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Proposed deletion of Filip Stojković

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BSK Borca

Lotom, je si siguran da je Zoran Knezevic napustio Borcu? FkpCascais (talk) 22:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Don´t create player articles that are not notable

Lotom, please don´t create footy biographies for footballers that fail notability. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability. Basically, from Serbia, only players that played in SuperLiga are notable, and from ex-Yugoslavia, only players that played in Serbian Superliga or any of the predecessors (Yugoslav first league, First league of FR Yugoslavia, and First League of SCG), and Croatian and Macedonian first leagues pass notability. Basically all players of Sloga Kraljevo except Rašo Babić and Darko Drinić fail notability and will be deleted. See the link I gave you so you should know which players deserve an article, and which don´t. English wikipedia is not a collection of information and has this notability criterium. FkpCascais (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Dalibor Divac

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Barnstar!

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		I award you this barnstar for you excellent controbutions related to football articles. Keep up the good work! FkpCascais (talk) 03:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

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Pozdrav

Pozdrav,

Ako može konstruktivan savet. Žurnal ne bi trebalo da bude izvor informacija osim ako u tekstu ne stoji izjava tog nekoga ko je navodno potpisao. Žurnal možeš da smatraš za žutu štampu sportskog novinarstva i samo ako iz teksta možeš da pročitaš da je neko 100% potpisao onda taj tekst koristi kao izvor. Primer je onaj tekst o Voždovcu, gde postoji izjava ko je potpisao a ko otišao. Loš primer je dolazak Mijića u Donji Srem. Radi korektnih odnosa, neka ostane da je Mijić potpisao za Donji Srem, ali prilično sam siguran da je dečko ili na probi ili je... ne znam... u prolazu. Pozdrav i nastavi sa kvalitetnim doprinosima :) Bora83ns (talk) 10:09, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Uvažava se, a iskreno mi se i smučio Žurnal u poslednje vreme, ponekad ostavim neki komentar, a oni ne objave, iako nikog ne vređam, ali verovatno smeta zato što sam naglasio nešto što oni u članku nisu spomenuli, ili je opet nešto drugo u pitanju. A što se transfera tiče, vidim da si aktivan, pa ću se truditi da se ne uključujem mnogo, pošto ti i onako sve prekontrolišeš, pa da se ne dupliramo. Uostalom često mi se desi da zaboravim zagradu, ili napravim neku sličnu sintaksičku grešku i onda se ubijem tražeći među redovima. Lotom (talk) 11:42, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Apsolutno nema potrebe da smanjuješ gas :) Što nas je više, manji je napor. Ti ćeš videti nešto što je drugima promaklo(dodaćeš neki transfer, ili obrisati neki ako si video da je propao), isto kao što i ja radim. Nisam ja neki profi editor wikipedije. I ja isto pratim vesti o našem fudbalu, zato što je, kakav god da je, naš. Žurnal sam izdvojio zato što su u prošlosti imali gomilu senzacionalističkih naslova. Ni danas im ne manjka. Ali ok, ni drugi nisu cvećke. Najsigurnije je kad se lepo pojavi slika sa igračem, dresom, brojem, izjavom... Ali takvih je tekstova nažalost malo. Što se tiče grešaka, ako ne možeš da nađeš, neko će od editora već ispraviti, ne moraš se cimati. Pozdrav i samo napred! :) Bora83ns (talk) 13:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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Club season articles

Dobio sam ove odgovore: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Season_club_articles_question. FkpCascais (talk) 05:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Video sam clanak koji si napravio Turysbeku, perfektan clanak, svaka ti cast! ... Druga stvar, video sam da imas nekog novog stranca u Slogi, Okomajin Segun Onimisi. Gledao sam nesto da nadjem o njemu, ali mrka kapa. Sem na toj strani na sajtu prve lige i u izvestajima iz te utakmice, nema ga bas nidge pod tim imenom. Sve sto sam primetio je da ima drugih ljudi sa prezimenima "Segun Onimisi" i iz Nigerije su. Tako da je vrlo moguce da je iz Nigerije, ali nisam siguran. A bre, mi u Srbiji samo dovodimo gance, nigerijce i brazilce. Inace jake fudbalske zemlje i vrlo tesko, skoro nemoguce, da zaigra za reprezentaciju. Mogli bi malo da neka nova trzista otkrijemo... FkpCascais (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Video sam. Čekao sam da ga soccerway ubaci, kod njih se vodi da je iz Gane. Segun Lotom (talk) 13:50, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Need your help

Ako mozes vidi User_talk:FkpCascais#Aleksandar_Duric. Jel mozes da nam pomognes da nekako potvrdimo da li je Aleksandar Đurić igrao u Slogi? FkpCascais (talk) 02:13, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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Serb SuperLiga

Pozdrav Lotom! Da ti poželim srećne praznike I što bolju I uspešnu 2015.

Vidim da su te cimali da brišu neke članke što si pravio, nisam bio baš mnogo aktivan ovde sad oko praznika, ali kad god tako bude neki deletion slobodno mi javi. Bila je i serija klubova iz srbije koje su izbrisali, verovatno si primetio, par njih sam uspeo da spasem, sad je ostao samo Trudbenik još u diskusuji, možeš na strani kluba da vidiš link za diskusiju (ostali su, koliko znam, ili već izbrisani ili spašeni). Verovatno znaš, klubovi se spašavaju brisanja ako su igrali prvi ili drugi stepen takmičenja (u bivšoj Jugi, FRJ, SCG I Srbiji) ili ako su igrali u Kupu Srbije ili stare Juge, FRJ i SCG. Ne računaju se kvalifikacije. Trudbenik je stigao u Kupu do 1/8 finala, tako da bi trebao da prodje. Takodje da te pitam, vidim da mnogim igračima pišeš Jelen SuperLiga, mislim da je problem tih naziva ligama i klubovima taj što sponzori mogu da se promene, a još davno na fudbalskom projektu je bio neki dogovor da se sponzori izbegavaju. Mislim da i nama više odgovara Serbian SuperLiga, ipak je ovo medjunarodna enciklpedija, preko 90% čitalaca čak i naših članaka nisu srbi pa im "Jelen" ništa ne znači I neće znati po tom nazivu iz koje je zemlje ta liga. Serbian SuperLiga im je automatski jasna. Ili recimo klubovi, video sam da pišeš Hajduk Lion (Lion nije sponsor, ali je problem sličan), veruj mi da mnogim strancima to pravi haos konfuziju: "Hajduk Split, Kula, Beograd, pa sad koji je Lion? A ima još i Hajduk Veljko!". Verovatno si primetio da neki sajtovi poput transfermarkt-a ili worldfootball-a imaju zbog te konfuzije naziva, duplirane članke (oba sajta recimo imaju jednu stranu za Radnički Beograd a drugu za Radnički Jugopetrol, neki sajtovi čak I treću varijantu Radnički Novi Beograd). Spartak Zlatibor Voda pa Spartak Subotica, bolje da smo uvek pisali Spartak Subotica I ne bi bilo konfuzija. Ovi Radnički isto prave konfuziju sa onim 1923 jer posle stranci gledaju slike i vide na ovom niškom stadionu ogromnim slovima ispisano Radnički 1923 pa budu ubedjeni da je niški Radnički taj 1923. To Radnički 1923 iole koristim priznajem, mada čak ni za njega nisam siguran da ne bi bilo sigurnije da pišemo Radnički Kragujevac, jebeš ga, celu istoriju su bili poznati kao Radnički Kragujevac, sigurno bi bilo nonsense pisati da je recimo Srboljub Krivokuća igrao u Radničkom 1923. Šta misliš? Jel bi se ljutio ili protivio da te zamolim da se dogovorimo da koristimo Serbian SuperLiga umesto Jelen SuperLiga, Hajduk Belgrade/Beograd umesto Hajduk Lion, uvek Hajduk Kula ne Hajduk Rodić, čak I Stankom možemo da vadimo šta će nam? Mislim da sam isto video da pišeš BIH da skratiš Bosnia and Herzegovina, problem što sem nas u bivšoj Jugi, ostatak sveta vrlo retko koristi BIH, na engleskom baš skoro nikad ne skraćuju na BIH, uvek skraćuju na Bosnia, ne znaju oni šta je BIH jer ga ne koriste. FkpCascais (talk) 03:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Kakav problem, taman posla?! Nego bi i te stranice za klubove trebalo malo srediti, ali otom-potom. Ja većinu tih zajebancija linkujem, pa ako baš neko ima nedoumice, može uvek da otvori. Za 1923 uvek stavim Kragujevac, baš zbog toga jer je i niški isto '23, valjda. A ovaj kragujevački je 1923, zato što je ranije postojao onaj KFK Radnički, pa je on valjda spojen sa Šumadijom i onda je nastao ovaj. Zlatibor voda više nije sporzor spartaku, ja mislim, a Stankom odavno nije Čukaričkom. Ovo za superligu i ne treba više stavljati. Igra za taj i taj klub i gotovo. Skoro sam vodio diskusiju sa nekim našim, koji isto tako izigrava nadzornika, a ne verujem da je baš mnogo toga napisao. Za strance i kapiram, ali naš čovek je možda i gori po tom pitanju. U sve se meša, a pola toga ne kapira. Mislim, i ja sam tako počeo, ali sam dosta toga provalio, zahvaljujem se tebi i ostalima na savetima, značili su mi. Nisam ja ni neki veliki poznavalac engleskog, pravim dosta grešaka, ali se snalazim. Nego ne mogu uvek da postignem sve što isplaniram. I da, najgore mi je kada neko zalepi "speedy deletion", jer ne mogu stalno da dežuram, a u međuvremenu neko nešto izbriše i onda... Zato sam počeo da pravim beckup u notepad-u za dosta toga.

