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Category:Footballers from Cardiff

Cardiff is part of Glamorgan, that's the county... GiantSnowman 18:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

You're 43 years out of step. It was in South Glamorgan from 1974, then from 1996 became a unitary authority of its own. Sionk (talk) 19:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Except of course it's not, it's technically a 'principal area' - but either way it is not a county. GiantSnowman 20:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I assume You will be nominating Category:Counties of Wales for deletion then? Sionk (talk) 22:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Nope. GiantSnowman 08:39, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Nomis

Hi Sionk, I've recently updated a Nomis citation you added to Felin-fach, with a new template I've been involved in that may be of interest. Template:NOMIS2011 hopefully makes it easier to create quality cites to Nomis Local Area Reports Search. I hope this is useful for you.TiB chat 15:21, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Clever!! I'll bear that in mind, I'm updating/adding Welsh community articles at the moment. Sionk (talk) 16:01, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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Cardiff Council elections 2008

Hi, Do you not think we should distinguish between the independents in Rhiwbina who were elected on substantial votes (10,004) from a handful of local people running as independents who only won 1,681 between them?

I accept that there is no party called Rhiwbina Independents (although there was a political group within the council called that) which is different from actual independents.Cardiff Council recorded the results in that way: https://cardiff.moderngov.co.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=6&RPID=1003039891&LLL=0 Paulharding150 (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

No, because no one else distinguishes them as different. Though evidently in 2012 they stood under the "Independent Group" banner. Sionk (talk) 17:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Michael Page

Hi. I'm getting trolled and reverted by an anon user on the Michael Page (fighter) article. Not been in the situation before so wondered what to do. I can see you have previously requested pp so thought I'd ask.NEDOCHAN (talk) 21:14, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I've left a comment on Talk:Michael Page (fighter). It appears to be a new editor. Sionk (talk) 03:41, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Another personal attack/aspersions such as this- and I will take this to AE.Icewhiz (talk) 05:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

You are disputing the reliableness of a source, not discussing the Arab/Israel Conflict. It seems to be an extreme tactic to threaten me, with AE whatever that is, simply because I am calling you out on something else. You've said yourself you don't disagree with the facts of the article. Sionk (talk) 21:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

which is precisely what the "better source" tag is for.Icewhiz (talk) 04:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps you should create a "Better source desirable in the perfect world but not really necessary at the moment" tag. Sionk (talk) 10:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Rita Duffy

On 25 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rita Duffy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2005, the Northern Irish artist Rita Duffy made a proposal to tow an iceberg from Greenland to Belfast? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rita Duffy. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Rita Duffy), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Thanks

I appreciate your persistence at DYK; it is a trait not too many editors possess. I'll admit I am new to writing articles like that and have room for improvement. The topic (Zionist terrorism) as a whole is under-developed so it will be enlightening to work on further with—hopefully—better results.

No probs. Interesting article about an event I knew nothing about - worthy of a DYK! Sionk (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Six Bells

Nice one. (I don't do barnstars). Deb (talk) 09:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Diolch! I like the name in particular :) Sionk (talk) 09:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Thuy Bo massacre

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Bangor City Council

Hi Sionk, the current composition is on the cited page if you expand the collapsed headings, specifically the one for Deiniol Ward. But, given it will need updating again after the by-election (or co-opting), I'm relaxed if you want to add it back or not. Regards, Cavrdg (talk) 14:55, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Fife Council

Hi there,

If you look at most council articles, they don't have the political composition of previous elections, for example:

• Glasgow City Council
• The City of Edinburgh Council
• The Highland Council

Perhaps with defections and by-elections there is a merit to having the composition of the last election in 2017, but not 2012? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angryskies (talk • contribs) 21:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Jeremy Pugh for deletion

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List of Puerto Ricans

Thank you for your interest. The reason that some names listed do not cite the source is because they were verified to be Puerto Ricans before the rules of inclusion to the list were implemented. Since then every addition needs to provide a reliable verifiable source. A good example of a person whom everybody thought was Puerto Rican, but wasn't is Sammy Davis Jr. Take care and may you have a Happy New Year. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

