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Did not receive email for draft

@Bloggerglittergloss: I have mailed a copy of the last version. Other users don't have access to your stored email address but can mail you via Special:EmailUser. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:07, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter : Thanks a lot for above message i was away from wikipedia blogging and i am back now saw your message. I really appreciate your help. You put a smile on my face. Thanks.

/* External links */

Can you please permit me to add a few useful references to researchers in various subjects under physics on published BREAKTHROUGH RESEARCH papers in journals. articles in researchgate, Principia Scientific International ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmanchiraju (talk • contribs) 23:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

  • @Lmanchiraju: - understand that there is a difference between external links and references, with the latter being generally preferable. If you are editing content in an article, and wish to add something based on this research, then cite to it with a reference, provided it is reliable sources. Stormy clouds (talk) 23:20, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
I do not want to edit the main articles. Please permit me to add few BREAKTHROUGH RESEARCH published in Journals, researchgate or Principia Scientific International on subjects of Physics in External links as shown below as an example:
on page Sunlight
External links
I would like to add the title of the paper published and URL:
Discovery of Self ¬Sustained 235¬U Fission Causing Sunlight by Padmanabha Rao Effect,
PLEASE PERMIT ME TO ADD THE ABOVE IN EXTERNAL LINKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmanchiraju (talk • contribs) 23:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@Lmanchiraju: It appears you are trying to promote this paper. Are you by any chance the author? If so, this whole exchange is considered conflict of interest and promotional disruptive editing.
Aside from that, this paper is not suitable as an external link on the Sunlight page. First, it's too technical to be considered as a useful place to send general Wikipedia readers. Second, it has earmarks of FRINGE science and would need to be vetted by independent experts before we could refer readers to it. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 02:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
It's not a matter of permitting, it needs third party published sources about your research by people not at all connected with your research. Coryphantha Talk 02:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
  • There are many reasons this would not be included. It's a paper in a predatory open access journal written by someone outside the relevant field of study, proposing a new effect with their own name but which has not been picked up and reproduced by anyone, as far as I can tell. Rao certainly has a well-developed sense of persecution, but Wikipedia is not going to report this unless and until someone else publishes an independent reproduction of the findings in a high quality journal. Guy (Help!) 07:31, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

main articles vs not main articles

The article on Child [[1]] has a section “Child mortality” and that section has a kind of sub-heading in italics that contains blue-letter links that lead to other Wikipedia articles, it says: “Main articles: Child mortality and Infant mortality”. My question is whether there is a manual-of-style regarding determining what gets labeled a main article? What is the opposite of “main”? (is it “sub-article”?) What criteria decides whether an article is “main” or “sub”? Thank you. Wenceslauscloud (talk) 19:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wenceslauscloud. I don't think there's really an opposite of a main article. Rather, each article is the main article for a more or less specific aspect of an overall topic. So, in this case, Child is the main article about children, whereas Child mortality and Infant mortality are the main articles for those more specific aspects of the topic, which Child can only summarise. See Wikipedia:Summary style for more on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:33, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the welcome, Cordless Larry, I appreciate your thoughtful response. So, if the question is: “What determines which of two articles is the main article?” — which seems like a fundamental and defining question for an encyclopedia — apparently the answer is that there are no guidelines and no principles. So, if someone thinks (for example) that an article on "victims of violence" is a subset of "weapons", and another person thinks that it is the other way around, and a third person thinks the question is not proper … then Wikipedia’s answer to all three is: “argue it out”. The same answer would apply to anyone who thinks that “your philosophy is a subset of my religion”, or “your newspaper is a subset of my political party.” One problem, it seems to me, is that “argument” is not the best "tool" in Wikipedia's "toolbox". It often seems to be the turf of trolls. But perhaps that's just the "nature of the beast".
So, if an editor sees an article wrongly tagged as a “main article”, I guess the editor can simply edit to delete the tag, and then of course, wait and see if anyone disagrees? Wenceslauscloud (talk) 11:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Wenceslauscloud, the main article hatnote always determines the relationship between a section and an article. What it says is: "there is an article matching exactly the subject of the section you are reading". So no, Child is not the "main article" of any section in Child mortality, unless there was a pointlessly off-topic section about what children are.
The best piece of guidance can be found on the template's documentation page, here Template:Main. As it says, the template is quite often misused. Often Template:Further information is intended. Often it's worth changing the "main article" template to this "further information" one.
The confusion here is probably that, to reiterate, the main article hatnote determines the relationship between a section and an article, so it's relational, and not absolute. The "main article" of a section called "Causes" in World War II is Causes of World War II, although it's evident that World War II is the larger topic. This kind of hierarchical, absolute organization is represented by Wikipedia:Categories. It's confusing because the "main" article is often something that is hierarchically below the article you are reading. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:12, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Finnusertop, got it. Wenceslauscloud (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Pictures

