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Archbishop Carroll High School (Washington, DC)

Hello John from Idegon, I somewhat understand why you changed my edits on the article “Archbishop Carroll High School (Washington, DC),” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_Carroll_High_School_(Washington,_D.C.) , I added this extra information to the Wikipedia Page because the other schools (Georgetown Prep, Gonzaga College High School, the Heights School, etc.) have this type of information on their respective Wikipedia Encyclopedia pages. I believe that everyone should have a fair chance of having their information out there (...etc...).

P.S.: I’m not sure if I’m using the talk page properly, I’m a beginner. [

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Accusing me of defamatory content

Hi John,

I'm incredibly perplexed as to why you'd accuse me of posting "controversial" content. It's a well known fact in the Brighton and Metro Detroit community that Eminem came to Brighton for rehab. Here are a couple links from an article from the Detroit Free Press and the New York Times talking about his stint in Brighton. I should've added it as a citation when I made the initial edit. https://www.theeminemblog.com/2005/09/13/road-to-rehab-detroit-free-press-article/ https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/magazine/20fob-q4-t.html Additionally, he publicly talks about his drug addiction and road to recovery in his music albums so it's not even a secret or any form of defamation. I can re-word or even omit that he was in Brighton specifically for the reason of rehab, but I feel as that ads context as to why Brighton is mentioned in his song.

Secondly, I'm also confused as to what your criteria is for something that is "trivial". I could argue that everything listed under the popular culture section is trivial. It mentions a tv show that ran for 1 season and a movie that came out 30 years ago. Eminem is at least currently in modern pop culture.

I hope this clears things up as to why I decided to include it in the popular culture section. I didn't realize it before, but I see that in the previous edits somebody did put Eminem under popular culture without a source and it got removed. I apologize if you think I'm the same person or think I'm attempting to vandalize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beastmode1234 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

You said someone is a drug addict in Wikipedia's voice, without providing a source. If you need it explained to you why you cannot do that, I cannot help you. Blogs are never a reliable source for anything here. And your edit still does not add to the readers' knowledge of the community in any way, so I have removed it again. Do not replace it without first starting a discussion on the article's talk page and gaining consensus for your addition per WP:BRD. See WP:IPC for hints on what makes for good additions in that section. Thanks. Oh, and sign your talk page posts please. John from Idegon (talk) 23:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Helen Salas

In future you can request speedy deletion of such articles under G4. Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. Saves doing a deletion discussion ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  00:44, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Really? Thanks for the hint CJinoz, but before you undertake to lecture an experienced editor on the ins and outs of deletion processes, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with what G4 actually says. I'm not an administrator, I have no way to know if it qualified or not, unless for some reason I'd had occasion to read the old article. (And the odds of me wasting my time on anything so useless as beauty pageants is less than zero). And of course the question remains, if it is a G4 article, why didn't you tag it as such? John from Idegon (talk) 02:58, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Wow, your reply doesn't even warrant a response from me it's so rude. May I suggest pointing an experienced editor towards AGF? ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  03:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

But yet, you responded...and still didn't get off your lazy ass and do what you arrogantly told me I should have done. I do not have time for the likes of you. If you ever feel compelled to post on my talk page again, CJinoz, kindly just go take a long walk on a short pier. It will be a so much more productive use of both our time. Bye-bye. John from Idegon (talk) 05:31, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, just before I go take a long walk on a short pier, let's back up a bit. I'm sorry I upset you but I'm completely taken aback at your way overblown response to this. I quite honestly was just trying to be helpful, I had no idea you were an experienced editor, I was just surprised the AFD didn't make any mention of the article previously been deleted at AFD. I'm no AFD/deletion rationale expert but I assumed that once it had been deleted by AFD and recreated in (I assume, from my memory of the article) in much the same terms, it could easy be blitzed again. Also, whilst I now appreciate you have many more edits than I do, I actually started editing here six years before you. I'm no newbie either. I'm just a little flabbergasted at the speed at which you've taken my head off. Just heading over to walk the plank now, have a great day. ...   CJ [a Kiwi] in  Oz  11:04, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