There were reliable sources on the bluelinked article. It seems pedantry of the highest order to selectively demand additional citations for a list article (or for that matter remove an entry that is undoubtedly suitable). Sionk (talk) 21:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

No one is forced to add a name to the list. If they want to add a name then there simple rules to be followed., simple as that Wikipedia is a project with polices and that is part of life. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Elizabeth Bruce

Hi Sionk,

I need your help please. I have been asked to "jump through hoops". Please can I publish this new page or, please can you have a look at it? Regards, Rod Oliphant (talk) 12:45, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rod, I think it was fair, to be honest, to move your article back to 'draft' space when it didn't have any sources/citations at all. However, you've now added a number of book sources I'd suggest you wait for it to be re-reviewed. Personally I think that anyone from the 14th century who's still being mentioned today must be notable enough for Wikipedia, particularly the child of a king!

I'd suggest removing the 'Oliphant Peerages' section, it doesn't appear to have any direct relevance to Elizabeth Bruce.

You've been working on Wikipedia for many years now, so you should really be aware that Wikipedia articles need to have citations as proof of the content. It will save yourself a lot of bother if you get into the habit of adding citations before publishing an article (or submitting it for review at AfC). All the best! Sionk (talk) 10:53, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sionk Thanks for your response. I agree with your point about the citations, the peerages I agree (sort of) the point being that they were only created because of the royal connection. I have cut that paragraph right back.

Discospinster has deleted my user page - I am not sure quite when that happened. Rod Oliphant (talk) 00:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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Ipernity

(sorry for my english) Hi, I don't know if you read french, but please see the current debate https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Ipernity/Suppression on french Wikipédia. I think you can globaly understand, even if it's in french. On WP:fr, we've got a problem with Ipernity : too much primary sources, but any secondary sources of quality. Can you check here on WP:en ? For "eligibility", i know that french Wikipédia is harder than WP:en, for sources on companies or associations, but i'm sure that there's a kind of spam on many Wikipédia with ipernity. Cheerz, --Arroser (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Trellech United

...really sounds like a very minor football team! :-) Deb (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes indeed, maybe I should put forward a 'Did You Know' along the lines of "Did you know... that Trellech United isn't a football team?" ;o) Sionk (talk) 22:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I like it! Deb (talk) 23:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Llanelli Town Council

Thanks for the comment about citations. I haven't added them as I don't know how in this respect. I'm getting the information directly from the Town Council through a combination of historic year books and speaking to the staff. I know this information is correct, but don't know how to cite the info. Any help much appreciated, thanks. Turk Rocker (talk) 12:39, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for 1176 Cardigan eisteddfod

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Christopher Lee

Oh, sure editwarring is a much better course. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

It's hardly edit warring. It's the first ever biographical article I've come across with the date and cause of death in the lead summary. We all die, it's hardly what Christopher Lee is best known for. There's a section about his death in the article, so telling me to fix it is unnecessary. The article is already fixed. Sionk (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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DYK for David Bowles (chief executive)

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Carmarthenshire CC election pages

Thanks for the edits on these. Still work in progress ... but agree that the pages are improved as a result! Macs15 (talk) 19:56, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Cardiff elections

Hi. Thanks for the great work on the Cardiff City Council elections. I am hoping to get the South Glamorgan pages done fairly soon working from 1981 onwards. Agree that it is useful to have a key for retiring councillors in a different ward. However ** is used for retiring aldermen in old county elections. How about (*) for retiring councillors in a different ward. Just a suggestion and happy to discuss. Cheers Macs15 (talk) 20:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Cheers/Diolch! The South Wales Echo results page makes no differentiation between the two, but because of the ward changes at the 1983 election, says "Denotes that the candidate is an existing councillor but, because of boundary changes, not necessarily representing the ward they are contesting". I took the liberty of using different codes, because in all cases it's clear which are which.