How to add pictures in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arbaz khan Tanoli (talk • contribs) 12:03, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Arbaz khan Tanoli. To add an image to an article, add a file like this: [[File:Example.jpg]] but you would instead add the name of the file instead of "Example.jpg". If you want to upload a file, see WP:UPLOAD but you must be autoconfirmed first. Until you become autoconfirmed, you can use Wikipedia:Files for upload. — MRD2014 Talk 12:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Can someone please review my draft?

I wrote a draft expanding the Wikipedia stub "Functional Endoscopic Sinus Surgery" for a college writing class I am taking. Can someone please review my draft and provide feedback/improvement suggestions? This is my first time writing anything for Wikipedia. Here is the link to my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Saramichha/sandbox

Thanks so much! Saramichha (talk) 16:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Salutations to a fellow NU Husky, Saramichha! Truth be told, with the caveat that my medical knowledge is scanty, it looks good. You're using straightforward prose, you've sourced things well, this is a good job. Ravenswing 20:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Saramichha: I see (a bit late) that you copy-pasted your sandbox contents into the article Functional endoscopic sinus surgery by this edit. I understand that it was a bit hard to edit the live article especially if you need to separate your own contributions for grading. However, if you intend to edit other articles (which I sure hope you do), that is usually frowned upon because it screws up the page history (we do not know who edited what when if the various edits happened in a lot of places). It also has some risks, because if you do edits A, B, C and D in one monstruous edit, another editor who disagrees with A and D might just revert the whole thing rather than carve out and save B and C.
It is especially problematic if you copy-paste the result of other editors' edits because of the need for attributing material to their authors (but here it is ok since you made all the edits that you transferred). TigraanClick here to contact me 08:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Thanks for letting me know! I kind of had an idea that I shouldn't be dumping so much in at once, but I didn't really know how else to get around to it. I will definitely keep this in mind more in teh future Saramichha (talk) 15:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Information

Where do y’all get your information from, I’m working on a new article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorr55 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Books, academic journals, newspapers. It depends on the topic, but Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources always applies. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Editorr55, and welcome to the Teahouse. Would this be about Draft:Ski Mask the Slump God? Some of the sources cited there look to me as if they might not be reliable, but this is an area I do not know particularly well, and I cannot be sure. Note that fan sites, blogs, and other sites run by a single person are usually not considered reliable unless the person is a notable expert in the field. In any case there is no one source or list of approved sources that one must use, but as Finnusertop says above, all sources should be reliable.
Also, please sign posts on talk pages and discussion pages like this one using four tildes (~~~~), although never sign any article. Thank you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:48, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

The issue regarding the page of Vlorë

To whom it may concern.

I just edited the information regarding my home city and also provided sources for it. I do not understand how are Greek Nationalists allowed to do all this vandalism and post articles written by greeks themselves. Don't you think the sources and the information should be impartial? I can find around 50 books written by Albanians about the Albanians in Greece and the Cham Albanians, which have a different point of view than what the greeks have regarding the matter. Nevertheless, not me or any albanian go to greek wikipages regarding cities located currently in Greece to present one sided, biased facts, since we do not edit the greek pages by any means! On the other hand, it appears from these edits from the side of the greeks that almost all south Albania should have been greek and as if we do not belong there!! Nationalism aside,if third parties read the Greek wikipedia pages regarding the cities which were formerly inhabited by Albanians in Greece,they get the idea as if no Albanian ever set a foot there, let alone to be an undeclared minority, and wrongfully classified as a Greek, based on his religion, as it is often the case. On the contrary, if third parties read the pages regarding cities and villages in south Albania, they get the idea as if these places were, are and will be a place where indigenous ethnic greek majority lived there ever since! Please, before allowing such one sided vandalisms to happen, at least double check the sources cited, and the user citing them. At last, i kindly invite you to my city, Vlora and the southern villages and invite you to see that there are no more than 5 villages in the dropull region with a greek speaking majority. I have lived the last 28 years in this region, and lived from Himara, to Vuno and many other villages because of my family, and I can assure you that the overrepresentation and the importance being given to this minority does not have even half of the scale that the reality offers. Last but not least,as already mentioned above, PLESE DO CHECK the truthfulness of the sources provided and the user editing the page, in order to offer a realistic, non biased view to third parties wanting to know more about this region and i URGE you to leave potential political views aside when assessing these pages. I am up for every constructive,objective, non biased discussion on this, given that these editers are trying to give 3rd parties their own views, instead of at least non biased, third parties views, if thot those of the official government of Albania, which strictly speaking, in the wikipedia pages regarding greek cities, the views of the government of Athens are provided ONLY, unlike in the case I just mentioned. Thank you in advance!Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 16:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 16:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Gjergj Zogaj128]. The appropriate place to initiate discussion about Vlorëwould be on Talk:Vlorë which you have done, and was the right thing to do. Your edit on the article Vlorë was reverted because, although you do not like the content that you removed, it was well sourced and neutral. Please read WP:AGF and WP:Civil and come back to the Teahouse anytime you have a question about editing. Coryphantha Talk 16:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Summit

