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Main Talk Userboxes Awards Archives Images Email 2005 -'07 Aug '07 Aug '07 Sept 1-Sept 9 Sept 7-Sept 11 Sept 11-Sept 17 Sept 16-Sept 20 Sept 20-Sept 29 Sept 29-Oct 2 Oct 3-Oct 12 Oct 12-Oct 19 Oct 19-Oct 27 Oct 28-Nov 5 Nov 5-Nov 12 Nov 12-Nov 23 Nov 23-Dec 5 Dec 5-Dec 18 Dec 17-Jan 11 Jan 12-Aug 14 Aug 23-Oct 26 Aug 24-May 16 2009 2009-2013 2013-2019 I'm baaaack! Thanks to the amazing generosity of friends, I'm able to edit once again! YAY~!!~ Now, if I could just remember how to write in wiki code, and what these buttons do.... hrmmm... Okay, so I'm still working on getting set up, but I'm back, and will slowly get back into the swing :) ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 11:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC) YIPPEEE!!!!!!!!!! — Rlevse • Talk • 11:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC) ohai —Миша13 11:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Yay!!!!! Glad to see you back! --Oxymoron83 11:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Welcome back :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Awesome! Welcome back! Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 14:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Welcome back! Yay!(olive (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)) Welcome back, dear Ariel. :) GlassCobra 15:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Yay! :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Double-backflip YAY!!, with a cherry on top!! Dreadstar † 17:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Whoot! Welcome Back!! :) SQLQuery me! 17:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC) This is wonderful news. :) Welcome back. Acalamari 17:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC) <nerd>user.welcomeBack()</nerd> Glad to see you've returned. —Animum (talk) 20:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Shwing! Welcome back, Ariel! --MikeVitale 11:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC) Yay! I'm SOOOO happy to be back, I just can't tell you! Missed you guys so much! ~*Big Ariel Hugs for everyone*~ Ariel♥Gold 14:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Good to see you're back! Mind you, I'm not around much lately... -- Flyguy649 talk 14:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Woo!! Woo!!! Delighted to see you back here, Ariel. Yayy .... :) - Alison ❤ 21:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Yay you're back!!!! AngelOfSadness talk 21:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Yes,this is good news indeed. Bali Talk 12:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC) Your presence was missed. Welcome back. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 09:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC) Wohoo, welcome back! When's that RFA coming, I'd like to welcome it too. :-) Regards, Húsönd 23:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC) A very belated WELCOME BACK, ARIEL! Looks like I left the day you came back :(. Anyhow, very happy to see you 8-) Shir-El too 21:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC) I'm so happy to see you're back! Enigma message 21:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC) Hey, I just noticed you're back! Yippee! Great to see you! delldot ∇. 05:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC) I'm a tad late to the party, because i've been on a long wikibreak myself (got bored/annoyed and all that), but good to see you again Ariel ! I probably won't be as active anymore as I was in the past, but I think I can't stay away either :D --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC) DJ! Great to see you as well, I noticed you were AWOL, lol. Glad you're back! Holler at me any old time, dear! Ariel♥Gold 22:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC) Wecome Back! Ariel, I hope all is well with you. I remember how you helped me learn to edit last year when I really needed someone. Thank you for your kindness, may all your good will come right back at you in even greater measure. NancyHeise talk 23:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC) How wonderful to hear from you, Nancy! You've done some excellent work and I'm so very proud of everything you've done, and appreciative! Thank you for the kind words! Holler at me any time, dear! Ariel♥Gold 22:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC) Revert The revert was made because it was never discussed to merge it. 98.221.85.188 (talk) 02:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Additionally, there are many who supported that they remain separate articles. They are not the same game. See here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(video_game) 98.221.85.188 (talk) 02:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC) List of popes If I could ask for a favor. As someone that took part in the de-listing of the List of popes page as a featured list and someone that is recommended as being real good at page formatting, I would like your opinon of changes I am about to make to the page. I am specifically addressing that a few editors thought a few of the lists could be combined. I figured I could combine the age list and the main list. Can you quickly take a qlance at my User:Marauder40/list of popes page and tell me what you think? I also have two versions of the list, the 15th Century table has spaces in the age field and the rest don't. I'm not sure which looks better and I can't find any relevant comments in the MOS (and I am a pretty new editor, so there may be things that I don't know about.) If you don't have the time I fully understand. Thanks. Marauder40 (talk) 18:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Thank-you for your comments. I made the suggested changes to just the first table. Let me know what you think. As for the wrong death age for JPII that was a mistake on my part. This weekend I was going to make sure I didn't make any typos when transcribing the ages from the one table to the other. Thanks again. Marauder40 (talk) 19:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC) Good job! [1] :-) --cremepuff222 (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC) Thankie dear! It was a lot of work, but worth it, turned out very nice. Ariel♥Gold 05:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC) Citations in ISS Hey Ariel - just a quick request, if I may; I've been doing some work on the ISS article with the massive peer review that Wronkiew did for us, and he flagged up some issues with citations, particularly with regards to picking a certain format - I've done a few bits here and there, but was wondering if you could have a look at them and make sure they're all up to scratch? Cheers in advance, Colds7ream (talk) 14:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC) Yes, there are multiple formats being used. The best thing is to put them all into WP:CIT format, because that's what the majority of them are, and that format gives the most information and consistency. For a featured article or good article, the references should be consistent. The problem is, a good majority of editors are not familiar with the templates, so they just use the format of [http://www.urlgoeshere.com Name of article goes here] and leave it at that, so the references section ends up having multiple formats. Technically, there is no preference, but there should always be author, publisher, date, title, and link, and the WP:CIT gives that and more. I'll work on getting them standardized. Ariel♥Gold 14:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks very much for that - it's appreciated! Colds7ream (talk) 14:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC) Template:Launching I've made the changes you requested, and posted a few notes and caveats on Template talk:Launching. Please can you have a look and see if it is okay. Thanks. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 18:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC) You rock! Ariel♥Gold 18:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC) I've now added the date format option you requested as well. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 22:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC) You doubly rock, GW! :D Thanks so much! Ariel♥Gold 23:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC) For you, it's nothing. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 23:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC) Heylo Good evening Ariel, how are you today? Is it raining on your side of Planet Wiki :D? Hope you are ok DJ MeXsTa (talk) 18:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC) I am well, thank you :) It rained a bit last night, but mostly it is just cloudy and grim. Wish it would snow! :) Ariel♥Gold 20:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC) STS-126 Reference consistency? OK - if you're going to maintain this article in that fashion...fine. I maintain the references in a few articles and this is the first time I've come across an editor that wants to duplicate information in refs. I don't thinks it's a correct or even a good idea. You may have you way though. E_dog95' Hi ' 16:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Your assertion that the author field needs not be added because it was not a "person" is not valid. An author can be a corporation, an organization, or even a government. In the case of space articles, many of the references will be authored by NASA, not an individual. But the publisher is not always the same as the author. For instance, news agencies pick up items authored by NASA, or press releases put out by organization and corporations, and thus, the publisher field is not always the same. But if you remove the author field, it alters the consistency of the references. Please refer to Wikipedia:CITE#Citation_styles, as well as WP:CIT. In the articles I have created, or have started references for, I format them according to the guideline of the template style. If an article already uses a different format, I will use that one, but the shuttle mission articles use the template style, and have for years. Neither style is preferred over the other, but consistency should be kept with whichever style is done. Ariel♥Gold 16:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Duplicating information in references for the reason of "consistency" is a poor idea. References should be presented in a clean (easily readable) fashion. E_dog95' Hi ' 17:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC) From the guideline: "They all include the same information but vary in punctuation and the order of the author's name, publication date, title, and page numbers. Any of these styles is acceptable on Wikipedia so long as articles are internally consistent. You should follow the style already established in an article, if it has one." Ariel♥Gold 17:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC) I would have responded earlier, but was working... Sure, authors don't necessarily have to be individuals. Got it. What my issue is that to add the author information when it is exactly the same as the publisher information just isn't useful. I find the duplicate information unhelpful. It clutters an area of articles that should be made simple and easy to read. No, I'm not saying that the duplicate info makes it complicated, I'm saying that it's unnecessary. By the way, I did not find the statements at Wikipedia:CITE#Citation_styles to back up your claims. I am familiar with Wikipedia referencing; much of the work I do here is improving references. Please do not respond. I just want you to understand that your idea isn't helpful. E_dog95' Hi ' 01:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Perhaps you find it unhelpful to have both author and publisher information, but many FAs and FLs give both, regardless of whether the publisher and the author are the same. Ariel♥Gold 01:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC) My humblest apologies I am truly sorry, both for my unintended rudeness, and for forgetting NASA's public domain status. Please accept my humblest apologies, and best wishes. Sincerely, Kevin Forsyth (talk) 01:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC) No worries :) See your talk page. Ariel♥Gold 02:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC) You're not in the room again ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 02:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Not at all, your response was exactly appropriate, and your apology is unwarranted. And thank you. I guess you caught me in rabid-watchdog mode, and (to follow the metaphor) I went and bit the mailman on the very day a long-awaited package arrived. Most dogs would be lucky not to be put to sleep after an incident like that. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 02:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Oh psshh, we've all done things similar, please don't worry about it and no need to apologize. Ariel♥Gold 02:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Barnstar The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar For being the kindest Wikipedian I know. That last hug was the final straw. So there! :P There should be [[Category:Friendly Wikipedians]] with a population of one! Enigma message 04:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC) ~*Giggle*~ Just a drive-by hug, you always deserve those, dear! I hope you have a wonderful day! Ariel♥Gold 04:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Wow! I have to say... this is, hands down, the best user page I've ever seen. Not a whole lot of aesthetically pleasing design 'round these here parts. If I knew of an award or had the time (or skill for that matter) to make one, I'd present you with a hundred and ninety-twelve. That's right. A hundred and ninety-twelve. -- Tylerdmace (talk · contr) 06:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC) Well, thank you Tyler! It took me a long time to get it to look how I wanted, lol. (And I mean a long time, I'm not really a code-person) I've done userpages for others as well, but not lately as I had a computer failure and my brain seems to have lost all the table coding knowledge I had managed to gain, hee hee. Thank you for your kind words, and feel free to drop by if you ever have any questions! Ariel♥Gold 17:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC) MIA You've been MIA from the room for days again :-( — Rlevse • Talk • 00:35, 19 November 2008 (UTC) I know! That is because I've got NASA TV on my computer 24/7 for the mission, lol. How was your birthday, dear? Did you do anything fun? Ariel♥Gold 01:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC) I miss Ariel! Yea, had a nice time with the family. We went out to dinner and my daughter baked things for me. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC) She baked "things"? Lol. Dare I ask what? Did you eat them? ~*Giggle*~ Miss you too dear, I got your message though, thanks for the smile that gave me. Did I mention how awesome NASA TV looks on this computer? :D Ariel♥Gold 02:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC) She made a nice cake. It was good. No you didn't mention that but glad you like your new puter toy. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC) "Like" is a monumental understatement, lol. You can't imagine how much fun I've been having! Ariel♥Gold 02:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC) ISS visitor count Just so you know, the number of 164 is probably the pre-STS-126 count. The wikipedia count (which is arguable OR), stands at 167 List of International Space Station visitors. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Kirk Shireman gave the figure of 164, after STS-126 had docked. I'd sure like to find a source that lists something like this for referencing. Otherwise it is, as you said, OR.Ariel♥Gold 01:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Well i (and before me User:Necessary Evil) personally checked that all the astronauts we have listed have been at ISS (because their flight visited ISS), so NASA is plain wrong if they say it is the STS-126 count (Not the first time PAO would have their numbers incorrect), but with the current sources, I doubt this is gonna be easy to establish a proper source for a "total count". Anyways, i was just trying to inform you that this might be an issue that would possibly be raised on the STS-126 article. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Well, you know how often the numbers are off during briefings, and God knows, PAO is often wrong in number items, lol. If you guys counted it up, it does make sense, since there are 3 people on STS-126 that are returning to the station, so 167 sounds right to me. I'll keep scouring for articles, but I would imagine that Thursday there will be some sort of documentation of the 10 year stats, in the RSS feed maybe, or at the least on some of the news sites. I'll change it to 167, with a note that Shireman probably wasn't counting the current mission. ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 01:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC) I have started adding inline mission references for every single astronauts. (seems a tad over the top to me, but Wikipedia can't afford to be wrong i guess :D ) --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Yeah, I agree that seems excessive, but as I discovered when getting List of ISS spacewalks to FL status, for lists, every item should be referenced (if possible). I mean, on the one hand, WP:V says that items that are likely to be challenged need sourcing, and it seems to me that nobody is going to challenge the list of people who have flown in space, visited the station, or performed an EVA, but on the other hand, I do see the point of having sourcing for everything. Makes for a challenge in some cases, though, and a whole lot of citation work for editors, lol. The next list I'm looking to tackle has stuff from the 60s and 70s, so boy will sourcing be a challenge there! :D Ariel♥Gold 02:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Your RFA There are 4 RFAs running right now. All are over 90%. One is a gal and I nom'd her, so now's your time. File that RFA! — Rlevse • Talk • 11:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks I spent the whole evening yesterday to make things clear and update the Expedition crew tables. Not a word of thank you, you just nitpick me because I used the table of NASAspaceflight L2 instead of the NASA press release and didn't notice that there was one crew more in the the first one. I appreciate. Thanks. Hektor (talk) 08:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC) I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. It seems that you take things personally, when edits are not made as personal slights against you, but simply done to improve articles. I don't know what article you're talking about or what edit you're talking about. But rest assured, my edits aren't done to "slam" you or whatever you think, but simply to bring consistency and clarity to articles. Ariel♥Gold 18:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC) The tireless contributor barnstar The Tireless Contributor Barnstar Because in the quite frequent occasion that I see ArielGold on my watchlist or on a page history, I know that Wikipedia just changed for the better. Nat682 (talk) 03:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC) Wow, thank you Nat! That is so very kind of you to say! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 03:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC) Removal of STS-126 Flyaround Animations Thankyou for your edit and adding the link at the bottom to my animation. I spent a long time making it and specifically concentrated on fine tuning it for this article. I specifically added the "low quality" gifs to allow loading in as wide a selection of browsers as possible. They are at least acceptable quality in my opinion and I carefully put in a link in the comment to the high qaulity APNG. Can you at least inform or ask me first before making such a drastic edit ... I believe it is standard procedure to discuss on the talk page first. If NASA produce a higher quality animation then of course it should be there instead. But now there is just nothing ! Would you consider editing back in what you have taken out until such a time as NASA produce this media ? Thankyou. DJ Barney (talk) 16:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC) While I completely understand that it took time, and effort to make the animations, such images, even low quality, are very large and cause long load times for readers, especially those on dial-up or slow connections. (I am on DSL, and those two images took over 3 minutes to load for me.) It is generally not suggested to use that type of animations in articles, per the Wikipedia:Image use policy: "Inline animations should be used sparingly; a static image with a link to the animation is preferred unless the animation has a very small file size. Keep in mind the problems with print compatibility mentioned above." It is for this reason that I removed the animations, as they did not give detail sufficient to warrant adding them to the article. The article is about the mission, remember, and not about the one event, the flyaround. I'm quite sure that today there will be a high resolution version of what the station looked like during the flyaround, which can be added once it is out, but also, keep in mind that "Images must be relevant to the article they appear in and be significantly relative to the article's topic." It is for these reasons that I moved them to a link in the External links section, and instead, a high quality photo can be added once it is available. Please understand that this was not personal towards you, but simply following the guidelines of the encyclopedia. I hope this helps you understand the image policies a bit more. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Ariel♥Gold 16:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks for the reply. According to that image policy the animation can be replaced with a static image linking to the animation. I could easily upload the first frames of the animation to do this. You mention that the animations are not relevant to the topic title. STS-126 carried out the fly around as part of it's mission so I don't know what you mean there really. Again, would you consider reverting your edit ? Or if I do it, will you allow it to stay (with static image in place of full APNG animation) ? Thanks. DJ Barney (talk) 18:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC) A static image until a high resolution is available would be alright, and regarding the pertinence to the mission, nearly every shuttle mission has performed a flyaround, it is as common as docking and undocking, and not specifically relevant to STS-126's mission, especially since the mission did not expand the outside of the station, i.e. no new modules were installed. Hope that clears up what I meant! :) Ariel♥Gold 18:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC) OK. I added in a frame from the animation. I linked to the ani in the comment text. I neglected to mention that the images are from Slow scan TV (linked in the comment) which are of a low resolution type. So apologies for forgetting to explain that. Thanks for your responses and goodluck with editing that article. Such an interesting mission ! DJ Barney (talk) 19:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Good work The Guidance Barnstar I present to you this barnstar, for your tireless, day-to-day, contributions to the STS-126 article. These are obviously resulting in a much better article and are inspiring and guiding other contributors of the same article. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Wow, thank you so much DJ! I missed bumping into you every edit this mission! Hee hee. This is a barnstar I've never even seen before, thank you! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 17:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Just a flyby hug... ...to let you know I appreciate you even when I'm out of touch. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Shir-El too 18:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Hi Shir-El! I hope you're having a wonderful month, and have great holidays! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 02:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC) WP:HSF Taskforces Proposal Hey Ariel, just a quick request - I've put up a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Human spaceflight/Taskforce proposal as to as possible structure for some taskforces for WP:HSF. If you could take a look and see what you think, I'd very much appreciate some feedback! :-) Thanks in advance! Colds7ream (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Paging Ariel Paging Lady Ariel. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC) ~*Big Ariel Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 02:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Your opinion needed Dear Ariel, could you please offer your opinion of the Florida Catholic Newspaper picture being discussed here [2] ? The Florida Catholic Newspaper is published by the Archdiocese of Miami. I took this [3] picture of the newspaper myself and uploaded it with a release to public domain. The picture is part of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Miami page. Done, dear. However, I'm sorry to say I'm not in favor of having that image on the article. lol. Sorry! Ariel♥Gold 02:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC) AfC news Dear AfC participant, Msgj and Tnxman307 are organising the AfC challenge! It's a little competition to help improve some of the articles created through AfC and we are hoping that everyone will get involved. For level 1, you just need to bring a stub up to Start-class. Level 2 is improving a Start-class article to C-class. And so on. To get involved or for more information please see the competition page. Those of you who haven't reviewed an article recently might not have noticed the new process that was implemented this year. Reviewing articles is now more enjoyable than ever :) You might like to give it a try. All articles waiting for review are in Category:Pending Afc requests. (Please read the updated instructions.) Please consider adding {{AFC status}} to your userpage to keep track of the number of articles waiting for review. At the time of writing we are officially backlogged, so help is needed! There is currently a proposal to bring the Images for upload process under the umbrella of WikiProject Articles for creation. The rationale is that both processes are designed to allow unregistered users to take part more fully in Wikipedia, and partipants in each process can probably help each other. If you no longer wish to receive messages from WikiProject Articles for creation, please remove your name from this list. Thank you. Question Why aren't you an admin? J.delanoygabsadds 08:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC) ~*Giggle*~ I have not done an RfA. :) At some point, perhaps I will. Ariel♥Gold 18:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Good luck buddy :P Been barking up that tree for what seems like years now :P Hi Ariel! SQLQuery me! 20:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC) Good to see you! Hey, I'm slow, seeing as how you came back last August, but SOOOO good to see you around again! Montanabw(talk) 00:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC) Hi Montana! Awesome to see you're still around, as well! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 07:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC) MIA Your MIA-ness is going on way too long. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Hey, me, pfft! I'm in there every evening and nobody is around! ~*Cry*~ Ariel♥Gold 07:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC) That's because you keep such strange hours. ;-) Get on regular hours babe. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Join us. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Email I've sent you an email.--AshbeyHappy Holidays Ӝ 18:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Hi Ashbey!! Thanks for the email! I replied :) ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 23:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC) Cookie! Ashbey has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching! Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}! AshbeyHappy Holidays Ӝ 00:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Help need an urgent help with an article that is about to be deleted. please help me!!!! [[4]](Veredcb (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)). And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting! Wherever you are, and whether you're celebrating something or not, there is always a reason to spread the holiday spirit! So, may you have a great day, and may all your wishes be fulfilled in 2009! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC) Is this a combination of my Christmas greeting from 2006 and my New Year's greeting from last year? Why, it most certainly is! Hey, if it ain't broke... Merry Christmas to you, as well, Fvasconcellos!!! And thank you! Ariel♥Gold 19:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC) Merry Christmas Hello ArielGold! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Again, merry Christmas! Ashbey 00:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC) If you don't celebrate Christmas, then happy holidays! Merry Christmas to you, Ashbey! I hope you have a great holiday! Ariel♥Gold 19:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks Thanks for the Christmas greeting - I didn't even need to read the signature to know who'd sent it! :) Merry Christmas to you as well, and good luck in the new year. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC) No...You're just the nicest person around... :) --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks....are you hinting that you want a template looked at?.... --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:53, 25 December 2008 (UTC) Buon Natale! --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:52, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Merry Christmas Ariel! Thank you very much for the cute template. :D GlassCobra 05:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Crew title capitalization I've replied to your message. —Voidxor (talk) 07:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC) Christmas wish Hi ArielGold, thanks for the thinking of me the other day and giving me that Christmas wish. That was very nice of you, and I hope your Christmas was relaxing and pleasant. :) I hope you had a good time. Best wishes. Acalamari 17:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks from me too, Ariel. I hope that you had a good Christmas (or Holidays, if you swing that way) as well, and that you have a good New Year. seresin ( ¡? )  02:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC) Ariel, thanks for the holiday wishes! Hope you are having happy holidays! Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 13:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC) Spacewalks FL demotion I posted a few questions hereabout the work needed to return List of spacewalks and moonwalks to FL status. I noticed you had participated in the demotion discussion. Would you care to comment on my questions? WVhybrid (talk) 04:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Done. :) Ariel♥Gold 22:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC) I replied on the article talk page. WVhybrid (talk) 00:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC) 2009 A very happy New Year, Ariel and wishing you health, happiness, and fulfillment in all you do.(olive (talk) 23:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)) There is very little I could do that would in any way make up for the lessons I have learned watching you work .... As one esteemed Wikipedia editor says of you, there is no one on Wikipedia like Ariel Gold.(olive (talk) 03:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)) LOL! Don't believe that ;) I don't do anything that others can't/don't do as well, or even better! Still, thank you for the kind words, my dear Olive. Ariel♥Gold 16:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC) LOL...OK...but...I stand by my assertion er, well, sit by it... and hugs to you dear Ariel.(olive (talk) 22:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)) Happy New Year Dear ArielGold, I just wanted to wish you and your family a happy new year, however you're celebrating it. Whether 2008 was a good year for you, or if it wasn't the greatest year, hopefully 2009 will be better. Cheers, and happy editing in 2009 :-),  Ashbey  Ӝ  00:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Dear Ariel. How is life? Anyways, I want to wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year. (If you are wondering why I am wishing you a merry christmas now, it's because my computer was not working) -Porchcrop (talk|contributions) 02:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Happy Holidays to you as well, and happy New Year's Eve. Ariel♥Gold 02:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Here for a moment... Thank you for the greeting - just saw it! Hanukkah coincided this year. Went to a 'Showtime' (amateur night) New Year's Eve party. A really good singer gave us "Meet Me in St. Louis, Louis" (hadn't heard that in YEARS!) and 90% of the audience joined-in! I 'pitched' two verses of "Robin Hood" (from the 1955 Adventures of Robin Hood TV series) and got everyone going too! I wish you and yours all the best that this year has to offer: health, happiness, and joy. Shir-El too 21:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC) MIA again :-( — Rlevse • Talk • 00:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC) :-( as well Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC) I'm still here! <3 ~*Big Hugs*~ for both of you! Blame Dread for my absence, I'm so addicted to watching movies on my computer, lol. Ariel♥Gold 14:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC) Hey, I had a part in that too. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC) LOL I know, but I can't very well tell you to blame yourself, can I? Well, maybe I can. It is all your fault, R! AND, Vista has this game, Mahjong Titans, that I've become absolutely addicted to, seriously. I can play it for hours on end, lol. I'm obsessed, and it is all your fault! <3 Ariel♥Gold 13:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC) Archiving web sites Hi Ariel: I don't understand why you reverted the archiving of one of references that you added. Archiving is used to protect reference links that may disappear at a later date (a step that has to be done before the reference disappears.) I archived that reference because it was a commercial reference (USA/Boeing), which is unlikely to remain if they lose the contract to support the Cape. (I added that archive to List of spacewalks and moonwalks, so it was little extra work to add it to List of ISS spacewalks.) If you look at the reference you deleted, you will see it is a copy of the original referenced page. I didn't go to the trouble to create archive pages for the NASA pages, simply because I don't (perhaps naively) think they will become dead links. I used four sources to justify the use of archiving: 1) Citing Sources#Dead links, 2) Citing Sources#Tools, 3) Template:Web_cite#Optional_parameters and 4) the lead paragraph from the WebCite home page. Some background basis for archiving can be found at Web archiving. On a personal note, I'm a little disappointed you didn't discuss your revert with me before you made it. I thought we were working together to raise and keep the 3 spacewalk lists in FL condition. In my opinion, creating reference archives is a step in that process. I hope I am able to persuade you to adopt this practice. All the Best, WVhybrid (talk) 15:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC) The link is not dead, so I saw no reason to have an archived link. If it were ever to become dead, then sure, but that site has missions dating back for 20+ years, and I see no reason it would go dead any time soon. It is not necessary to add archive links when the existing link is active, that's all. Putting the link in the talk page in the (rare) event that the links go dead is a good idea, but having two identical references is redundant. And honestly, I doubt that site would "die" simply because of a change in government, it has been active and online for many many years, and the site is basically already an archive of