E sad, vidim da si dodao Mićića i Jakimovskog. Mislim da je Jakimovski letos raskinuo ugovor sa Jagodinom, ja sam to negde pročitao pa sam jedva iskopao neku referencu na rumunskom i dodao ga na listu od letos. A za Mićića je o.k. On je bio pod suspenzijom, ali mu je tek sada istekao ugovor. Žurnal je jednom napisao da je otišao iz kluba letos, ali ga treba izbrisati sa te liste, jer mislim da je tek sada zvanično Napustio napredak.

Takođe i tebi sve najlepše u ovoj, sada i zvanično, 2015! Lotom (talk) 11:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Da, da, da, u pravu si, to 1923 je ostalo iz vremena fuzije sa Šumadijom. Čak su se jedne sezone zvanično nazivali Radnički Šumadija 1923, pa se valjda Šumadija sledeće godine ponovo obnovila pa je ostalo samo Radnički 1923. I Spartak je imao to Zlatibor Voda jer su se bili fuzionisali sa FK Zlatibor Voda. Kao i Sloboda Point Sevojno što je igrala pod tim imenom sezonu ili dve.

Ahahaha to za editovanje te potpuno razumem, kad nabasaš na nekog našeg koji misli da je u pravu, neće ga Bog ubediti da nije! Ali uvek, makar 10 godina već bio editor, uvek ima nešto što može bolje, drugačije, i ja kao i ti i svi i dalje se pitam jel možda bolje nešto ovako ili onako, to je baš i čar čini mi se ove ovakve otvorene enciklopedije, gde uz dijalog sa ostalima stvaraš norme koje i one same mogu uvek da se promene ako se dokaže da je drugi način bolji.

Za brisanje, samo da znaš, ako ti je neki članak nepravedno izbrisan, a dešava se to često, možemo uvek nekog administrator da zamolimo da vrati članak. Imaju administrator sačuvane sve izbrisane članke. Nekad se dešava da neki fudbaler još ne prolazi notability, pa admin ga izbriše i kaže tom što je napravio članak da kad taj igrač napravi prvi nastup u pro ligi, da mu traži recreation of article, i onda ga taj admin vrati sa sve artice history, sve baš kao što je članak bio kad je bio izbrisan.

Za Jakimovskog, verovatno je bio slučaj gde se dogovorio sa Jagodinom da ga puste da ide ako nadje neki klub još od prošlog leta, ali je imao ugovor sa Jagodinom do zime. Ruku dajem da je ono on sam sebi na članku tada povećavao cifre u infoboxu. Nije očigledno našao nijedan klub koji bi platio neko malo obeštećenje za njega Jagodini, i onda je sačekao do zime da mu istekne ugovor i kao Slobodan potpisao sa ovim italijanima. Ovo predpostavljam, jer naši klubovi dosta ovo rade, igrač nije više u klubu traži novi klub, a u stvari je i dalje pod ugovorom samo što ima dogovor da ne prima platu, ne igra, i obećanje da će ga pustiti u bilo koji drugi klub za neko malo obeštećenje. FkpCascais (talk) 15:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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Dragan Trajković

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Recreation of deleted article

Uspeo sam ti Đorđe Vukobrat, vidi na mojoj strain poruku koju je admin kojeg sam zamolio da vrati stranu ostavio. Pozdrav! PS: Video sam tvoj sandbox druge lige, uau!!! :) FkpCascais (talk) 18:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

U pravu si za onog korejanca u Kraljevu... nije Chang Hyuk-jin, on je igrao za Gangwon krajem marta 21 marta... Poz! FkpCascais (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Players making self-promotion

Vidi ovog al se promoviše :D FkpCascais (talk) 11:39, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Poznato mi je to, samo ja onda batalim takve strane da održavam. Nije on neki igrač, koliko sam ga ispratio onda dok je bio u Kraljevu. Evo ti sad ovaj Kurtušić, slična situacija je i sa njim. Inače, Vukobrata je onaj ponovo izbrisao. Lotom (talk) 22:10, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Pomoć

Retko tražim pomoć, ali treba mi ovde: KF Trepça. Vidi ako imaš vremena na mojoj talk page na dnu i na njegovoj talk page o čemu se radi. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Pa na to I mislim. Da ako vidiš negde nešto napisano o tome da sačuvaš da imamo kao izvor. Hvala, pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hugo Filipe Oliveira

Hi there from Portugal,

yes, I am fully aware that the full name of the club is Red Star Belgrade, but for reader comprehension "Red Star" would be enough, the full name of the club appears in the intro and the storyline, so the reader would know what Red Star was being discussed.

But I give up, you win. Attentively --84.90.219.128 (talk) 13:15, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Jovović

Ja sam ubeđen da je čovek potpisao... Radio sam višestruki diff, nisam video da si ga ti skinuo... Moram malo da kontrolišem temperament... Izvinjavam se. Bora83ns (talk) 14:19, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hvala

Zbog ovoga. Da, srbijafudbal ubacuje statistiku samo od 2001. pa na dalje. Taj editor ume da radi dobre stvari, ali isto ima tendenciju da briše bez potrebe podatke što veoma nervira. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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Transferi leto 2015

Brate, kakav sjajan posao radiš na transfer listi, svaka ti čast! Najbolju transfer listu naše lige uopšte na celom internet imaš. Kaži mi pošto si ga spominjao, jesi kontaktirao administratora srbijafudbal.net, jel ti rekao nešto hoće li nastaviti sa sajtom ili ne? On se meni žalio pre par godina kako sve sam radi ali nisam očekivao da će sad da ugasi ceo sajt. Što se transfera tiče, mislim da nam fali ovaj http://www.zurnal.rs/fudbal/super-liga/23691/jagodina-dobila-tri-pojacanja-popovic-ostri-napad-curana vidiš spominju ganca Frensis Kiermh (Francis Kyermah?) rođen 1996, ali ga nisam nigde našao. FkpCascais (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Zato ga i nisam ubacio, pokušavao sam da nađem, ali mi u pretrazi uvek ponudi Bosmana i nijednog više. Imam u Jagodini par njih iz Sloge koje površno poznajem, mada čisto sumnjam da i oni znaju kako mu se tačno piše ime. Kad ga licenciraju, biće valjda na sajtu SL. Nisam ga kontaktirao, onaj mail sa sajta mu i inače nije radio, a ne znam ni kako mogu da ga kontaktiram. Pisao sam mu par puta u chat box-u i ništa više. Počeću da pravim svoju statistiku, ali nemam baš sve za prva 2 kola srpskih liga i zona, a i biće to malo zajebano, ali skrpiću nešto. Hteo sam da se prijavim za elekronsko izdanje Žurnala na godinu dana, ali nikako nisam pri parama pa odlažem. Za Slogu Kv sam odradio nekoliko sezona, koliko imam podataka, a možda uspem da iščupam i za neke ranije, tako da će to biti u mojim sandboxovima. Kontao sam neki sajt da napravim, ali nezgodno je to sam održavati, a za bolji sajt ti treba i jači server. Ja izvlačim sad koliko mogu sa Srbijafudbala, jer imam keširano ponešto, ali sam skoro reinstalirao komp, tako da je dosta toga nedostupno. Što se transfera tiče, vodim neku svoju evidenciju, pa uspevam da pokrijem većinu. A na sajtovima domaćih kubova je totalni bedak. Na sajtu OFK Beograda stoji da je golman Vraneš '96, ali je on u stvari '97. Bar tako stoji na sajtu SL, a i branio je za omladince za vikend. Lotom (talk) 19:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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Amanovic in Javor

I got the info at makedonskisport, here is the link of the article (in Macedonian): http://www.sport.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=7C1FABE81428C6409E3CC2C905A0CCD0

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Ne znam da li si ti pisao ili ne,ali samo da te obavjestim da Nikola Lekovic jos nije napustio Partizan.Tako da sam obrisao ono sto je objavljeno.