• Hi John, I have to admit that your conduct here has left much to be desired. While I recognize that "templating the regulars" is frowned upon and generally disliked by most, this was hardly an instance of that (and even if it was, the rest still applies). CJinoz merely tried to render some friendly assistance and your response was essentially to call them a "lazy ass", arrogant, and tell them to take a "long walk off a short pier" rather than ever interact with you again. Given the context, that response was quite unacceptable and in direct/total violation of WP:CIVIL. I would strongly caution against making such statements and believe some sort of apology is in order here. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 15:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Aw, isn't that special. I'll apologize to him just as soon as he apologizes to me for wasting my time over a ludicrously poor article that's existence already wasted enough of my time. And when you apologize for wasting more of it. I've never interacted with this dude (or you) before, and I see no need to interact any further. The fact that his supposed friendly advice was incorrect is apparently irrelevant to you. He stated he had no idea what level of experience I had....so now what if I were a noob? The notion that civility trumps accuracy is ludicrous. And not at all supported by community consensus. So I'll tell you what I'd tell anyone else...got a problem with my behavior? ANI is that way =====>

Great use of your newly granted mop, BTW. John from Idegon (talk) 16:09, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

ELNO

What part of ELNO do you think applies here. IMDb is the de facto film reference on the internet and by my reading satisfies EL policy. AFAIK the majority of actors & director biographies on wikipedia have an EL to IMDb. So, I think you were wrong to remove the link. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:26, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

How about the part that says you do not link to websites that have been used as references, Tagishsimon? I guess I could have removed the reference, but since it was the only reference on the article, that didn't seem right. I've already wasted way too much time on this article that is certainly headed to the trash pile, so y'all have a great day and TTYL. John from Idegon (talk) 16:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Pinocchio's Pizza

I've responded to your speedy deletion tag in the talk section of Pinocchio's Pizza here: Talk:Pinocchio's Pizza

As I've said there, I don't have any connection to the establishment (other than having eaten there a few years ago), but it does seem as or more notable as other restaurants with their own pages, as I call out: it's referenced often in articles and television, it's been consistently mentioned in newspapers for about 50 years, and it's perhaps the most notable establishment in Harvard Square, which is a landmark itself. But happy to talk if you think otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlCarlsonIV (talk • contribs) 00:52, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Impact Investing Firms page

Still pretty new to Wikipedia, but I was hoping to create this list as a resource for people who might be interested in impact investing (investing their money for social good), there are a lot of firms out there and I thought it would be useful to have a list. I wanted to connect it to the existing "Impact Investing" page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_investing Would this mean it will no longer violate guidelines because it is tied to a page that is notable?

I was inspired to make the list based on this list of Development Aid Agencies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_agencies Can you explain why this list of development aid agencies meets Wikipedia's criteria but the impact investing list does not? Thank you! Jiajiayi (talk) 15:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles are judged on their own merit. The existence of another article has no bearing on the article I proded. However, the other article is made up of mostly subjects that already have articles, making it not a random listing and not in violation of WP:NOTDIR. It does need cleaning up. Further, it is a listing of government agencies, whereas your list is a listing of for-profit companies, bringing promotional issues into play. If you need further assistance, please ask at the TEAHOUSE, and in the future, submit new articles via AFC. Good luck! John from Idegon (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

High Mowing

You did realize that both entries were already listed before my edit, and your undoing simply put them back in their prior order? Why didn't you just remove them? --Ken Gallager (talk) 22:29, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

No, I didn't, and I do not know why.....trout away. John from Idegon (talk) 22:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Taylor Allderdice High School

Hi. You reverted by edit of Alan Perlis being a Turing Award winner. If your criteria is applied consistently then the entries on Stephen J. Lippard, Francis Arnold, Curtis Martin, etc. should also exclude the honors achieved. -- Roger Hui (talk) 23:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to remove the other things you mentioned. I was only patrolling your change, which does not fit the guideline for contents in a notable alumni section. The presence of other bad content certainly does not justify the inclusion of more. John from Idegon (talk) 23:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

I beg to differ that they are bad content. The opening paragraph of guideline for contents in a notable alumni section says:

All alumni information must be referenced. See Wikipedia:Footnoting for technical help. Individual alumni need a citation to a) verify that they did indeed attend the school, and b) verify the statement of their notability in their short one- or two-line description. When alumni have their own articles in mainspace, it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced, as long as it is done in the biographical articles. Be sure to check the existing biography article to ensure that it demonstrates alumni status with a cited reference.