Do We have a Wikipedia Summit coming up in recent times — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birsanagarwala (talk • contribs) 14:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@Birsanagarwala: Wikipedia:Meetup lists some in-person Wikipedia meetups happening worldwide. Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 17:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Givi Javakhishvili

Is it proper to use the photo of Givi Javakhishvili when he was a baby to illustrate him in the article, Prime Minister of Georgia?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 03:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jeromi Mikhael and welcome to the Teahouse.
While I don't think I can give you an exact manual of style or policy that forbids it, it certainly doesn't sound like a useful way to illustrate the article. Are you unable to find any suitable photos of him as an adult? I realize that you can't use most copyrighted photos, but it might be possible to get a photo of him from a public event, put up by someone who has released it under Creative Commons. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
[2]If you see here, the photo is located in the top of the search query, and it is the only photograph to be ensured of its copyright status, and as you see here, there is no photo of him between 1919 and 1954 (the 1919 photo itself cannot be ensured of its copyright status). --Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 17:43, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Setting up a new page

I was hoping to set up a page for my not for profit organization Human Access Project. We have been in both local, national and international news so I will have plenty of sources to pull from. We are also referenced on other pages within Wikipedia that I can point to.

Thank you!

Willie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gangstaoflove (talk • contribs) 17:35, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@Gangstaoflove: See WP:COI for why you should rethink that plan.
If you're going to write an article about something else, here's the steps you should follow:
1) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.
2) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
3) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.
4) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
5) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.
6) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
7) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Gangstaoflove, and welcome to the Teahouse. I endorse everything Ian thomson has said, but wanted to give you another perspective. Your choice of words "set up a page for" suggests to me that you have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. That's not what we do here: rather, we "write an article about". This might seem nitpicky, but I think it will help you understand what is going on. "Setting up a page" is something appropriate to social media or a directory: this is neither. An article about your organisation will not be for it (or against it): it is required to be neutral, summarising all views about it in reliably published independent sources. If there happen to be criticisms of it in the sources, these must be given appropriate weight, whether the organisation is happy about it or not. And if there are not enough independent reliably-published sources, then there cannot be an article. This is because Wikipedia has very little interest in what any subject says about itself, and no interest whatever in how it wants to be presented. If the sources you mention are truly independent - somebody with no connection to the organisation has chosen to write about it - they can provide the basis for the article; but if they are merely passing mentions, or are simply reporting what the organisation says about itself (eg an interview, or an article based on a press release) Wikipedia is not interested. Finally, if an article is created, you and the organisation will have no control whatever of what subsequent edits are made to it: you will be welcome to make suggestions for changes to it, but the decision will rest with a consensus of uninvolved editors.
In summary - it sounds as if what you are trying to do is to promote your organisation: that is forbidden on Wikipedia. (Yes, I understand that it is a non-profit. Telling the world about it is still promotion, and you may not use Wikipedia for that purpose.) --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Notability Question

Hi all. I created an article, a few days ago somebody checked it and added the following: I have since edited it and I believe it should now be fixed. My question is, what is the process now? As I am unsure what I must do. Many thanks for any help, I really appreciate it.

{{notability|date=June 2018}} {{primary sources|date=June 2018}}

Article created: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercharge:_Unboxed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falconik123 (talk • contribs)

@Falconik123: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The sources added to the article still seem to be primary sources; primary sources do not establish notability. What is needed are independent reliable sources that have chosen to write about the game with in depth coverage. The sources in the article currently seem to be press release type articles or blog postings. There is no hard deadline to resolve the tags, though the longer they are there, the more likely deletion will be proposed for the article. I would suggest that you continue to look for appropriate sources. If you cannot find any, it could mean that the game does not merit an article at this time. I noticed that you are part of the video games WikiProject, perhaps users there would have suggestions for you. 331dot (talk) 17:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the reply and for explaining the matter to me. I think I understand now. I actually never knew how addicting creating Wikipedia Articles can be, especially given the fact that I am contributing to something great, it's a topic I enjoy and helps to improve my writing! Anyways, I realise you'll be very busy, but I took your advice and did some more digging. If I have understood correctly, I have now found and added more "in-depth" coverage references. Would it be okay for you to check and see if this has now improved? Thanks once again and take care. If not, I'll jump on over to the video games WikiProject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falconik123 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett has removed the templates from the article, so I think that answers your question, Falconik123. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falconik123 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Legion Etrangere