Kad ode zvanicno,onda cemo postaviti., — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazda1970 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Nikola Đorđević

I was looking at what links to the DAB of Nikola Đorđević-it seems some of the articles will need to tell which one. (dang go figure nobody with this name is ever added and now 2 people with nearly the same year of birth are!) Wgolf (talk) 18:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Transferi 2016

Hehe, izvini Bora83ns (talk) 16:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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Mesto rođenja

Samo da ti kažem da srbijafudbal.net nije uvek najprecizniji što se mesta rođenja tiče, administrator mi je priznao da kad ne zna da ukuca mesto prvog kluba gde je igrač igrao. Tako da kad mu stoji neko drugo mesto, to je verovatno tačno, a kad mu stoji isto mesto kao i u prvom klubu gde igra, može da bude tačno ali i ne mora. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 05:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Znam, sećam se da si mi to i ranije napomenuo, a i povezao sam kada sam uočio neke nedoslednosti. Ja proverim šta mogu iz više izvora, pa probam sam da izvučem neki zaključak. Kada bismo barem uspeli da ga nagovorimo da ostavlja to prazno, jer svi to prekopiraju jedni od drugih i onda nastane pometnja. Datumi rođenja takođe mnogima nisu tačno navedeni, ali bolji izvor vrlo često nemamo. Recimo, nevezano za ovo, Šekularac je pre neki dan u navodnom razgovoru sa Kurirom(trebalo mi je nešto da zapalim vatru, ovo je bilo na poslednjoj strani) potvrdio da mu je rođendan 8, a ne 30. novembra. Lotom (talk) 11:08, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Jovan Zucović

born 17 April 2016 - is that correct ?? Radosław Wiśniewski (talk) 14:05, 22 December 2016 (UTC)Radosław Wiśniewski

Aleksandar Todorovski

Većina sajtova mu počnje karijeru u novobeogradskom Radničkom 2002 (znači imao 18 godina) a nigde ne piše gde je bio pre toga. Jedan sajt koji je na blacklist zto moram da ukucam odvojeno ( http:// www.foo tball-talents.co.uk/Clubs-Aleks andar%20Todorovski-3_7-76830-2.html ) kaže da je počeu u rodnom Kraljevu u Slogi. Znaš li šta o tome? FkpCascais (talk) 03:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

@FkpCascais Ništa, nažalost. Lotom (talk) 12:05, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Nešto ne bih rekao jer vanična strana ništa ne govori o tome. Ono što nervira je što editor radi masivne promene u stotinama čak hiljadama strana (OK, često dobre promene), ali komunikacija sa drugima je NULA. Često stvari ili vrte izmena umeju da budu vezane da onda budu izvedene na isti način i u drugim člancima, recimo, Bora, ti, ja često u tim situacijama popričamo inađemo dogovor, to i jeste osnova vikipedije, koncenzus i kolaborativno editovanje. Mnoge sam stvari u prošloti morao da molim tog editora da ne radi, kao na primer da vadi manje klubove iz karijera igrača, ili recimo, kad je masovno brisao sve podatke koji su imali srbjafudbal.net kao izvor jer je tada privremeno sajt bio ugašen pa je on sve vadio. Neke stvari kao recimo da ono "Serbian Cyrillic" bude u template formatu (kao preporučeno u MOSu) on vraća u direktan link, itd. ... Ovo za ime Bačke nisam siguran, on navodi razlog sajt superlige, možda oni ove sezone i jesu zvanično proomenili u OFK, ali ja definitivno nisam za te prvremene promene kao kad neko čist formalno promeni za jednu sezonu FK u OFK ili sponzori(Spartak) da se imenačlanaka menjaju. Mislim, sem ako će biti večno nazvani tako od sada a na dalje. FkpCascais (talk) 02:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Pa pazi, što se Bačke tiče, oni jesu OFK Bačka ove sezone. E sad, tu postoji jedna kontradiktornost koju ja baš i ne razumem. Naime, postojao je neki spor oko imena kluba i čak je predsednik nekad letos nešto govorio o tome kako su FK Bačka i OFK Bačka dva različita kluba, iako je jedan, izgleda, samo formalno postojao. Klub se do ove sezone takmičio kao FK Bačka, a da li je taj spor okončan, pojma nemam. Srbija je ipak, razume se, pravna država. Ja i dalje nisam baš za ovakve promene, eventualno da je samo dodao to slovo "O", jer će sada svi imati osnova da linkovanjem strane jednostavno skrate samo na Bačka. A kako je Bačka geografska oblast, postoji bar još 10 klubova sa tim pojmom u nazivu. Ja bih, najradije i Bačkoj 1901 dodao Subotica u nazivu, jer dosta igrača Spartaka je igralo za obe Bačke, a transfermarkt i gotovo svi inicijalno strani sajtovi sve to prekopiraju. Kada su se sve te promene izdešavale, a to je valjda isto bio jedan od uslova da se takmiče u SL i igraju na svom stadionu, osnovan je i klub OFK Bačka 1945. Ima nešto o tome među onim dokumentima iz saveza. A zvanične strane naših klubova bolje da ne komentarišem, jer sem Zvezde i Partizana niko ne može da se pohvali ozbiljnim sajtom koji se redovno održava. Lotom (talk) 13:50, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Soljenje pameti i te tema.

Nema problema burazeru, taman posla. Neka bude na nivou. Ako si primetio vecinom i ja ubacujem sa oficijalnih sajtova kluba tj. najvise Radnickog iz Nisa, dok me ne iznerviraju u jednom trenutku. :D A ovo sam ubacio iz razloga sto sam video da su nesto izbacili na sajtu, i procitao kao trenerove izjave i jos nekog tipa iz kluba, ali prihvatam sugestiju. Hvala, takodje, da si ziv i zdrav.

Transferi

OK, kontam na šta misliš to za Mičela mada mi nešto deluje da se klubovi ne drže toga, Mičel ne igra za OFK-u još od sredine Novembra i možda se varam ali mislim da je sa Zvezdom... Nego, znaš koji nam izvor fali? Bacar Balde. Čovek je napustio Borac još negde u Novembru ali nisam još nigde našao konkretno da piše da je ugovor koji ih vezuje raskinut. Znaš li nešto možda u vezi njega? FkpCascais (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Nešto mi se čini da on i nema ugovor, jer valjda postoji neki grejs-period tokom kojeg može da igra bez ugovora. U savezu je knjiženo samo kada je preneo papire, ali ne sećam se da sam pročitao njegovo ime u sekciji "Registracija ugovora". Nadam se da će biti objavljeno kada ga obrišu iz registra, jer i on mora da pokupi papire iz saveza. A što se Mičela tiče, jeste on trenirao sa Zvezdom, tj. vratili su ga kada se završila polusezona u PLS, ali kao što obično matični klubovi rade sa igračima na pozajmicama, međutim sporazum o pojazmici zvanično nije raskinut. Stojanović je druga priča jer je na dvojnoj, pa mogu da ga povuku bilo kada u toku sezone. Lotom (talk) 20:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Pozdrav ljudi. Video sam u stampanom zurnalu da su svi igraci na pozajmici iz Zvezde u OFKi vraceni u Zvezdu. Sto se tice novih radovaca, sto ih ne otkomentarises Lotome? Isla je promocija juce, ima i video izvestaj na sajtu FK Rad. Bora83ns (talk) 10:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Ja nisam uspeo da nađem inače bih ubacio. Ovako mi je najlakše, da dodam i posle samo po potrebi skinem šta se ne realizuje, ali bih uglavnom sačekao za većinu toga. To za pozajmice, odnosno raskid istih ne ubacujem ništa sve dok FSS zvanično ne izbaci. Možda sve to jeste tako, ali najviše volim da sačekam zvaničnu potvrdu, jer je svima nama jasno koliko kontradikcije postoji u našem fudbalu. (Sveži primeri Stefan Ilić & Vladimir Đilas) Bude i toga da je neki igrač čak i promovisan kao pojačanje, ali ne prenese papire i onda na kraju ode u neki potpuno treći klub. Tako da što se mene tiče, ne verujem ovim novinarima ni reč, jer su svi počeli da pišu na isti način. Ko se kome uvukao, gde i u kojoj šupi... Sve senzacija do senzacije, a fudbal nam je totalno otišao u kurac, kao i većina drugih stvari. Čak i ugovori nisu validni sve dok ne budu proknjiženi u savezu, do tada je sve mrtvo slovo na papiru, ovako bar postoji neki pravni osnov. Lotom (talk) 12:02, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Емил Роцков

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Problem Andreja Apostolovic

Can you change his page, some smart boy deleted all? Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreja_Apostolovi%C4%87 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bohemian018 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Živeli!

