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vandalismEdit

Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism is a good start. youngamerican (wtf?) 15:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I have replied at User talk:JimWaeEdit

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Jones-Imboden RaidEdit

Hi, I was surprised that there was no article on this raid so I created it. I would appreciate it if you would take a look at it. I double checked the information in several sources and I think it is accurate. Thanks, Dubyavee (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Nice job on the article. I took a quick pass through and gave you some formatting assistance. I did not have the energy to search out all of the town names that you included, so you should investigate which of those should be turned into wiki links -- town names are frequently linked in these articles. Hal Jespersen (talk) 00:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Constitutionality of West Virginia StatehoodEdit

I find the article on the history of WV interesting, but it doesn't really explain how the Federal Government was able to admit a state into the Union whose territoy had come from another state without the permission of that said state. The Federal Government did not recognize VA's secession, so carving WV out of VA without VA's approval seems a bit unconstitutional.

Also, do you know if there was ever a movement to reuinte the two Virginias? Thanks 98.221.131.77 (talk) 01:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

    • Hi. A Supreme Court ruling early in the 19th Cent. gave the president of the US the right to recognize any rival governments within a state, and Lincoln recognized the Wheeling government as the legitimate, loyal government of Virginia. Once Wheeling had that recognition they were able to form a government, with a governor and legislature, and that government eventually granted itself, basically, permission to form a new state. Congress had a right to refuse that new state, but once Congress did approve, the last obstacle would have been a presidential veto, but Lincoln was persuaded to sign the statehood bill. The constitutionality of the state has never been directly challenged, the only challenge was to West Virginia's claim to 2 counties, Berkeley and Jefferson, and the Court ruled in favor of WV.

As far as re-uniting, as one US Congressman said, we have the means to create new states, but are we able to recreate them once they have been split? Virginia approached the Wheeling government about reunification in the late 1860's, but Wheeling at that time was even more radical than it had been during the war and wouldn't even consider it. The people at no time were ever given the choice. If you want to read about the constitutionality of WV, here is a digitized version of JG Randall's "Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln", the WV essay is about the last one. http://libsysdigi.library.uiuc.edu/OCA/Books2009-06/constitutionalpr00rand/

  • Thanks, but I have one more question now: Instead of forming a new state, why didn't the Wheeling government just claim to be the legitimate government of all of Virginia? The idea being that after the Civil War, the Wheeling Government would then control the state in its entirety. Or was there a fear that upon Union victory, the Federal Government would readmit Virginia and recognize the Richmond government, effectively ending the Wheeling government's legitimacy? 98.221.131.77 (talk) 02:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

History of VirginiaEdit

Hi there, thanks for the note. I don't usually get involved in the article History of Virginia. It's a mess, and beyond my interest to fix up. Over time, I've made it worse by dumping the various overly detailed paragraphs that get added to the history section at main article on Virginia onto the subarticle, without trying to work them in. But in general, we don't need all that much on the split between the states on that article, and it probably should focus on what it meant to (the state that is now) Virginia. Somethings that I think make some sense in the article include the 1991 border commission, which might go in the Modern history section, and information on why the states didn't rejoin after the war. I also think the division of West Virginian soldiers that was added yesterday is good.

However, I agree that some of the edits from yesterday are not encyclopedia in style, and unnecessarily confrontational. I think the first move in any content dispute is post on the talk page, Talk:History of Virginia, and see if we can get a discussion going. Otherwise, would you want me go in and try to work on any of this? I don't think you should surrender from editing Virginia related articles quite yet.-- Patrick {oѺ} 19:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject West VirginiaEdit

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CSA states GIF mock-up 02/07/2012Edit

Please check behind me on my comments, especially relative to WV. Also, I took a shot at rewriting the VA to WV paragraph under the article Confederate States of America#States beginning "In Virginia, several populous northwestern counties..." Thanks. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

History of VirginiaEdit

I tried a shot at History of Virginia intro rewrite into four paragraphs. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