Legion Etrangere — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.189.219.15 (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. What is your question about that redirection page? (I have added a header to separate your posting from the previous section). --ColinFine (talk) 18:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Embraer

In trying to delete unnecessary periods from the article's infobox I somehow messed the infobox up so it doesn't show properly on the page & I can't see how to revert what I did. William Sherman, Esq. (talk) 14:25, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@William Sherman, Esq.: You accidentally deleted more than just periods. See Help:Reverting for how to revert your own edits in the future. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip. William Sherman, Esq. (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Email

How I view the log of emails I've sent to other editors?Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thegooduser. There is no feature for that. The email form has a box "Email me a copy of my message". If you select that and the mail reaches you then it may be stored in the archive of your own mail service. It cannot be used to detect previously sent mails where you didn't click the box. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

How do I revert edits on my phone so I can fight against vandalism?

Title — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaReen (talk • contribs) 18:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, JoshuaReen. I do most of my editing on my Android smartphone. I use the desktop site, which is fully functional. When you visit Wikipedia from a phone, you will automatically be taken to the mobile site. Scroll to the very bottom, and you will see a link that you can click to reach the desktop site. Your phone will function like a miniature desktop computer and you can carry out all editing functions, including reverting vandalism. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Vandalism and Help:Reverting for general information not about mobile devices. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

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Rsjcsdg

About this userpage...Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:40, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

The Teahouse is a friendly place to learn about editing Wikipedia, Thegooduser. Do you have a question about that (blocked) user's userpage? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
YesThegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Hello again Thegooduser and welcome back to the Teahouse.
That is a userpage for a user who was blocked as a sockpuppet. While the user page is rather useless, it was present when Oshwah did the block and may have contributed to identifying the disruptive user. Since the contents of the page are not in and of themselves grossly offensive, we don't have a strong need to delete the page. If you see pages like this, often the best course of action is to ignore them and move on. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 20:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Found another userpage not sure if it needs to be deleted User:SzymejThegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The Teahouse is really not the best place to report what you think are questionable user pages, Thegooduser. WP:ANI might be better. But if you do make such reports here, notify the users involved on their talk pages, just as you would be required to do when mentioning them at AN or ANI. I have notified Szymej on your behalf. I will add that I don't see any reason to delete User:Szymej, not even as much as there is to delete User:Rsjcsdg. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:21, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
User:Thegooduser - If you really think that a user page should be deleted, you may nominate it for deletion at Miscellany for Deletion. You will be expected to provide a good policy-based argument for deletion and to defend it. Otherwise the discussion will result in a Keep and you may even be advised that you wasted your time and that of the reviewers. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Re: Ben Gruber

Hi, How do I find a previous WP:BLPPROD discussion/archive? It seems like the aforementioned article (the title of this thread) was nominated for such, but I don't know what the outcome was and based on the article itself, I don't know if this was a draft article moved too soon or if this was all the author intended to do (it's certainly a stub). I was initially going to mark it for deletion but noticed the prior PROD and wasn't sure if I should just then tag it for *BLPRefImprove* or notify the author for further expansion or what...? Not sure how to proceed... Snickers2686 (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Snickers2686, I think there usually is no discussion for a PROD delete proposal. PROD is one of the weakest ways to delete an article, in that anyone except for the original article creator can remove the tag for any reason (without explanation) within seven days and then the PROD is permanently closed. The only difference with BLPPROD, is that you just need to add at least one reference before you remove the tag, which I see someone has already done for Ben Gruber. See Wikipedia:Proposed deletion for further info. So I don't think that specific BLPPROD is anything you need to worry about, though the article can certainly be improved further. --Habst (talk) 19:36, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Snickers2686, and welcome to the Teahouse. Proposed deletion is intentionally a very liughtweight process. Usually ther is no discussion, and when there is, it is on the article's own talk page. Ben Gruber was proposed for deletion as an unreferenced article about a living person in this edit and the proposal was removed again in this edit after a single citation was added. I don't see any discussion, although you could ask WWGB, the editor who poth placed and removed the PROD tag. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:40, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
User:Habst, User:Snickers2686 - Anyone, even the original author, may remove a regular PROD tag. A BLPPROD tag may only be removed when a reference is added, but anyone may remove a regular PROD tag. If a PROD tag is removed without addressing the reason, a nomination for Articles for Deletion often follows. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Ah, my mistake about the original author comment. I was thinking about speedy deletion templates. Thanks for the clarification. --Habst (talk) 23:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

REFERENCES, Cite Website and article name etc.