By retributing the bottle of Zaječarsko you gave me, I want to emphasize how flattered I feel since it has been you who, for quite some time now, has been the one who has been creating, updating, improving, expanding and doing most of the work around Serbian football articles. You are ammong the best editors I have ever seen. Your dedidation, seriousness and excellent collaboration with others make you a role-model. Serbian football owns you quite a lot. It is so great having you on board. Pozdrav!!! FkpCascais (talk) 20:45, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Blagodarim! Lotom (talk) 23:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Da li se možda sećaš odakle je Bismarck Appiah došao u Slogu? FkpCascais (talk) 20:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Trebalo bi da je Vision u pitanju. Gotovo svi ovi koji su u PM stigli iz Gane potiču odatle. Lotom (talk) 21:21, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

"I am Stefan Andrić!!!" ahaha pazi malog, igrao za makedonce pre par godina, pa pošto ga nisu više zvali sad je ljut pa izigrava velikog srbina ahahahahaha komedija! FkpCascais (talk) 05:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Video sam. Što se mene tiče, neka ga. Znam da će stalno da vraća. U principu, nisu to ni bile neke zvanične utakmice, ali u tome i jeste suština. Da jesu, sumnjam da bi tražio da mu oproste "ružnu prošlost", kao vi Stojkoviću. Imaš ti tako neke likove kojima je bitnije da prave sebi promociju nego da daju maksimum na terenu. Ne tvrdim za ovog malog, jer on malo nema ni sreće, što sa povredama, što sa lošim klubovima. Ali imaš primer Marjana Jugovića, koji po eseju na wiki spada među napadače sa najboljom realizacijom, a ne verujem da je toliki broj golova dao ni na treningu. Isto, stalno vadi Slogu iz infoboksa, jer je bio blago rečeno katastrofalan. Još na jednoj utakmici samoinicijativno uzme loptu da šutira penal, iako niko nije bio za to. Zapne kao volina i naravno promaši. Jesenas je bio kod Gašića u Trajalu. Vidim da Dražiću isto neko održava statistiku, ali kako da dokažeš pojedincima čemu služi datum više nemam ideju. Dimitrije Tomović se takođe uključio, ali mi zasad izgleda kao odmeren lik, uopšte gledano na dosadašnju karijeru. Deluje da ne beži od obaveza i ne preskače stepenike. Lotom (talk) 08:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Novi fudbali

Jesmo odustali od novijih brojeva, ili planiras da budu za leto? Ima tu sta da se doda, ali sve nesto cekam da ti klimnes... Vojvodina je dovela dva Ganijca, koji izgleda imaju pravo nastupa u poslednja tri kola lige, dvojac iz Kolubare je na Filipinima... Bora83ns (talk) 19:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

User:Lotom/List of Serbian football transfers summer 2017; Lotom (talk) 00:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Svaka cast, nisam ni sumnjao :) Ostajes pri tome da se radi i prva liga? Bora83ns (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Ne znam, videćemo šta da radimo do početka prelaznog roka. Ima dosta zajebancije oko toga, ali ako mi to ne pokrijemo, to niko neće da radi. A opet i mi kasnije imamo neku evidenciju u slučaju potrebe za kreiranjem novih artikala ili već nečeg sličnog. Ovo sam propratio kad je već izašlo, a ako odustanemo, da se lako obrisati. Lotom (talk) 16:16, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Imaš li nešto za ovog lika? Stefan Đorđević Bora83ns (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

U kom smislu? :D Nije mi nešto preterano interesantan za neku ekspanziju i budženje biografije, ako na to misliš. Lotom (talk) 16:37, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Lik je potpuna misterija, ono što sam iskopao na netu je toliko obskurno da boli... Ako imaš neki link za njega, ne moraš budžiti ti ništa, daj neki source, popuniću ga ja... Bora83ns (talk) 14:43, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Videću ako mogu da nađem nešto. Samo Boro, da se ne lažemo, nema od vas ništa. Menadžerski igrači i procenti, treneri se ne zadržavaju jer im se mešaju u posao i sve tako u krug. Ja se svake godine potajno nadam da će Voša da uradi nešto ozbiljnije, ali od toga 'leba nema. Uvek skockate sasvim solidnu ekipu koja se rasturi i svake godine iznova.

Uzgred, odradio sam neke statistike za neke zone i tako to. Verovatno ću da zapakujem u rar/zip i dodam link za download da razmotriš šta da radimo s tim.

Gledaću da sredim ove statistike čim se završi sezona pošto u junu verovatno ne izlazim na nešto značajno jer su nam unakazili rokove ove godine. Kasnije ću da probam malo da se pritajim, u julu imam obaveza preko glave. Lotom (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Tako je u klubu otkad ja pratim isti, što je od neke 96.-97. :) Ima nas poslednjih par mohikanaca koji još odemo na stadion... Radni naziv - idioti... Pogledaj broj gledalaca na stadionu protiv Radničkog. I to ne u žurnalu. Pogledaj brojku koju je zvanični sajt izbacio. 500. A po ličnom utisku, ne verujem da je bilo više od 400. Znamo svi da od nas nema ništa, u upravi nam sedi lik koji je ojadio klub za milione(da, milione) sa mahinacijama oko transfera Sergeja Milinković-Savića, a sad obećava kule i gradove :) Niko nije ćorav, jedini put odavde je nadole, samo se nadamo da kad dođemo do dna nećemo izlomiti noge, već će ostati neka cela kost... Što se odlazaka tiče, otići će svak ko može, u to budi siguran. Samo što smo počeli da se ponašamo kao Novi Pazar, pošto dozvoljavamo sebi luksuz da se potpisuju igrači na 12(!!!???!!!) meseci(Maslać, Lotinac). I to je recept za propast. E sad, samo još da vidimo koliko ćemo izdržati pre nego što se taj trenutak dogodi Bora83ns (talk) 15:20, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Nema o ovom Đorđeviću nekih korisnih informacija. Ono što donekle možda mogu da opravdam je to što na Srbijafudbalu stoji mesto rođenja Bijelo Polje, uzevši u obzir politiku kluba u tom periodu. Opet, nisam siguran u to. Inače, ovaj Bempah je od mene stariji 1 dan, pod uslovom da je datum rođenja tačan naravno. Negde sam nišao na neke spekulacije o tome da je '90, što nije retka pojava kada su ti Afrikanci u pitanju. Bilo rasistički ili ne, ali za njih se uvek sumnja da imaju koju godinu više. 18:00, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Ne verujem da tu ima rasističkih komponenti. Jednostavno, zbog mogućnosti manipulacije u afričkim državama, u skorijoj prošlosti je bilo ne malo slučajeva igrača kojima je lažiran datum rođenja. Ukoliko pogledaš malo u prošlost, nigerijska reprezentacija do nekih 17 godina je imala nekolicinu igrača koji su bili dosta stariji. I zbog toga su fasovali ozbiljnu kaznu. Bora83ns (talk) 09:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Savo Pavicevic je i prosle polusezone bio pomocni trener/igrac u Spartaku, bio je neki tekst o tome. Tako da to sto je imenovan i u ovaj strucni stab samo znaci da ostaje u klubu... Slican angazman ima Branko Zigic u Proleteru NS. Bora83ns (talk) 18:03, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Prvi, drugi, peti tim i licenciranje za UEL

Pozdravi. Samo da utvrdim, koji tacno kriterijum koristimo za stavljanje igraca u prvi tim / B listu / other? Bar sto se Zvezde tice. Na stranu sto mi se licno pravljenje ovih dodatnih sekcija ni malo ne dopada. Ako koristimo licenciranje za ligu evrope onda bi jos neke igrace koji su trenutno izlistani u prvom timu trebali da prebacimo u B listu (Adzic, Stojanovic, Luka Ilic), zar ne? Takodje ako cemo striktno da se drzimo UEFA-inog licenciranja onda ni Jovicic i ostala pojacanja iz prethodnih par dana ne bi trebalo da budu izlistani u prvom timu? Info sa zvanicnog UEFA-inog sajta: FK Crvena zvezda squad Nightfall87 (talk) 13:39, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Slazem se da bi svi igraci koji su pod ugovorom trebali da na neki nacin budu evidentirani, jedino mi se ne svidja sto ne mozemo da pronadjemo neki jasan kriterijom ko u koju kategoriju treba da upadne nego moramo da radimo po osecaju. A to mi nije preterano enciklopedijski. :) Ne znam koliko bi bilo pametno napraviti zasebnu stranu za rezervni sastav i akademiju, po uzoru na Engleske klubove. Ne deluje mi da zadovoljava wikipedijine notability kriterijume, pa se ne bih zajebavao sa time samo da bi mi admin obrisao clanak. Fala za pregled sezone. :) Radio sam ja to i ranije al proslih par sezona nisam imao dovoljno vremena da sve ispratim na odgovarajuci nacin. Nightfall87 (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Gobeljic

Cao cao. Da se caskom dogovorimo oko ovoga. Znam da je Gobeljic vise igrao kao vezni. Al sam ga prebacio u defanzivce zato sto je na zvezdinom zvanicnom sajtu, sajtu UEFA-e i na transfermarketu izlistan kao desni bek. Pa sad ne znam sta je pametnije staviti, ono sto je nama poznato ili ono sto pise u referencama. Nightfall87 (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Nema tu neke prevelike pameti. Moraš da prihvatiš da su sajtovi naših klubova sve manje relevantni. Informacije o igračima su oskudne i vrlo često netačne. Uefa licencira igrače prema spisku koji klub pošalje, ali ako imaju igrače u bazi od ranije, onda ih često kategorizuju po tome. Le Talek počeo kao napadač i tako je ubačen. Gobelju znam iz grada, pošto smo obojica iz Kraljeva, a i pratim Slogu relativno aktivno nekih 6-7 godina. Igrao je dugo i kao desni bek, ali je korisniji u vezi. Ono što je interesantno jeste da je skoro svaki igrač koji je prošao Sloginu školu i stigao do prvog tima bar jednom igrao desnog beka. Tu su i Siniša Mladenović, Veljko Antonijević i Nemanja Miletić, a sva četvorica su istovremeno igrala u prvoj postavi Sloge. Opet, nije pametno da brzamo sa sklanjanjem igrača iz prvog tima jer su zvanično još uvek tu. Novinari pišu svašta i ne verujem im previše. Pratimo sve redovno i kad bude proknjiženo u zvaničnoj dokumentaciji lako ćemo da ubacimo. Lotom (talk) 16:45, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Debil koji skida "loan"

