Talk:Wedding of Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, and Daniel Westling

Handing over

The couple wanted king to lead the crown princess to the altar and there hand her over to the groom. This created a public debate in Sweden, as it's contrary to the established customs of the Church of Sweden, where bride and groom walk up to the altar together. Critics among the clergy held that the symbolism in handing over the bride from father to groom reflects reactionary societal norms, as if an unmarried woman is the property of her father and is about to turn into the proprietary ownership of the groom.[17][18] The Royal Court defended the handing over with the statement that, "the king conveys the heir to the throne and hands her over to a man who has been accepted".[17] In the end a compromise was reached, with the king handing over the crown princess to her groom before they reached the altar.

The way in which this is worded complies in every way with the antiquated notion of a bride being "property".

The person who wrote this, for this article has chosen the words "lead" and "hand over" without referencing them. I feel fairly certain that what princess Victoria wanted was to be "escorted" by her father "to stand by" her husband-to-be, and not "handed over". Other people chose to read "leading" and "handing over" into this. " In fact, the "handing over" was much more apparent with the compromise, than it would have been if her father had escorted her all the way to his side.

The real crunch comes in the question "who gives this woman to be married to this man?" At a wedding I was at this was asked as "who brings this woman to be married to this man" to which the bride's whole family yelled "we do" and the groom's mother responded loudly "and we bring K....!" This puts a very different slant on what is meant by taking a bride to the altar. Was this question asked at this wedding?

Amandajm (talk) 02:19, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Final sentence in 1st paragraph

What is the point of including this information, especially as part of the summary at the top of the page?

• In time for the wedding, a joint monogram of their initials was created.[4]

It seems very out of place to me.

Ed8r (talk) 16:00, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Please add them!2003:DA:CBF2:6086:C144:5B0A:C0CE:4D82 (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

You can add what you want added yourself, the page is not protected. Don't forget to provide reliable sources. --Marbe166 (talk) 18:21, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 4 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 05:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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• Wedding of Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, and Daniel Westling → Wedding of Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel Westling
• Wedding of Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark, and Mary Donaldson → Wedding of Crown Prince Frederik and Mary Donaldson
• Wedding of Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway, and Mette-Marit Tjessem Høiby → Wedding of Crown Prince Haakon and Mette-Marit Tjessem Høiby
• Wedding of Harald, Crown Prince of Norway, and Sonja Haraldsen → Wedding of Crown Prince Harald and Sonja Haraldsen
• Wedding of Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece, and Marie-Chantal Miller → Wedding of Crown Prince Pavlos and Marie-Chantal Miller
• Wedding of Hussein, Crown Prince of Jordan, and Rajwa Al Saif → Wedding of Crown Prince Hussein and Rajwa Al Saif

– Per WP:CONSISTENT, WP:CONCISE and this discussion. estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as these moves don’t signify where the marrying royal is from. For example, "Crown Prince Pavlos" doesn't show that Pavlos is a royal from Greece, whereas "Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece" does. I understand the reason for these suggested moves, but I think it is important to include the country names. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:32, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Fine as is. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Support I don't see the need for excessively formal titles in the article's name or the need to include country names. I did a quick search for the first item on this list (the Swedish couple) and what I get in return is in line what's proposed. Examples 1 2. Killuminator (talk) 19:36, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - The full title should be in the name.BabbaQ (talk) 22:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.