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Good work on your new articles Hamiltonstone!

You asked several questions. One of your questions was about external links to businesses. I suggest you have a look at WP:EL for the policy about which external links are acceptable. If they do not meet this policy then simply delete them, putting WP:EL as the reason in the summary box.

As for stub articles, I think the answer to how long before a stub is no longer a stub is an art and not a science. If you think that there is no more to say about the subject then simply remove the stub tag and Bob's your uncle. Most things on WP are subjective and that's why we spend so much of our time arguing about thngs. At least WP:civil keeps it all quite pleasant. Another policy you might want to keep in mind when editing other articles (I note that you do yours well) is WP:REF.

Any more questions please ask! Cheers, Gillyweed 12:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sleep

Don't forget to go to bed! Gillyweed 14:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Michael eather

I sorted out my problem - RTFM as they say... hamiltonstone 00:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Michael Riley

You are getting good at writing these! Most impressive. Do you know anything about his death? Gillyweed 05:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• thanks for the feedback. He suffered ill health, but despite repeated references to this and to his premature passing away, plus one tangential comment from a friend in Sights unseen about how they came to know well the Dialysis Unit at a Sydney hospital, i haven't turned anything up regarding Riley's death. Croft writes for example:

Unbeknownst to many, Michael’s health had suffered badly, with extensive periods of hospitalisation and a couple of very close calls. In fact, after one particularly bad turn where he had to be resuscitated, I remember visiting him at night, and seeing him asleep in his darkened room. Disturbed by his thinness, I wrote a note at the Nurses Station and went to leave it with him before departing without disturbing him. However, when I re-entered his room, he was awake and he grabbed my arm, whispering so softly that I had to lean down to hear him: ‘I’ll tell you what I saw on the other side’. Not wanting to tire him and perturbed at what he might tell me, I reassured him that he could tell me during my next visit when he felt better. We never had that conversation as he could not remember my visit, but whenever I look at cloud I feel as if that is the trace of his vision.

Commercial gallery links on artist entry pages

Links to galleries selling the works of particular artists seem to me to be inconsistent with Wikipedia policy on external links. At the very most, it is possible to link to a directory of outlets for Australian Indigenous artists, and in most cases, as a last resort, a link to an Indigenous owned and controlled not-for-profit centre that supports the relevant artist may be feasible. Most artists notable enough to warrant a WP entry will probably have a work or works, and/or biographical info, accessible through a public gallery site. For these reasons, I intend to patrol Australian Indigenous art entries and keep removing such links. I will try to remember to insert a link to this page so people can read about why. I'm also happy to discuss this if wikipedians have different views :-) hamiltonstone 09:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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Your sig

Please see WP:SIG#Internal_links and consider including a link to either your user page or talk page in your signature. I noticed this because no signature link causes an error in the bot that generates the WP:GAC report. Regards, LaraLove 16:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Here is what happens when I type four tildes - it seems not to create a live link and i can't work out why: hamiltonstone 00:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, changed my preferences and trying again: hamiltonstone 00:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for drawing this to my attention Lara. Do you think I should revisit the GA nomin page to redo anything there in some way, or should I just let things take their course? hamiltonstone 00:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Cheryl Craig

It now looks like her husband has popped in to recreate the article. This seems a persistent bunch! Still no notability proven however. I have now proposed speedy deletion! Gillyweed 04:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

ASC

Hi and congrats on ASC becoming a good article. Please do upgrade the WikiProject quality assessment to GA. You're right, there used to be a little symbol on the GAs, but not any more, although it may come back at a later date. For more general info on GAs please see WP:GA. And, BTW, have you seen Renewable energy in Iceland, which is a GA now. Thought it may interest you. regards, Johnfos 03:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure

I appreciate your comments. I do not believe the anonymous user is acting in good faith. I've been tired of it for a long time. I'm trying to work on the article is all. I don't think this user has read much more than some news articles. If the user had a strong understanding of the subject and there was collaboration it would be different but the user's contribution is confined to commentary. I spent two days reformatting the references and the jerk found something bad to say about it. I could understand mentoring. I'm cool with mentoring but passive aggressive harassment doesn't qualify. The assumption of good faith has long since been buried under a pile of BS. But on the lighter side of things I appreciate your comments and I look forward to you joining the page. Mrshaba 01:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there... The solar energy page has been coming along slowly but surely. Unfortunately, issues with an Anonymous editor have continued and I think the page is being held down. I've tried Rfcs and notices on Admin boards but I'm not getting any resolution. I don't understand. I think there's a clear case of disruptive editing going on but I can't seem to find an admin to give the issue a go. Do you have any advice? Mrshaba 10:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I dropped in on the page and its history, and it didn't look too bad to me. There may be some conflict, but that's mostly how these things are. It wouldn't surprise me if admins are tied up with pages that are seeing much heavier interference. Two of my favourites - John Howard, the Australian PM, where every word was an edit war as the elections approached; and Griffith University, infested by people with particular views about either student politics or the quality of teaching... Compared to these, I think solar energy is coming along well thanks to your contributions and others. Debate about stuff seems pretty routine and runs best when everyone plays nice (which, true, isn't always the case!). The solar energy page does seem to get a lot more vandalism than other pages I monitor, but everyone seems pretty on top of it in terms of reversions. I haven't got much to suggest except just keep plugging away, any maybe kick back occasionally and work on something else for a while before coming back to it. Best wishes hamiltonstone (talk) 10:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Kahun Papyrus

Hamilton, thank you for the Wikipedia talk comments on the Kahun Papyrus. The KP reports scribal arithmetic progressions, the highest arithmetic metaphor known to Middle Kingdom scribes. John Legon, an Egyptologist that loves ancient math, wrote a 1992 journal paper on this text. The contents of the Wikipedia article closely follows Legon's 1992 paper, hence no original research has been added by myself, or anyone that I have read.

Concerning you suggestion that I write a Kahun Papyrus Wikipedia article for high schoolers, there is a major barrier to such a task. How can anyone go beyond the modern base 10 decimals metaphor and discuss ancient Egyptian fraction arithmetic outside of modern arithmetical expectations (or modern pedagogies - to use the teaching threads associated with k-12 education)? Egyptian fractions defined a method of writing fractions that lasted for over 3,400 years, ending when modern base 10 decimals replaced it in 1585 AD. The pre-base 10 decimal hisitory is murky, hence few have written on it clearly, listing all its wandering details, one being arithmetic progressions. For example, only in 2002 had the 1202 Liber Abaci been 100% translated into English (by Sigler, a scholar that died before all the appropriate footnotes were inserted). That is, only in the last five years has medieval Egyptian fraction arithmetic been made available to the average reader.

My view is: everyone should report Egyptian fraction texts as written, and let the reader, from whatever age (high schooler to univ. grad) scramble to re-educate himself or herself to the scribal level of arithmetic. If asked to formally prepare a lesson plan on this topic for high schoolers, I would begin with the 1202AD Liber Abaci and show its seven Egyptian fraction methods (listed on pages 124-125 of Sigler's translation), four of which date to Middle Kingdom and the KP. John Legon only reports the KP as a single text, without placing the text in its wider historical continuum. The proposed 'original research' that you spoke of, possibly related to myself, only links the ancient KP text in new ways to other ancient texts, all leading to Fibonacci's methods (learned from Arabs, who learned from Greeks, who learned from Egyptians). Each text, at any time, in any culture, says what it says related to its practical issues. The primary modern problem to fairly read any era's mathematical text is to fairly link that text the appropriate ancient texts that disclose the text's simplest and most complex theoretical aspects.

Best Regards, Milogardner (talk) Milo Gardner 11/26/07.

