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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jay Pritzker Pavilion/archive1

Feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jay Pritzker Pavilion/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:55, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible confusion with WP:ARCHIVE

Because someone might come here looking for help archiving a talk page, I've put up a little linky thing at the top of the page. I don't know of any policy regarding this sort of thing, so I just did it; if someone wants to remove it, feel free. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lx45803 (talkcontribs) 14:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

  • I don't think is very useful and it rather contributes to overcluttering the page. The page is viewed by a similar number of people as other WikiProjects, i.e. probably there are very few people, if any, arriving here in search of Help on ARCHiving. Elekhh (talk) 00:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Agree with Elekh - In years we've never once had someone come here and say - "oh! I'm looking for archives". Solution to problem that doesn't exist - sorry. --Joopercoopers (talk) 00:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured List Candidacy of List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines)

I nominated List of National Treasures of Japan (shrines) which is part of the WikiProject Architecture at WP:FLC. The criteria for featured lists are found here. Please add comments or questions to the nomination page. bamse (talk) 18:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The list is featured now and the nomination closed.bamse (talk) 10:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Steel building

I just wanted to let you know that I am going to make some additions to the article on Steel building. I wanted to make some changes to the types and components sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdolphin561 (talkcontribs) 25 February 2010

Style categorization: Beaux-Arts versus Neoclassical

I'm trying to clean up the categorization of "architecture by (US) state" for NRHP articles, and I've found a definite difference of opinion running around as to a lot of American what-I-would-call neoclassical buildings. Some of these are showing up as Beaux-Arts. For example, Low Memorial Library, which to me looks as 20th-century-neoclassical as they come, was categorized as Beaux-Arts. A little guidance on this would be helpful. Mangoe (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

You're on dangerous ground trying to do that: not all buildings fall conveniently into one category. French architecture sums up the difference, "the Beaux Arts style was a grandiose elaboration on the more refined neoclassical style", but you really need to study the subject in depth to make a judgement as to classification. The individual articles ought to provide that information but I assume you've found they do not. Put some links here to buildings you're not sure about?
Generally neoclassical buildings are older, from around 1800 onwards. Low Memorial Library is neoclassical (as the article correctly states): based on the Palladian model, the overall shape is strong and uncomplicated, and decoration is restrained. Federal architecture (1785 to 1815) is a subset of the neoclassical, but not all neoclassical buildings would be considered Federal.
Beaux-Arts takes its influence from the Baroque: more complex overall form, piling up of different elements in picturesque way, and rich surface decoration. The World's Columbian Exposition of 1893 popularized the style in the US. The architecture of the Capitol and other buildings in Washington DC are the best known examples. ProfDEH (talk) 21:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Beaux or non-Beaux?
Well, most of John Russell Pope's big DC buildings are neoclassical (or "classical revival-- is there a difference?). Yet I see on Jefferson Memorial the claim that it was "one of the last American public monuments in the Beaux-Arts tradition". And I'm looking at Administration Building, Carnegie Institution of Washington, which is claimed to be Beaux-Arts, and except maybe for the exaggerated quoins, I don't see it.
I'm willing to go with the NHRP statement for the most part, but I keep coming upon cases where something is claimed to be both, or where the text says "B-A" in one part and "neoC" in another. Mangoe (talk) 18:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Beaux-Arts seems correct for the Admin Building, partly because of the date (1910), maybe that balustrade round the top is a clue, and the exaggerated steps. Any more contentious buildings? ProfDEH (talk) 20:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I did manage to come across an interior shot that is definitely more along the Beaux lines. Right now I don't have any others for consideration, though I expect when I start plowing through the DC NRHP redlinks I'll come up with others. Mangoe (talk) 15:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
OK, here's two more cases: Indiana World War Memorial Plaza and Indianapolis-Marion County Public Library. The article on the Birch Bayh Federal Building and United States Courthouse refers to both as B-A, but the article on the war memorial claims its buildings are neoclassical, which I would agree with: the central building is a interpretation of the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, when it comes to that. Similarly, I see a lack of baroque detailing on the library. As the claim on the war memorial is cited in the case of its neoclassicism and not for the claim in the other article, I'm inclined to go with neoclassical anyway, but you can see the kind of issue I keep running into. Mangoe (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The Federal building is clearly Beaux-Arts, the library and war memorial equally clearly neoclassical in style, though they are part of a Beaux-Arts piece of civic design, and built by architects with Beaux-Arts training. The Beaux-Arts is based on the neoclassical but relates to a specific historic period. Neoclassical is more timeless, certainly spanning a much longer period. I said you were on dangerous ground... ProfDEH (talk) 21:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Part of the obscurity here seems to center around Category:Classical Revival architecture. Classical Revival architecture simply redirects to Neoclassical architecture, but the category system puts neoclassicism as a parent to Classical/Greek Revival, Federal, and B-A architecture. What I see is that the rest of the world often enough takes neoclassical to mean classical revival.
In general I'm only looking at cases where there are conflicting characterizations of the same structure. I'm not looking to pass judgement on (for instance) NRIS statements in isolation. One common case is people interpreting remarks about Beaux-Arts/City Beautiful planning as implying that the buildings in question are also B-A (e.g. the categorization of the Jeff. Memorial). This seems erroneous to me. Mangoe (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
My Indianapolis Architecture reference calls all the above Indy buildings Neo-classical or Greek inspired, and I too find that there is very little Beaux-Arts about them, other than the whole landscaping scheme. I am tempted to take my reference and make some changes in those articles and see what that churns up. Probably not today, but soon. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

