User talk:BX/Archive 1

Archive 1

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lupus template

Hello, thanks for your tagging of the lupus subspecies. There exists a lupus template. I do not know if you created the template, but trying to "edit" or "talk" on it takes me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Arctos William Harris • (talk) • 07:44, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

That was a copy/paste oversight. All fixed now. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 08:14, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Nice job on its creation. I think O's WP:MOVE was correct; teamwork moves us forward. William Harris • (talk) • 09:44, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed on the creation. Good call, and looks good. Did think the name was insufficiently descriptive, but that was as easy fix.

Looking at it does bring to mind that I agree with recent scholarship that there was far too much enthusiasm for splitting North American wolves into subspecies based on minor morphological differences. (Not that morphology really tells us anything about taxonomy!) oknazevad (talk) 23:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I just split it up for ease of navigation and that was how it was split on the supspecies page. It's in your hands now to do what is best. BTW, under an old account I created all of those mammal templates. Did some as an IP too. Long time ago. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 04:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Most impressive. We bring what skills we can provide to this project. William Harris • (talk) • 10:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Alexander Cartwright

I noticed you are reverting lots of my edits to articles with links to Alexander Cartwright. I did this when the page was made into a disambiguation page but as Alexander Cartwright (baseball player) redirects to the same article Alexander Cartwright the reader will get the same experience whether the edits are reverted or not.— Rod ^talk 18:20, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I was going to request a speedy of the redirect but can't until nothing links to it. Add'l, if there is to be a dab page, the orig. page should be (baseball), not {baseball player). Not your fault anyway. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

New Orleans Eagles listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect New Orleans Eagles. Since you had some involvement with the New Orleans Eagles redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

• Yeah, it's all sourced up now. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 21:26, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

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Can you do the same in this page too?

Hello, could you please do the same in this page too? Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring I mean blocking the accusation as no further action should be done since that user is a confirmed sockpuppet, the same what you did in the page Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Thanks! --TechnicianGB (talk) 06:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not experienced at that noticeboard, but it's of no harm to let it sit since it resolved itself thru other means. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 06:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey

I am the guy from the ANI thing talking about how IP editors get treated. Melody Concerto now delined one of my edits, gave me the boilerplate thing, mentioned unexplained removal of content(did remove sourced content) but i had started a discussion about it like three weeks ago. They clearly did not even look into it and just made assumptions. Should be in my contribs for the day. Eff this, i will take an extended break again, or permanent one. So that person now made two people leave within a week. Well effing done! *slow clap* Sorry for venting here anyway, you just seemed nice and reasonable. Not expecting anything here, and sorry for the venting, my apology. Have a good one and good bye 2003:D6:2714:3743:51A:FEF2:326F:5C23 (talk) 22:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh man, you had my interest, but when I saw you're editing political articles, my blood curdled. I enjoy not being labeled, so I can't advise you at all on this. I do believe Melody again rode in on their pompous high horse, but I was relieved to see Nick Moyes (an actual admin) stopped by your talk page. They might be of better assistance than I. However, I do think Melody needs more investigation. If it continues, ANI might be the best route. Don't let one editor ruin your experience. Ever. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 02:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

ANI

As mentioned, you are not helping. Can you please stop with the commentary so that admins can attend to the matter? Thanks in advance. El_C 05:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I really thought the OP got what they asked for (a revdel), but I really think the others got shut out before they had a chance to respond. Like I said at ANI (in conflict with the close, I hope it does not get rolled back), I apologized and said I must be missing something. What am I missing? The blocks happened too fast, no? I'm not comfortable with the way this turned out. I've never seen any of the other editors ever, although Psiĥedelisto commented at some of the same threads as I. Just seems like a quick trigger finger. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 05:34, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to bed now, so I'll check back in 9-10 hours. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 05:41, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