CSA flag RFCEdit

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Wikimedia Commons imageEdit

Hey Dubyavee, I noticed that you had uploaded an escaped slave broadside from Hampshire County dated 1845. Would you happen to know which of Hampshire County's two newspapers in operation at that time? I'm expanding Virginia Argus and Hampshire Advertiser and believe that this broadside may have originated from this paper, although the South Branch Intelligencer was also printed in Romney at this time. Any assistance you could provide would be of the greatest help! -- Caponer (talk) 14:23, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Dubyavee--much appreciated! Happy New Year, sir! -- Caponer (talk) 01:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Valley View (Romney, West Virginia)Edit

Hey Dubyavee, I recently completed the article for Valley View (Romney, West Virginia), a former plantation north of Romney, hence my interest in the List of plantations in West Virginia. Since you did such an awesome and thorough job in writing the History of slavery in West Virginia article, I was wondering if you could sanity check and review this article and provide any suggestions or edits. It's more architecturally-focused, and less slavery-focused, but I like your writing style. In the meantime, I'm still trying to identify and add former plantations in West Virginia to the aforementioned list, and I will be writing a few paragraphs as a lead in utilizing some of the sources you used for your article. As always, any guidance you could provide would be of the greatest help! Thanks again! Also, you may also be interest in taking a look at another recent article for Wappocomo (Romney, West Virginia). -- Caponer (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

regarding your recent editEdit

a discussion has been started here regarding your edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Mint_Julep.2C_clear_vandalism

If you wish to discuss this you are welcome to reply on my talk page or the ani board, thank you for your contributions.Drinkreader (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Virginia in the American Civil WarEdit

It seems that this may be stale, which I am learning is the kiss of death at WP, three years old is stale, but I made an observation or two at Virginia in the American Civil War#West Virginia following your dialogue with Rjensen. I generally defer to Rjensen, but I wondered if there was something more to be added describing the western Virginians...if not, not. Thanks anyway. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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Wheeling conventionsEdit

Hey. I'm expanding the Virginia Conventions article, and wonder if the Second Wheeling Convention in 1861 should qualify establishing a Restored Government of Virginia. Do you know of any sources for the Convention other than Virgil A. Lewis, How West Virginia Was Made, 1909? TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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Consideration at Virginia in the American Civil WarEdit

At Virginia in the American Civil War, an editor over the past few months has added another photo to the gallery at “Notable Civil War leaders (Confederate)", making the category one more than that for “Notable Civil War leaders (Union)”. In keeping with our agreed perspective that the Civil War was a war of brothers in Virginia just as much as Kentucky or Tennessee, I hoped that you might be able to supply another photo to the Union side of Virginia’s ledger, I guess another easterner would be best, as there is little point in simply replicating "West Virginians in the American Civil War". But my rationale for those I listed from the west had careers in the Virginia Assembly, the Convention of 1850, the Convention of 1861, or the Restored Government of Virginia -- they were not exclusively or primarily West Virginia careers.

I note that western born post-war West Virginia U.S. Senator Alan T. Caperton was one of those serving as a Virginia Confederate Senator, but he is not in the list of West Virginians at the West Virginia in the American Civil War. Well, thanks in advance for any help. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 18:44, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Virginia Convention debatesEdit

Thanks for the previous assist at Virginia in the American Civil War. At Virginia Conventions I am expanding the article from a sort of hagiography for the First Five Conventions of the Revolutionary period, to include representing some of the delegate speeches in debates from each Convention including the later general conventions through 1902 and short summary sections on the 20th Century limited conventions and constitutional commissions.

I have little in my secondary sources for either the Wheeling delegate speeches or for the Restored Convention of 1864 in Alexandria abolishing slavery in Virginia. I see that there is a copy online of Virgil A. Lewis, How West Virginia Was Made, Proceedings of the First Con- vention...And the Journal of the Second Convention...at Wheeling, but is there a collection of notable speeches excerpted in a secondary source, like that found for the Richmond Secession Convention in Freehling's "Showdown in Virginia"? TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 22:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Virginia ConventionsEdit

I've completed a first run through from the sources readily available to me to write up the Virginia Conventions, including the Second Wheeling Convention, First Session which I believe to be most applicable to Virginia history. Any contribution or comment would be welcome. It is classified as a start class article. Thanks in advance. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 07:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Condition of the Unconditional Union Party articleEdit

