Talk:North Wales Main Line

WCML

This line is part of the WCML! It should be merged immediately! Dewarw 18:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Trains' serivce on this line is treated by them as a branch of their WCML service, but they are not the only operator. Arriva Trains Wales is the main operator, with hourly services to both Holyhead and Llandudno, whereas VT only have six return services as day. Further, Network Rail's route diagram (route 18) does not include the NWCL: it is part of route 22 (North Wales and Borders). There is no need to merge these pages. Ansbaradigeidfran (talk) 21:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, no evidence that North Wales Coast Line is not the Commonname and using Official names is not WP policy. Additionally, this article should be properly sourced first before worrying about the title. Mike Cline (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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North Wales Coast Line → North Wales Main Line – Per official name by Network Rail. Also merge Crewe and Chester Line. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 22:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose for now at least. What's the common name? See WP:official names. Andrewa (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
  • The most common according to Google is NWCL although NWCML, NWL and NWML are all common as well. Simply south...... having large explosions for 5 years 19:46, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 24 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved (closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs (talk) 21:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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North Wales Coast Line → North Wales Main Line – Change in name used in multiple sources, per WP:COMMONNAME which states prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). WP:NAMECHANGES can somehow also apply per the 2012 discussion above stating the infrastructure operator Network Rail uses the term[1] if determined as the time of an (official) name change, and now many reliable secondary sources have since followed suit. Such use of the term "Main" over "Coast" was greatly apparent and increased following recent announcements, which overwhemingly used "Main" over the last 12 months. Google Trends also backs the change, although Google has issues per WP:WIAN, while there is not enough data for Ngrams and Google Search can be skewed by feeds and the game dlc.

Prefer "Main Line" as separate words for consistency with West Coast Main Line and South Wales Main Line. Because of the sheer use of "Main" in the recent announcements, I raise this RM to at least test the waters, but some still use "Coast" and this can be skewed on recent events, but it was overwhemingly for "Main". Plus "Coast Line" can be confused for "coastline", but that is minor.

Sources reviewed: Review period October 2022–October 2023 [2] [3] [4]

Sources using current name North Wales Coast Line: NWRAIL Railway Touring StatsWales TfW Blog Deeside.com Nation.Cymru[5] Rail Business Daily Visit Wales Travel Trade Birmingham Mail Rail Advent

Sources using alternative name North Wales Main Line or "North Wales Mainline": Daily Post[6][7] New Civil Engineer Rail Advent Leader Live[8][9] ITV News[10] Herald Wales Welsh Government NWTC[11] North Wales Pioneer[12] Bangor Aye UK Department for Transport[13] Wrexham.com BBC News[14][15] Deeside.com Wales Online Business Live Insider Media Rail Journal[16] The Guardian Rail Business Daily West Wales Chronicle Sky News Construction Enquirer iNews Cambrian News LBC Denbighshire Free Press Nation.Cymru Wales247 Wrexham.com

"Main Line" is preferred in this proposal for consistency with similarly named articles.

Other: Nation.Cymru ("north Wales main railway line") New Civil Engineer (both) Daily Post (both) Visit Wales ("North Wales Coast Railway")

While Transport for Wales Rail uses "Coast" on their Network Map it expands to Birmingham via Shrewsbury, so more descriptive of a service rather than the subject of this article. Nonetheless is only one source and a mere passenger operator rather than owner of the line.

Other stats:

• Google Trends (do not rely on alone per WP:WIAN) There are searches for Main Line and almost none searched for Coast Line over the last 12 months.
• Google Ngrams no data is found except for Coast Line, so no comparison can be made, plus only up to 2019.
• Google Search not performed, skewed by unrelated news feeds (for now) and the dlc for Train Simulator Classic, and general use possibly based on Wikipedia's usage, while being discouraged for other names under WP:WIAN.

If there are any issues with the links, please raise them. Diolch! DankJae 00:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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