Jebote koliko je tvrdoglavo uporan onaj debil koji skida "loan" iz infoboxa Zvezdinim igracima. Retko viđena tolika debilčina. Već traje godinama. Ne znam je li lik stvarno neki retard u nekoj ludnici ili šta. FkpCascais (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Zbog tih idiota sam uglavnom i počeo da ubacujem statistiku u sve moguće artikle, gdegod ima smisla. Smeta mu to što stoji isti klub dva puta zaredom i onda bi on to hteo da "racionalizuje" po svom, bez bilo kakvog validnog izvora ili relevantnog razloga. Primetio sam ja to i kod nekih drugih igrača, ali mu oni valjda nisu toliko značajni, pa ih ne dira stalno. Lepo kažu ljudi: "Pametan zna dosta, a budala sve!" Lotom (talk) 22:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Transferi 2

Izasao novi fudbal pre 2 dana, pa nisam upratio jel odrađeno na stranici :D

@Gazda1970 Sve je uredno, nemaš brige. Lotom (talk) 17:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Lotome, Vanredni Broj 13 je ubačen, briši ako ti nešto smeta. Bora83ns (talk) 13:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Lotome, zbog haosa na poslu, nisam baš u mogućnosti da se bavim novim fudbalom. Možeš slobodno preuzeti, ako ti vreme i obaveze dozvoljavaju. Pozdrav, Bora83ns (talk) 09:49, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Tvoj predlog prihvaćen, krenuću ekipe iz Vojvodine da radim. Do kraja dana očekujem da ću ih završiti. Bora83ns (talk) 10:12, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Našao sam ga, majku mu... Čak me je malo sramota da mi je tek sada ovo palo na pamet... Pravilnik o registraciji Stranica 28, Član 30, objašnjen Bora83ns (talk) 07:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Dodatno, krenuo sam da gledam vanredni 19 i redovni broj 36. Molim te mi samo odjavi ovde dokle si stigao sa ta dva broja, da ne tražim do sudnjeg dana :) Bora83ns (talk) 07:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Što se tiče vanrednog 19, on je manje više pri kraju. Ako te ne mrzi, pređi BG klubove, ja tu nemam pojma šta se dešava. Ostao mi je još TSC pored BG klubova. Sutra planiram da odradim TSC, i krećem na 36. Mali edit, upravo je izašao vanredni broj 20... Bora83ns (talk) 18:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Završio sam manje-više i 36. Nisam se bavio suviše BG klubovima. Iako sam neke odradio. To važi i za Vanredni 19 i za redovni 36. Jedino što nije dodato iz 36. je apsolutni pobednik. Radnički Niš -> Car Konstantin. 25 igrača na pozajmicu... Kontam da ću Niš da sredim neki drugi put... Počeću sa Vanrednim brojem 20, iako tu neće biti previše posla. Bora83ns (talk) 10:21, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Prošao sam i kroz Vanredni Broj 20, iz njega je ostao samo Radnički iz Kragujevca. U svakom slučaju, prođi kako budeš imao vremena, pa proveri da li ima nešto da sam propustio. Meni je cilj da danas - sutra odradim Radnički Niš iz 36, i Radnički Kragujevac iz Vanrednog Broja 20. Pozdrav, Bora83ns (talk) 11:37, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Pozdrav Lotome, jesi potegao možda zimsku stranicu za transfere u sandboxu? Ako jesi, šibni mi link, pa da krenem da i ja dopunjavam na šta naletim. Bora83ns (talk) 09:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Ovde ti je moja priprema, tu uglavnom ubacim sve što započnem. Ne znam šta ćemo sa golmanom Kneževićem koji je prešao u Čuku, ja sam pre za to da ide u zimsku. Ima pravo na još sezonu i po sa omladincima. Ovo što je bez izvora je uglavnom iz novina.Lotom (talk) 10:04, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Udri Kneževića na zimu :) Zbog njega sam ti i pisao :D Bora83ns (talk) 12:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Što se tiče objavljivanja transfer liste, mislim da možeš koliko već danas/sutra da to objaviš. Nemamo šta puno da čekamo, utakmice su gotove, transferi su već počeli, fudbal se objavljuje... Mislim da je to to. Bora83ns (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Ne mogu dovoljno da ti se izvinim, izbio mi je haos u kući, nisam bio pri računaru 3 dana. Hvala, uz veliko izvinjenje. Bora83ns (talk) 08:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Opušteno, meni se završio rok na faksu, pa sam bio rasterećeniji. Lotom (talk) 11:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Augustine Ngwagwu

Novi napadač Metalca, Augustine Ngwagwu, gledam svugde piše da je rođen 12/12/1996 (http://int.soccerway.com/players/augustine-nwagwu/490293/ , https://www.transfermarkt.com/augustine-nwagwu/profil/spieler/485722 , https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2017/player/16233152/augustine-nwagwu , itd.) kad odjednom http://www.ktff.org/InfoBank/PlayerDetails/8621 Ahaaha, https://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/augustine-nwagwu/ je stavio isto 12/12/1989. Kako kradu godine, i to ladno 7 godina ukradu... FkpCascais (talk) 13:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Znaš kako to ide sa Afrikancima, nikad nisi siguran za datum rođenja. Baš sam Bori napomenuo da sam negde za Bempaha naleteo na tekst gde piše '90. Lotom (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Ma, u vreme SFRJ i nasi su to radili. Moji su radili u MIPu (ondasnjem SIPu) i sređivali im papire tako da znam za nekoliko bas nasih poznatih poznatih zvezda koji su ukrali godine... :D I zvanicno i dalje im stoji falš datum iako su u stvari stariji po 5, 6, godina. FkpCascais (talk) 21:00, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Baš tako. Dok nisu sagrađena moderna porodilišta, odnosno dok nije nastala ekspanzija gradova, žene su se neretko porađale u poljima. Čekalo se neko vreme po rođenju da deca budu upisana, pa su datumi rođenja često upisivani otprilike i po sećanju. Lotom (talk) 21:10, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Sutjeska u biografijama fudbalera

Dobar dan (ili dobro vece),

Hteo sam da objasnim moju logiku iza navike da napisem samo "Sutjeska" bez "Niksic" (na stranici Vladimira Jovovica). Na grbu Sutjeske iz Niksica pise samo "Sutjeska", a na grbu Sutjeske iz Foce, pise i Sutjeska i Foca. Tako da sam svestan da postoje vise klubova sa imenom Sutjeska. Medjutim, tako je i sa Partizanom. Ima Partizan i u Kosovskoj Mitrovici. Pa na grbu Partizana ne pise Partizan Beograd nego samo Partizan. Kod igraca koji su igrali za Partizan, pise samo Partizan a ne Partizan Beograd. Bez obzira na cinjenicu sto postoje vise Partizana u fudbalu, poznato je da Partizan bez imena grada moze samo da znaci onaj iz Beograda zbog istorije Partizana (iz Beograda). U slucaju Sutjeske, samo je Sutjeska iz Niksica igrala redovno u prvoj ligi Jugoslavije, pa od tada jos redovnije u manjim takmicenjima Savezne republike Jugoslavije pa i Crne Gore. Ne bi me iznenadilo da ima vise ovakvih primera. Nowhere77 (talk) 22:25, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