FYI. Amazingly, there is no mention of Virginia and West Virginia’s Unconditional Union Party membership during the Civil War at the article. It focuses on Missouri, and “other” border states, mainly Maryland. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 05:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

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WV claimsEdit

Hi, my last reply at Talk:West Virginia was meant to go at the bottom but since I am on an Iphone it is difficult for me to move it, if you could move it to the bottom for me it would be ok with me. Thanks. 172.58.185.136 (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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that you can tell me how I can get access to Project MUSE? I have looked over the article and could not find the answer. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Which article do you mean? I applied through Wikipedia for access to Project Muse a few years ago. I don't know if they are still taking requests for access, but if there is something you need to know let me know what it is and I will look it up for you, Dubyavee (talk) 16:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
No, nothing specific right now - though Confederate monuments seem to be on everyone's mind. I just saw the category and thought, "I'd like, and probably use, that." I do have access to JSTOR that I applied for and got years ago and I wander through it now and again. Though come to think of it, have not searched for Confederate statues there. I did dust email Huffington Post critizing a recent Rush to Judgement article about the Lee & Jackson in Baltimore. A letter my Ph.D. in history daughter proofed and suggested that I not send. Well now I am just gossiping. I will look for Project Muse and see what I can find. Carptrash (talk) 17:22, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I find about 50% (not scientifically determined) of the stuff at the list of Confederate monuments to be "extra verbiage." I am going to chip away at it, but until it is decided that the SPLC document was not found by Joseph Smith along with the golden tables of the Book of Mormon I fear there is little hope. Still, I will not be rules by fear. Carptrash (talk) 20:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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2nd West Virginia CavalryEdit

Hello Dubyavee! I agree with you on the issue with the 2nd West Virginia Volunteer Cavalry Regiment. I made an edit and discussed a solution on the talk page. You appear to be familiar with the George Tyler Moore Center for the Study of the Civil War. They were very helpful to me (especially Tom White, now retired) when I was researching my ancestor that fought in the 2nd West Virginia Cavalry. Tom was surprised that my ancestor was in the 2nd instead of the 1st given his German-Wheeling background. Have you thought about upgrading 3rd West Virginia Volunteer Cavalry Regiment? TwoScars (talk) 21:34, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Tbanks, TwoScars. I will take a look at the 3rd. It is something of an organizational mess from what I've read, I have the GTMoore cd-rom Mountaineers in Blue and Gray, I'll see what I can do. Dubyavee (talk) 05:01, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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List of West Virginia Civil War Union unitsEdit

Hello MarkMcCain and DubyaVee. I've looked over the editing battle in List of West Virginia Civil War Union units. Mark, I urge you to get the book called West Virginia and the Civil War: Mountaineers Are Always Free by Mark A. Snell. I purchased the e-book version through Amazon. It can be read on a Kindle or iPad (I use both). Snell has connections with the George Tyler Moore Center for the Study of the Civil War at Shepherd University. They have all kinds of records and can be counted on as one of the best sources for studying the Civil War in West Virginia. Like you, I have relied on Lang's Loyal West Virginia book when sources are difficult to find. However, Lang definitely has a lot of "puffery" in his book (and some mistakes), and it is best to find additional sources when possible. I believe Snell is a source that can be trusted, and he takes the time to explain the difference between the 32,000 Union soldiers used by some sources and his 20,000 to 22,000.

Mark and DubyaVee, West Virginia needs more people like you. Instead of "butting heads", why not separately enhance the Wikipedia West Virginia Civil War articles. Here are some of the articles that I believe need to be enhanced: Battle of Droop Mountain, Battle of Charleston (1862), Albert G. Jenkins, 3rd West Virginia Volunteer Cavalry Regiment, Benjamin Franklin Kelley, 1st West Virginia Volunteer Infantry Regiment (3 Year), and Blazer's Scouts. Remember, the best etiquette is to focus on your own article. If you begin work on one of these (or one that I did not list), make sure you both are not working on the same article. Shepherdstown Historic District could use some improvements too. Thanks TwoScars (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