I didn't know about the 'retiring alderman' key. Maybe I could use ^o instead of ** (as in "o" for "other ward") Sionk (talk) 20:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Great suggestion with the new key. Will use in other articles. Agree with your suggestion for a different key. Macs15 (talk) 23:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Notice you are making great progress with election results. I’m a little short of time at the moment but will aim to complete the South and Mid Glam sets over the summer. Cheers.Macs15 (talk) 23:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm hoping to do the 1970 Glamorgan election sometime, having found the info at the library. Sionk (talk) 12:29, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

St Fagans National Museum of History

You seem to be one of these arrogant editors who think they know everything. You have NO idea how people get to the museum. I'd go to it on the train. You are EXACTLY the kind of person who puts off editors by behaving like they own the place. But hey, you OWN all the the articles on South Wales o great one. I bow before you. Have a good time trying to ruin Wikipedia! Cls14 (talk) 08:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, no idea what you're on about mate. I live in Cardiff, why would I not know how people get to the museum? I left a messaage on your talk page to try and engage you in discussion. Can you find any other museum article which gives the nearest railway station details in the introduction? Thanks. Sionk (talk) 08:42, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Dennis H. Carter

Hi, I asked Bearcat if he knew anyone in Architecture who might like to check my first mainly architecture-based article and you're one of two he suggested. I normally write about films and people who make them, but I got interested in this man through his filmmaker daughter and the fact he filmed a lot of his buildings going up using Super 8 when it first came out. It's the first article I've written to be rated 'B' right off the bat and I wonder if it's a good article by Architecture standards (not being familiar with the project or its conventions, I don't even know whether you'd consider it B or not--the person who did that seemed to be coming at it from film too). ZarhanFastfire (talk) 03:22, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Looks like an impressive article, well done. I'll look at it more closely later. He isn't a name I've come across before. Sionk (talk) 12:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks; and thanks for your edits. I'm not surprised you've not heard of him. Funny thing, Ernest Smith has an entry in The Canadian Encyclopedia but Carter does not, despite the fact that their careers are formally identical and therefore equally significant.ZarhanFastfire (talk) 05:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion on Welsh place names

I only got round to following your suggestion of reopening the discussion on the use of Aberdyfi vs Aberdovey on Talk:Penhelig railway station this year and it was decided to keep the article on the village at Aberdyfi. There is no official guideline on Wikipedia for whether to use the English or Welsh name for places in Wales that I know of but I think the use of the Welsh Aberdyfi is in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Multiple local names which recommends using the name used by the linguistic majority of the place if English usage is indecisive.

Following from the Aberdyfi discussion I am wondering if you would be interested in contributing to a move discussion in the River Dovey article (Talk:River Dovey#Requested move 28 July 2019). There appears to be some confusion over whether to use the prefix 'Afon' or 'River' in articles about rivers in Wales although the mainstream media tends to use 'River' suggesting it is more familiar to English-speakers. I am up against User:Railfan23 who, in a previous discussion on Talk:Afon Twymyn, claimed that the discussion was about the Welsh language not some dialect of English, who dismissed Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English as a red herring and who is adamant that Aberdyfi is the sole official name for the village of that name despite the continued use of the anglicised Aberdovey by the railways and Ordnance Survey, who due to my recent scuffles with I do not feel entirely confident in dealing with on my own. Tk420 (talk) 12:38, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sionk. I'm afraid that TK420 badly misrepresents my contributions to previous discussions. Despite a request, TK420 has not withdrawn the offending comments. So let me state:

Tk420 is not "up against User:Railfan23". I have started a discussion, and TK420's battlefield mentality is problematic. I never "claimed that the discussion was about the Welsh language not some dialect of English". I have not in any way "dismissed Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English as a red herring". And saying I am "adamant that Aberdyfi is the sole official name for the village of that name" is a straightforward lie.

