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Please see

Please see HERE.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 23:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Gautama Buddha in Hinduism Is Buddhist scripture an unreliable source?

Stop deleting the reliable source from the wikipedia. www.accesstoinsight.org is a website which gives the translation of Pali canon. So think before you declare it as unreliable. Thanks. Terabar (talk) 23:34, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

This is a primary source.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 23:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

@Terabar: "Gautama Buddha" - or, rather, the Pali Canon - is not a RS here, please revert yourself or someone else will. Ogress _smash! 23:42, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh yes.... My mistake. I would like to find a secondary source. Will you help me? Terabar (talk) 23:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Teahouse Ogress _smash! 23:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh thanks. :) Terabar (talk) 23:47, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Howard Unruh

The thing is Rose Cohen redirects to Howard Unruh because that was one of the people he killed. But I created an article about a different person named Rose Gollup Cohen. So if you could help me with that somehow so people who search for Rose Cohen get the option of Howard Unruh or Rose Gollup Cohen that would be great. Thanks. GrandmotherClause (talk) 23:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

@GrandmotherClause: You should ask at the Wikipedia:Teahouse how to turn a redirect into a disambiguation page. Ogress _smash! 02:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

New user Jtthefeminist

Hi, I just received a message that my part in Feminist Sexology has be deleted because of the lack of resources. I'm actually still working on it and will be posting citation afterward. It is possible that you could recover it please? Because I did not save it. Thank you so much!!! I really appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtthefeminist (talk • contribs) 02:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Ishvaku

For the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikshvaku I have given an input that the Srirangam Temple in Trichy City has a book called Ishvaku Kuladhanam and I have reference it to source from The Hindu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hindu). I am not sure what sources other The Hindu will be acceptable?

I am a novice in Wikipedia and I don't claim any knowledge on Wikipedia or Indian History other than being a resident and speak Tamil language. But I find it puzzling that the same page has another book mentioned " Another book, The Seal of Surya by Amritanshu Pandey, covers the life of Ikshvaku himself and his reign through the genre of historical fiction. Unlike Amish's work, this novel is based on historical plausibility and does not feature any magic/gods etc." for which I could find no source or reference.

What am I missing here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venkatarangan (talk • contribs) 14:13, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

@Venkatarangan: You cannot cite The Hindu if you are quoting Ishvaku Kuladhanam. I will check on The Seal of Surya, as it sounds like it does not belong. Sometimes I am responding to a new addition to a page while other times I am editing the page directly. Ogress _smash! 18:00, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Ogress: thanks for responding. i am not quoting anything from the book, Ishvaku Kuladhanam, what I tried to say in the page edit was the tradition of Ishvaku is still alive, to the extend of being recalled in the history of a temple in south india today. that information is mentioned in the hindu article which i cited. I have the physical copy of the tamil book titled "Ishvaku Kuladhanam", I can scan and share it with you if there is a private way to do, sharing in public will be copyright violation i suppose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venkatarangan (talk • contribs) 04:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

A couple FYIs for you

Hello O. I wanted to let you know a couple things. First, I filed a WP:RFPP for the Arachosia article here Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Arachosia. I can't guarantee that it will get protection but if it does that will give you a little rest - where that article is concerned anyway. Next I wanted to let you know that when you are reporting and editor or IP if you use the template {{user|XXXX}} it lets admins (or anyone else for that matter) easier access to their talk page and contributions. For example Spalagdama (talk · contribs). That saves people having to do some searching to get to those. I'm not saying that you are doing anything wrong and you don't have to use the template. As I say it just makes things a little easier. Thanks for the work that you are doing here at WikiP and have a nice weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 00:10, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Thanks. I report using Twinkle so I'm not sure why it isn't doing the fancy-shmancy thing for me, but I'll try to do that in the future! Ogress _smash! 00:12, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. I've never used twinkle so I wouldn't know why either. I noticed your post here User talk:Bishonen#Spalagdama back. AGAIN. and changed the link you had used. If it is a hassle please don't worry about it. I'd cross my fingers in hope that the article gets page protection but it is harder to type when I do that :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 00:17, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Important about Barelvi Article

