Talk:Israel Resilience Party

Merger proposal

I propose to merge New Right (Israel) into Hosen Yisrael. I think that the content in the New Right (Israel) article can easily be explained in the context of Hosen Yisrael, and the Hosen Yisrael article is of a reasonable size that the merging of New Right (Israel) will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Midrashah, Libertarian Wing&action, and Jay942942: Notifying involved contributors. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Why would you want to merge the articles? They are about separate parties; New Right is the one formed by Bennett and several other Jewish Home members, not anything to do with Gantz' party. Number 57 23:33, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I am not seeing much relation between the two articles. Given the New Right will have electoral representation within the next few days, it would not make sense to merge it into another page, especially for a party that currently does not have representation.--Jay942942 (talk) 23:38, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

My mistake.. I was confused. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

New title

Party spokespeople have confirmed that the party's official name in English is Israel Resilience.[1] News media have followed suit.[2][3][4]

Assuming no objections, we should proceed to rename this page accordingly. --Precision123 (talk) 20:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I created this article under the current name and after reading the source i also agree with moving the article to its English name.Midrashah (talk) 23:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done --Midrashah (talk) 19:12, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I would, however, change it to Israel Resilience, rather than Israel Resilience Party. We do not usually include the word "party" unless it is part of the name (see, e.g., Likud, Meretz). Agreed? --Precision123 (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@Precision123: I have moved it to Israel Resilience MarkZusab (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I just moved it back and would prefer other editors provide input. Israel Resilience Party appears to be the official English name and what the majority of media sources refer to it as. MarkZusab (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I disagree. The word "party" is often put in lowercase here, indicating that it is not part of the official name of the party. (It is true that this is not done consistently, but there are also sources that capitalize the P in "Likud Party" [rather than Likud party], even though it is not part of the official name. Since it is not part of the name here, I would change it back to Israel Resilience. --Precision123 (talk) 21:26, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

The source says the sopkesperson indicated the official name in English includes the word Party, so the title should include it. --Midrashah (talk) 13:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Did you see my point above using the example of Likud? Also, the very source that the spokesperson is reported in—The Times of Israel—has since been using the word "party" in lowercase.[5][6]

According to the Associated Press, the party name was registered officially as "Israel Resilience."[7] Sometimes for stylistic preferences writers capitalize the word "party" after the party name (e.g., Meretz Party vs. Meretz party), but unless it is actually part of the name, it is typically lowercase. (The only party I can think of with it in the full name is the Israel Labor Party.) Other sources like The New York Times, CNN, The Economist, and the AP are also simply using Israel Resilience. --Precision123 (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

When the source The Times of Israel specificlly cited the sopkesperson it used it uncluding Party word. In other cases the newspapers used it without, but it was not while citing the sopkesperason, and could also be kind of writing style, and here on wikipedia we wonna use the official name. --Midrashah (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Also, as for the example of Likud etc., it never claimed in the first place to have included the word Party in the party name, so its irrelvent. --Midrashah (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Not irrelevant. The word "party" does not appear in "Hosen L'Yisrael" at all, just as it does not appear in the "Likud." I just laid out not one but several sources that either do not use the word "party" or use it in lowercase—including The Times of Israel. Not to mention the Associated Press quoted what the party is officially registered as: "Israel Resilience"—the word "party" not part of the official name. --Precision123 (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

In Hebrew חוסן לשיראל does not include the word party, but In English it does, according to The times of Israel, and that source uses uppercase [8] when citing the sopkesperson. If you can bring an addtional source that will cite the spokesperson for the party or anybody else officially connected to either Gantz or the party, which cites that person stating the name of the party without the word Party or uses that with lowercase, then we could talk of changing the title of the article. --Midrashah (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

political alignment

Hi. Since there is no official or unofficial statement from the party or its leaders regarding the political alignment, except for an old interview with a general statement about the irrelevance of those very same definitions, I think that the party's political position should be described as "Unknown" until we know something else. משה פרידמן (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Since I see no objection here, and also in the Hebrew Wikipedia and Wikidata, and after waiting enough time, I'm changing the political position to unknown. משה פרידמן (talk) 17:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I Object. there sources quoting his positions. --Midrashah (talk) 20:29, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