No, the blocks, if anything, did not happen fast enough —at least not on my part— thanks largely goes to Drmies for convincing me otherwise, though. El_C 09:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Considering they were unblocked because they didn't realize about the disability pretty much sums up all I needed to know. It was a misunderstanding and you blocked way too fast. Thanks for noting my "insensitivity," too. I think you did that way to fast, too. --Bison X (talk) 15:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Fwiw, I saw absolutely nothing insensitive in your comment. Quite surprised that anyone would interpret it that way. Please don't let this discourage you from contributing to future discussions at ANI. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 17:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I left a detailed timeline and my take of it at User talk:Vanisaac#Break (permalink, just in case). We'll see how it goes. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

[I]t's all smoke and mirrors when it comes to their morality — don't make personal attacks, Bison X. You are not helping, still. El_C 16:03, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

You're not welcome here anymore El C. This is your mess. --Bison X (talk) 16:08, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm an uninvolved admin. You cannot wish me away. And if you personally attack someone else again, you will be sanctioned. El_C 16:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

You fail to see how your quick thoughtless blocks have consequences. You fail to recognize that you did not consider both sides. You fail to acknowledge you may have erred. And personal attacks? You actively support and encourage EEng to insult and label others while at the same time disallowing any criticism of their PAs. If you want to discuss that, then you're welcome here. But I have to work this weekend, so won't respond quickly. --Bison X (talk) 16:15, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with your assessment about the blocks being thoughtless. You are welcome to bring any of my actions up to review. The blocked user can avail themselves with a review of the block via the unblock template, which they have done (unsuccessfully), and may continue to do. But referring to someone's morality as being compromised is way out of line. Sorry you cannot even acknowledge that. El_C 16:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

If you want to have this discussion here, you and me, I will do that, without any tag teaming. But this weekend is busy, so there may be hours and hours between replies. Just you and me, calmly. Deal? Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I've issued my warning about your personal attack. Otherwise, I feel unwelcome here. El_C 16:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I think we're missing a good opportunity and this can turn out well. If you want, you lay the ground rules. The offer stands, please think about it. I have to log off for a few hours. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, Bison-X, but my view is that you have acted insensitively, displaying a lack of empathy — so unless it's in the framework of a review, I'm not that interested in engaging in discourse with you at this time. El_C 16:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Ironically, I see the *exact* same behavior from you. Hence, the disagreement. I'm sorry we couldn't work this out here. --Bison X (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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FYI -- Negro leagues on main page

FWIW, two of the recent season articles were featured on the main page over the past week. Yesterday, this DYK hook drew almost 5,000 hits to the article: "... that the 1932 Detroit Wolves won the pennant with an outfielder, first baseman, shortstop, and two pitchers who were all inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame?" Cbl62 (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

One thing you had mentioned at the template talk page was more exposure for NgL. My wheelhouse has been the teams and leagues, not the players. But I think Bob Feller's page is the only MLB page that really covers the cross-over in the 30s and 40s. Again, players' articles are not my strength. But there is a page on the American Series, but no article on MLB/NgL games. One of my long-term goals is to try to put together a comprehensive article on that [1], and then incorporate that into the MLB team and player pages. But I have a ways to go. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

When you get around to that project (which sounds very interesting), let me know if you need any help with it. Cbl62 (talk) 23:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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Archival

I noticed you just archived an ongoing discussion at ANI. Was this accidental?VR _talk 18:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Accidental isn't the word I would use, but yes, let's go with accidental. No it was failure to scroll down to the end of the thread. Thanks for taking the TP route rather than something else. <shirks away> Rgds. --Bison X (talk) 19:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Got it, and thanks for undoing.VR _talk 19:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Bison X, should you close another case at ANI, please put {{nac}} before or after your signature which will put "(non-admin closure)" on the closure. Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, @Liz: Nice to meet you. Why? Is there a problem? Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 04:51, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

... for being among the sensible. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I saw what went on last week before it was revdel'd and put 2 & 2 together. I don't know any of these people from Adam or Eve, but sometimes people need to be given some slack. Jeez. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 04:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I did not see the rev del’d posts, but I have the big picture. Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

