD. I nominated it for AfD and was trying to notify all the editors and voters but failed miserably, I wish I could figure it out but It's sorta hard.Troyster87 (talk) 06:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Michigan lists

I figured I'd finish moving the articles before I started switching the date template (I think Michigan is the last state still using the separate template). There are still a bunch of redirects for counties that haven't been split out yet that still use the old naming, though. Also, any idea of what should be done with these lists for the counties of Gladwin, Kalhaska, Ogemaw, and Osceola that don't have any listings. Hope your enjoying your vacation :-) --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 03:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Nyttend. You have new messages at MuZemike's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

MuZemike 23:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Pressure ridge

I replied at the section on the reference desk. Glad you brought that up. I was able to find some images and correct the article, the ridges are probably more common on sea ice. Thanks. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 16:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

First hundred thousand

Congratulations on reaching 100,000 quality edits! You've improved Wikipedia a lot. We couldn't have done it without you! Thanks. Student7 (talk) 21:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

invitation

You're invited to sign up as a founding member, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#WikiProject Historic Sites ! :) doncram (talk) 05:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

How do you create an article?

I've never created a page before and would love to know how to do it for:

Rocker, Montana Ramsey, Montana Melrose, Montana

Butte Roughriders

Kinda wanted to get all of the communities of Silver Bow County up there without red dead links to nothing.--seattlehawk94 (talk) 12:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Will do!--seattlehawk94 (talk) 12:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Labor history edits

Hi, please be aware that i have full reference information for all labor history edits. I had to interrupt editing to take someone to the hospital. best wishes, Richard Myers (talk) 07:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Hawaii Historic Places

Hello, I am working on some of the Hawaii (island) pages. Just getting started so thanks for any advice. You recently fixed a typo I made in the National Register of Historic Places listings in Hawaii. But I was also trying to fix a red link which you reverted. The title of the article is just Kealakekua Bay which now mentions the historic district status. What I tried to do is have the table entry appear with the full name ("Historic District" appended), but link to the actual article. I am working on expanding the article too, but it is not worth creating another article - would a redirect make sense here? W Nowicki (talk) 00:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Toolserver/template problem

A couple of suggestions:

• If a template isn't working correctly with the toolserver, the problem could be with the template. Try posting at the template talk/discussion page.
• The template experts hang out at Wikipedia:Requested templates (it's not just for new templates, despite the name)
• I didn't see this mentioned to you (in my quick scan; may have missed), but I've seen and have offered the following advice: if you have a very technical question, the better place to ask is WP:VPT, where (among other things) the MediaWiki developers monitor postings. You might want to see if you can get any help at the above two places, first, however; it's considered relatively bad form, as you probably know, to post the same question on multiple pages at the same time.
• Finally, with regard to your posting at any/all of the above pages: it's quite problematical to post something like Several other pages (can't give any examples at the moment) say basically that such a page is not at the Toolserver. That is, it's almost absolutely necessary for you to provide a specific example of where your problem is occurring in order for another editor to be able to help you, because he/she is going to want to try to replicate the problem. At minimum, you need to provide the exact wording of the error message; that may trigger someone's memory.

Good luck; hope the above is helpful. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Cornville Natural and Recent History

To Nytend:

Regarding Cornville, Arizona.

Before starting I wanted to mention that I read your list of interests and I was surprised that we share quite a number of interests in history. I was impressed by the amount of volunteer contribution you make as a Wikipedia Administrator.