I am sure that you will see beyond this blatant attempt to bias the discussion, and very much welcome your thoughts at Talk:River Dovey, if you are interested in joining in. Best, Railfan23 (talk) 15:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Sionk, I feel I owe you an explanation on the way I acted recently: I have been editing on Wikipedia for nearly twelve years and might be slow to catch on owing to autism and moderate learning difficulties, although I do still learn new things from my editing experience, which I do not like to talk about and have not felt the need to discuss with another Wikipedian before. I only became aware of Wikipedia:Canvassing after Railfan23's most recent message on my talk page and previously thought about it as 'inviting' you which I did because your comment on Talk:Penhelig railway station seemed the most neutral.

I will now tell you about for my issues with Railfan23 and why I do not feel confident in dealing with them (I do not know their preferred pronoun as their user page is currently blank) by myself in case you can offer any impartial advice in dealing with users like them. The reason I have not replied to Railfan23 on my talk page (the first message has since been automatically archived (see User talk:Tk420/Archive 38)) is partly because I never felt the need to reply on my own talk page before, with my disputes usually being resolved on the talk page to the relevant article, but mainly because they said at least two things, I have never heard from another user before and have never said to another user even if I disagreed with them, I took as insults which initially gave me the perception of being bullied although I now do not think they were intentional. The first perceived insult was 'What do you think the comment above is?'. 'What do I think...' e.g. 'What do I think I am doing?' is not a question I usually answer as it has a different connotation to 'What am I doing?' and I think it is more of an expression of anger than a serious question as the speaker can sometimes see what the listener is doing. This can also be taken as patronising as it assumes the listener does not know what they are doing and they might not know if they are doing anything wrong or what they are doing wrong. My claim of my edits going unchallenged is based on my change of 'River Dyfi' to 'River Dovey', to match the name of its article, starting with the Aberdyfi article on 24 June 2019 which went unchallenged until 21 July, nearly a month later, when I made the same change on other articles. I was also bemused by the request to revert my edits, which I stand by unless the River Dovey article is moved, given Wikipedia is not compulsory (see also: Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a volunteer service) and Railfan23 has shown themselves capable of performing the edits personally which is what I do if I feel confident in doing so and was also bemused with them getting worked up about me not responding immediately which I feel is not worth getting worked up about. I sometimes prefer to sleep on an issue, rather than respond immediately, because of real life (often due to the lateness of the hour) and to avoid editing under the influence e.g. of anger or tiredness. I am also bemused by User:RGCorris demanding a reply on Talk:River Dovey although they (again, their user page is currently blank and I do not know their preferred pronoun) have so far not said anything I have perceived to be insulting. The second perceived insult ('You are wrong') took place on Talk:River Dovey. I was taught that it is politer to say 'I disagree with you' or 'I am afraid I am going to have to disagree with you' in this situation as the speaker could be wrong. In Railfan23's reply above I took the word 'mentality' as an insult making me less willing to help them. Tk420 (talk) 23:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Not sure how you interpret "Tk420, we are trying to engage with you on your talk page, but so far you have not responded" followed nine days later by "TK420, please respond to the comments on your Talk page" as "demanding a reply" ? This was an attempt to engage you in discussion in an attempt to reach a concensus on your multiple editing, which you seem unwilling or unable to do. RGCorris (talk) 08:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Fancy discussing this on the Talk page of the person concerned, rather than here? Sionk (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Be happy to do so, but TK420 seems unwilling to respond on their own talk page. RGCorris (talk) 08:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