U redu je to u potpunosti. Međutim i naziv samog artikla je FK Sutjeska Nikšić i mislim da nije potrebno da unosimo dodatnu zabunu, jer veliki broj čitalaca i ne obrati pažnju na sve. Ima i previše onih koji bukvalno kopiraju tekst sa Wikipedije i zato mislim da nije najpametnije potkraćivati prilikom linkovanja u ovakvim slučajevima. Saglasan sam da ima još takvih primera, ali su Partizan, pa i Vojvodina najpozatiji nosioci tog imena na širem području od našeg regiona. Takođe, što se tiče Sutjeske iz Nikšića, poznato mi je da je bila redovna u takmičenjima bivše SFRJ. Ali treba biti realan i po tom pitanju, jer država pod tim imenom ne postoji već 25 godina i svaka od novoosnovanih republika ima svoja državna takmičenja. Nadolazeće generacije možda nisu dovoljno upoznate sa tim činjenicama, a cilj Wikipedije jeste globalna dostupnost informacija. Skoro smo poveli diskusiju oko imena članka OFK Bačke iz Bačke Palanke, gde je većina bila za to da pored imena ostane i odredbenica za mesto, prvenstveno zbog subotičkog kluba sa istim imenom, koji je najstariji na teritoriji Republike Srbije. Ja pribegavam tom okraćivanju isključivo ukoliko ne postoji više artikala sa tim imenom, odnosno ukoliko ne postoje klubovi nosioci tog imena sa bogatijom istorijom. Uzgred da napomenem i da su svi poznatiji "manji" klubovi koji nose ime Partizan rasformirani ili pali na najniže grane(Partizan KM - fuzija sa Trepčom, odnosno promena imena kluba / Partizan BB - lokalna kragujevačka takmičenja). Postoje još i klubovi Vojvodina Perlez, Vojvodina Tovariševo, Vojvodina Crepaja... Sve su to predstavnici istoimenih mesta za koje nije realno očekivati da će se obreti u najvišem takmičenju u skorije vreme. Pozdav i svako dobro! Lotom (talk) 05:07, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Ok, moram priznati kao neko koji nije ziveo na prostorima bivse Juge da je moguce da propustam neke stvari. Ja sam na primer sada naucio da je Foca ista opstina u kojoj se desila bitka za Sutjesku. Ja to ranije nisam znao i da nije te cinjenice bio bi uporan da okracim naziv Sutjeske iz Niksica. Sad razumem vise tvoju opreznost i necu nista tu da menjam/uredim. Samo da iznesem jos malo razimisljanja koja imam, za druge klubove koji dele iste nazive. Sami klubovi (a kamoli urednici kao mi) u vise navrata se bave okracivanjem sopstvenih imena--da bi povecali domet pratilaca, posebno iz inostranstva (znam da ovo zvuci nerealno, ali u ovom slucaju neka "inostranstvo" ukljucuje i zemlje iz JU). Za mnoge strance nije lako reci "Krusevac", ali zato je puno lakse reci "Napredak". Zbog takvih okolnosti na zvanicnom sajtu Napretka (iz Krusevca) pise i pominje se samo Napredak, skoro svaki put bez oredbenice za mesto. Po mom misljenju, klubovi kao Napredak (Krusevac), Sutjeska (Niksic), i Buducnost (Podgorica) su poznati po samim nazivima a kamoli po mestima u kojima su bazirani. Mislim da uglavnom im ne treba odredbenica za mesto, ali u slucaju Sutjeske mislim da je mozda presudna cinjenica da je bitka na Sutjesci bila u opstini Foca i da zato Sutjeska iz Niksica ne treba da bude okracena na samo "Sutjeska". Nowhere77 (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Pre par godina sam i sam bio tog mišljenja, međutim kako moderna tehnologija napreduje, raste i potreba za informacijama. Možda jeste nezgodno za izgovor, ali isti problem imam na primer i ja ukoliko poželim da izgovorim imena pojedinih klubova sa Islanda, ili slično. Ovim sam hteo da naglasim da se svi ti klubovi bez obzira na svoju veličinu u Srbiji tretiraju kao manji, jer su praktično male šanse da se bore za nešto više od 4. mesta na tabeli. Pojmovi u nazivu klubova osnovanih za vreme SFRJ uglavnom se vezuju za komunizam, bratstvo i jedinstvo itt. I uopšte gledano, nazivi sportskih društava su se oduvek uglavnom vezivali za period, kulturu, mesto, tradiciju, ili jednostavno modu u vreme osnivanja. Vodim se time da ukoliko domaći klub već ima odredbenicu za mesto ili bilo koju drugu koja ga nedvosmisleno opisuje, a da pritom nije ime generalnog sponzora, ne treba okraćivati. Iz prostog razloga što ima dosta klubova istog ili sličnog naziva u bivšim jugoslovenskim republikama, koji interpretirani na domaćem jeziku u nekoj od njih zvuče doslovno isto. Druga je priča na onim jezicima koji podrazumevaju zastavice pored imena klubova. Lotom (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk–page stalker) Ako mi dozvolite, koliko sam primetio generalno rukovodioci naših klubova imaju veoma malo obzira prema pristupačnosti izgovora imena kluba stancima. Zadnji primer je subotički Spartak koji umesto da u moru "Spartaka" po svetu baš gleda da potencira prepoznatljivost "Spartaka Subotice" kao brenda sa tradicijom (a imaju i u korist činjenicu da je reč "Subotica" još i relativno pristupačna) oni prave zablude koristeći imena kao što je bila "Spartak Zlatibor voda" (pazi, a Zlatibor i Subotica skoro da nisu mogli biti udaljeniji!) ili sada ovo "Spartak Ždrepčeva krv" (stranac koji izgovori korektno novi naziv zaslužuje nagradu). Tako da ruku dajem da čak i strani fudbalski entuzijasti nisu skroz sigurni je li taj srpski Spartak uvek bio isti klub, ili ih ima iz Subotice, Zlatibora i ko zna šta im sve kroz glavu prolazi

Koliko sam konkretno video sve što naši urade kad žele da pokušaju da ime klua predstave vani, to je mu FK promene u FC, što je po pravilima engleskog jezika pogrešno. Imena klubova sa prostora srpsko–hrvatskog se ne prevode. Zna se po pravilima imena klubova iz kojih jezičnih prostora se na engleskom prevode ili ne. To se najbolje vidi u praksi u izvlačenjima kuglica sa imenima klubova u UEFi. Uvek piše "FK Partizan" ili "FK Sarajevo" nikad "FC Partizan" ili "FC Sarajevo", ali naši to ne znaju. Imena exYu, austrijskih, čeških, poljskih, nemačkih, skandinavskih, itd. se ne prevode, a imena grčkih, ruskih, beloruskih, kiparskih, itd. se pretvaraju u "FC". Zvezda je u našem slučaju izuzetak jer ima na engleskom jeziku dominantno korišćenje kao "Red Star Belgrade", i zato ga tako pišemo, inače može i "FK Crvena zvezda" ali nikad "FC Red Star" recimo.

Konkretno kod primera koje spominjete, mišljenja sam da ostavljanje imena grada samo ima pozitivne strane. Budućnost, Sutjeska i Napredak samo doprinose svojim gradovima koristeći ime grada. Takođe, sva tri grada, Podgorica naročito, nisu veoma nepristupačni strancima da ih izgovore. Svojevremeno sam čak bio za to da se i Partizan piše kao "Partizan Belgrade". Mišljenja sam da su hrvatski klubovi Dinamo Zagreb i Hajduk Split dobrineli većoj prepoznatljivosti Zagreba i Splita kao najvažnijih krvatskih gradova. Mislim da u člancima koji se bave isključivo o crnogorskom fudbalu, skratiti imena u Budućnost, Sutjesku, Rudar, Mladost, Zeta, itd. nije problem niti pravi konfuziju, ali u člancima igrača, pošto ih dosta skače iz lige u ligu i države u drugu državu, koristiti imena klubova uključujući ime grada je korisno i bilo bi konstantno i sa slučajima u kojima jedan isti igrač igra u više Mladosti, Budućnosti, itd. FkpCascais (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah! I imali smo i slučaj Radničkog 1923. Nisam siguran iz kojih tačno razloga je Radnički Kragujevac odlučio to, verovatno ta pristupačnost i simplifikacija imena. Uglavnom, sve što su time postigli je da i dalje ima fudbalskih sajtova koji ih mešaju sa niškim Radničkim kojem na grbu stoji velikim brojevima ispisano 1923 i imaju iste boje. FkpCascais (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Kakav odličan tim imate, konačno zajedno da igramo grupnu fazu LE. Gobeljic fantastičan od kad je ušao. Imamo odlične trenere konačno, i oba tima dobro izbalansirane timove sa iskusnim/mladima, domaćim/stranima, po meni definitivan rezultat većeg truda oba kluba u dovođenju pojačanja zadnjih godina. Bravo! FkpCascais (talk) 20:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Čestitam i ja vama! Da se razumemo, imali smo daleko teži posao od vas večeras, ali bitno je da smo konačno tu posle ravno 10 godina. Zvezda ima odličan kostur, uz 2-3 igrača u zavisnosti od odlazaka biće vrh. Partizanu će biti potrebna bar 3-4 igrača. Jedan levi štoper obavezno jer Ostojića svaki ozbiljniji igrač može da izvozi. Od Miletića znam šta mogu da očekujem, jer je čovek zver od štopera. Brz, jak, neverovatno skočan i relativno tehnički potkovan za tu poziciju. Ima još nedelju dana do kraja prelaznog roka i treba brzo da se radi. Ovo je veliki uspeh ne samo za naš fudbal, već i za celu naciju. Isto, nije mi jasno zašto niko nije verovao u Radina kad je čovek neverovatna radilica na terenu. Lotom (talk) 21:23, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Kod nas je Đurđević danas najavio da će mu Derbi biti oproštajna... Vazura je najavio 2 ili 3 pojačanja, Antonov jedan od njih. Kod vas se nadam da neće biti odlazaka, taman ste skockali tim. Milojević mi se mnogo sviđa kao trener. Drago mi je da je i Kanga proradio i potvrdio da je strašan igrač. On u određenim parametrima ima najbolju moguću ocenu (posed lopte, pregled igre, driblinzi) pravi je luksuz da ga gledamo u našoj ligi. I mlad je. Dobro je da ste konačno bili strpljivi i shvatili da se tim ne stvara preko noći. Novinari malo preteruju kad govore kako je ovaj tim stvoren za 3 nedelje, nije baš tako, ovaj tim je stvoren dolaskom Božovića i od tada se u svakom prelaznom roku usavršavao i vremenom uigravao. E sad, jasno je da je Milojević za Božovića tata lično. Jedino dobro os grofa je bilo što je doveo gomilu stranaca i time promenio trend u modi do tada da se dovode na kašičicu. Da bi se došlo do ove situacije danas, klub mora da radi kao što ste radili, da istrpi i neizbežne promašaje, i samo tako je moguće da posle 2,3, sezone imaš uigrane, prlagođene strance u timu. Borjan je pun pogodak, ja sam svojevremeno hteo da dođe kod nas. Daje sigurnost odbrani koja potpuno drugačije izgleda ovako pojačana oovog leta. Savic, Stojkovic, Rodic, Frimpong, Gobeljic, Le Talek, odlični, a ono što je naročito uočljivo je sigurnost u odbrani koju je Milojevic implementirao ne samo pojačanjima, nego taktikom u kojoj odbrana računa uvek na podršku sredine. Vidljivo je bilo kako je presing počinjao još od Boaćija. Neverovatno kako je Milojevic disciplinovao ceo tim da se kompaktno brani. Na ovaj način presing već kreće u protivničkoj strani, protivnik mora da igra brzo i precizno, a vi visokim presingom ih terate na greške i otežavate im mogućnost da upute opasne lopte napadacima ili stvore neke ozbiljnije sanse. Sa Milojevicem delujete fizicki daleko spremniji.