The key phrase is "it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced", but it does not forbid it either. For Francis Arnold, her being a Nobel laureate is surely of interest; likewise for Alan Perlis as a Turing Award laureate (the Turing Award is generally recognized as the "Nobel Prize of computing"). Similar for the others. (e.g. There's a difference between an NFL player and a NFL player in the Hall of Fame.) -- Roger Hui (talk) 23:57, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read the last paragraph too, as that is the part that is actually about what to write in the school article, not the qualifications for inclusion. It says the description should be very brief. I agree, there is a difference between being an author and being an award winning author; there is a difference between a hall of fame football player and a football player. But that difference is to the individual, not the school. And it is easily available by following the wikilinks. Knowing that one individual that attended the school won an award does not increase the knowledge of the reader about the school one bit. The article is about the institution, not about peoope. John from Idegon (talk) 00:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

And what is the most important part of this kind of institution, if not the people? I think the article is the poorer for not having this kind of brief detail, details that makes a person want to read further. Judging from the number of similar reverts you have made on this very point, I gather you care much more about the School than me. (In this case, I care much more about Alan Perlis than about the School.) I tired of this discussion and I won't participate any further. -- Roger Hui (talk) 01:13, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Westland dead birds

westland i live in but garden city has the most dead birds lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.76.194.107 (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Great Falls High School

Hi there. WP:ALUMNI suggests that alumni with Wikipedia articles, or alumni who are presumed notable, should be included. I don't think winning the 1970 Montana Coaches Association Wrestling Coach of the Year crosses the threshold. If you could have a peek at Great Falls High School I'd appreciate it. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Bullock Creek High School

Hi John from Idegon,

You recently reverted my changes from the Bullock Creek High School page, the change I made to this page was a minor one at the most by adding the High Schools rival to the info box. This change was made due to the fact that nearby schools in the area, Herbert Henry High School and Midland High School, have similar information in their info boxes as well. Please take into consideration for my changes. 16:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you,

AmazijngT123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmazijngT123 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, AmazijngT123. First, whenever you post on a talk page, you need to end your message by typing four tildes. This adds your signature, a link to your talk page and a time stamp. I removed your addition because you failed to provide a source, and rivals in school articles are frequently added from personal knowledge, which is not at all what Wikipedia is for. Every fact here has to come from an already published reliable source. It shouldn't be hard to find a newspaper article that states something along the lines of "x school and y school renewed their long-standing rivalry Friday...". Just cite that. Secondarily, the audience for a Wikipedia article is not the local community, but the world. There are dozens of Meridian High Schools in the US alone. When you have a source so you can readd it, please WIKILINK the school name. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 18:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Famous Birthdays

John, The reason I removed that comment from Washington High School (Cedar Rapids, Iowa) is that because that URL is in the comment, when you click on "uses" at WP:FAMOUS BIRTHDAYS, that page shows up. Perhaps we can fix this another way? I realize my edit summary wasn't useful to you. Toddst1 (talk) 20:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Is there such a thing as a nolink template? If not, adding a space on either side of the dot should do it, but of course some well meaning soul might fix that. John from Idegon (talk) 20:43, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Issues

Hi John, I have a question about the edit you made on reverting my merging template on Franklin Academy (North Carolina). Could you elaborate and define "Inappropriate" and "Incomplete"? Also on the other and personal note, note to accuse you but do you have anything against me? I feel that historically, your comments in general towards me are cold, mean and sometimes offensive. And by the way, you never answered my question question I asked you a month ago. – Yanjipy (talk) 00:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

St. Joseph's Prep follow up

Hey John, sorry about posting on your archived page originally. I've deleted a few sections that were blatantly promotional (about fundraising efforts and about their summer program) from the St. Joseph's Preparatory School page. My question is about the page's Academics section. Is there any part of that is notable to keep? I usually don't edit school pages except for occasionally adding notable alumni so I'm not entirely sure what is and is not notable unless its blatantly promotional. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Westland, Michigan