About the issue of whether to use 'River' or 'Afon' for rivers in Wales: I have since found Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about rivers#Title which states "River X" is used generally for notable rivers in the UK and Ireland, yet many other watercourses are, quite properly, locally and cartographically named "X Beck", "X Water", "X Race" e.g.Trout Beck in the Lake District. However, there is currently no guideline on whether to use 'River' of 'Afon' in an article about a river in Wales. I am considering making a suggestion there and would like to use a larger better known 'Afon' and 'Nant' as examples but many larger rivers are known by the prefix 'River' in English so I have decided to start move discussions on the larger 'Afons' until a discussion stops without moving an article. I am currently involved in move discussions on Talk:Afon Rheidol and Talk:Afon Mawddach but I am waiting for those discussions to die down before I start any more in order to take breaks from editing. I would say the most problematic user I have come across so far in those discussions is User:Velella who, after reading through their talk page, has been accused of being influenced by personal opinion although the only time I have, so far, know them to do this was in the Talk:Aberdyfi move discussion where I reminded them that Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. In the discussion on the Mawddach User:Velella claims that 'Afon Mawddach' is universally accepted in mid-Wales but did not say by which language group nor has cited any sources. If there is anything you can do to verify this claim I would appreciate it. Tk420 (talk) 21:17, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I would invite other editors to review the debate (now closed) at Talk:Aberdyfi to see just how misconceived and disingenuous the above comment is in relation to the views that I expressed there. The diff is here.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   22:52, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I am referring to the line 'Should we revert to Peking or Bombay just because our colonial forefathers used those names? I think not. So let us not persist with these colonial views in the naming of Welsh places' when I said it was influenced by opinion. Tk420 (talk) 17:21, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Following the decision not to move the Afon Rheidol article and with no end in sight to the Afon Mawddach discussion I have started a request for comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about rivers#RfC about the examples of local names on my suggestion of including X Brook (a common name for a stream in the West Midlands), Afon X and Nant X in the examples of local names for rivers in the title section of the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about rivers. I am still unsure of the formality, as opposed to colloquialism, of the use of the prefix 'Afon' in English although the opponents of my proposals argue that it is normal locally. In wondering if it is more common in this part of Wales considering one difference between two dialects is some words are used more often in one dialect than in the other and the Welsh English article describes at least four dialects of English within Wales (North Wales, Cardiff, South Wales Valleys and West Wales). According to the anglicisation article the preference for Welsh place names over similar-sounding anglicisations is more common in the west so it might be similar for the preference for 'afon' over 'river'. Considering you argued in favour of the use of 'river' I was wondering how you would describe your dialect if it is from Wales or, if not, how you would describe the local dialect in your area? Tk420 (talk) 20:40, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Nid tafodiaith yw Cymraeg, mae hi'n iaith/Welsh isn't a dialect, it's a language. People living in strong Welsh-speaking areas of Wales will be more familiar with the word 'afon' meaning 'river', so will think nothing more about it. But at the end of the day 'Afon' (river) is still a Welsh word, as is 'Nant' (stream/brook). It's not English. I'll be interested to see how your wider discussion goes. Sionk (talk) 21:08, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I have discovered a similar dispute over titles of articles about lakes in Wales. Although many Welsh lakes are referred to as 'Llyn X' on the English Wikipedia I can think of three lakes widely known by different names among English-speakers: Bala Lake, Tal-y-llyn Lake and Lake Vyrnwy (known in Welsh as Llyn Tegid, Llyn Mwyngil and Llyn Efyrnwy respectively). I was reading the Bala Lake article when I discovered the Welsh name used primarily (since edited) so I checked the talk page and found a move discussion from 2018 over whether to move it to 'Llyn Tegid' (Talk:Bala Lake#Requested move 6 July 2018) in which the result was 'no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below.' This is the reason given for not moving Afon Rheidol and Afon Mawddach. Apparently some who wanted Bala Lake moved did not know how to do it which I think was the case with the River Dyfi article before the discussion to move it from River Dovey. Please see my contribution in Talk:Bala Lake for more information. It seems that the issue over article titles for places in Wales extends to geographical features in general as well as rivers. I am also concerned that the lack of easy access to reliable sources besides tourist information sites and mainstream media mentioned in WP:SOURCE is a hinderance to convincing other users. On the other hand I was able to move Biosffer Dyfi to Dyfi Biosphere two days ago without it being challenged so far. Tk420 (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I've always known the lake next to Bala as Lake Bala, rather than Bala Lake. But that's another story. I agree, it's increasingly difficult to find common reference to the English names for places or things in Wales. Clearly most editors of the English language Wikipedia couldn't care less. Sionk (talk) 22:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