Dear Ogress,I saw your edits and read talk page discussion on this Article.This page is facing highly one sided edits since a long If you can help stop a particular editor from editing the page or its associated pages it will help improve wiki credibility.The main editor is actually anti Barelvi and anti Shia who just takes advantage of less knowledge of Western /English editors about some Islamic movements.MezzoMezzo is a Professional editor who is working here with an agenda to promote extremist groups likeSalafism and their organisations/Scholars and Institutions.Editors have tried hard to break his monopoly over this article but could not do due to his clever tactics. Just See his edits you will find He-

• Reduces content from Sufi or Barelvi pages (Now it has been found he is doing same for Shia Pages).Makes them stubs and then Proposes them for Deletion.He never do the same for Salafi Wahabi Ahle Hadith Articles or Articles of their Scholars.
• Never allow normal editors to edit this Page looks like he own this Page.
• Always interested in reducing content from Sufi Barelvi Articles and in adding/Supporting negative points in those articles.
• In religion category he has created only Salafi Wahabi Ahle Hadith Articles or Articles of their Scholars.
• Play with the words and Policies and utilizes them for his own purpose.
• Has been warned/watched by various Senior editors in past but never got punishment due to clever tactics of playing with words and of making friends among english editors.

I know this is not proper forum and not proper manner to submit things but very few understands this Problem.Please delete this message before it is read by others.Alensmith (talk) 07:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

@Alensmith: Several of your comments here are not in keeping with the co-operative atmosphere that Wikipedia (WP) should have, Please do not accuse other editors of having an agenda. WP requires you to assume good faith.
Saying "Please delete this message before it is read by others." is quite extraordinary. Editing on WP is done openly, not covertly. It would be highly unusual for Ogress to consent the that, apart from the fact that your message would still exist in the edit history of this page. 220 of ^Borg 13:15, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

220 of Borg to the rescue. Thank you.

Yeah, this is a very awkward discussion. If you have evidence of non-collaborational activity, you should report it, not attempt to suborn anti-consensus activity. It's uncomfortable for you to come to me like this, I sort of froze. There have been paid editors and even wallpapering (work by PPOs, or paid political operatives), but those accusations are countered by sunlight. File a complaint of COI if you have evidence. Ogress _smash! 14:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Ogress and @220 of Borg: welcome to the mess that is the Barelvi article. This is basically what happens every time another sockpuppet comes along. They accuse me of being a Salafist (which is kind of discriminatory - editors of any faith or sect can edit any article they want, so even if I was, it wouldn't matter), claim that I misuse policies, and that I'm paid to edit. Usually that's said by Barelvi socks of various puppet masters along with buzz words like "Saudi paid," "Wahhabi conspiracy" and the T word in order to stigmatize me.

As one example, the former president of some unheard of Barelvi organization in India, User:Msoamu, spent seven years with something like half a dozen sockpuppets (in addition to the other puppets and puppet masters who were unrelated to him). That led to community sanctions against Msoamu for the same behavior as this Alensmith account that was just created.

Come to think of it, this person also tends to add the letter "s" to the end of present tense verbs with plural subjects, just like Msoamu. And they claim this problem has been going on for a long time despite their account just having been created. And he tends to capitalize key words like "Policies" and "Senior" even though they're in the middle of the sentence. I wonder...