Thanks for the message & your revert. Cat Creek, Montana does say that it has mountain lions so it didn't seem that unreasonable, but checking the geography I see that is unlikely.— Rod ^talk 21:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Zombies should ring alarm bells. It's an ongoing problem with settlement articles in the Detroit area. John from Idegon (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks I will watch for Zombies but I am not familiar with local trends in Detroit and with the tolls I use for disambiguation only shows a very small portion of the article with the issue.— Rod ^talk 07:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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Incorrect School Logo

John, The logo you have for Baldwin Community Schools, Baldwin Senior High School is invalid. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Senior_High_School_(Michigan)) The current logo is at the top of our webpage - http://www.baldwin.k12.mi.us/employment.aspx

I'm currently looking into the copyright and will update it when I can. It states it cannot be updated here on wikipedia. Can you assist with that issue please? Thank you! Stanulisd (talk) 14:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Komoju

Hello John from Idegon. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Komoju, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Being part of a notable entity indicates importance/significance (WP:CCSI#CORP, WP:CCSI#ORG). Thank you. SoWhy 08:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Baldwin Senior High School

Hello John from Idegon! Thank you for the welcome and thank you for the thank you for the edit. I am a beginner so thank you again for the guidance on "how to" do things correctly on Wikipedia. Sorry, I did edit the page "Baldwin Senior High School". I didn't realize I was not suppose to. So what exactly does this mean,"Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions". In the help you pointed out my error and I found this direction, " Instead, make suggestions on article talk pages and let others decide whether to implement them. (You may find it useful to add {{Request edit}} to your note on the talk page to help it draw timely attention.)" Like I said, I'm a beginner and still learning the rules and it looks like there are very many to learn! As far as a Conflict of Interest" I disagree. While, yes, I do work for Baldwin Community Schools, I do not see how that association is a conflict. The correction I made was to update the superintendent's name as Stiles Simmons no longer works for the District. I see you promptly took the correct information down and reinserted the incorrect information again. As an employee of the school I know my information is correct and not biased in any way. I will declare my close association as instructed but do not see any conflict. Having said that I formally request you update the name to our current Superintendent Richard Heitmeyer. I truly hope you decide to implement this. Also, on the page Baldwin Senior High School, the school Logo (Panther) is also incorrect. I ask you correct that as well. Again I hope you decide to implement this as well. Thank you again John from Idegon, for making my first edits such an enlightening experience! And I'm off and running :) Stanulisd (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Ann Arbor schools list article

Hello again! I apologize to be getting back to you so late on this; the amount of homework I've been getting as of late has kept me very busy, and on top of it being marching band season, it's gotten harder for me to do anything but make small edits here and there. However, I feel like now my life is starting to stabilize a bit, and I can finally get working on that article you pinged me on a while back, about the list article for the schools in Ann Arbor. However, I do have some questions about it though; first off, what is a list article? I assume it would just be an article on a list of things, but is there more to it than that? Also, how would I go about making this article? I've searched, and I haven't seen any list articles for schools in other, more populated cities, so how should I go about this? Finchwidget (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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Intro for Bay View, Michigan Page

Hello,

I was seeking some clarification on what can be done, or what is expected, in intro sections. On the Bay View, Michigan page, there is census information in the first paragraph that I tried to remove as Bay View is not an area that is inhabited year round. Is that portion of the page expected to have that information in all articles where it may apply, or was there another reason you reverted the article to include that again? Being a resort community, I didn't think that should apply so I tried to remove.