In case you have not already read my latest contribution to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about rivers Rfc I sent a message to user:Cuchullain to ask if they can offer any assistance and received the reply 'Honestly I don't see this getting resolved anytime soon as long as there's no consistency in the sources, where some rivers are more commonly called "River X" and others are "Afon X". I don't have much to add, I'm afraid'. I chose Cúchullain as they closed the Aberdyfi and River Dyfi move discussions giving their reason, after I asked them, for keeping and moving the articles as 'There is clear consensus that this is the most common form'. By the sound of it even admins get confused by the inconsistency over the use of 'River' and 'Afon' in sources referring to rivers in Wales. Tk420 (talk) 22:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

First Man

Hi Sionk

That link to WP-OR states clearly that as long as sources are attributed, they are acceptable. What am I missing?

--Plummer (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

The sources are not about First Man. Maybe if you found a source listing factual errors in First Man, you would have a possible reason for adding something. As it stands, your additions looked like they are factual errors discovered by Plummer. Which is classic original research, I'm afraid.

Any further discussion about it would be better placed on the Talk page. Sionk (talk) 18:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Single Tax Party

I think you could build a better article with the sources I found. Let me know if you have any trouble accessing the links I provided at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Single Tax Party. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 03:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Assistance with editing a Welsh-language article and image descriptions

I was wondering if you could help edit an article on the Welsh-language Wikipedia (Gorsaf reilffordd Penhelyg). From reading your user page I can see you are interested in Wales related articles and according to a userbox you can contribute with a higher level of Welsh. I have recently moved the article, with the assistance of Google translate, from Gorsaf reilffordd Penhelig to the spelling used by the green text on the station's name boards. This was all I felt confident in doing by myself as I know very little Welsh and I did not think that move would be controversial as the article did already use the 'Penhelyg' spelling otherwise. I would like the image in the infobox, which shows the station in 2009, to be replaced with an image of mine (File:Penhelig station - 2019-07-14.jpg), I have already used in the English-language article Penhelig railway station, of the station after the 2018 reconstruction of the platform but the current image could be added to a history section as an example of how the station looked before the reconstruction. The image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons so it can be used on any Wikimedia project.

As for the image descriptions: I would like to have a Welsh-language description added to File:Penhelig station - 2019-07-14.jpg and File:Aberdyfi-Aberdovey western approach sign.jpg in case they are used in any Welsh-language articles. I took these photographs on what has so far been my only visit to Aberdyfi (or Aberdovey) since the move discussion on Talk:Aberdyfi although it is one of my nearest seaside resorts explaining my interest in the Cambrian coast. I included the bilingual welcome sign image in the 'Name' section I included in the Aberdyfi article to help explain the topic to those unfamiliar with the name issue. I got the idea for the 'also known as...', the Name section and 'Aberdyfi/Aberdovey' in the infobox after reading Derry, County Londonderry and Outer Hebrides articles as those are all places known by more than one name in English. According to Google Trends there are more searches in the UK for 'Aberdyfi' although searches for 'Aberdovey' are at almost equal levels. I photographed the sign on the western approach to the village which I though would be safer although the sigh at the eastern approach might have been in better condition although it was partially obscured by trees and there was nowhere to stand back from the road. I have included the photos below to provide a link to them as well as to show you what they look like. Tk420 (talk) 21:26, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Penhelig station following the 2018 reconstruction.

Aberdyfi/Aberdovey welcome sign.

Ah well, if you live in that area it's definitely time to learn the language ;)

So, if I've got this right, you want me to add descriptions to your two photos, in Welsh? BTW in my opinion your new image could do with cropping, at least, because all you can see is a giant yellow line. The old image is superior, in my humble opinion, showing one of the tunnels, which gives much better context, considering the unique location of the station. But you're free to add the image to the article anyway and, if anyone objects, I'm sure they'll be capable of moving things back. Sionk (talk) 21:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately I did not remember exactly which viewpoint the 2009 photo was taken from and my intention, when I took the photo from the east end of the platform, was to give readers an idea of the length of the platform but the tree by the tunnel has grown over the intervening years, as I noticed after I cropped the image,. I have however found an photo of the station from the same trip taken from the other end which shows the tunnel and a clearer view of the station's name board. I have cropped it like you suggested and included it in the infobox of the English-language article along with a new gallery for the previous westbound images. I would like suggest the use if the cropped eastbound image to be used as the primary image in the infobox of the Welsh-language article along with a new image gallery for the current images so readers can compare the past and present westbound views of the station.

As for the Aberdyfi/Aberdovey welcome sign image: although I do not intend to use it in any other articles in the foreseeable future I would still like a Welsh-language description included just in case. I have included my three latest images below in case you can help with translating the descriptions into Welsh although I am currently not intending to use the cropped westbound nor uncropped eastbound views in any articles. Tk420 (talk) 22:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Newly uploaded images

Penhelig station facing west (cropped)

Penhelig station facing east

Penhelig station facing east (cropped)

Empty sections

Hi Sionk, thanks for your work on the Welsh Youth Parliament article. I wanted to let you know that I had to remove the "History" section that had no content except for the "expand section" template. As I noted in the edit summary: Can be added when content is available. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Headings and sections, and documentation for template:expand section (not to be used for empty sections).

Fyi, it came up in a search for edits related to sockpuppets of user:JohnLickor372, who has been robotically adding similar sections to literally thousands of articles, and nobody's happy with that... so I didn't have much choice but to also remove yours. Thanks for your understanding... --IamNotU (talk) 01:35, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

It wasn't mine. I accepted the article from AfC. But thanks for the explanation anyway. 06:02, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:Fishguard and Goodwick

I thought that Category:Wikipedia categories named after populated places in Wales is only for settlements not other types of populated places, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 April 17#Category:Settlements. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:57, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I was unaware of the category rename, but "place" seems to have a broader meaning than "settlement". I agree a community isn't a settlement, but I struggle to understand why it isn't a place. 'Fishguard and Goodwick' is a bit of an oddball, I suppose, because it has two distinct settlements in it's name, while most communities are named after one of many settlements within their boundaries. Sionk (talk) 21:13, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:Fishguard is already in Category:Wikipedia categories named after populated places in Wales anyway so I don't see why the community needs to be in it to, similarly Category:Neath Port Talbot isn't in the populated places category. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Neath Port Talbot is a county, made up of dozens of communities. It would be stretching the point to categorise them as places. Communities are places united by a common and distinct identity. Many elect their own councils, similarly to towns. The Communities categories are generally subcategories of the 'Populated place' categories. Generally I think communities should be treated as populated places, in my opinion, though maybe Fishguard and Goodwick is an incongruous exception. They should have called themselves Goodguard or Fishwick :) Sionk (talk) 21:57, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I have now created Category:Goodwick which is in the populated places category. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough Sionk (talk) 10:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Lindsay Stringer

Please can you let me know why details of an academics previous work, achievements and publications are deemed to be inappropriate and why my updates have been reverted; the listing needs to show the area of expertise, successes and achievements of the academic. Hrc-lcab (talk) 08:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

An encyclopedia should summarise a person's main background, achievements and career highlights - basically the reason they are important enough for Wikipedia. Ideally this should be cited to reliable and independent sources, rather than primary sources. A biographical article shouldn't list absolutely everything they've ever done, or every single thing they've ever written - this would be completely WP:UNDUE and best left for someone's CV or personal webpage. The Lindsay Stringer article had been transformed into a bloated CV, in my opinion, and Wikipedia is the wrong place for that.