past mission. I'm sorry I didn't talk to you first, I didn't feel it necessary, since it isn't adding or removing anything from the FL. I understand your reasoning, but the link is not dead, so the addition of a "mirror" URL is not necessary at this point. Honestly I thought that maybe you thought it was a link to something different, so I just figured you didn't realize the existing reference was the exact same thing. No offense was intended, at all, and I'm sorry if you felt offended. Btw, the "Citing Sources#Dead links" link you gave me doesn't exist. I assume you meant to link Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Preventing_dead_links, or perhaps Wikipedia:Dead external links, but honestly, unless a link is dead, I see no reason for adding redundant archive links. The type of links that go dead most often, and what prompted these types of archiving sites, are things like the Yahoo news URLs, Associated Press news release URLs, network news site URLs, those types of links are "disposable", and likely to expire after a matter of weeks. However, a site specifically designed to document past shuttle missions such as shuttlepresskit.com is not going to have those issues, and thus, my reasoning why it is not necessary to put archive links for something like that. I hope you understand, and don't take it personally. Ariel♥Gold 17:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC) You are correct about the bad link. I meant to link to WP:Citing Sources#Dead links. My bad. But there is one point I wanted to make clear. The potentially dead link must be archived before it goes dead. WebCite is an manual operation. An author has to perform the archive step on each web reference that is to be archived. And of course the Cite Web template provides the best place to store that archive link, in case the original reference goes dark. I won't add any more archive links to the ISS page, as that is your preference. But I ask that you not delete any of the archive links I create for the non-governmental references in the base spacewalk article. Thanks. On another note, I would appreciate any comments you may have on the work I've been doing on the spacewalk list. I'd especially like to hear your opinion about the photos I've added to each section that I created. I look forward to working with you on these articles. Let's get 'em back to FL status! WVhybrid (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC) Replied on your talk page :) Ariel♥Gold 18:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC) Thanks for the complement. I didn't do all the formatting. And I really appreciate your comments about the photos along the side of the table. I had made sure each photo had a caption, but I hadn't thought the issue out completely. I'll was thinking about putting a little text or perhaps more photos in each section. But your idea of a table at the end may work better! I will make sure that there are not photos along the side before going for FL. Barnstar The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar For cleaning up Willis McGahee Omarcheeseboro (talk) 03:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC) Thanks, Omarcheeseboro! :) Ariel♥Gold 03:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC) International Space Station Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Talk:International Space Station#The Failed FAC. Thank you. Colds7ream (talk) 22:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC) Question Are you anytime going to leave Wikipedia? -Porchcrop (talk|contributions) 01:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC) I have no plans to leave, no. Ariel♥Gold 12:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC) Damn it. I DON'T WANT YOU STAY IN WIKIPEDIA. -Porchcrop (talk|contributions) 01:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC) That's not terribly nice. SQLQuery me! 03:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Wow, seriously. I've made every attempt to be polite to you at every post you've made on this page, and this is what you post? In the future, please refrain from posting on my talk page, Porchcrop. Ariel♥Gold 14:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Who does not want Ariel to, "stay in wikipedia?" That is crazy talk! Ariel is one of the best editors here (in my humble opinion). I cant imagine what your problem is porchcrop. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 14:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Chris, thank you :) This is actually a past IP editor who was blocked, and since registering has basically been doing most of his editing on this talk page, and it appears that his true colors have shown. :) See Wikipedia:Editor review/Porchcrop for details if you wish to know the history. :) Ariel♥Gold 14:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC) ←Thanks for the background information ariel. I replied on my talk page. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC) I was dissapointed by this response. One step closer to being blocked. Who does not want Ariel to contact them? That is crazy talk. I will keep an eye on him to see if he does anything else disruptive or block worthy. If he makes comments like that again let me know (either through email or talk page). Thanks and hope you had a great weekend Ariel! Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 14:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your Christmas message Dear Ariel, I'm so sorry to respond a whole month after your message, but I thank you very much for your kind greeting. I hope you've had a most enjoyable Christmas and holiday period, and are feeling well of late. best, —Anonymous DissidentTalk 15:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC) It seems to be that Ariel is on a wikibreak since 28 January 2009. -Porchcrop (talk|contributions) 03:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC) I would hardly call not editing for 3 days a 'wikibreak', lol. Hi AnonymousD!! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 12:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC) You were not editing for 4 days, not 3. -Porchcrop (talk|contributions) 01:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Hi again... You probably know about this one anyway, but I know your interest in all things spacial and this has some very good stuff: http://www.sciencedaily.com/. I started a temp job last week and am bushed: 5 hours a day... from 5 to 10 a.m.! I hope you're well and doing well. Take Care, Shir-El too 16:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC) Shir-El! HI! :) So wonderful to hear from you! Five in the morning is waaaayyy too early to go to work! Hee hee, you should see if they would let you go in later, lol. ~*Hugs*~ I hope you're doing well, dear. Miss you! Ariel♥Gold 18:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC) 2008 in spaceflight Hi. There's currently some discussion regarding taking 2008 in spaceflight to FLC. I was wondering if you could possibly comment on this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Timeline of spaceflight. I feel that we could benefit from your experience with the list of ISS spacewalks. Thanks. --GW… 17:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC) List of spacewalks and list of ISS spacewalks ArielG: Feel free update the list of spacewalks when you update the ISS list. Any help is appreciated. B-) WVhybrid (talk) 22:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Doh! Forgot about that one. Thanks WV! Ariel♥Gold 05:05, 11 March 2009 (UTC) Flags A private communication would have been nicer. WVhybrid (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Design work? Hi. :) Long time no see. Hope things are going well for you and yours. I have recently launched a wikiproject, Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup, and I would very much like a barnstar for those who go above and beyond in this area. (There's currently a group addressing around 1,000 articles...yes, 1,000...and I hope to have something in place by the time they finish.) For the userbox, I have adopted File:Checked copyright icon.svg, which might work (if you wanted). Would you be able to design it? It doesn't need to be any fancy-go-to-meetin' barnstar; a workaday barnstar would do. :) I don't even have Photoshop on this computer (sob), so my graphic designer abilities are much limited. If you don't have time or interest, please just let me know. I'll tap somebody else's shoulder. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Ask, and ye shall receive. Ariel♥Gold 17:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Oooh! Beautiful! I knew I was asking the right woman. :D I like the blue background, too. So far as I know, there's no rule against alternate colors. (Aha! gray! green! So blue should be fine! Do you want to implement the change?) Thank you so much! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC) (I went ahead and changed it to blue. I think I did it correctly. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)) I do love it. I've already bestowed it twice. :D And I've put it up on the general barnstar page. (Looks like 1,000 may have been a conservative estimate, by the way. We've just discovered a new category.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC) STS-119/EVA1 Thank you for updating EVA data, not sure how you wanted it... cheers., LanceBarber (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC) The stats have never been put onto a mission page before, it was a good idea, nice little reference note, thanks for the idea! Ariel♥Gold 00:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC) Flag icon Ah. Thank you for letting me know. I had noticed some of the more recent articles, and upcoming rotations, for the ISS crews had the flag icons so I began to add them to the STS ones as well. Most Soyuz crews, at least the recent ones, have flag icons as well. I agree that country doesn't matter in the duty, so I can remove what I added. Is this just for the STS missions, or was it agreed to for the ISS Expeditions as well? SkarmCA (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Absolutely. Thank you again for letting me know. I'll fix up what I changed to fit the MoS agreed on. Also, excellent work on your STS & ISS Expedition articles. SkarmCA (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Ah I see you already cleaned up most of the ISS Expeditions, so thanks. You can leave the STS ones and I'll work through them today so you're not spending time undoing my errors. Moons of Uranus was mainly Ruslik and Seren from WP Solar System. I just helped a bit with copyediting and fact checking. Thanks, though. :) SkarmCA (talk) 16:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Thank You Thanks again for the kind greeting. Now I know what I did, and I can clearly see that it was a few stupid mistakes. Hate it when that happens. At least I now know I have someone to go to if I need assistance, so thanks again for the message, and I will see you as updates come for STS-125! Thenasaman (talk) 17:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC) STS-119 to GA/FA? Hi Ariel. I noticed that with the base STS-119 already has and the sources this article could be made a GAN at the very least. I haven't noticed any other STS or spaceflight missions put through this process. Is there a reason for that? If not I'll be happy to start copyediting and adding additional information over the next few days in preparation for a GAN if you, or any other prime contributer, wanted to nominate it. SkarmCA (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC) I've been meaning to go fix the last few days of the mission, putting in proper article prose and fixing the plain "naked URL" refs that were added, that needs to be done before it would be considered a good article, but I figured I would wait a bit and let things settle out post-mission, allow articles to get published and good refs. I'm not sure why other articles haven't gotten GA, there are a few I've worked on throughout the mission that I think would qualify, STS-120 is the one that comes to mind, there is no reason that couldn't be a GA. I think just nobody has bothered to nominate them? On my list of things to do is to completely re-write STS-114 (I have it about 2/3 of the way done, just haven't finished it) since that was a major milestone in the program and deserves a far better article than is up there now. I think once the last couple days are fixed/filled out, there isn't any reason it couldn't be nominated. Ariel♥Gold 21:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC) I didn't mean to suggest that we could just nominate as is, but most of the STS articles are quite well done in general and wouldn't require complete re-writes to get to GA/FA status. I think it would also spark some interest some of the spaceflight related articles to see them going through the nomination processes. I think one of the things I would try to work on is to see if there's a neat little table we could make for the wake-up call songs that would look less cluttered. I'll see what I can manage, but I also agree with letting the dust settle with 119 before suggesting it was a "complete" article. I'll look over STS-120 like you mentioned and do some copyediting and what-have-you. SkarmCA (talk) 14:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC) Oh, I completely agree that there's no reason at all that some of these articles couldn't go to GA! And I think it would be awesome if some of them did! I know you weren't saying to nom STS-119 as is, sorry if my reply seemed that way, I was just saying what had been in my mind for future things to do, that's all. I agree with the wake-up call section being slightly cluttered, but I'm not a big fan of having a whole bunch of tables in what is supposed to be an article, i.e. prose, and not a collection of tables mixed with text. Already, there is the payload table and the EVA table, breaking things up, but I guess I don't see any other way to make the wake-up call section improved, except to make it a table. *shrug*. That is just a personal aesthetic issue, however, and shouldn't have any bearing on anything. ;) Ariel♥Gold 21:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC) Barnstar suggestion There should be some kind of BLP barnstar for people who work hard on fighting defamation on Wikipedia, whether it's removing uncited negative information, tagging problematic BLPs, taking them to AfD, etc. Any suggestions on how to design one? Would you be able to take a stab at it? Enigmamsg 19:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Hrmm, interesting. Is there a BLP Wiki Project? That would definitely be a good barnstar, and those who do strive to ensure