DisputesEdit

DubyaVee - Regarding WV articles, including List of West Virginia Civil War Union units and West Virginia in the American Civil War, I don't think there is much that I can do beyond what I have already done. Perhaps Wikipedia:Dispute resolution is where you need to go. TwoScars (talk) 16:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

He definitely acts before thinking things through completely. I had to fix some damage he did to 1st West Virginia Volunteer Cavalry Regiment on June 13. It is a shame his enthusiasm is not used for more productive/creative endeavors instead of messing with things that have already been researched. TwoScars (talk) 20:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, TwoScars, it could be just a lack of sources other than the internet. I will redo the "Soldiery" section on West Virginia in the American Civil War in a few days and try to lay it out logically so there is no misunderstanding. Thanks for your input. Dubyavee (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

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MarkMcCainEdit

Yes, I too have grown tired of MarkMcCain's edits that do not have good citations. I've tried to stay positive and get him to use his enthusiasm in a good way, but he seems to only make edits that are not correct or that do not have a citation that meets Wikipedia Good Article criteria. I may stop working with West Virginia Wikipedia articles. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to Peacemaker67) is the Lead Coordinator for Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history. He does not have any "authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers", but may have good suggestions on how to handle this. TwoScars (talk) 19:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

The best place to deal with editor conduct issues is WP:ANI where uninvolved admins can help sort things out. I suggest you provide half-a-dozen diffs showing the problematic conduct and explain what you have already done to try to ameliorate the issues (attempts to discuss on talk pages etc). Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:07, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
You might want to see if you agree with what he has done to the lead in 1st West Virginia Volunteer Cavalry Regiment. I think it is great if they are the regiment with the most MOH recipients, but the only evidence I have ever seen is GTM Center saying most of any West Virginia regiment. His footnotes do nothing to prove that they received the most of any regiment (and they are in the lead). Also he is counting a 15th person who was in the 1st WVA Cavalry but received the MOH when fighting with the 1st West Virginia Infantry. As usual, this stuff is good if true, but the proof is not there. TwoScars (talk) 17:24, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
1st West Virginia is one of the "half-a-dozen diffs". I still think it is a shame his enthusiasm can not be used in a good way. Perhaps if Peacemaker67 would ask him to fix up 1st West Virginia Volunteer Infantry Regiment (3 Year) to Good Article status—and MarkMcCain would be willing to try—he would learn proper citations and conform to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Military history. If you agree that this is a good idea, one of us should ask Peacemaker67 to ask him. TwoScars (talk) 20:15, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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Ignore the first comment that there is not enough content for a separate article, but follow the second comment to discuss at Talk:History of West Virginia about whether to split. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

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(1) Wikipedia has previously allowed stand-alone articles related to US state government by the Confederacy among "seceded" states and those claimed to have "seceded" by the Confederacy, described in reliable sources of the period as represented by eleven stars both in the official flag and in the battle flag of the Confederate States of America.
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(ii) a C-class article for the pro-Union Restored Government of Virginia of 16,945 bytes.
(iii) a Featured article for Confederate government of Kentucky of 32,913 bytes.
(3) Therefore, the proposed stand-alone article for West Virginia's Confederate governance of 60,892 bytes should NOT be rejected out-of-hand for "not enough content for a separate article".
(Aside for contextual reference in a sample article: Mr. McClenon's C-class article Treaty on Open Skies of 25,754 bytes has not been challenged for removal to my knowledge for the "not enough content" objection.)
(4) RECOMMEND:
(i) Prior to RFCs or any other procedural efforts to salvage the proposed article, RETITLE the proposed article to the following: "Confederate government [of] West Virginia", so as to CONFORM to Wikipedia naming conventions currently in use for history articles on THREE of the FOUR border states in the US as of 1863 represented by both US and CS Congressional Districts.
(ii) On publication of "Confederate government of West Virginia", in all four related articles, place the links to the other three in the series in the "See also" section of each article.
(5) CONCLUSION: Complete the four-part article series related to US states with both US and CS Congressional representation during the American Civil War on Wikipedia by publishing the proposed fourth article, "Confederate government of West Virginia". TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 14:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC)