Talk:Catholic Church in India

Ecclesiastical Provinces

I changed it to a buletted list. Numbering is synonymous with ranking of the provinces. --Victor 18:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the list can be moved to another entry directing it from here. So that we can have room on more to talk about the History of Roman Catholicism in India and the contemporary situations. Any comments on that? Cheers ώiki Ѕαи Яоzε ^†αLҝ 22:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

done ώiki Ѕαи Яоzε ^†αLҝ 12:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Honest Question

Why is it called ROMAN Catholicism in India? If you are talking about the Latin Rite Only I might see the connection but we never call it Roman Catholicism. It is just Catholicism, or if we need to differentiate, we call it Latin Rite Catholicism or just the Latin Church. However, this article seems to be refering to all Catholics in India, Syrian Rite as well as Latin Rite and I also know of a hand full of guest Greek Rite Churches that use the Slavonic language which I do not understand of course but still, they are just as Catholic. Maybe I just do not understand your naming conventions in the English langauge but it seems to me that the article should just be Catholicism in India and include every kind of Catholicism in India. If you want to make an article about just the Latin Church centered in Rome as it exist in India then Maybe Roman Catholicism makes sense but a better name would be Latin Catholicism in India. Maybe I am being too technical but I just do not see how the name Roman Catholicism can be used and not cause a misunderstanding or hard feelings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.127.251.137 (talk) 02:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know but I agree, I think it is because there are like two Anglicans on wikipedia who refuse to call us anything but Roman Catholic - funny since "Roman" Catholic was coined by reformation Anglicans to distinguish us(and I am Eastern Catholic not Latin Catholic) from the protestant state church. I am editing the content to remove "Roman" and replace it with Syromalabar etc when needed. Zaynaq (talk) 17:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I guess it would best to move the article to Catholic Church in India. Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 12:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Nestorianism

The part relating to the Nestorians (Saint Thomas Christians), under "Arrival of the Portuguese," needs to be rewritten.

In particular, it says:

Most of them were following Nestorianism, which essentially viewed Mary, mother of Jesus Christ as a human being. This was in sharp contrast to the beliefs of the Latin Church which saw Mother Mary as Blessed Virgin Mary and Mother of God.

The phrase "mother of Jesus Christ as a human being" could be greatly misunderstood if the sentence is read with an implicit comma ("...Nestorianism, which essentially viewed Mary, mother of Jesus Christ, as a human being.") Obviously, everyone -- Latin or not -- believes that Mary is a human being.

Nestorius objected to the saying that "God was born," "God suffered," "God died" and so forth. So thus, he opposed to the common title of Mary as the "Theotokos" or "God-bearer" ("Mother of God"), proposing "Christotokos" as an alternative.

So what the sentence is trying to say is that Nestorians believe that Mary is only mother of Jesus' human nature. Opponents of Nestorius said that this was making Jesus into two people -- a human person and a divine person -- and essentially denying the Incarnation, as they understood it. Nestorius was excommunicated at the Council of Ephesus in 431.

I don't know how this sentence could be rewritten but trying to summarize a major theological debate in the Early Church on the nature of Christ in two sentences is rather difficult. Perhaps the paragraph should simply link to the article on Nestorianism rather than trying to summarize Nestorian beliefs.

Also, Nestorianism is already summarized earlier in the article, under "Early Christianity in India":

Later, when the Western missionaries reached India, they accused this community of practicing Nestorianism, a heresy that separates Christ's divinity from his human nature.

This is not a bad summary. So perhaps this second summary of Nestorianism could simply be removed.

After all, this introduces a conflict in the article. The broader part of the quote I just used says:

Later, when the Western missionaries reached India, they accused this community of practicing Nestorianism, a heresy that separates Christ's divinity from his human nature. However, many historians have rejected that the community was Nestorian and assert that this community was indeed practicing the Catholic faith in East Syriac traditions, before the arrival of European missionaries.

But then later in the article, it says:

They made contact with the St Thomas Christians in Kerala, which at that time were following Eastern Christian practices and were under the jurisdiction of Church of the East. Most of them were following Nestorianism, which essentially viewed Mary, mother of Jesus Christ as a human being. This was in sharp contrast to the beliefs of the Latin Church which saw Mother Mary as Blessed Virgin Mary and Mother of God.

So were they or were they not Nestorian at the time? The article says "many historians" (this also needs a added) "have rejected that the community was Nestorian" but then later says "Most of them were following Nestorianism." So which is it? 50.125.90.241 (talk) 00:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Catholic Church in India

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• From Caste system among Indian Christians: Christian Castes Encyclopædia Britannica
• From Thomas the Apostle: "Saint Thomas (Christian Apostle) – Britannica Online Encyclopedia". Britannica.com. Retrieved 2010-04-25.

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Check the article Roman_Catholicism_in_the_Vatican_City for an example of how to improve and expand the article. WP:WIAFA and/or WP:WIAGA may also help after this. Ncmvocalist 12:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC) Unfortunately we cant redirect the page to India like Roman Catholicism in the Vatican City redirecting to Vatican City, isnt it? ώiki Ѕαи Яоzε †αLҝ 13:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC) Please note that I want you to check the content of the article (ignore the irrelevant details like the fact that the page redirected) I wanted you to check the content of the article, and note how it has been written, how it has been organised, how comprehensive it was and so on. However, I'm not sure why I cited this particular example that was on a city (??). Still, I remember feeling (and still do feel) that the article did not have enough material needed for a comprehensive article. Although there are several citations (which is good, as long as the sources are both reliable/verifiable), and some areas of the article are covered very well, it has very little material under some headings (eg; "Pre-Catholic Christianity" and "Ecclessiastical Provinces"), suggesting that the article has not fully treated that topic under those headings. More detail is needed to make it comprehensive, (but take care not to make it too too much detail either). The Jammu and Kashmir of 2007 is a good example of an article that is rather comprehensive. It fully treats the different topics under its headings. Once this article treats the different topics fully, this article will receive a B grade upon reassessment. Keep it up! Ncmvocalist (talk) 13:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Thanks, these comments are much helpful compared to the one given earlier. Cheers Wiki San Roze †αLҝ 14:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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