BLP is adhered to should be given a pat on the back, for sure. Let me think, and look through images and I can come up with something. But let me know if there is a BLP project somewhere, or something that would be an umbrella for that? Ariel♥Gold 01:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Looks like the closest thing is Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography, and I don't see that they have a barnstar, at least not right on the front project page. I'll dig around the barnstar pages to see. Ariel♥Gold 01:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Okay I took a quick stab at it, take a look and tell me what you think. Ariel♥Gold 02:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Looks fine to me! If anyone doesn't like it, they can make their own. :P We just need text and we'll add it to the Barnstar page. I know one person I want to give it to. Enigmamsg 03:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Also, the copyright cleanup one has a typo. It says "The The..." It must be in a template somewhere because when I edited the page I couldn't find the place to fix it. Enigmamsg 03:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Fixed the typo, and created the BLP template: Template:The BLP Barnstar, no text needs to be added, the person giving the barnstar does that when they substitute it. Instructions for use on the page. Ariel♥Gold 05:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC) Much appreciated. :) Enigmamsg 06:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC) New barnstar Hi. Could you design a barnstar called "The Helper's Barnstar" please? Use any image you wish and contact me ASAP (as soon as possible) when it is done. Carabera (talk) 14:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC) adoption question Hi there! You seemed to be an experienced Wikipedia adopter, so I'd thought I'd ask you this. I keep making offers to tons of people wanting to be adopted, and nonec of them have replied! What am I doing wrong? --♥Soccer5525♥Talk To Me! 23:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC) I'm not sure :) Are you asking people who have posted looking for someone to adopt them? It could be that they decided they'd try it on their own, or that they found someone else to answer their questions, or that they were not serious about editing and didn't bother to return to check their talk page. Whatever the reason, I would not take it personally. :) Ariel♥Gold 16:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC) Boo! Howdy!  — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 21:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC) Omgosh, TIM!!!! How are you! Are you back? Just popped in to say hi? I hope you're well, I think about you often. Holler at me any time, dear! ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold 10:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC) I'm vageuly thinking about making more of an appearance here. I think about you a lot too. And... did you fail to read my signature?? — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 04:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC) Of course not :) I did that on purpose, hoping to get your attention, lol! I'm ebil! ~*Hugs*~ I miss ya! Ariel♥Gold 18:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC) Edit that 'removed refs' I'd maintain that NASASpaceflight.com is the most accurate source we have, far superior to spaceflightnow... As was my grammar... Colds7ream (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC) Yeah, sorry Colds, initially I thought you had over-lapped my edit, and did not realize that refs were already added. I do, however, not think that NASA Spaceflight.com is very 'layman friendly' at all, compared to William Harwood of CBS, or even the NASA status reports themselves. Harwood writes his articles using common language, and fully explains things, as does NASA, and doesn't assume a reader knows what acronyms are. Bergin does not, at all. In fact, he often uses shorthand and acronyms are never explained, as can be seen from the link you gave. (“MER 4: Intermittent Ascent Minicam Video: During ascent, the crew-cabin video downlink attempts were made, and the crew reported that there was no video available for downlink,” noted the MER report on L2.) He does not explain what MER is for laymen, nor does he explain what L2 is, for someone just clicking that link to see what happened during the spacewalk and has no idea it is another part of the site. All of that is very confusing to an average reader. That being said, I did not initially realize that you'd replaced the refs with the one from Bergin, and I've added it as a separate, third ref. Don't get me wrong, I'm a member of L2, I think Chris gets very timely news and information, but I do not think that it is a good thing to make his the only reference, when his news reports are never, ever, 'layman' friendly. As for the wording of your edit, I think that we need to remember that 99% of the people reading it have absolutely no knowledge of space, shuttles, or missions, and we should strive to use wording that is less technical than what may be given in reports from NASA or other sites. I was aiming for a balance of information, and common language. To say 'Latch Over Centerline kit installation', doesn't give any information to a common reader, and doesn't mean a thing, which is why I did not re-add that. Also, it isn't necessary to add every single small event done on the EVAs, the tables are for general overview, (just like EVA lists) and feature the major events covered in the spacewalk. I did, however, (upon realizing your edit wasn't a cross-over of mine) go back and link the cameras, etc. ;) As for your grammar, I never said anything about that. Anyway sorry for the confusion! Ariel♥Gold 21:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC) Talkback Hello, ArielGold. You have new messages at Colds7ream's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Colds7ream (talk) 21:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC) Accessdate parameter I saw in STS 125 that you added an "accessmonthday" and/or "accessdaymonth" parameter. Please be informed that these are deprecated. The preferred way is to put day, month, and year together in the "accessdate" parameter. Thank you, Debresser (talk) 22:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC) I use a program that formats refs. If it uses those, then that program needs updating. It does not at all affect how the reference dates are viewed, however, so it is not a big deal. Ariel♥Gold 07:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Hello, ArielGold. You have new messages at Debresser's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. EVA 4 Okay. I was basing it on an Aero-News Network article from this morning (it may also be in the NASA TV schedule, I'm not sure): [5] On Sunday, starting at 9:16 a.m., astronauts Mike Good and Mike Massimino will repair the Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph and install the New Outer Blanket Layer during the fourth STS-125 spacewalk. --Josh Atkins (talk - contribs) 13:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC) NASA have tweeted it: [6]. However it seems the EVA is going to start about half an hour late [7]. --Josh Atkins (talk - contribs) 13:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)