However, the 'Infobox' at the top of the article was a good addition, providing a good potted summary. Sionk (talk) 13:12, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Smith Carter

Hi Sionk, if you remember I asked for your help with Dennis H. Carter way back when. I eventually got around to starting Smith Carter and reducing some material from the original article. I ended up creating Ernest J. Smith at the same time and spun off yet more for the public sculpture put in front of one of Smith's buildings, No. 1 Northern (as well as expanding John Cullen Nugent and doing yet another public sculpture. Fun times. Only thing is, the Smith Carter article has been slapped with two tags like Dennis was. I was hoping you could have a look at that one with a view to judging how much work needs done and where (it's long). You're welcome to look at the other news ones if interested. (I tried pinging you, I probably didn't do it right or else... Christmas.)ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I think three clean-up templates was excessive, so I've removed two of them. But if the excessive cherry-picking of quotes for the lead intro is the problem, I'd look at moving some of them to the body of the article (or simply using the sources for their factual content). No-one would dispute Smith Carter was a successful, notable company. Sionk (talk) 11:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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Architects by county

Rathfelder - Hello Sionk, I hope you are keeping well. I'm trying to get my head around the logic/benefit to readers, of the categorisation of English architects by county, a category that I think you created back in 2014, following a minor spat with Rathfelder over Albert Powys. To me, this level of categorisation goes beyond what is helpful to the reader. I would not think of an architect as belonging to a county, as opposed to a country, or even more extreme, as belonging to a city, [[Category:Architects from Norwich]]. It's not a categorisation that we appear to follow for artists, or writers or composers. And I wouldn't begin the lead of an article by writing "Sir Edwin Landseer Lutyens, OM, KCIE, PRA, FRIBA was a Surrey architect", even though he's an example of an architect whose work was influenced by, and which much influenced, the county of his birth. If one wanted to indicate his birthplace by a category, one could add, for example for Powys, [[Category:People from Dorset]], but I'm not convinced that removing the category English Architects, which he certainly was, and replacing it with a category that only contains one other entry, really assists the reader. As an aside, many of the Architects by county entries contain just one or two names. I'd be grateful if you could let me know the intended benefits of this degree of categorisation. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi KJP, I think you'll find I didn't create these small categories. There were indeed a number of areas where a significant amount of work had been done to create articles about architects (e.g. Nottingham) and I created a container category for these. I agree, it's not something I'd consider doing, to create county categories for only one or two articles each. But it's entirely normal to categorise people by the place they come from, or (in the case of architects) are predominantly known for working within. If you want to nominate some of the small categories for upmerging, then by all means do so. Cheers. Sionk (talk) 00:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Sionk - thanks for getting back so promptly. And yes, apologies, I should have said you didn't create all the little categories. Indeed, I think Rathfelder created [Architects from Dorset] only 2 days ago, presumably to put Powys in. I can't pretend I get it. To me, architects by county, let alone city, is a degree of specialism too far. But I'll stop worrying about it. There are too many other things to do - like why isn't Cardiff Castle an FA! All the best. KJP1 (talk) 09:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

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Cardiff County Borough Council elections

Hi Sionk.

Great work on doing these, particularly pre-1973. I am wondering whether your sources are online or maybe you own/have access to old copies of the newspapers? Am potentially interested in doing some of the years that haven't been published yet but can't find the results online?

Benawu2 (talk) 06:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Nothing online. I spent many hours in the city local history library looking through original newspapers. Very many hours - I originally had not much idea of how often the elections took place, the numbers of councillors, aldermen, wards or the method/timing of election. It's not ideal because it's bordering on WP:OR. But interesting all the same. Thanks for the thanks :) Sionk (talk) 10:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Saying that, I would add that the main Welsh newspapers are available online up till circa 1919 (though very sporadic after 1910-ish) at https://newspapers.library.wales/ Sionk (talk) 10:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

OK thanks. Benawu2 (talk) 12:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi again Sionk. The wards, boundaries and in many cases councillors themselves were the same as the predecessor councils. Hence the seats are not new. And you removed my new seat win edits too. Hence the reversion of your edits. Cheers Benawu2 (talk) 05:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

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