Anyway, I'm sorry for my comments on the talk page in question, Ogress. They were poorly worded and I hope they don't dissuade you from contributing. I'll try to sift through the archives myself since I was involved so as to avoid you investing more time than you need to, and if you want I'm sure other editors familiar with the article as well would be open to changes. 220, thanks for the warning on my talk page - I'm glad I was notified of this early on. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:27, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@MezzoMezzo: I'm already running away ...... Alensmith sounded like a very likely username, considering the rather poor English. I'm already chasing around a bit after an editor that is adding un-sourced stuff to astronauts biographies. Like saying their widow had died, with no sourcing at all. [1] It was true, but the doofus only had to take a few minutes to find a source and add a cite, but apparently couldn't be bothered. There's also a IP that is editing many similar pages, and not always with sources. Fun!

• I had to go and look for "the warning" as I thought for a minute had I told you off for naughtiness, not given you a heads up that a noob was 'dissing' you. I think the thing about adding 's' and incorrect capitalisation (plus no space after full stops!) is pretty common with Indian editors. Example, an editor created a pile of un-sourced articles on villages in India about about 8 months ago with the most atrocious capitalisation errors, and they still need fixing up! See here. - 220 of ^Borg 05:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Indus Script

Hi Ogress, My edits were not incorrect. The evolution of Brahmi Script from Indus Script is more accepted than evolution from Proto-Sinaitic, hence, Burmese alphabet must have Indus Script as the origin, in addition to the disputed other three script families. This gives out true information to Wikipedia readers. Please read more in Indus Script. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.188.112.77 (talk) 03:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I realize that these sorts of POV edits are made on India and Pakistan articles but sometimes it is difficult to detect them, especially when someone comes back with a polite explanation. I will be wary about further such edits. I don't think it did any harm to delete my message but to point out that a reference should be given in line with your message, which I left intact. Thanks, again. Donner60 (talk) 03:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Donner60 Oh, I was just giving you more information so you could adjudge for yourself if you had done the right thing. I think it's fine to delete your message or whatever, it was purely informational on my part that the editor was, in fact, making stuff up and telling you they were not making stuff up. No one has even interpreted the Indus script, and it's doubtful it's even an alphabet - except in the minds of the Hindu nationalist right, who are trying to use it for racist reasons. Ogress _smash! 03:26, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Again, thanks. Obviously I was mistaken when I believed the editor and I would not have known that but for your giving me the information. I do appreciate it and will be wary. I take a little satisfaction in know my initial suspicion was correct, as well. I am not sure that it is worth reversing my deletion. If this user is a persistent POV pusher, I assume they will get further warnings soon enough. Or perhaps your message and my statement that I also thought the edit needed a source will put them off, which would be a good result as well. If not, it will provide a good basis for further reversions and warnings. Donner60 (talk) 03:43, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding editions made to the Kings of Bhutan

Dear Ogress,

Allow me to introduce myself. I am Kuenzang Lhadon, working at the Centre for Bhutan Studies and GNH Research, an autonomous research organisation in Bhutan (www.bhutanstudies.org.bt). The Centre was established in 1999 and has been working on promoting scholarship on Bhutan and it has published 97 books so far, including a set of biographies of the kings of Bhutan. The Centre as an institution that has published biographies of the kings of Bhutan with authentic information, we felt responsible to edit the information on the Kings of Bhutan and the 'House of Wangchuck' as currently entered in the wikipedia. A bulk of information on them were found to be factually incorrect.

Since we are new to wikipedia, we would like to apologize for the formatting and style that we might have failed to follow in our attempt to edit the articles on the Kings of Bhutan. For the same reason, it is not very convenient for us to communicate through the wikipedia 'talk' page. Would it be possible to communicate with any staff of the Wikipedia on this issue? If it is beyond our capability to edit them ourselves, we would like to seek help from one of the Wikipedia employee to do it on our behalf.

Sincerely yours, Kuenzang Dasho Karma Ura (talk) 04:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

@Dasho Karma Ura: I would ask at the Teahouse because I am not sure. Wikipedia doesn't really have staff like that, or employees: we are a consensus-driven community of volunteers. Ogress _smash! 05:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I posted it on Teahouse 'Question' page. I hope someone there will reply to me.