Hamilton, the Kahun Papyrus article has been amended, hopefully improving its readability along the lines that you have suggested. The deeper issue of the Liber Abaci and 3,400 years of continuous use of Egyptian fractions and their unique form of arithmetic progressions can be delayed to another day. I am trying to keep it simple. Best Regards, Milogardner (talk) Milo 11/26/07

Hamilton, a longer view of Egyptian fractions, as used in the KP, has been written up on Planetmath, another on-line dictionary, per: http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/EgyptianFraction2.html Best Regards, Milogardner (talk) Milo 12/4/07

Thanks Milogardner. Though still quite technical, i think the page has been greatly improved by your editing efforts - good job! hamiltonstone (talk) 03:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Democrats

I see we've had an edit timing clash in which you made some sensible minor changes while I was axing POV slabs. Post hoc, I can't find much disagreement with your edits and hope you don't view my coincidental action as an attack on them. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know - i think i have fixed what minor damage there was...hamiltonstone (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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Bios need work

Hi Hamiltonstone. You said on the John Howard talk page: "The thing my background reading for this highlighted most of all was how we could all do some work on political bios in WP - they've a long way to go.". I was curious what you meant. I thought I'd ask you here, as it is diverging from the subject of New Guinea plantation interests. Thanks, Lester 21:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi and sorry for delay - sometimes I don't log in for a while. I just thought most bios of Oz political figures in particular are brief, sketchy, heavily focussed on recent events. Even Howard bio relies mainly on news articles even though there are several books about him. There's almost no pre-public life background for any but the most well-known figures. See, eg, the bio on Clem Jones, where, even given recent obituaries, there's no mention of parents, pre-mayoral life etc. On the whole I don't think we turn to books or scholarship much when we're editing WP. But still, the stuff that's here is an impressive collection regardless. And its up to us - if i want to see more book references, I know what I need to do :-) cheers hamiltonstone (talk) 12:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that more book references would help the articles. The recent biography John Winston Howard is now in most local libraries, if you're interested in reading it, there's a list on the net that shows which local libraries it is available in. Another way to access books is Google Books, but they don't give the whole book online. Still, you can still find some valuable information that way, and it has the advantage that others can click on the reference and see the book's text. I notice on the talk pages you are good at making interesting points and expressing them very well. On the J.H. article (New Guinea issue), it seems that journalist David Marr got most of his information from a previous article in the PNG Post-Courier newspaper, which makes an interesting read. I've been trying to see if others with opposing views to my own can suggest ways of compromise, however, nothing has come up yet. It may need to go to the Mediation Committee again, which is not a bad thing, as the discussions then take place with a mediator to make sure that it remains on-topic and civil. I think it could be a better way for everyone to express their ideas. Cheers, Lester 19:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

There's also the book "The Howard Factor" edited by Nick Cater and "Australian Prime Ministers" edited by Michelle Grattan if looking at Howard. Orderinchaos 20:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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Request for Mediation

Hi Hamiltonstone, I've listed the John Howard / PNG Copra issue again for mediation. It's voluntary to attend. A mediator will allow everyone to present their views, while keeping a lid on the sort of incivility that occurs on general talk pages. I hope you participate. Please go to Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/John_Howard to indicate whether or not you wish to participate. Thanks, Lester 06:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Tingari

On 20 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tingari, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 09:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for the nomination. I saw Tingari mentioned on the MainPage and was suitably impressed... I even took a screen-cap for posterity! :)

LloydGraham (talk) 22:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

John Cobb (Australian politician)

Happy to help. :-) For B and GA class, the short answer is more. Detail on his time as President of the Farmers Association would be useful as a background to his politics other than party rules. Where did he go to school? Did he go on to further study? Did he get involved in local politics? Some balance would be desirable, although it is difficult as publications do not tend to write stories about politicians quietly doing their job. Some minor POV has crept in with terms such as "rocky" and "popular". These should be cited and if appropriate, attributed. An infobox would be a good addition as well. Hope this has helped. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 09:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Notes (for self as much as anything) - No record located on school. No further education. No local politics that I have found, other than the NSWFA. NSWFA unfortunately don't have a history or past office bearers online. Will see what else I can find. Will try and tweak the POV etc, but his career as minister really did seem to be defined by less-than-stellar events - seldom of his own making, I might add in mitigation. Infobox done. Thanks again. hamiltonstone (talk) 13:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much!

