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General election pages draftsEdit

I've started the following drafts; Draft:1979 United Kingdom general election in Wales , Draft:Next United Kingdom general election in Wales and would appreciate any support in their development. Thanks Titus Gold (talk) 16:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

It's difficult to make any comment when there's no content in either of them. Sionk (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
I do not understand what the information requirement is that we would be seeking to fill with these pages. These are not Welsh elections but UK elections, and if we just draft them by copying text from the UK pages on the subject, then its just a POVFORK. I think there is an encyclopaedic subject in "How Wales Votes at General Elections" (but that is not my proposed title of the page. That needs some thought). It is of interest, for instance, that the Conservatives historically are usually second placed but never win, and that Wales has voted Labour since time immemorial. It is an interesting subject as to how liberalism became so firmly embedded a century ago, and links with non-conformism etc. I would suggest that this would be a useful article to look at if no such article already exists. I don't think there is much to be said for forking UK general election articles though, and trying to individually find a Welsh context. All you will find is Wales voted Labour even when England voted Conservative. Better that this be placed in a broader context that can be treated encylopaedically. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 06:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
I suspect you're looking for something like a Political culture section of Politics of Wales, ala Politics of New Zealand#Political culture. Currently, the History section provides some coverage, but not as a focus. CMD (talk) 07:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Generally I despise these sort of pages created years in advance of an event whose date is not yet known. The Next United Kingdom general election article is bloated with info not about the next general election. But there's a reasonable case for starting Next United Kingdom general election in Wales because one thing we know for certain is there will be a drastic reduction in representation by the time we get another vote. Sionk (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
It fails WP:10YT. This is an encyclopaedia, not a current affairs site. I would presume information about the representation is better placed in some fuller article looking at the subject in the round. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
@Sionk, Well it's not 100% certain, in the unlikely event that a early snap election is called and held before the final new boundaries are confirmed (likely confirmed early-mid next year?). But indeed most likely will be applied for the next GE. There is a section on the reduction at UK Parliament constituencies in Wales. Most of the other UK GE in Wales articles are short, usually on just the results (may be add "results" to their titles tbh), so the "next" article is quite early. Although opinion polling since 2019 (done at a Wales-level) may be suitable there? DankJae 14:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Of course. I notice there are already articles about the next Senedd election and the next Scottish parliament election, not until May 2026. Filled with micro detail about stuff tangentially related to the election(s). Crazy. Sionk (talk) 21:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Slate industry in WalesEdit

Slate industry in Wales could do with some expert eyes to ensure it keeps it's FA status. It's in a pretty good state, but could do with a few more citations, especially at the end of paragraphs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Voice of Clam 21:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Citations seem ok at a glance. Removed one non-cited sentence and replaced it with a cited sentence. The paragraph could do with perhaps one or two more sentences on the effect of unemployment etc. Titus Gold (talk) 20:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Ebbw Valley Railway articleEdit

For the transport ones among you, this article is currently a Good article, but also needs updating for South Wales Metro possible changes - I don't really like a GA to have a tag! I was considering delisting but thought this might be better/easier/quicker! Please do help update it, with sources, of course, if you can. Thanks. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 17:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Post copied to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways. Voice of Clam 21:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

“New articles”Edit

The “New articles” section on the Project page has listings going back to January 2017. It should probably be trimmed to include only articles created in, say, the last 6-12 months, or some other equally arbitrary cut-off. Any objections? KJP1 (talk) 07:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd have thought so; yes to trimming. Geopersona (talk) 10:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Sounds sensible. The project is active enough to have a 12 month cut off, at least. Sionk (talk) 11:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Fine - I’ll trim those prior to 2021. I hadn’t noticed, but you’re quite right, the DYK doesn’t seem to be working. We’ve certainly had more recent Welsh ones than are shown. KJP1 (talk) 11:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Don't mind the trimming too, definitely noticed more DYKs at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Article alerts than the DYK section. The new articles section seem to be missing many articles too, from what I've seen over the last few months, so that section is not fully updated either. DankJae 20:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Welsh Dragon Article RatingEdit

I think Welsh Dragon has probably moved beyond start class. Anyone care to propose a re-assessment? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I've just done it. – PeeJay 23:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for that @PeeJay. Glad that co-operative editing on the article led to a big improvement, thanks @Sirfurboy for working with me. Titus Gold (talk) 00:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

FAR noticeEdit

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Irreligion in WalesEdit

A new page just created. I have posted something on the talk page, Talk:Irreligion in Wales, asking a question about whether this constitutes a POVfork. Consensus may well not agree with me, but would appreciate if interested editors took a look to see what they think. Per WP:DONOTDEMOLISH, I will take any precipitate actions. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:44, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Welsh cricket teamEdit

Hi, Titus Gold moved in this edit, Wales national cricket team to Proposed Wales national cricket team citing no evidence of a competitive team except for 'friendlies', this follows their pre-mature merge and re-write of the article when trying to save content from Campaign for a Wales cricket team which was AfD' in September. I have since re-directed Wales national cricket team and similar pre-existing redirects to Cricket in Wales as the re-written 'proposed' article seems no longer a suitable choice for various links from existing/former cricketers or historical mentions, to a potential future team. An IP at Wales national cricket team tried to restore the article from redirect, being reverted for being unverified, which is why I raise it here. Plus what happens to Wales women's national cricket team.

Has a Welsh cricket team existed? and enough sources for an article? The article prior to pre-mature merger had a lot of unverified information which TG removed and concentrated with proposals. Other articles do mention a earlier team (hence my redirecting), so should this move be reverted? Or the two pages split? although it would essentially be a copy of AfD' Campaign for a Wales cricket team. Or should the move stay? Although seems to be some cleanup needed. I don't know a lot of sporting history. Thanks DankJae 22:57, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

As far as I have researched, there currently is no competitive Welsh cricket team, only the senior-friendly team. Welsh cricket teams have previously existed but not regularly since the 1930s it seems. I have no opposition to splitting the article or moving some relevant info or redirects to another article. I researched both previous teams and proposals for a new competitive team. I retained all cited info on the previous existence of the Welsh team and did look for further citations, adding any I could find. There doesn't seem to be much info at all available on previous teams. I welcome further research, additions or other proposals. Titus Gold (talk) 23:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Bold move should be reverted and a move discussion started. This needs a consensus established. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:10, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
There have been Welsh cricket teams, but I don't have a problem with redirecting. Deb (talk) 10:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
This restoration of the article should simply be reverted. We've had a AFD discussion which concluded the article should be merged. Reviving the article under a different name is subverting the AfD process, surely! Sionk (talk) 23:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
With the old title restored, the article still is slanted to the proposals. Any more info on the historic team? It would be of great help. Thanks DankJae 19:43, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. We don't want that either. Deb (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Northern Council for Further Education#Requested move 7 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Tidying WP:Wales stub categories and quality assessmentsEdit

As a Christmas/new year activity I have started tidying the stub article mismatches in WP:Wales. For example, where a mainspace article has a stub template but the WP assessment is Start, in most cases the stub template can be removed. (There are about 1800 articles that are candidates for this treatment). Similarly there are mismatches in Stub and Start classes as articles have been improved over time and not reassessed. Many Stub assessments are now clearly Start or C quality. Finally I have been assessing the Unknown importance and quality articles. (About 200 done, 200 remain). If this is causing any problems, please get in touch. welsh (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I started a discussion a few months ago at Talk:Holt, Wrexham#Village vs Town over whether it is a town or village. Any participation is welcome. Probably should've raised it earlier but forgot. Thanks DankJae 13:09, 27 January 2023 (UTC)