square pyramid

Square pyramid, this one is the better for standing on Earthquake ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GuGG Anusond (talkcontribs) 18:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Rochdale Town Hall

Just a nudge that this article has undergone a complete rewriting, and a once-over from an expert may help it towards an eventual GA. WP:Architecture participants may even have access to additional source material that could help expand the page futher. --Jza84 |  Talk  17:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao DYK and GA

St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao was on 20 Jan 2010's DYK with a picture. It is also nominated for GA status, and could use some reviewers. I'm aiming to take it all the way to FA, so if anyone could help, by reviewing it, that would be appreciated. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 06:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Second Call for Editors

Come on, guys. I got an article in your WikiProject on the main page. Can someone take a few minutes to review it for Good Article Status? It would be much appreciated. ɳoɍɑfʈ Talk! 11:32, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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Architecture of the United Kingdom

Hello all, just a nudge that I'm looking for collaborators to work on a new version of the Architecture of the United Kingdom page. It is presently found at User:Jza84/Sandbox3. To avoid accusations of bias, please feel free to get involved. Please give me a quick note on my talk page if you wish to get involved. --Jza84 |  Talk  18:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Good work collecting material, but I'm not so sure about the structure. There is a danger here that this new article will rival Architecture of England rather than complementing it. That article is nicely set out by period, which makes the subject easy to understand at a glance, though obviously it lacks detail. Although there are regional variations, in fact the striking thing about the architecture of the UK as a whole is similarity, especially when you compare it with other European countries. The architecture of the UK is largely the same as the architecture of England. Maybe a merge would be the best approach - organise by historic period, which mainly corresponds to particular styles, and highlight specific local trends and highlights... ProfDEH (talk) 22:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Just to commend you on taking this on, I like your article. I could be wrong, but my feeling here is that "the best is the enemy of the good" - better to have something of that quality than what is there, and keep the separate Architecture of England and Architecture of Scotland articles. If I have some time I will try to contribute to your draft.
As for merging, Architecture of England used to be Architecture of the United Kingdom until a bold de-merge last September [1] rationale being the article was about english architecture. I wouldn't want to comment on whether England and Scotland are better together or apart (!) :-) but regardless Architecture of the UK clearly does need to discuss the UK as a whole, and so far as I can see your article achieves that.Finereach (talk) 23:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Categories for 'creative works' - music, visual arts (and architecture), music, literature etc.

Please see this discussion at the Arts Project about reorganizing high-level categories for 'art works', including the visual arts (and architecture), music, literature etc. Some specific proposals are here. We'd appreciate input from this project! Thank you. --Kleinzach 00:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Cross plan of churches?

St. Henry's Catholic Church in St. Henry, Ohio is built in the shape of a Latin cross. Do we have an article that covers churches built in the shape of crosses, such as something similar to cross-plan church? Help at the article would be appreciated. Nyttend (talk) 18:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

See Cruciform#Cruciform Plan.--Pharos (talk) 14:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured List Candidacy of List of National Treasures of Japan (castles)

I nominated List of National Treasures of Japan (castles) which is part of the WikiProject Architecture at WP:FLC. The criteria for featured lists are found here. Please add comments or questions to the nomination page. bamse (talk) 10:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It got promoted. Done. bamse (talk) 10:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Architecture Award

I posted a reward note for improving top importance 20th century architecture articles on the Reward board. Hope this would stimulate participation! Below is a copy of the conditions:

Elekhh (talk) 23:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


I've put a $50 bounty on Blenheim Palace for delivery to FA by 11 July 2010, if anyone here is interested.--Labattblueboy (talk) 02:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello from Serbia!

Cathedral of Saint Sava, largest Orthodox church in the world.