How do I fill in the Template? i.e. What tags are essential? Aviva Butt (talk) 02:22, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Aviva Butt and welcome to the Teahouse.
While you can get away with just a URL, you should try to fill in all of the fields that you can. Title is important. Date is important. Some identification of the source, whether it's work=, website=, or publisher= is important to have, as the the URL itself is not displayed. If there's an identifiable author, please give them credit. Try to reduce the amount of duplication in the cite: don't keep a copy of the website name in the title, as sometimes happens when you copy a title from a website. If the website name and the publisher name are essentially the same, choose one, not both. Since websites are not static, having an accessdate allows someone researching a topic to try to find an archived version corresponding to that date. Saving an archive when you add a reference is an additional step that some people take to nail down a saved version that shows what they were referring to. All of this is covered reasonably well at Template:Cite web. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 02:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Aviva Butt Another good way to learn, that I found very helpful, is to take a peek at the cite ref code in one of the articles to see how it was done. Click on the link, look at the different tags and compare the news article with the cite ref to see how the previous user filled them out. They make great examples. Maybe there's one in an article that you're already working on, just scan through it. After a bit it will become easy. Coryphantha Talk 02:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

HOW DO I ADD A 'CONTENTS' TABLE?

Dear madam / sir HOW DO I ADD A 'CONTENTS' TABLE? piquantex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piquantex (talk • contribs) 02:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Piquantex and we're glad to see you asking questions at the Teahouse.
The table of contents is automatically generated by the Wiki software, but it uses properly formatted section headers as the entries in the TOC. The sandbox you've been working on does not follow the correct convention, but that can easily be fixed. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

HOW DO I ADD A SUMMARY BOX?

Dear madam ./ sir HOW DO I ADD A SUMMARY BOX? - as most articles have on the right upper corner, with a picture and basic info. Thanking you. piquantex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piquantex (talk • contribs) 02:54, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Piquantex and I hope you feel like you're getting your questions answered here at the Teahouse.
The word we use for those boxes is "infobox", which is created using one of the {{infobox}} templates, probably {{infobox person}} in this case. Since the information in the infobox is supposed to be taken from properly sourced text in the body of the article, you should hold off a bit on trying to create one. The sandbox your are working on has no proper references so far and that is a far more important matter to get right than having an infobox. I also suggest postponing the idea of uploading a photo until you can do so without running into permissions problems. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:14, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

How to move an article from draft to my sandbox

I need help in moving article from the draft to my sandbox. The draft has been nominated for deletionUddhav9 (talk) 05:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Uddhav9 and welcome to the Teahouse.
I'm afraid we're too late to make a copy of your draft, since it is already deleted. When you're developing something in a sandbox or in a draft, it's often a good idea to make a backup copy on your local computer. Since the reason for deletion was G11 (promotion), you may be able to ask the deleting admin to restore a copy or email a copy to you. The name of the deleting admin will show in the deletion log if you try to bring up the deleted draft. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:16, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Marc-Olivier Strauss-Kahn

I received Draft:Marc-Olivier Strauss-Kahn and declined it on neutrality grounds. It was at the time clearly written in order to praise its subject rather than to describe him neutrally. Since then the submitter, User:Lettucecup, has posted to my talk page, saying that they hare thoroughly “scrubbed” the article and have referenced and cited it throughout. (I hadn’t criticized the references in my original review.) I am being asked to review the draft again, but I do not normally follow a draft through the review process, and I know that I may be biased after reviewing a peacock draft. (I sense a great deal of enthusiasm for the subject by the submitter, for which the good-faith assumption is simply a great admirer, and I find myself pushing back.) Will another experienced editor please comment on the draft?