Thanks aakk Aakk0624 (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Alewisbowen#Conflict of interest editing

Hi John. Was wondering you might be able to offer Alewisbowen any specific advice on Draft:St. Peter School. He posted asking for help at the Teahouse, and I thought you might be able to guide him through the school article creation process a bit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:07, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Marchjuly, there's nothing to help him with. There's no article there. It's an elementary school. John from Idegon (talk) 15:27, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look John. Although I kinda knew elementary schools were treated a bit differently from secondary schools, I wasn't sure if this one might be notable per GNG. Also, I think he is probably a she (based on her user page) for future reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@ Marchjuly and @ John from IdegonThank you for your advice about the Draft:St. Peter School page that I am trying to publish. Per your comment regarding schools that don't issue diplomas typically not having Article pages I was wondering about the existence of other similar Catholic elementary schools in Mass. on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Catholic_elementary_schools_in_Massachusetts Also just to clarify the school is actually a K-8 school so is both elementary and a middle school. 8th Grade graduates do receive an 8th grade diploma. Thank you very much, --ALB (talk) 16:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Alewisbowen: Wikipedia has almost six million articles, with more being added each day. Within the lot, there are some which shouldn't have been added in the first place, sometimes added many years ago, which file under the radar unnoticed until somebody stumbles upon them like and points them out like you did here. That's why the Wikipedia community has created guidance pages like WP:OSE or WP:LONGTIME. Whether a subject is considered Wikipedia notable enough for a stand-alone article to be written about it depends upon whether an article is notable in it's own right, not whether it's associated to something/someone who's Wikipedia notable or whether there are other similar subjects which have Wikipedia articles about them. These other articles may exist simply because somebody decided to create them, not because they should've been created. In the category page you linked to above, two of the entries (the entries in italics) are WP:REDIRECTs to other articles about the towns where the schools are located; articles which are not sufficiently notable for a stand-alone article are often redirected as an alternative to deletion. (This by the way is what is often down with elementary schools per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES.) Of the remaining four entries in the category, two have been prodded for deletion because they don't seem to being close to be Wikipedia notable enough for a stand-alone article: they aren't supported by any citations to reliable sources and there's nothing about them which indicates they are Wikipedia notable. Of the other two articles, one is about an incident (not really a school) which might be Wikipedia notable per WP:NEVENT and the other is about a school which again looks at least on the surface of making a credible claim of notability supported by citations to various independent third-party reliable sources. It may turn out that these two articles also should be deleted, but this is something which might need to be determined by community consensus through WP:AFD.

I got a diploma when I graduated grammar school, and I know that many schools issue such diplomas; however, I don't think it's the fact that one is issued which matters as much as it's the value such a diploma may be seen to have out in the world, and least when it comes to whether determining whether a school is Wikipedia notable. John is likely much more familiar with the Wikipedia specifics of this thing and most things in Wikipedia policies and guidelines are there because there was some significant previous discussion among the Wikipedia community about them needing to be there. Many of these discussions took place years back and are buried in archive pages. John has been an active member of WikiProject Schools for quite a long time, so perhaps he can clarify this for you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Roscommon, Michigan

I removed the unnecessary information about the ZIP codes from the intro paragraph, because it was long winded and completely useless to the actual topic of Roscommon. The article is about the village, not about how many different places are covered by the ZIP code. You decided to revert it, but I guess you'd be fine with an article's intro looking like crap, complete with a roadside picture through a dirty windshield. There's no other article in existence that mentions local business of McDonald's, Subway, and "two-dollar stores" as businesses in the intro. If you want to fix it yourself, go ahead, but don't revert constructive edits. Notorious4life (talk) 19:44, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Westmount Charter Edits

With your philosophy John, how do you justify the partial dislodging of the roof in 2013? However, I will redo my edits with sources necessary. CarterM2607 (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I reverted your unsourced changes. I didn't break the school's roof. If you don't want your edits reverted, provide reliable secondary sources with your changes. And you know nothing of my philosophy. WP:V is not my personal philosophy; it's a pillar policy of this website. John from Idegon (talk) 01:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Rockville, Maryland