1. First, the section on natural history. Cornville is a small town; I am not sure that the geologic and descriptive aspects are better described in other substantial sources. There are a couple of papers that mention Verde Valley geology tangentially, and there are charts and tables on display at local museuams and natural monuments. My own knowledge of these were augmented by completion of a geology course by Dr. Paul Handverger in the 1970's. He was investigating reopening of the nearby UVX coppermine. However, I think it would be inaccurate to attribute one or another statement to him, particularly of facts that were already generally known by his listeners. If Wikipedia simply cannot treat uncited information, I will add something, although at this level such citation becomes more totemistic than anything else. The beauty of Wikipedia is that if my information about say "house Mountain" being a "miocene sheild volcano" is wrong, they are free to suggest "no it was a pliocene cinder cone" or whatever. I should mention I was a long term resident of the area, my father was born there and my family has been in one part of the town or another since the 1880's so the information I am providing is not speculative. It would be senseless to suggest that information is better for no other reason than because one can quote another person having said it. As to the physical description of Cornville, having lived there over a long period, I am able to describe things with greater accuracy than an entire team of publishing academics visiting the area for say a week. Again, part of the charm of Wikipedia for many of us is that Wikipedia makes possible the compilation of a much greater body of information than would be possible for a commercial excyclopedia but this will not happen if we require an academic citation as an essential entry condition.

Which brings me to another point. You permit to remain the cite of a letter by a forest ranger (one whose name I do not remember ever hearing) who attended a gathering of the pioneers (all of the living of whom circa 1965-2000 were very well known to me and which gathering is unidentified as to year or group) reciting a version of a legend inaccurately (it is a legend I heard many times, it is probably half local folk yarn and it is one the mysterious forest ranger clearly misheard) and cited by a person on a website whose connection to Cornville is unclear (though I am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. These are not the weightiest matters in the universe) Even without my lengthy argument here it should be clear that the material that remained from before was more probalematic than the material removed.

2. Regarding the human as opposed to natural history, I have a considerable amount of direct knowledge of facts and events concerning the town. That the ruins are of the Sinagua is a matter of general knowledge (because this is rather clearly stated as I hae observed in the museums of many national momument) as are some of the stories of early settlement. That being the case notwithstanding I have endeavored, in consideration of the standards of Wikipedia and the spirit of trying to abide by the standards, to cite 3 of the only references that even exist in print to the history of Cornville. If the form of the citations is problematic I humbly request that you direct your edit to having me correct that (I am new to this). If you do not think the references appropriate in some way I would like to know how you conclude that (The references in two cases are recorded eyewitness accounts by the original settlers and I think I also referred to the US census)

Your forbearance and understanding and your kind assistance where appropriate are grately appreciated.

For this reason (and not to be difficult) I undid the deletion. You have undone my addition again with no further explanation and in light of the fact that I have provided improved corrected and I found it in a very unsatisfactory state when I looked it up.

Best Regards

Grady Loy

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GradyELoy" —Preceding unsigned comment added by GradyELoy (talk • contribs) 17:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Cornville 2

"Those Early Days" is a book published in a series of editions by an organization (of Sedona Pioneers and residents interested in History) called The Sedona Westerners. It was first published in the 1930's and an expanded and much more professionally and widely published version (that I cited)was published in the 1970's. AARP is "American Association of Retired Persons". They published the second source I referred to though apparently with some Northern Arizona University cooperation in obtaining the first person accounts that made up the book.

I humbly and gratefully welcome any corrections to the form of the citation I used - perhaps that is the way forward- but the publications I used are both publications in the first case a publication with over a 60 year history that is still selling, and they are considerably weightier in that sense than the site that was used for the reference to the Putsch letter (though again as a long term resident I tend to find Scott's observations at least not generally to be contrary to what I know). Frankly speaking they are two the only four accounts of the period and area in question of any significance. The AARP book is also available in Public libraries in the region. I am not a member of either Sedona Westerners or AARP but have known several members. A sufficient number of volumes were published at various times that the book appears in the relevant Arizona Historical Museums and I suspect an appreciable number of public libraries and is still available in bookstores in the region.

I would propose that you need some system (perhaps probational, perhaps with appropriate indication) where first hand information is provided. A simple correlation between publishing and suitablity for inclusion in Wikipedia I think will eventually prove problematic. My objections to the Putsch letter remain. Who is the fellow with the website. What was the connection of the Ranger whose letter he cited and Cornville?

Secondly, and I am asking you because you are an Administrator with a prolific work record, how do I get information that is valid, and possibly useful into the Wikipedia article. The information for example that there are Sinagua settlements in Cornville or that there are beaver there (I know it because I have seen them) might be interesting or useful to someone but are hardly something that it is going to be worth someone's time to put in a book for sale. And if I self published or asked somebody else to publish the information (in the way it has been done with the Putsch letter) in a website does that not defeat the whole purpose of trying to avoid unsubstantiated information? (I also have copies extensive interviews with persons now long dead who were eyewitnesses to events of that period. How to cite these)

If you can suggest a way I can legitimately enter information on the physical surroundings of the area I would appreciate it and in the meantime I will try to find publications that verify what I have said. I would like to repair this article and provide some interesting and to some useful information if I may.

Best Regards again

Grady —Preceding unsigned comment added by GradyELoy (talk • contribs) 19:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Cornville Again

Sorry I was away on business for a few days. I have had a look at your suggestions and advice regarding sources and will adjust my most recent Cornville Post to comply. I know you probably do not have time to spend with lots and lots of other things going on but I would be happy to run it past you with corrections and new or improved citations (I would rather do that and learn of problems before posting than to have it go on and off again) In any case I will honestly seek to deal with all the points you raised.

I do not understand why the original historical paragraph (not by me) was reinstated after you removed it. It suffers from all of the original defects that led you to remove it before. It was hearsay and unsupported hearsay at that. I have heard the rudiments of the same story as ranger Putsch - still have no idea who he is, whether he existed, what his connection with that area. Putsch has gotten the matter a little wrong in any case (I heard the story told numerous times by some who were actually present for the events). While I can appreciate that Wikipedia will require a citation to allow the introduction information, it should follow necessarily that any old citation is enough. It was the inadequacy of the original Cornville history entry that moved me to go to the trouble to try to contribute something better. Is it necessary that I challenge this formally in some way, and if so what is the proper procedure?

Please let me know the better way to proceed before reposting (should I correct and repost or send the corrected entry to you before reposting?)

Sorry to be trouble on this. If I get it right this time I suspect I will be less trouble for you in the future. I do mean to participate. Each of us has areas of expertise where we can serve as a source of information and I hope using Wikipedia and complying with your standards to make sure that the reading public has at least as factually correct information as I can provide on areas where I am suited to provide it.

Best Regards

Grady Loy

GradyELoy (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

MOS Hawaii

Thanks for all your work regarding Hawaii articles! (and all your work in general...). I made a redirect page for the Hawaii Manual of Style as I have always wanted a quick way to point editors to it. We can now use wp:mos:hawaii in the edit summaries when appropriate... Mahalo! :) --Travis Thurston+ 02:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Your question...

Hi, I answered your question at the help desk just now, and I'm informing you here because you had requested it. The link is ok as I have explained there, but you'll have to decide if it is needed per Wikipedia:External links. Cheers. Chamal ^talk 04:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

HD Question

Hi Nyttend. I saw your Help Desk question and looked at the site. Neither WoT nor SiteAdvisor has vetted the site yet. (I'll post it to both as a request to vet the site.). The pages appear to be acceptable, and I see no indication of porn. I don't feel completely comfortable reverting the edit without some indication that it is inappropriate. As I do respect your request, I'll try to find some reason to move the link to the talk page for discussion - geesh... Anything further I'll post to the article talk page, and you can address from there I guess. (wiki-gods have mercy on my soul) — Ched ~ ^(yes?)/_© 05:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I restored the link, and posted to the talk page of the article. lol @ Wheel of time - actually I was referring to Web of Trust. The best part was when I did the (TW) restore AGF - it popped up my talk page to issue a warning to myself. ... LOL. Oh well, it's all yours now Nyttend. Sorry for the confusion. — Ched ~ ^(yes?)/_© 05:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Removing info from Honanau?

Hello, it looks like you removed the information I added to the Hōnaunau, Hawaii article? The comment was "Need a reference for the park"? The link should have worked to go to the Pu'uhonua o Honaunau National Historical Park - what exactly was wrong with it? After all, the name of the park includes the town name in it ("Place of refuge in Honaunau"). If you followed the link you would see the coordinates are nearby. Actually it looks to me like the coordinates for the Hōnaunau, Hawaii article are on a lava flow just North of the park entrance. Your reference #1 on the article or any reasonable map should show where the park is. Is your map incorrect? And of course in Hawaiʻi as you probably know, there are no incorporation boundaries of cities or towns. The traditional Ahupuaa ran from the coast (where the park is) to higher elevations (the Honaunau post office elevation is about 1000 feet, at the Belt Road).

The coordinates listed in the National Register of Historic Places listings in Hawaii page for the park are not correct, by the way. Also Honaunau (without the diacritic) goes to the Census Place, not the town info. I would be happy to fix some of these issues if we agree on a consensus in a reasonable discussion. That might be more productive than undoing my edits. Is the goal to have correct information in the articles or not? W Nowicki (talk) 01:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks (Mahalo) for your patience with a new user; you are much more familar with the mechanisms involved. My point about Ahupua'a was that questions about exactly is in a "town" in Hawaii are not very precise. I grew up in Wisconsin which has a strict set of Township boundaries. It sounds like we are on the same wavelegth now. I will try to do my part and dig out some references for the historical info. W Nowicki (talk) 19:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

So?

Dude, that "So?" comment on Butte, Montana was pretty insensitive. There are alot of parents who lost children/parents and a few people I know who's family lost all traces of people laid to rest at Holy Cross. I'm still trying to find out if my family's gravesites still exist because I know exactly where the plane crashed.

Saying "So" about a the death of 17 people and the loss of shrines to lost family members is...Pardon my French...Bullshit....There are people who are both directly and indirectly involved reading that article and "So?" really is a pretty big slap in the face to people hurt by this sad event.

I respect you, not calling you out but...It kinda pissed me off..--seattlehawk94 (talk) 06:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if you felt it was a "personal attack" but....It was a question, a "personal attack" wouldn't involved words such as "I respect you"..

I'm sure you weren't saying "So?" about that but....You realize people from around the world and area as well as some family's involved are reading that page to gather info and seeing someone saying "So?" is going to be taken as such.

I'm sorry for offending you, but I didn't attack you personally...Again, I respect you...I think you are a damn good Wikipedian, but it hits really close to home and I took it at the time as kinda jaded.

I do think the edit should be in there, there is a whole PAGE now about it. Wikipedia might not be a "news source" but when 17 people are killed it's more than local news.--seattlehawk94 (talk) 14:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem....Just kinda bothered by this whole incident...--seattlehawk94 (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Typo on the Holy Cross thing....It's Holy Cross Cemetery, not run by the Holy Cross or anything probably wouldn't have caught that typo myself. Kinda weird putting stuff into an encyc that actually affects me personally.....Not really catching small errors, thanks!--seattlehawk94 (talk) 05:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Michigan Indiana shipwreck in NRIS database?

Hello, Nyttend. Can you explain this listing by the National Park Service Archeology Program if the Indiana shipwreck is not listed on the NIRS database? Can you suggest a way to verify this other than the database? The boiler from this ship is on display in the Smithsonian --Wpwatchdog (talk) 17:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I will try contacting the NPS Archeology Program to see if they can explain why the Indiana is not listed. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 20:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Butte FAC

Does it seem as kinda crazy to you as it does to me that I tried to get that page as a featured article last week and it kinda defacto made it?

Unreal....--seattlehawk94 (talk) 05:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Mutoh Holdings Co. Ltd.

Why was Mutoh Holdings Co. Ltd. deleted? The reason states blatant advertising, whereas it just lists a company structure. It's solely informative, nothing that states that the company is beer than the rest or so.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by .IT (talk • contribs) 07:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Steamboat Bertrand

Hi Nyttend- No photo preference. Keep up the good work! Bill Whittaker (talk) 15:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Orleans county spam

Labeling a book in Orleans county, Vermont (Glover, Derby, Barton, etc.) as "Hemmenway's" was not the editor's intent to WP:SPAM it. Abigail Hemmenway is long dead and the book well out of copyright and probably print. The idea was probably to distinguish it from other histories of the area, most notably "Child's" Gazetteer (which was mainly a commercial county listing of the 19th century). My suggestion would be to leave the identification as "Hemmenway's History" rather than to label it with the organization who has filed it, the Orleans Historical Society. I promise they won't sell many copies as a result of this changed listing. Student7 (talk) 12:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I follow you, but to me an exaggerated example would be listing the Miriam-Webster Dictionary as "New York Public Library." I agree that Hemmenway is hardly Miriam-Webster, but it just doesn't seem quite on.Student7 (talk) 20:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Independence, Kansas

The name of the section is (N)otable (N)atives. Used NN without thinking. Wikiese NN is Not Notable. You have to cut me some slack, Bro, I'm still a little wet behind the ears. Thanks, for bringing that to my attention; with your help, I'll get it right sooner or later, but remember, its hard to teach a old dog new tricks. BTW, keep an eye on Derek Schmidt, one day he will be Governor of Kansas. Cuprum17 (talk) 22:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Tabernacles

To the LDS community, a broad definition of a "tabernacle" would be "any place where the Spirit of God can dwell." Tabernacles are dedicated buildings, usually used for larger gatherings. They aren't held in the same regard as temples, and are sometimes used for public gatherings with little religious nature. The strong connection with public history and public gatherings is probably why so many tabernacles have historical significance in the mountain west. Life in many towns would center on the tabernacle. Wrad (talk) 04:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The tabernacles were used for larger, annual or semi-annual meetings in addition to their normal use for weekly meetings. They were built as sort of a hub for several surrounding communities that would have had their own meetinghouse. So, since they were in larger communities and had a important role in bringing the surrounding communities together, they were larger and better built. So more of them still exist. That, and their central role in the early LDS communities, is why they are on the register. Tobyc75 (talk) 18:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Frank LaGrotta

I've explained my edit on the talk page. Please join me in diiscussion there, toward the object of acheiving consensus. Thanks. Best, David in DC (talk) 19:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for laying out your opinion on the talk page. I sure wish you hadn't re-reverted me on the article page though. Instead, we need more talk, and from other editors. I've posted a request for other opinions at WP:BLP/N#Frank LaGrotta David in DC (talk) 19:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

"Town"

Is there a WP geography project guideline for using the word "town" only in a particular context? This is in reference to you changing "town" in one of my edits of Birmingham, Erie County, Ohio to "community"[5]. (I will not revert since both terms in their general senses are appropriate.) Mapsax (talk) 01:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

In the interest of readability, especially for the benefit of those whose native language is not English, there is much value in choosing words of fewer syllables rather than words of more syllables.

For that reason there is much value in saying or writing "town" rather than "community".

To say it another way, generally speaking, short Anglo-Saxon words are preferable to longer Latin-based words – unless, of course, there's a valid reason (for accuracy or specificity, for example) to use a longer word.

As a retired professor I've long used that principle in my classes and otherwise.

Best wishes to all, Doc. DocRushing (talk) 03:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Nyttend:

As you know, I trust, there are several meanings of the word "town".

An incorporated political unit (that is, a municipal corporation, usually a small one) is only one of those meanings.

Several of the other meanings pertain more generally to a settled area, usually regarded as larger than a village but smaller than a city.

According to Merriam-Webster and other authorities, there is no error, inaccuracy, or other incorrectness in using "town" in that sense.

Yes, in Ohio there are many towns in that sense, although in Ohio there is no political subdivision legally designated as a town.

If Mapsax wishes to use "town" in one of his own contributions, it seems appropriate to allow him to use his own "author's voice".

As always, best wishes to all, Doc. DocRushing (talk) 13:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not that concerned about it; if "community" is more common in WP articles, then that's OK with me. I do, however, think that a guideline on this should be noted in Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio. Mapsax (talk) 23:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)