Kod nas baš Ostojic kojeg u zadnje vreme baš hvalim, umalo da dobro kiksne... Ne znam jeli si video situaciju u kojoj sa već vođstvom smo se malo opustili, i vraćamo loptu nazad, sve do Stojketa, i počnemo tu nešto da se igramo, pod presingom, i baš osetim da to ne valja, kad Stojke doda Ostojiću, koji je imao na sebi dva igrača, i sve što može je ili da je šutne u aut ili da je vrati nazad Stojketu, i ovaj je vrati ali slabo doda, lopta ostane između njih a mađar uleće brzo i Ostojić ga obori. Realno, bilo je za crveni, i sam Ostojic je to znao i kad mu je sudija dao samo žuti jasno mu se videlo na licu da mu je laknulo. Da je tad bio crveni bogami ne znam da li bi ovako završilo. Ostalo što spominješ se slazem potpuno. I za Ostojica se slazem, hvalio sam ga u smislu da je on bio dobro low cost resenje ali za Evropu je previse tanak. FkpCascais (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Evo i ja sam pratio nastavak razgovora i kao navijac Zvezde moram da cestitam vama oboje za ulazak u LE. Koliko god se pljuje na njega, Zoran Tosic je uzasno potcenjen igrac (makar bio) i Partizan je naparavio strasan posao njegovim potpisavanjem. Ja bih voleo da za nekoliko godina pocnemo sa 2 kluba u kvalifikacijama za ligu Sampiona. Nowhere77 (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Hvala, ali se bojim da nam je koeficijent užasan i da nije realno očekivati to uskoro. Što se kadra tiče, mislim da mi nigde toliko ne škripimo, jer Milojević zna šta radi i ume taktički da pokrije ono što mu poziciono nedostaje. Ali je potrebno da se malo produži klupa i dovedu ulternative Kangi(obavezno), Boaćiju i još jedan pozadi u zavisnosti od situcije sa Le Talekom i bekovima. U Partizanu sam Ostojića apostofirao zato što mi se čini da nema pregled igre kada je pod pritiskom i da ume da se uspaniči. Za naše livade nije problem, ali ne bi bilo loše obratiti pažnju na to. Mali Bošnjak može na još jednu sezonu u Teleoptik, biće često i odsutan kao kapiten reprezentacije do 19 godina i da se još malo okali. Levi bek vam sad nije neophodan, nisu ova dvojica toliko loša. Pa da dođe Roberto Karlos iz najboljih dana, pljuvali bismo ga posle jedne loše partije. Pre vam je potreban neko desno. Špic svakako, a mislim i da je Marjanović nepravedno zapostavljen. Uz najavljenog Tošića moglo bi to solidno da izgleda, mada mi se čini da vam fali i pravo levo krilo. Lotom (talk) 04:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Veliko hvala na čestitkama i, da, i ja se slažem da je Bambi potcenjen. Ja sam veoma srećan njegovim dolaskom. Ali me brine odbrana. Miletici su jedini koji mi se za sada sviđaju, a ostali, ukljucujuci i ove sto spominju kao potencijalna pojacanja mi se nesto nista ne sviđaju. Da nije Evertona i Radina koji resavaju skoro sve jos na sredini, odbrana bi nam drhtala mislim. Đukic mi je uz Jokanovica uvek bio omiljeno resenje za trenera, ali me danas zabrinuo. Imao sam nadu da on za razliku od Tumbe, Stanoja ili Nikolica, posto je dugo bio vani, da ima modernu viziju fudbala. Sto se taktike tice za sada potvrđuje dobru ocenu (drago mi je da je održao lekciju Nikolicu i zbog onih koji toliko vole ovog drugog da su govorili kako ce mo izgubiti i da ce on nadmudriti Đuku). Ali me je zabrinuo jer ne mogu da verujem da ni sa njim ne možemo da se izlečimo zaraznog virusa "naše dece". Napisao sam naravno opširan komentar ali me žurnal odavno cenzuriše. Ta podela u glavnom timu između onih ko su naša deca, od onih koji nisu, samo donosi zlo i potencijalno može da unese nezadovoljstvo i podelu u svlačionici. Kumulus je što Bambi uopšte nije "naše dete" ali nema niko da uradi klik i to proveri (danas je to barem lako). Ali, kao da je uopšte i bitno je li jeste ili nije, da li mu je tata zvao Vukotica na Slavu dok je Bambi bio u omladincima, itd. Sutra nas čeka sigurno strašan derbi što se emocija tiče, a šta će biti na terenu mi je totalna enigma. Čak mislim da su i jedni i drugi koliko god ponavljali obrnuto u medijima, nedovoljno koncentrisani za derbi. Neka bolji pobedi. FkpCascais (talk) 18:57, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Ozegovic

Ahaha jao brate onaj lik mi je skinuo ono sa Ozegovica, ahaha koja botina ulepsava sve vezano za Partizan. Pusti ga, nema veze ono iovako sto sam stavio je bilo malo radikalno mada su svojevremeno u pocetku ovde govorili kako treba bas da ubacujemo igracima desavanja van terena koji su u medijima i tako nam clanci igraca ne postanu samo kolekcija statistike koja se moze naci na bilo kom fudbalskom sajtu nego enciklopedijski clanak u kojem je ubaceno sve po cemu su igraci postali poznati u medijima (kompletna prica).

Verovatno me razumes sto sam ogorcen ovim pojacanjem. Ne radi se o samo "bivsem igracu Zvezde" vec zagrizenog Deliju koji je do pre par dana aktivno mrzeo Patizan javno na soocijalnim mrezama. I naravno zbog onog stoo je rekao, sto em stavlja na svetlo priikriveni rasizam, em prikazuje da je tipican "alibi igrac" koji nije u stanju da cuti i radi i bori se za prvotimski status i shvati da mozda on nije najboolji, nego napada koristeci sve da bi se opravdao. Umisljena zvezdica koja zeli zlo saigracima da bi se on probio. Stoo je najgore sto mozda on zaista i postigne ove sezone mnogo golova u inat jer je zeljan dokazivanja ali meni makar dao i 5OOO nikad nece biti drag... Nema karakter. Ali to je glavno zlo naseg fudbala gde se domaci hvataju rasizma da eliminisu kokurenciju stranaca, treba da ga bude sramota. On je pokazao da je time pre svega individualista, ne zeli on nikakvo dobro ni Zvezdi za koju navija, nego samo samom sebi... Muka mi je takvih. Mazni, grabi... FkpCascais (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Brate moj, tebi bar ne moram da crtam neke stvari. Ovde se ksenofobija javlja u globalnom obliku posebno nakon raspada bivše SFRJ, ako je verovati pričama starijih generacija. Ja ne mogu da tvrdim ništa pouzdano zato što sam i sam rođen kasnije, što bi se reklo zelen sam, ali ako sagledaš situaciju sa svih aspekata i svi ukazuju na isto, onda tu verovatno ima neke istine. Skoro je gostovao Gutović na "Balkan info" kanalu i generano vrlo jednostavnim rečnikom kazao suštinu stvari. Kvalifikacije poput "marva, stoka, babe, bitange i sl." dobro su poznate i onim ne toliko školovanim i elokventnim individuama, a vrlo slikovito opisuju određene pojave. Ni ja nisam preterano liberalan po pitanju nekih stvari, niti želim da prihvatim kao normalno nešto što mi tako ne izgleda, ali sigurno neću da linčujem bilo koga zbog drugačijeg stava. Jesam za određena ograničenja ukoliko preti opasnost od kolektivne katastrofe, ali nisam siguran ko je danas kompetentan da sudi o tome ko je dobar čovek. Isto tako, moram i tebi da skrenem pažnju da malo prenagljuješ. Deca u današnje vreme brzo odrastaju, ali sporo sazrevaju. Faktor sredine itekako ima uticaja na to u kakvu će ličnost neko da se razvije, pogotovo ukoliko se roditelji ne posvete deci dovoljno. Reči vaspitanje i poštovanje sve više gube na značaju. Pritom ne mislim na ono "slušati starije jer su pametniji", jer je to čista glupost, već na nedostatak kritičkog mišljenja. Ja jesam za to da ti dovedeš stranca koji ima kvalitet, a pod tim podrazumevam i to da ga čak i ne vidiš u prvom planu odmah. Teško da nekoga možeš da promeniš u potpunosti sa 18 godina sa koliko igrači mogu da napuste matičnu zemlju. Ako neko "zna fudbala" što bi se reklo, nije neki problem ni aklimatizacija, nova sredina i ostalo. Ali ono što meni smeta su kombinacije. Recimo ova grupa Azijata koji dolaze u poslednje vreme, a nikakvih informacija o njima nema. Čak je i neki stereotip vezan za njih taj da nisu previše kvalitetni, što ne mora mnogo da znači. Ko njih dovodi i da li je moguće da mi ne umemo da nađemo igrača van Srbije a da nije Crnogorac, Ganijac, Korejac, Kinez ili Nigerijac. Ja tako gledam. Ne možeš da očekuješ da će naši klubovi dovesti nekog ekstra stranca, kad nisu toliko atraktivne destinacije i nemaju toliko platežnih mogućnosti. Sa druge strane "naša deca". Glavno pitanje je čija su to deca. U redu, ja sam uvek za to da se kvalitetnom klincu da prilika. Ali tu se provuče brdo tatinih i maminih sinova i onih sa jakim menadžerom. Skauting ne postoji, a ako i dođe bilo ko makar na probu, odmah se jave ovi pametni da kažu ne valja i hoćemo klince, pa makar oni još uvek pišali u gaće. Nama je Kanga mozak ekipe i ne znam igrača u ligi koji bi mogao da ga zameni. Vidi se i koliko vama Leonardovi igrački kvaliteti nedostaju. Međutim, naši klubovi su uglavnom prinuđeni da rasprodaju igrače jer od toga žive.