So I kind of get the feeling there is some background I am missing here with the ANI thread. What happened? PackMecEng (talk) 16:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Will Not Be Discussed publicly ... there is a reason for RevDel. And for the absence of doubt, neither will I discuss it privately. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps I was not completely clear here then. Is there a reason either safety, privacy, or the like that I should not reopen the valid request? Because to be honest I do not really apricate being accused that I read a lot of shit books.[2] PackMecEng (talk) 17:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

In the light of a new day, Ceoil has stuck his comments on the original FAR. I am not sure if one should strike comments on an archived ANI, and I am not going to walk myself back into a situation much more complicated than you may be aware to ask him to do that. My experience with Ceoil is that he does the right thing with time without being asked. I suggest that you might consider that we are all human, some things hurt deeply, and you might take the higher road by allowing more time to pass from the raw feelings than to re-drag this through ANI. Please consider the sheer amount of RevDeling done by Friedokra last week as well as last night to think about how deeply hurtful the situation is and consider whether you want to extend that real hurt in real life to real people over some characters on a screen. Time heals all, Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:16, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question but fine. I will let the repeated, unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks slide this time. I hope you are actually doing them a favor and not doing more harm than good. PackMecEng (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

PackMecEng, I retract what I said about u. It wasn't based on real evidence; I was fighting fire with fire. Ceoil (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Thanks, I appreciate it. PackMecEng (talk) 17:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Phew. Thanks also Bison X and [once again] Sandy for shutting down something that was going nowhere good. Ceoil (talk) 18:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

No need ... I know good people when I see ‘em, and life is too short to do anything but be the best we are able to our fellow beings :). Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my recent RFA

I appreciate your support in my recent run for admin. It's amazing to think what a "wild wild west" every content area was twelve years ago. Thanks for your help then and your trust now. I've had an interesting first few weeks and am learning a lot by being able to better watch (through tools) what admins do. Please call on me if you see making an error, or if you just need help. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

2021's world

Howdy, I must've grown too tolerant, in my older age. GoodDay (talk) 20:12, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I think Confucius referred to the wokesters as "goody-goodies". Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Heck help me, if a MoD on user-pages is held & passed banning any mention of being a republican, because it offends monarchists :) GoodDay (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

@GoodDay:I finally figured out you mean MfD. I thought you meant Ministry of Defense, which I had confused with Ministry of Truth. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

"Let’s Go Brandon" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Let’s Go Brandon. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 14#Let’s Go Brandon until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Nate • (chatter) 03:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Let’s Go Brandon! has been added to the above nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 00:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

AN

On AN, you said that there was "relentless deceptive referencing" and I wonder what I overlooked. What I saw was the rather helpless addition of that a book or a person existed, and while not actually helpful, I thing "deceptive" is not the right word. But who am I, English not my first language, and in the whole thread thinking that I really don't understand the language. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

This comment probably should have been left at the AN thread since it corresponds directly to my comment there. Seeing that the thread there was closed [3] as I was responding here, there's really nothing more to add. However, I understand that you appreciate a fellow editor who is skilled at the art of prose, but without checking the references, who can trust that the article is encyclopedic rather than an essay? Verifying the references is more important than writing (or translating) the article. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 11:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

I had said my last word in that thread days ago, which had already been several hundred words more than I usually permit myself in one thread (which is two comments - see my talk). Rarely have I felt so much that I am not capable to express my thoughts in English. And I believed that my thoughts were so simple: Articles are created in collaboration, and every editor is a human being (which I owe to Geometry guy). Today is a sad day for European topics such as Leo Kestenberg, which I still believe are better to have, even if started with limited sourcing (and then improved together), than not to have at all. There will be hundreds of articles that we will not have at all, and I feel sad that I couldn't prevent it. On 16 October a friend was banned, and I miss him every day. 9 years now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)