I just join in here! Just wanted to say hello, and to inform you that i am founder of Wikipedia:WikiProject Cultural Property of Great Importance, so as those monuments are largely architectural masterpieces of Serbian architecture, i will create (and already did) numerous architecture-related articles. I will add all architecture templates, so when ever you are interested in Former Yugoslavia, and especially Serbia's Architecture, i am here! All best!

Long live Architecture. --Tadija (talk) 21:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I suppose you could put the word 'Serbia' somewhere in the title so people know this is about Serbia not arhcitecture in general? ProfDEH (talk) 13:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


I have a couple of queries relating to this Wikiproject. To start with, why are there two different infoboxes, one for buildings before 1900 and one for buildings after? And why are there so few fields in the modern building infobox? Why also are images in the modern building infobox bigger than those in the older building infobox? Just a few anomalies I find puzzling. Gatoclass (talk) 09:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

New members list template

I made a mess of my registration to the project members list. I could not find the template anywhere so tried to do it manually. Mazbe I was just not looking in the right place.--Kudpung (talk) 19:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

You did it right actually: there is no automatic template. If you wish to improve the members registration page, your contributions will be welcome. Elekhh (talk) 05:36, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

FLC of List of National Treasures (residences)

I invite comments, questions and suggestions for the featured list candidacy of List of National Treasures of Japan (residences). The nomination page can be found here. bamse (talk) 10:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

The list has been promoted. Done. bamse (talk) 08:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

New pictures needed?

Ok, this isn't a bad page, but personally, the pictures are a little sub-standard. Could anyone find a couple good pictures to stick in? (talk) 19:12, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Not so clear what are you refering to? Elekhh (talk) 21:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

FP status of Montana state capitol 2.jpg

The Featured picture File:Montana state capitol 2.jpg has been nominated for delist due to lack of description of its relevance in related articles. If anybody has interest and time to expand the articles on George R. Mann, Montana State Capitol, and Arkansas State Capitol this will strenghten the case for maintaining the FP status. Also any informed comments on the EV value of the image at the delist nomination would be welcomed. Elekhh (talk) 22:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Done some expansion myself. FP status has been preserved, but there is still enough scope for improvements for those interested. Elekhh (talk) 21:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Al Hamra Tower and Nanjing Greenland Financial Center

I noticed that the Al Hamra Tower page is considered a low priority to the Architecture Project and that the Nanjing Greenland Financial Center is not even included in the project. Both will be in the top 10 tallest buildings in the world, and they are two of the coolest-looking buildings ever built. Nanjing received a lot of attention when it opened, and its wikipedia entry was largely ignored because it was so lacking in info and pictures. The Al Hamra is almost complete and will likewise get a lot of press, and I want people to find the wikipedia article full of relevant info. The website has a wealth of timelapse videos and photos, and other info. I'll contribute, of course, but I wanted to get the Architecture Project team excited about these two MAGNIFICENT buildings. They're so beautiful, and both very significant as 2 of the 10 tallest, both opening in 2010.Deproduction (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Thanks for notifying this wikiproject. I added Nanjing Greenland Financial Center. Note that the importance of these buildings for architecture is defined by the value of their design, not the dimensions of the construction. I suggest you also look for interested contributors at WP:WikiProject Skyscrapers - I'm sure they will give very high importance to these articles. Elekhh (talk) 05:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Selected picture candidates

The architecture Portal is in need for a new picture (the current one sits there since 2007). The portal has 5,000 views per month in average, and as such offers an important opportunity to attract new editors. There are a couple of new nominations for Selected picture to be featured on the portal. Feedback on current candidates as well as new nominations would be helpful for the wiki project and appreciated. Elekhh (talk) 06:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Help with Tudor Gothic

Not knowing a great deal about architecture I wasn't sure if there was an obvious place to direct Tudor Gothic. As seen here there are a few articles that link to the term. Could someone start an article or redirect to the most appropriate existing article? Thank you! -- Banjeboi 02:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Walls of Benin

Walls of Benin, a contender for the largest man-made structure on Earth, could use some serious attention. I just lost access to the New Scientist article, or I might try myself. kwami (talk) 07:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article Candidate: Go review it!

St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao is a current FA candidate. So far nobody has supported or opposed the nomination. Please make your opinion known. Review Page Here ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 16:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi all. First, I want to thank the one person with this WikiProject who reviewed the article and contributed comments. The article is stronger for it. For the rest of you, I could still use your help. Please take a look at St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao and express whether you Support or Oppose the nomination. The bulk of the work is done; now I just need your opinion. If you help, you'll get good Review Karma, and I'll help you with your articles as they need reviewing. Thanks! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 05:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Translation for Mosque of Uqba from the featured article in french wikipedia

Grande mosquée de Kairouan (in french wikipedia) is an excellent featured article about an important monument (architectural masterpiece) and religious building (one of the oldest great mosques and the oldest in the muslim west). The english article Mosque of Uqba is referenced but very short and do not give enough details while the article in French (Grande mosquée de Kairouan) is full of details about the architecture and decoration of this huge monument. It would be very interesting to translate the featured french article. Cordially Quincy2010 (talk) 20:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Architecture by country categories

Greetings. I've nominated the architecture by country categories for renaming to the format "Architecture of X" instead of the current "X architecture". Feel free to participate in the discussion here. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 01:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

John Portman

You have marked John C. Portman, Jr. as High importance. I have had an email from the firm with some suggested improvements which are posted by permission at Talk:John C. Portman, Jr.#Some updates. Please review these suggestions and edit as appropriate. I think it would be good to do this reasonably promptly as they have played a straight bat here and not edited the article directly, for fear of appearing to have a conflict of interest - something one can only applaud. Thanks, Guy (Help!) 21:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Missing architececture topics.

I've updated List of missing topics related to architecture - Skysmith (talk) 11:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I. M. Pei peer reviews welcome

Hello, good people who know much more about architecture than I do. I've spent a few months researching and reconstructing the article about Chinese-American architect I. M. Pei, and I'd like to send it to FAC soon. I think it's looking pretty good so far, but I'd like your thoughts. The article is currently at peer review, and I'd love to have someone from this project give it a thorough read to make sure I've not left out important bits.

Thanks in advance for your help! Scartol • Tok 19:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Industrial design

Hi guys! We just opened the Industrial design WikiProject for business and would appreciate if you could put a link to it in the 'Similar WikiProjects' section of your page. Thanks in advance! --AlainR345Techno-Wiki-Geek 05:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Wishing you success with the new WikiProject! Added link to the list of "sister wikiprojects". I'm sure we will cooperate on many articles. Elekhh (talk) 05:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
First of all, thanks on behalf of WikiProject ID for the link. Second, your reference to cooperation goes exactly along my line of thought. I'm not sure there is that much overlap in articles per se (I see it mainly whereas some architects are also furniture designers). But there is another, equally interesting and beneficial, possibility of collaboration. I recently brought to life the Design portal. In doing so, I carefully examined the coverage of design-related topics in existing portals and I narrowed the scope of the portal accordingly. You can see the result of that thinking here. Interior design/decoration is one of the included topics. It's not a critic of your WP, it's just a fact of life (as is acknowledged also in your WP main page). Therefore, we would greatly welcome ARCH people help. We already have in place a similar arrangement with the Graphic design WikiProject. Please ping us and I will lay out a couple of simple measures that will rapidly enhance Interior design visibility in Wikipedia. --AlainR345Techno-Wiki-Geek 20:35, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

These could be tagged ARCH WP, don't you think so? Talk:Architectural_technologist, Talk:CAADRIA, Talk:Architectural_animation, Talk:Architectural_geometry, Talk:Artificial_Architecture. Bye now, --AlainR345Techno-Wiki-Geek 23:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Zagreb Synagogue nominated for GA

Zagreb Synagogue, an article within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, has just been nominated for GA. Any kind of help or comments would be appreciated. You may want to take a look at the peer review and add your comments there, or simply in the article's talk page. Thanks! GregorB (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


I have nominated John Vanbrugh for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. —Ed (talkmajestic titan) 06:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

New Article - Strandbad Wannsee

I just assumed Strandbad Wannsee qualified for a WPA-tag. If I'm wrong, please let me know or just renmove the tag. If not, I'd appreciate input regarding where to put (category) or announce it (new article). Regards, --G-41614 (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Tag is OK, within scope. You can announce it in the bulletin if you wish. In terms of categorizing, maybe User:Lidos might be able to help. --Elekhh (talk) 12:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Thnx! --G-41614 (talk) 08:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Suspension structures

I am working on the Gerald Ratner Athletics Center and I am unable to find an article or category for this suspension structure. Any advice.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Suspension structure is missing indeed. Actually the whole topic is not yet well developed. Maybe somebody could start an article, as it is quite important, possibly with help from WikiProject Civil engineering. --Elekhh (talk) 02:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I am not qualified to start such an article, but I have created Category:Cable-stayed structures & Category:Suspension structures.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Edward A. Vincent

Maybe some of you historically minded architecture buffs can find a few more 19th Century sources for this one!--Mike Cline (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox World Heritage Site gives altogether the wrong information

This infobox has now succeeded in crowding out other types of infobox in the lead of nearly all relevant articles, but gives completely the wrong type of information for the general reader, with neither the date of the site, its location within a country, nor any description of what the site consists of being compulsory. Instead the box gives a range of bureaucratic file references to the UNESCO process that are of no interest to anyone but bureaucrats. This information should not be displayed but hidden in a show/hide bar, and the template should only display the basic information that general readers would expect. The articles covered by this template include, by definition, the world's most important architectural & heritage sites, and the current form of template lets the project down badly - see Giza Necropolis for a typical example. Please comment at Template talk:Infobox World Heritage Site#Gives altogether the wrong information. Johnbod (talk) 19:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Klis Fortress now open

The A-Class review for Klis Fortress is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Kebeta (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox merger notice

See Template_talk:Infobox_skyscraper#Merge_.E2.86.92_Template:Infobox_building.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Merging some huts

Please see Talk:Wilderness_hut#Merge.2C_again. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Need reviewers for a Featured Article Candidate

St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao is up for review at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao/archive3. Its only had two reviewers and is awaiting a few others. It is a quick and easy read, showing how this neo-Romanesque cathedral, built by German missionaries, weathered the coming of the communists and the cultural revolution. If promoted, it will be the only WikiProject Architecture FA of a cathedral. Please check it out! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 04:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Ditto I. M. Pei

The article on Chinese-American architect I. M. Pei has also been nominated for Featured Article status. Feedback is welcome! Thanks in advance. Scartol • Tok 22:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposing category for timber-framed buildings

I've searched in vain for a category suitable for buildings such as Little Moreton Hall, variously described as timber framed, half-timbered & black and white -- would it be appropriate to create one? The black-and-white style, in England at least, appears distinct from wholly wooden buildings, so Category:Wooden buildings and structures doesn't seem appropriate. Category:Timber-framed churches already exists, so perhaps Category:Timber-framed buildings under Category:Buildings and structures by construction material? Espresso Addict (talk) 00:13, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Be aware that there are many modern buildings which are timber framed - there's quite good summary at timber framing but it misses the whole modern category of Framing (construction). These are very different from the half-timbered historic buildings you are trying to categorise. So yes a timber-framed building category would be useful, but maybe we need a more specific category to cover the half-timbered type (exposed structural timbers) as opposed to the other type (timber structure covered with some kind of cladding). ProfDEH (talk) 07:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
It's a bit complex, as (in England, at least) many 17th C half-timbered buildings where the structure was originally exposed were encased in brick in 18th/19th C; also locally it's very common to build sham half-timbered buildings that don't have a timber frame but are loosely termed "black and white". But yes, modern timber frames are often of a fundamentally different type of construction that deserves a separate categorisation. Perhaps Category:Timber-framed buildings with a subcategory for Category:Historic half-timbered buildings? Espresso Addict (talk) 07:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Autonomous building

I am Mel Moench and I would like my site to be included on "autonomous building" on Wikipedia. I am considered the worlds leading researcher on autonomous homes or self-sufficient homes. See for more info. I have over 35 years research in the field and have authored several books on the subject. Please email for more information. Thanks for your time and concern........Mel Moench, author, "Planet Earth Home" and "Encyclopedia for Self-Sufficient Homes" —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Need your comment on an issue related to this WikiProject

At the FA talk page a discussion is going on about whether religious buildings like cathedrals should be filed under Architecture or Religion. Please give your opinion on this issue. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 14:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Athens Charter split

There is an ongoing discussion about the best way to split the Athens Charter article. Your expertise would be appreciated. --Elekhh (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helicoidal Skyscraper

FYI. postdlf (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


There are a lot of links to the Fenestration disambig; many are for the architectural concept. Normally, we would convert these into links to the wiktionary article, but perhaps the large number of links implies demand for a Fenestration (architecture) article. What do you think? --JaGatalk 12:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I've been working my way down the disambig links for fenestration, which led me here. I've been linking them through to either the wiktionary article (which could use a more encompassing definition) or window (which has an etymological definition of fenestration, as well as lots of examples). I'm not sure that a fenestration (architecture) article would be different enough to the window one.Kenchikuben (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Most popular Architecture articles

There is a new tool which can produce a monthly list of top most viewed pages for articles which fall in the scope of a WikiProject. I believe it would be very useful to help establish article improvement priorities. An example of how this would look like is here. Please indicate your interest/support for this tool to be set up for WikiProject Architecture, so that we can make a formal request. --Elekhh (talk) 09:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea to me. AmateurEditor (talk) 13:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
An excellent idea and a very useful tool for improving articles. I might even be brave and contribute to less obscure articles! Kenchikuben (talk) 06:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Opinion required

Include or not: Talk:List of ancient monoliths#Mausoleum of Theodoric. Thanks Gun Powder Ma (talk) 01:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Today's google doodle: Josef Frank

(copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography#Today's google doodle: Josef Frnak, since it is pertinent here too.)

The article we currently have on Josef Frank (architect) is rather small, and full of red links. Timely improvement of the article would be nice, since Wikipedia is google search hit #3 for his name. (When you click the google logo, it performs this search.) ...comments? ~BFizz 16:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying. Indeed there were 260,000 views yesterday. Embarrassingly many only found a stub at that time. Seems that somebody did a google translation of the German wiki article to save the day... I made some general repairs right now. It would be nice to further develop this article so that we also honour his 125th. --Elekhh (talk) 06:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


I have nominated Shotgun house for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

GA nomination for The Burnett Center

An article about an academic building, The Burnett Center, is up for Good Article status, if anyone here is interested in reviewing it.--GrapedApe (talk) 05:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

The article is tagged as a stub and it would need to lose that. The article suffers from repetition, possibly a lack of specialist knowledge of construction, and a lack of context that could easily be added from the sources already quoted. The link to Wikimedia is redundant as it leads only to the blurred low-resolution image already used. The article could be greatly improved by answering the following:
  • Why was the building built in a historical rather than a contemporary style? What is the architectural style of the rest of the campus?
  • Are the architects particularly noted for historical design? Are they well known, are they famous for an other building? Were other designs rejected? Was this an expensive option? This sort of design often upsets architects who think design should be contemporary: what was the critical reaction in the profession and in popular opinion?
  • The description of the construction is fragmented: either list the surface materials or describe the construction logically - for example is it a concrete framed building with stone cladding, or a steel frame with concrete floors? Are all the services located in the false chimney?
  • Were the demolished houses already part of the campus? We get more than enough details of which houses were demolished, but how was permission to demolish negotiated, why was the earlier refusal reversed?

ProfDEH (talk) 07:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

interview with Jacques Herzog from the acclaimed studio Herzog & de Meuron

Good day,

We write you from Studio Banana TV to inform you about a video that might be of interest to you. It concerns an interview with Jacques Herzog wherein he talks about the Caixca Forom building in Madrid. The video guides us through the design process by showing and explaining us what the building used to be like, its former and present relation with the rest of the city Madrid and the specifications of the brief Herzog & de Meuron had to work with.

We believe that this video offers a valuable view on the Caixca Forom building and Herzog & de Meuron's ways of working. Therefor we send you a link to the video and hope you are interested in embedding this on your wikipedia page.

The aim of Studio Banana TV is to create historical multimedia documentations of contemporary persons in the cultural and creative sector. With these documentations, Studio Banana TV wants to contribute to the understanding of the values and motivations of our time.

We wish you a pleasant day! Feel free to contact us if you have any questions. Kind regards, The Studio Banana TV team

(Videosonline (talk) 13:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC))

  • Thanks for your hint to this interview with Jacques Herzog about the Caixca Forum. Following Wikipedia's guidelines for external links I added it to the CaixaForum Madrid article, as I believe it adds value to the article, however please note that its long term placement will be subject to further reviews by wiki editors. --Elekhh (talk) 00:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind reply. We hope people like it!

James W. Strutt

Eager but somewhat confused new collaborator looking for constructive crit of article added about a Canadian Modernist Architect...used the portal metadata on the discussion page of the article, not sure if that is correct use, would appreciate feedback. Page is James W. Strutt: Architect. Thanks FairiequeenArch (talk) 15:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Charles Foreman Johnson

Hello, I'm from the de:wp and I try to do some fact checking about de:Charles F. Johnson (* 1928). Our article is without any reliable sources and I have some difficulties getting to the point of his notability/relevance/existence. It seems as if he is not a pure fake, as Architectural Digest 1983 mentions an architect with his name, and I find a “Boulder House“ designed by him. A former website about him [2] whith more or less the same biographical information from our article is unavailable and its domain has an at least questionable whois and creator information …

Our article says:

  • that he belonged to one of the most notable architects of the U.S.
  • 1958 “Master Of Architecture“ at University of Southern California
  • regular “keynote speaker“ i.e. at Michigan Architectural Design Competitions and Mexican Instituto Technologico y de Estudios Superiores
  • mentioned as one of the “Top 100 Architects of the World“ in the U. S. Architectural Digest
  • mentioned in Architectural Digest, Fine Homebuilding, Phoenix Home & Garden, The House Book, New Mexico Magazine, Hyperwest - Architecture On The Edge, Ambiente, Häuser, Madame, Wahnsinn Wohnen and Feng Shui Magazin
  • mentioned in the TV production America's Fantastic Architecture
  • In association with renowned architects he worked in many countries and contributed to the development of the architectural scene.
  • his (and his partners') clients were i.e. Kevin Costner, Larry Hagman, David Bowie and the family of the Belgian royal house.

I have an opinion about this case but I'd like to hear yours. Has anybody heard about this architect or can help out with some sources? Thank you! --elya (talk) 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for photographs and images

To help address the many requests for photographs People-photo-bot has moved article talk pages from Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of architects if it contains the template {{WikiProject Architecture}} or {{WP Architecture}}. Members of this project are invited to address the requests for images listed. Please note that some articles may now have an appropriate photograph and that the need-image flag has simply not been removed, this can also be checked using the Image Existence Checker link on the category page. If a page has been incorrectly moved please inform me on my talk page.--Traveler100 (talk) 16:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Maharishi Sthapatya Veda (MSV) architecture

MSV is a niche form of sustainable architecture developed by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of TM fame. It is in need of comments on the talk page regarding organization and off topic content. I have tried posting on the project RfC page but no one has responded. Can anyone help on this article? it needs some attention I think. Many thanks,--KeithbobTalk 13:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject Architecture to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 04:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

WP Architecture in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Architecture for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 06:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Need some help with the (neo-)Tudors

There is a long running dispute about Neo-Tudor/Tudor Revival/Tudorbethan architecture. The latest outbreak was set off by the merging of the Tudorbethan and Tudor Revival categories, which in turn had one of the bots renaming the parent article.

The line of argument that prevailed in the category discussion was that American sources (particularly the NRHP) almost always use "Tudor Revival", and have never heard of "Tudorbethan"; conversely we did not find British sources consistently using one term, and we found that "Tudorbethan" was often enough deprecatory, a viewpoint which is also perhaps too prominent in the article text.

This could definitely use a lot of participation from others; please see the discussion Talk:Tudorbethan architecture#Having it out over the name. Mangoe (talk) 16:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Please come help us on this: five people is not enough. Mangoe (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gafio

The article Gafio has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

A search for references (Gafio balcony) found no published (gbook) support for this article as written. The Itilian article is nearly identical and also without references. The primary images that show up are those posted on Commons for this article. Fails WP:N and WP:V

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 15:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Dutch gables and stepped gables

I found the stepped gable and Dutch gable pages and was amazed that there were no examples of this type of architecture from the Netherlands, where it was (and is) extensively used. An oversight or is it really not significant? Anyone who has visited the canals of western Holland will have seen hundreds of stepped and Dutch gables. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Architecture articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Architecture articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 00:10, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Started feedback here. --Elekhh (talk) 02:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Categorizing late 20th and 21st century architecture by style

I noticed a grand effort by User:Look2See1 regarding the categorization of late 20th and 21st century architecture by style. However as far I know there is no consensus among critics about such categories, contemporary architecture styles being labelled differently by critics as diverse as Kenneth Frampton, William J. R. Curtis or Charles Jencks. In this context labelling all contemporary architecture as modernist architecture is misleading and non-neutral. Categorizing prime examples of critical regionalism, postmodern architecture or deconstructivism as modernism is just plain wrong. My appeal to not make POV categorizations has been ignored. Community feedback would be appreciated. --Elekhh (talk) 06:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Suggesting a New Page for Review

How would one suggest a new page (Koning Eizenberg Architecture, Inc.) be reviewed by the WikiProject Architecture moderators for inclusion in their rating system? Thanks, ForEveryOccasion (talk) 21:46, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to participation!

Hello! As you may be aware, the Wikimedia Foundation is gearing up for our annual fundraiser. We want to hit our goal and hit it as soon as possible, so that we can focus on Wikipedia's tenth anniversary on January 15 and our new project: Contributions. I'm posting across these Wikiprojects to engage you, the community, to work to build Wikipedia by finance but also by content. We seek donations not only financially, but by collaboration in building content. You can find more information in Philippe Beaudette's memo to the communities here.

