Talk:Wanda Maximoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Roma background

This article should cover discussion about this portrayal's lack of Roma background. Sources exist here: [1], [2], and [3]. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Worth noting that with her questionable parentage her Jewish identity has also been brought into question, at least in the comics where she had such ties for so long. And also that technically every version of Wanda is a different Wanda from a different dimension, that is how Marvel has handled things since at least the '80s. DC too, the Silverage Superman had slightly different powers actually, and died before I was born. As much as I dislike it, comic companies do be retconning shit, kinda constantly. 142.120.128.74 (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

American

I don't really see how or why she is called "Sokovian-American", when there has been no proof of her obtaining American citizenship. In fact I seem to recall in Civil War them questioning her ability to stay in the States if she did not go along with the Sokovian Accords. We have as much proof of that as her being Sokovian-Scottish/British, so it just seems like American-centric original research. 142.120.128.74 (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Removed in the absence of reliable sources. —El Millo (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Did it in the time it took me to right the other comment, well done. 142.120.128.74 (talk) 02:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a footnote there explaining that she is not shown in any MCU media to have obtained any other citizenship. BD2412 T 02:55, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary. Perhaps a hidden note indicating not to add any other nationality without a reliable source. —El Millo (talk) 03:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

That would prevent people from changing it, but wouldn't inform readers who may be confused. I mean, they're not even doing the accent anymore. BD2412 T 03:34, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

A change in the accent doesn't mean a change in nationality in any context. Olsen has said that the accent change will be explained or even play a role in WandaVision, but we are still in the realm of WP:OR. We would need a reliable source to take note that the nationality hasn't changed, otherwise it's a non-notable clarification. Readers can be confused about many things and that's not enough reason for a clarification. In any case, their confusion would go away after seeing her "actual" nationality and click the link for more information. —El Millo (talk) 03:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced good-faith revisions

There's some recent unsourced albeit good-faith and possibly constructive edits to this page. I'm unaware of the rules regarding source in plot details, so it would be great if a editor well-versed in that field could check these diffs out. Thanks! Chlod (say hi!) 14:37, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

'Post-credits' tag

@Facu-el Millo: Why would you say it’s unnecessary? The ‘first appearance’ has been changed by IPs and other users quite a lot, thinking Wanda's first appearance is Age of Ultron, so I would think the clarification is helpful. IronManCap (talk) 00:25, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that IPs changing it is a reason good enough (I haven't seen it happen myself but I'll take your word). For me it's just unnecessarily cluttering the infobox with information that's not relevant enough for it. Let's call more people into the discussion though. Pinging @InfiniteNexus, BD2412, Favre1fan93, Adamstom.97, TriiipleThreat, and Trailblazer101:, though it might not be that important, if they want to chime in. —El Millo (talk) 00:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Definitely doesn't seem necessary to me. Just say the film that she first appeared in and then explain further in the body of the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @(a)nnihilation97 and Yoohoo Mayhem: (a)nnihilation97 if (s)he would like to contribute. IronManCap (talk) 00:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Yoohoo Mayhem has been blocked for sockpuppeting. —El Millo (talk) 01:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I think it should be included. The MCU is noted for having post-credit scenes, though it is rare for new main characters to be added in one (the only other ones I can think of are Nick Fury and Thanos). I think it's useful to indicate that this is not a character appearing in the body of the film, so a reader interested in seeing the origination of the character won't sit through a film where that character only appears for a few seconds after the credits. BD2412 T 01:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo, InfiniteNexus, BD2412, Favre1fan93, Adamstom.97, TriiipleThreat, and Trailblazer101: Can we revive this discussion? I don’t really see any reason not to include it, it doesn’t fill up the infobox too much and is a helpful clarification. IronManCap (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I am suggesting this purely from a casual reader’s perspective. IronManCap (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I continue to think it should be included. It was a teaser appearance of literally a few seconds with no dialogue and no identification of the characters. The character as a character was introduced in Civil War. BD2412 T 21:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@BD2412: Not to be picky, but she was introduced in Age of Ultron. Sorry, I know I’m pedantic. IronManCap (talk) 15:25, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think this needs to be included, as a first appearance is still a first appearance whether it was a major role, a supporting role, a cameo, a flashback, or a post-credits scene. Looking back at this thread, if IP users changing it is the main concern, then I would recommend adding an invisible comment for clarification. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts haven't changed, I don't think it needs to be included. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Same here. —El Millo (talk) 04:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, it seems consensus has been reached. IronManCap (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

New image

What about using a new image of Wanda from Civil War/WandaVision (Scarlet witch outfit). The image is of AOU Wanda is old now and this costume is not used by her more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.253.131 (talk) 13:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC) @InfiniteNexus, BD2412, Favre1fan93, Adamstom.97, TriiipleThreat, and Trailblazer101: Pls share your opinions

This can work. I've uploaded a new image of Wanda, But I'll investigate before officially uploading it on this exact page. ChannelSpider (talk) 02:57, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

It's too big, and it's got the wrong license. That's a piece of non-free media. —El Millo (talk) 03:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

That's right, Milo. But that's pretty much my experience with Commons. You can re-upload it. ChannelSpider (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Naming convention

This is something I noticed not just in this article but many others related to fictional characters; especially ones originating in comics. How come Wanda is referred to by her last name rather than her first name? I'd understand if she were a real person, but Wanda is clearly a fictional character. Given Wikipedia policy of using the "common name" for characters, should the title refer to Wanda by her first name, throughout? Especially given that she's so rarely referred to by her family name. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 13:16, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

We use last names in order to be consistent in how we refer to characters, otherwise it would be weird to refer to everyone by last name and only her by first name. There are a few exceptions, the one I remember is Yondu Udonta, who we call "Yondu" instead of "Udonta", but that's because that last name is rarely, if ever, mentioned across the films, so it is practically unknown for a general audience. We do refer to Wanda Maximoff by name when she's mentioned along with her brother Pietro, in order to differentiate between the two, as it is done in the Avengers: Age of Ultron plot summary. But the Maximoff surname is generally used in the films, so it is generally known. We could consider Wanda an exception as well, but we'd need a consensus for that from those who commonly edit MCU articles. —El Millo (talk) 13:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I remember that up until a few years ago, the MCU referred to characters by their first name. It was only recently that this changed to using characters' last name isntead. Yes, this does appear to be an MCU-wide problem. The issue is that I've also seen this problem "bleed" into other franchises / characters as well. For example, Giselle from Fast and Furious is referred to by her last name throughout her article; despite the fact that her last name isn't even brought up in the films but only in Production Notes. Would it be better to place this under discussion in the MCU's talk page, or go somewhere else on Wikipedia? --PanagiotisZois (talk) 16:49, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Definitely the MCU task force. Different franchises operate differently. —El Millo (talk) 18:22, 27 September 2021 (UTC)