Ovde ima mnogo likova koji su u fazonu "ne valja ovo, ja ću bolje", pa prekroje tekst, izbace izvore i onda sve zajedno ne liči ni na šta. Ja prevrnem Nebo i Zemlju da nađem izvore koji potvrđuju ono što napišem, a onda dođu ovi, pa pola zajebu. Ovo što je Ilijev kazao na konferenciji da je počeo da igra u Partizanu može da ima neko simbolično značenje kao "ružna prošlost" kod Stojkovića ranije. Karton igrača se vodi od 12 godine, tako da je raniji period zvanično nebitan. Svaka naredna konferencija ili intevju sa Ožegovićem mogli bi da odu u istom smeru. I zato ću ja da sredim to svom, odosno prema dostupnim izvorima. Nema dokaza da je počeo u Partizanu, bar ja ne pronalazim, a ovako u narednom klubu može da kaže da je počeo da igra u bilo kom drugom klubu. Lik je "Cigan" u duši i to je jasno, ali kao profesionalac bira sebi najbolji put u karijeri. Zato ja i radim strane ovim "manje bitnim igračima" jer kad dođu u potrebne klubove za to, postoji podloga, pa imam puno pravo da vratim sve što neko od ovih koji znaju bolje zasere. Novinari prepisuju jedni od drugih, čini mi se da niko nema ni znanja ni hrabrosti da uradi nešto drugačije. U stvari, jednostavno ih i ne zanima. Tu smo mi, zaluđenici i idioti, koji će sve to logistički da poguraju i sažvaću, da bi oni imali o čemu da pišu. Lotom (talk) 05:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Sve si oobjasnio bas u centar. PS: Da li da ubacimo Ibrahima Tanka jer je debitovao u Nigeriji među seniorima ali u CZ je proosleđen za sada u oomladinski tim. Treba mu naci goodinu rođenja za disambiguation. FkpCascais (talk) 22:52, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Debitovao je danas u prijateljskoj protiv Rada, planirao sam da dodam, nego hoću da radim 3 stvari odjednom pa ne mogu sve da postignem. Jednim okom gledam u knjigu i preslišavam se za ispit, drugim u komp, a mrtav sam. Zakunt'o sam već. Nije mu, čini mi se, još stigao sertifikat i potvrda iz saveza za zvanične utakmice, ali dodaću kasnije i njega i ove nove Radovce. Rođen je '99 gotovo sigurno s obzirom na to da može da pika za omladince, a mora da ima bar 18 godina.Lotom (talk) 23:01, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Šaaaeeebeeeovvvoo§§§

Filip Stojkovic vredi 27O iljadi funti i jos je kao u padu§§§ Lik je ood najboljih bekova u svetu! Ovi na tom sajtu su prsli skroz! FkpCascais (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

TM funkcioniše na sličnom principu kao i wiki. Uz registraciju manje-više može bilo ko da ga uređuje. U poslednje vreme kao da se utrkuju sa nama, pa ubacuju sve živo ne bi li nabacili ekskluzivu. Još samo kad bi se jelo sve što leti... Još gore od svega je što se neko pozove na čuvenu floskulu "specijalizovani sajt". Može da bude koristan, ali nije aksiom. Baš iz tog razloga je najverovatnije i skinut kao nerelevantan. Mislim da nam je ovo jedna od najuspešnijih godina po pitanju sporta u skorijoj istoriji. Lotom (talk) 20:25, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I da, što se tiče Žuleta, lik je definitivno jedan od najkompletnijih bekova koji su se u poslednje vreme viđali na našim livadama. Voleo bih samo da se spreči ovaj odliv igrača u CG reprezentaciju, pogotovo iz razloga što mi nije jasno kakve veze ima Ražanj ima sa Crnom Gorom. Za same igrače i njihove klubove jeste bolje da oni budu pozivani u reprezentaciju, ali nije u redu odreći se igrača poput njega i Ivanića na primer. Ovi iz saveza bi trebalo da stave prst na čelo i dobro razmisle kakve će poteze vući u budućnosti. Vidi se da sportski potencijal ne manjka, ali sve ostalo, počevši od infrastrukture ostavlja veliku dilemu šta stvarno želimo. Lotom (talk) 20:38, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Transferi 3

Novi fudbal je "vani" - http://www.fss.rs/documents/fudbal/2018/fudbal_2_2018.pdf

Objavi li FSS kad se raskine pozajmica sa nekim. Evo npr. svi pišu da je sa Solomonom raskinuta pozajmica. Zanima me objavi li FSS ikada to, ili da stavljamo ovo što mediji napišu.::

Novi fudbal je izasao. http://www.fss.rs/documents/fudbal/2018/fudbal_4_2018.pdf

Years

Hello, it is not "my decision", the template Template:Infobox football biography says that the years in which the player was a member of the team should be used and not years in which he made appearances, see Ross Barkley for example, he made no appearances for everton in 2018. Snowflake91 (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Snowflake91: I know about it, and I also agree on that globally, but we (in Serbian football articles) usually used to write previous year if some player change the club in mid-season. Premier League is the competition without the winter-break and there is possible to make appearances during the transfer period. In Serbian football were a lot of "strange" situations about transfers and official documents have been published since just 2 years ago. The main reason I prefer to separate years is to make a difference for summer and winter transfer windows, especially in stub articles without text, statistic section and links. Lotom (talk) 21:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Lučani

Planiram da uz sastav prvog tima Mladosti ubacim i sastav tima LFK Mladost koji se takmiči u zoni Morava. Suštinski, to im je rezervni sastav. Takođe, razmišljam da li je uopšte pametno dodavati ih u transfere, jer ne vidim poentu toga, kad za pola njih ne znamo mnogo toga. Pre sam za to da otpočnem pregled sezone za klub, jer su se takmičili i u Evropi i sve to. Uz klub stoji i opština, ali klub LFK Mladost pritiska savez, jer nemaju mlađe kategorije. Inače, postoje neke indicije da se zonsko takmičenje u zapadnom delu razbija na 4 dela od naredne sezone. Ne znam kakvo je vaše mišljenje u vezi sa ovim @FkpCascais:, @Bora83ns:, @Gazda1970:, @..::11soccero11::..:? Lotom (talk) 12:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Ja se potpuno slazem. Jasno je da je vrsta B tima Mladosti. Ubaci i napravi link za LFK Mladost da linkuje u njihovu sekciju u clanku. FkpCascais (talk) 13:40, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Protiv, ali nek odluči demokratija. U pitanju su različiti timovi, gde je LFK neka vrsta paravana za pranje kešovine, koliko sam razumeo. Bora83ns (talk) 15:29, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Različiti zato što kod nas nema te mogućnosti da jedan klub ima dve ekipe, zato ih savez i pristiska za mlađe kategorije. A što se pranja para tiče, ovde ti za to čak paravan nije ni potreban, ono što se kaže javna tajna. Ali klubovi su svakako povezani. Ako pogledaš grbove, videćeš da su gotovo identični, uz male kozmetičke korekcije. U svakom slučaju, LFK je oformljen pre 2-3 godine, kao zamisao da postane filijala u Srpskoj ligi. Ponavljam, na glavnoj strani to ne moramo da vodimo, ali taj pregled sezone možda uradim i tu dodam ovo. Lotom (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2018 (UTC)