Visit the Contribution project page and the Fundraising page to find out how you can help us support and spread free knowledge. Keegan, Wikimedia Fundraiser 2010 (talk) 05:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

A very useful new toolserver tool is available that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, and is now set up for WikiProject Architecture as well. See the Architecture listing in one large table or by categories. Hope to be used and contribute to improving many architecture articles. --Elekhh (talk) 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Monadnock Building at FAC

The architecture article Monadnock Building is now a Featured Article candidate. People on this project may be interested in the review. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 21:38, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Deconstructivism FAR

I have nominated Deconstructivism for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --Elekhh (talk) 01:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Limelight

More participation in this discussion would be a good idea. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Zion Lutheran Church in Fredericksburg, Texas

Zion Lutheran Church (Fredericksburg, Texas) was part of Fredericksburg, Texas, but the content as it then existed on that page, took up almost the entirety of what was then "Fredericksburg in Religion". Because of the historic significance of the church, I felt it needed its own page. The wording was unchanged when I moved it over, and is not text of mine. Possibly, the text was lifted verbatim from a church brochure. I would encourage any interested editors who can re-work the text and provide verifiable sourcing to do so. The subject is worthy of its own page, but it needs considerable work. Maile66 (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Computer generated models

Hi, I am beginning to clean up articles around Computer-generated_imagery. Help with a few paragraphs in Computer-generated_imagery#Architectural_scenes about how architects use these methods will be appreciated. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 00:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Vanna Venturi House

I usually don't write general architecture articles - most often I just take pictures for WP:NRHP. But I've gotten started on Robert Venturi's Vanna Venturi House and will continue writing it up, probably over the course of 5-10 days. I should also be able to get another photo or two. Any pointers or help for a newby would be appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 18:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Excellent start for an important article: good progress so far. Also many thanks for uploading that comprehensive series of images. A better image of the iconic façade would be indeed good. Will be around if you need help. --Elekhh (talk) 19:58, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

fortress category tree

The entire fortress category tree has been proposed to be merged into the fort category tree, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 December 15. (talk) 06:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Portal: Selected picture

Seems that the current system of weekly/monthly nominations for selected pictures does simply not work. Therefore unless there are any objections, I will be replacing it with an automatic system which shows a random image from a pool which will be set up. This system is used now by many portals such as Portal:Renewable energy. For a start I will be adding images to the pool which have recognized quality (FP on Wikipedia or Commons, QI, or VI) and are used in articles within scope rated High or Top importance. The portal receives over 5,000 views per month and is an important display of the achievements of this WikiProject. --Elekhh (talk) 00:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Question: What is the Atomium?

It may sound like a silly question but I'd like to hear your opinions as to whether the Atomium is best described as a building or as a sculpture, supposing you have to say one or the other. You may want to reply here or on the article's talk page. Thanks, 9carney (talk) 17:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Sydness Architects

Dear WikiProject Architecture. I am requesting a review of the Sydness Architects page. It has already been deleted once and it was suggested by someone else that you should review it first. It is a notable firm because the founder worked closely with Philip Johnson and has many notable projects. I am associated with the firm and trying to correct the entry to sound non-biased. Below is the quoted advice about talking to you. Please help. "Instead of attempting to re-create this article again, only to have it speedily deleted again, why not leave a message on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture, explaining that you are associated with the company, that you think the company is notable and should have an article about it, give the highlights of what makes it notable (in your opinion), and ask if anyone there would be interested in starting an article. If that happens, you can then stay involved by making suggestions on the article's talk page, although you should avoid editing it directly, because Wikipedia strives to maintain a neutral point of view, and that's difficult to do when you have a conflict of interest. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kesydness (talkcontribs)

Indeed there doesn't seem to be enough evidence of notability in the article. Please read the Notability guideline for organizations and companies, and try to find reliable sources. Note that simply being associated with a notable person, does not make another person notable. Also, you cannot use links to other Wikipedia pages as source for your article. Furthermore, have a look to the external links guidelines to see what links are acceptable. My advice is to move the article into a sandbox (create a page like User:your username/Sandbox), and work on it there, until you get it up to meet Wikipedia's standards. --Elekhh (talk) 22:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Interior architecture

To WikiProject Architecture: I am not a long-term Wikipedia user, but I am a good writer and organizer. I have looked into the subject of Interior Architecture, as I am planning on pursuing a career in it, and noticed that its Wikipedia page needs to be brought up to par. I have revamped a few minor things on the page --but before I continue any further, please let me know what I should do, or not do, in regard to this page. Thank you for your time, Levi Griffith (talk) 07:29, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Were those IP edits on January 31 and February 1 yours? If yes, note that it is important to keep the article focused on the subject. For instance is not necessary to explain everything about adaptive reuse since that is a separate article. Illustrative examples should also only be included if highly relevant. Another important aspect is that the article should present the subject from a global perspective. If you are not yet familiar with Wikipedia, might be a good idea to work on the article in a personal sandbox, and later upgrade it. -- Elekhh (talk) 06:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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