Please stop deleting my high quality edits. They have the appropriate sources. If you want to make individual edits then fine, but stop wholesale reverting all the edits I have made. SeanSmith81 (talk) 13:40, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Your not an administrator - you do not have authority to revert all of my edits. SeanSmith81 (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@SeanSmith81: I noticed your message on John from Idegon's talk page and hope you don't mind if I add a comment. I looked at your edits to the Rockville article, and noticed you added a decorative table to notable people section, which is rarely done, as it makes editing that section more complicated. Much of the education and transportation (travel guide) section is unsourced, and should have been fixed rather than just moved. You moved several photos, then resized them to 180px and left-justified them (see MOS:IMAGES regarding image size and location), which sandwiched all the text between the images and the infobox. You also re-ordered the sections different from the suggested order at WP:USCITIES. As well, you added detailed image captions, but failed to source the text. Also, there are two identical images of the Beall-Dawson House. You also added historic census data, but the link to support the edit, https://www.census.gov/prod/www/decennial.html, wasn't really much help. You also added a bunch of unsourced notable people, such as George Starke, who say nothing on their article about ever living in Rockville. The weather table looked fine. This is what happens when you make 20 edits in a row. Some of the edits are good, but many are in no way an improvement. Most editors haven't the time to pick the good from the not-so-good, and just delete the lot in the hope that the edit who added them will try again. Just my 2 cents. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:33, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Magnolia. Please join the conversation at the article talk page. People come to Wikipeda with all sorts of misconceptions on how it works. It isn't a problem until they insist their misconceptions are correct. Your point about making many changes all at once is spot on. It just complicates things. John from Idegon (talk) 16:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hi John. I respect your work greatly, but your recent comment here was uncivil, needlessly aggravating, and unbecoming of an editor here. Please don't repeat similar language again. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a bit over the top. I detest busy bodies in real life, and the same goes here. The editor that templated me had no involvement with the article in question other than the drive by warning he left me. That particular template is galling anyway unless the editor getting it is a noob, cause I sure can count to three and so can you. I'll watch my tounge, but please understand the circumstances. I trust that's why I'm typing this and not an unblock request, for which I thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Palos Verdes High School post

John:

I noticed that you removed my edit. I will review the necessary requirements re: properly editing on Wikipedia. Any help that you could provide would be appreciated. My edit is not soapboxing, promotion or advertising. It is very relevant to "notable alumni" and their achievements. I founded The Last Mile, which is the most prominent and successful prison education program in the world. We are turning inmates into software engineers, and reducing recidivism. The Last Mile has been recognized by both the Obama and the current administrations, as one of the country's most significant prison rehabilitation programs. It seems very curious to me that many of the "notables" are athletes with marginal careers. How many of those people have changed thousands of lives. I would appreciate the respect that the effort and the results deserve. Thank you for acknowledging my edit. Thank you. Credlitz (talk) 01:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

There are many motivations for promotion besides profit. You are clearly promoting yourself, even if your motivation for doing it are alturistic. In order to be in a notable alumni list, either someone has to have written a biography on you, or sources must be provided showing you unequivocally would qualify to have one. It's highly doubtful that could happen. It's more likely your 501(c)3 would be notable than you, and even if it was, that would not make you notable. Wikipeda isn't here to publicize anything. We only include articles on subjects that meet our standard for notability, which is based on how much has already been written elsewhere about a given subject. We're the last stop on the publicity train, not the first. I worked as a fiscal administrator and executive director of a 501(c)3 for many years, and I never stopped publicizing them. I did know, however, that no matter how important or good their works were, they did not meet the notability standard for an organization (WP:ORG) and I didn't meet the standard for a biography (WP:ANYBIO). John from Idegon (talk) 02:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Westmount Charter School

Thank you so much for the tips on editing. I'm a new editor, and I thought I'd try and contribute by editing the page pertaining to a high school I know well. I hope my new citations were sufficient, and I appreciate your patience, as I learn how to become a good editor.

CarterM2607 CarterM2607 (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

A pie for you!

What was perceived as disruptive, or not not neutral, about my edit? Private schools certainly can and do recruit to their advantage. That is not opinion, it is an established fact. I will stop making the edit - I just want to understand. thanks. JohnTopShelf (talk) 17:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Besides failing NPOV, in that you offered an opinion, it also fails WP:V as you failed to provide a source. You've been here 11 years and you haven't caught on to the fact that every single thing in a Wikipeda article must come from a reliable published source? Additionally, it isn't differentiating. The same thing can be said about every non public school in the US. John from Idegon (talk) 18:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)