Robert McClenon (talk) 23:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

I worked with Lettucecup on IRC, trying to explain notability refs and the need for neutral writing, so I feel a bit involved with this draft. The last paragraph seems aimed at exonerating DSK rather than saying something about the subject, MSK. Overall, it still feels rather promotional. I have little doubt that the subject is notable, but the refs to substantiate it aren't well marshalled to do the job. A lot of work remains to be done. Should it just be promoted to articlespace where a presumably larger crowd of editors can rapidly bring it into conformance? I would hesitate to do that on my own authority. [And why ask here rather than, say, WT:AFCR?] — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 23:35, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The draft still needs work. The section on a building in Paris, with only a tangential connection to the subject, should probably be deleted. I assume the intention of the final paragraph is to tell the reader, "no, he's not that Strauss-Kahn". Maproom (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Infobox error

I have created an article in my sandbox , but something is wrong with the infobox . Can anybody help ? Kpgjhpjm 06:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Kpgjhpjm and welcome to the Teahouse.
It appears that in editing the template you have introduced whitespace characters that are not recognized by the software as spaces. I don't know what platform you are editing on, but you need to find a way to edit so that whitespace remains spaces, not tabs or other more exotic whitespace characters (such as might be used to render proportionally-space fonts, for instance). I don't think I'm in a postition to try to fix that for you - even if I went through and replaced the spaces, your next edit is liable to mess them up again. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 07:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've removed a host of unnecessary non-breaking space characters. You should also note that you are trying to use a parameter Pole_Speed which doesn't exist in the template. The non-existent parameter will be ignored, but flagged up when you preview after an edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Requesting Teahouse edit suggestions to improve article: John Fischer - mountaineer

Dear Teahouse Editors,
I received this message below (see: Quoting), and do want to continue the page because I believe John Fischer made a substantial contribution to climbing in the Sierra Nevada. My article has been criticized for a lack of references which I believe I can correct, however, the references are in out of print books, not ebooks and I have to track those down.

Can you tell me how many references are needed to make the article acceptable?
Also. Can you please suggest content edits that would make this article better for the public and would meet Wikipedia's standards? Link to article. Specifics will help. Link: Draft:John Fischern I have found this article very helpful, Link: Wikipedia:A_primer_for_newcomers but not a specific number of sources.

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Quoting: "Hello, Yosemite4. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "John Fischer". In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the code. {{db-afc}} If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. In Memoriam A.H.H. What, you egg?. 22:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)"

Yosemite4 (talk) 03:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)Yosemite4

Hello, Yosemite4, and welcome to the Teahouse. The main thing needed by this draft is to add additional independent published reliable sources that discuss Fischer is some detail, say at least 3-4 solid paragraphs or more in each source. Secondly, remove promotional and emotional text such as John Fischer died June 5, 2010 doing everything he loved. unless it can be supported by an independent source that says exactly that. Even then, it should probably be trimmed. Similarly word pictures such as ...covered in moss, born of the Gulf's humidity. should be removed unless sourced directly. Most stated facts should ideally be supported by a cited inline reliable source, except for obvious easily verified facts. See Referencing for Beginners for more on how to add citations. See You don't need to cite that the sky is blue for more on obvious facts.
The request for speedy deletion was withdrawn within 2 minutes, by the way, but you will be well-advised to continue to improve the draft, and not to resubmit until you have made significant improvements in line with this advice and the advice of the previous reviewer. resubmitting "too many" times without making "significant improvements" can now be treated as a reason to delete a draft. And a draft that sits unedited for 6 months is considered eligible for deletion under WP:CSD#G13. (That last is not a recent change.)
Note that references formed using <ref>...</ref> tags should usually be placed inline, where it is clear what content they support.
The previous reveiwer wrote: Could be notable, but reliable sources are sparse or barely mention the subject. Please properly add reliable sources before resubmitting. Thank you. That is good advice. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to ping Cullen328 as he has written numerous articles on mountaineering, and is a host here to boot. Perhaps he can offer Yosemite4 some topic specific help. John from Idegon (talk) 06:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, John from Idegon. It is hard for me to be neutral on this topic since I too climbed in the Palisades Range in my 20s, including Temple Crag, though at a much lower level than John Fischer. I never met him but certainly heard about him for many years. Make that decades. If you Google "John Fischer" + Palisades, the range he was associated with, quite a few reliable sources come up. It is a matter of reading the best of them, and adding them to the draft. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:53, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Editing a page on wikipedia

Hi,

I am writing from ACG and our Wikipedia page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACG_Worldwide.

We have recently undergone a restructuring internally where the company name has been changed to ACG from ACG worldwide.

Also, there has been business wise changes. I wanted to update the Wikipedia content. However, every time I am trying Wikipedia is rejecting it.

Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.6.90.157 (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Can I just correct you on something. It is not your Wiki article. It is Wikipedia's article about your company. You do not own it, control it or have any right of veto on its content (except for blatant errors of fact). I'm pinging @DMacks: as a courtesy so that they know about this discussion. DMacks was the administrator that blocked you(assuming you're the same person) and reverted your edits for being promotional. - X201 (talk) 08:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
You need to read what you were told at User talk:Madhurima1234. Read about conflict of interest and about paid editing, and also about the prohibition of promotion. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:54, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Please Help me

please tell me in detail what i have to edit in my article. Actually i want to create a page or article for my website roxstarindia. Please guide me in detail what i have to add and what i have to edit. And also tell me what reference i have to add in it, but i don't have any reference so please tell me the list of reference which i can add in the article. My Article is Draft:roxstarindia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikhiljain founder (talk • contribs) 08:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

See Helpdesk. User told not to spam to multiple locations. - X201 (talk) 09:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Copyright re: screenshots for video game articles

Hello - I've been doing a bit of a work on King of Dragon Pass and feel it needs some screenshots, but I'm confused about copyright permissions. I've searched around and sort of got the impression screenshots lifted from published reviews are permitted - but isn't that then a violation of the publication's copyright? Dr-ziego (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Dr-ziego: Allowed as fair-use without permission; that's not copyright violation. But here on Wikipedia you need to follow our fair-use policy. For such screenshots, the tricky part is that they need to be accompanied by some sourced article text that talks about some visual aspects of the game that would be extremely difficult to understand without seeing a screenshot. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Travels with a Donkey in the Cévennes

This is my first attempt at editing Wikipedia and am reluctant to do it directly, so I am only making a suggestion...

Stevenson's itinerary for his 1878 travel log seems to have incorrect days of the week for that year and do not match the dates in the book. I do not find direct reference to every day in the book either, and suspect the specific dates shown on Wikipedia are inferred. This should be made clear.

If someone would review and make these edits it would be serve the reference well.

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:483:101:3720:A52E:D295:DF67:8CF9 (talk) 11:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

The place for suggestions is on the article talk page, in this case Talk:Travels with a Donkey in the Cévennes. I have taken the liberty of changing your section heading here from an external url to a wikilink. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:25, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Delete an article

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am Emrac Acroll, a Wikipedia user. Last week I added an article in the Wikipedia webpage called Anne Frater. Nevertheless, I have now realised it contains information which is not reliable. I would like to remove the whole article since I do not have enough information to improve it and share with the wiki community. I have tried to remove the content but I am not sure if the article is still in the webpage.

Thank you in advance,

Emrac Acroll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.12.151.103 (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Emrac Acroll: - you should not blank the page, as you did in this diff, as this is not constructive editing. Rather, if you feel the page is not worthy of inclusion on an encyclopedia, nominate it for deletion using the process underlined at WP:AFD, and state the rationale you have given here. Other users will investigate and decide whether to keep or remove it. This is the correct procedure if one is unsure about the necessity for an article, not blanking it. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 14:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC).

Jean-Miche Jarre Cities In Concert Page Spanish to english translation or new page?

I noticed this page https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_In_Concert:_Houston-Lyon has already been created but in Spanish not English.

What is the process if i wanted an English page, should i tranlate or create i new one from the beginning?

Thanks Ijustwannabeawinner (talk) 14:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translate. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Images flagged for deletion

HELP! I uploaded a few photographs, all scanned from old pictures in my collection. They have been flagged for DELETEION and I do not know why. I cannot work out how to stop the deletion happening. Help!! If Wikipedia is run by the thought police, I'd rather not bother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gousinsaang (talk • contribs) 15:05, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Gousinsaang: welcome to the Teahouse. The images you uploaded are not on Wikipedia, but on Wikimedia Commons, a different project (but related - and many people mix Wikipedia and Commons up). The reason they are tagged for deletion is that there is not enough information about the source of the images - you need to show that no copyright is being violated, which is very important because there may be legal repercussions for Wikimedia if it is found to be hosting copyright violating files. There is quite a lot of information about this, and what you can do about it, on your talk page over at Commons. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:15, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Not sure where my article is /IF it's been deleted, why...

Hi,

I recently published an article about the Association of Fundraising Professionals (AFP), however, I used information from the website, so the draft was immediately deleted. Since then, I went through and re-wrote the page to only contain information I found from scholarly articles/books and re-published it. However, now I cannot find my draft anywhere in the AllPages/drafts sections, so I believe it has been deleted again. I am not sure why, since I only cited scholarly sources, and removed all the information that was from the other sources. Can someone explain to me why this happened and what I need to change to publish the page?

Many thanks. Aalderdice (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Aalderdice: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that your draft was deleted as promotional. I don't believe it wasn't deleted the first time, the draft was just declined. I can't say that I disagree with the deletion, as the draft did not indicate how the organization is notable per the guidelines listed at WP:ORG. 331dot (talk) 15:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
@Aalderdice:My usual advice if you're going to write an article about anyone or anything:
1) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.
2) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
3) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.
4) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
5) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism. Be sure to write everything in such a way that someone who hates the subject would still have to agree with the phrasing. It shouldn't be negative, but the plain facts should be undeniable and the presentation should be neutral.
6) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
7) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
@Ian.thomson:Thank you for the source gathering and summarizing advice. However, I have already revised the draft and resubmitted it, so what I am confused about is why my draft that only used scholarly articles was deleted?
@331dot: Are you saying that the second draft i published (only using scholarly articles) was deleted as promotional? or the first? thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aalderdice (talk • contribs)
@Aalderdice: Pulling up the draft, I see that it's entirely because of the promotional language. See my comment "write everything in such a way that someone who hates the subject would still have to agree with the phrasing." Maybe look up Simplified Technical English. Don't write the article only in STE, but its focus on clarity accidentally renders half of their tips good for writing neutrally.
With more than 30,000 members, it is the largest organization in the world that represents the charitable fundraiser comes off as bragging. Does the International Encyclopedia of Civil Society actually affirm that part? If it does, look at how they phrase it. Don't copy it, paraphrase it into something completely different, and tone it down as much as possible.
AFP's mission is to advance philanthropy by enabling people and organizations to practice ethical and effective fundraising—activities that include education, training, mentoring, research, credentialing and advocacy -- This sounds like something from the AFP website, not from a study on fundraising groups in general. Assuming the source somehow does support that, "AFP provides educational resources and advocacy for fundraising and philanthropy" is more neutral.
The entire "Code of Ethical Principles and Standards" was completely unsourced and frankly rather unnecessary. That this takes up so much of the draft's space is probably a huge part of why it was deleted. The section "AFP International Conference on Fundraising," while sourced, should probably just be "The association hosts their International Conference on Fundraising in a different city each year," followed by the two citations in that section. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

How to eradicate personal info from history on my personal page?

Many years ago I put my complete birth date and my home town on my personal page. Now I'd like these gone, but after I remove them, they show up in the 'history' page. Anything I can do to get this information completely gone? Sorry if this isn't the right forum for this question. Pointing me to a better forum if one exists would be helpful.

Lcuff (talk) 15:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Lcuff, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Oversight and Wikipedia:Requests for oversight to remove history revisions of your userpage. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Lcuff: I've WP:REVDELed that info. You can still request WP:OVERSIGHT so that even administrators won't be able to see the info.
In the future, you'll want to refer to that page as your user page, because "my personal page" is usually how article subjects refer to articles about themselves (which is a completely different matter). Ian.thomson (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

page marked for Deletion

My new page has been marked for deletion. After which, I put more references to make it better.

in addition to that, the Movie is an upcoming one, so it is getting coverage over media.

Kindly help me to make it even better and not getting it deleted.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namanshoni (talk • contribs) 15:40, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Namanshoni, please comment here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedavi Datani Matokatundhi (film). Note that only coverage that exists counts, not potential coverage that may or may not come in the future. Sometimes articles about upcoming films are simply too soon for this reason. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

CONVERTING SANDBOX ARTICLE TO ACTIVE ARTICLE

Dear madam / sir, How do I CONVERT my SANDBOX ARTICLE to an ACTIVE ARTICLE? piquantex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piquantex (talk • contribs) 02:49, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Piquantex and welcome to the Teahouse.
As a very new editor on Wikipedia, you can't do this yourself. With a few more edits, your account will become what is called "autoconfirmed" and you will be able to MOVE your sandbox to an article.
That being said, the sandbox you've been working on is quite far from being ready to become a full-fledged article. One way to get help on it is to submit it to Articles for creation for review. An experienced editor will provide some feedback and, if they feel the article is ready, will accept it as an article. To enter this process, place {{subst:submit}} at the top of your draft and save it. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Actually, Piquantex we have serious problem with the sandbox you've been editing. It appears to be very largely a copy of the subject's "about" page from their website. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:41, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I have deleted the sandbox as a copyright violation. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Raw values vs. Conditional expressions

Is there any wiki guidelines in regards preference when it comes to using raw values vs. using conditional expressions which work out the same values. E.g., I'm working on a table in an article where you have 3 columns: Wins, Loses, and Win%. For Win% I could either paste in the raw values after working them out or use {{Winpct}}, is one preferred to the other? The latter seems to just give more work, I assume, to the client side. Wiki nV (talk) 09:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Fair enough, thanks for the response. Wiki nV (talk) 16:26, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
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