G'day Hamiltonstone, Thank you so much for the barnstar. It made me blush. I hope I can keep up with expectations! Cheers, Gillyweed (talk) 10:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Preselection

Looks much better to me. Thanks for your efforts! Gromlakh (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Anti-nuclear movement in Australia

Glad to hear you've done your first GA review, and very fair review at that! Yes, it would be good if you could see your way clear to adding some more content please. Oh... I don't think the FGAN template came out correctly on the page; are you able to fix it or would you like me to do it? Thank you for reviewing. Johnfos (talk) 11:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for your interest in

Gunnfrídur Jónsdóttir. Your ideas are all good. I was a bit disapointed that you removed the rimster bit. A rimster is a Icelandic term for a poet who is not quite a serious poet. Icelanders take their poetry seriously. In English a limmerick might be the sort of thing he'd produce. I wrote the article because I had a picture of her statue , having picked up an old book (no date, Ca. 1952) about her in Windsor, Ontario. Unfortunately, it is in Icelandic, a language that I have little experience in. Fortunately my father translated much of it for me, at least enough to get the article that is there out. Looking through the book I notice the name of another Icelandic sculptor that I have since done an article about and so am going to assume that he was her teacher for a bit and will probably add him and a link. And so it goes. Life is supposed to be interesting Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Spurred on by your description of the word, I looked it up in our huge 2 volume Shorter Oxford Dictionary. Initially I drew a blank, but then found rhymster or rhymer, with the meaning as you described (the words being of 17-18th century origin). So - I will edit a version of that back in... And, indeed, so it goes. Good to hear from you. hamiltonstone (talk) 22:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice move. Nice link. Oh yes, I am - among things - a rhymster, only now I can spell it. My Dad came up with the word while translating from the Icelandic and I just went with his spelling. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 01:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Preselection DYK

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Aust Barnstar

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		for your efforts with Australian articles Gnangarra 01:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Congrats Hamiltonstone! Well deserved. Gillyweed (talk) 06:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Dummying

Hi Hamiltonstone. I was a bit over-excited and added a Wikilink to your Copra draft. Take a look. It was a bit bold of me to edit in your workspace, so please revert it if you please. Thanks, Lester 23:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. That's fine - I wasn't aware of the piece you'd started on that and, though I've only glanced at it, looks promising. If I'd known I'd have linked it in. But i wasn't going to do a full-blown formatting and referencing of the sandbox piece, partly because it's early in the mediation process etc and partly because I wasn't sure how we might end up pasting it in even if it use of some new text on this was agreed. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

To me, the whole Copra thing is an interesting story. It's an especially big part of Papua New Guinea's history. That's why the PNG Post Courier devoted their whole front page to the Howard family interests when it came to light some years ago. In fact, their article pre-dates the David Marr piece. I believe the high-level government inquiry was deleted from the Lyall Howard article.Lester 23:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for your assessment

Looks like I'm in for a long haul. I'll have to get onto it when I'm finished with Triton's FA assessment. Serendi^podous 12:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Not that long, and you won't be hauling alone! I'm doing a bit on it now. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that [blush]. I'm done now. Serendi^podous 13:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Faye Chism

G'day Hamiltonstone, could you do me a favour and tell me if the external links on the article noted above work for you? I get an error message but the editor claims they work. Thanks Gillyweed (talk) 21:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Just checked, and they all worked for me. Three photos and an image of a witness statement. All looked real enough, though what I know about the Kennedy assassination could be written on a Minite wrapper with room to spare... cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Most peculiar - I can't get access to them. Thanks for confirming it though. I also know nothing about Kennedy's assassination. Cheers Gillyweed (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Hamilton, Enjoyed reading this article and will look forward to any further contributions from you... cheers, Johnfos (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

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