This source doesn't say whether he is right, left or center. "Center" is by no means an average of right and left on different issues. Furthermore, the source explicitly expresses his opinion on the irrelevance of those definitions, hence cannot be a valid source to categorize him on this invalid scale (according to him). משה פרידמן (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Again, I see no response here or in the Hebrew Wikipedia that explains your position, and the reason you undid my edit. I have no intention to fight over this, so I'll leave it to you, Midrashah, and to your personal dignity, to decide. משה פרידמן (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 21 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 01:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

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Israel Resilience Party → Blue and White (political party) – Blue and White was dissolve to its parties: Telem, Yesh Atid and Hosen (Resilience) when Resilience inherited the name Blue and White. So the political list is now just one party: Resilience party. Today Blue and White changed its logo, distancing itself more from the alliance. This is a similar situation of what happened with Tkuma and National Union. National Union was a political alliance of serval parties but after it dissolved it was Tkuma party who inherit its name "National Union - Tkuma" (and was refer to just as National Union). Furthermore, Resilience Party don't have election symbol, the previous election symbol פה‎ was belong to Yesh Atid party. So I think we need to make order and split the articles. Sokuya (talk) 11:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

We can make the 'new' Blue and White the main page, with an added section for Hosen L'Yisrael. Nevertheless, I agree that there should be changes when it comes to the seperate articles Rh0809 (talk) 11:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. The situation seems rather confusing, but we currently have articles at Israel Resilience Party and Blue and White (political alliance) and that seems good to me. Andrewa (talk) 09:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm unsure where Blue and White (political party) should point, either Israel Resilience Party or Blue and White (political alliance) would do but whichever it is there must be a redirect hatnote template there to point to the other. The DAB at Blue and White will also need some work. Andrewa (talk) 09:08, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Keep the articles as they are for now, but mention in both (particularly the article for Blue and White (political alliance)) that with the exit of both Yesh Atid and Telem from Blue and White, the lines between the Resilience Party and Blue and White have blurred considerably. --Autospark (talk) 14:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@Andrewa, Autospark, Rh0809, and David O. Johnson: 1. Do you have a source that Israel Resilience still existe? 2. And that Blue and White became a party? --Panam2014 (talk) 17:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Point 1 is clearly irrelevant... we have articles on many things that don't exist any more, such as the British Empire.

Point 2 is a bit more complex but also irrelevant. Our article title policy follows what people do call the organisation, not necessarily whether it is or was technically a party. (But that doesn't seem to be a question for me in any case.) Andrewa (talk) 18:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@Andrewa: Point 1 is relevant because we need to update the article.--Panam2014 (talk) 18:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

It's irrelevant to this RM. Andrewa (talk) 00:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Andrewa: it is relevant to decide to move or not.--Panam2014 (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Point 1 asked for evidence that Israel Resilience still existe. How does that influence the choice of the title for an article on the topic of Israel Resilience Party? If you are wanting to change the scope of the article, that's a different discussion. But in view of the complexity of the story, it seems a good topic to me. Andrewa (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Blue and White (political party)

Blue and White כחול לבן‎
File:Blue and White - 2021.png
Leader	Benny Gantz
Founded	29 March 2020 (2020-03-29)
Headquarters	Tel Aviv
Ideology	Zionism Social liberalism
Political position	Centre
Colours	Blue   Dark blue   White
Slogan	Benny. Choosing Honesty.
Knesset	13 / 120
Most MKs	15 (2020)
Election symbol
כן‎
Website
kachollavan.org.il
Politics of Israel Political parties Elections

References

Blue and White

@Number 57: there are no proof that Israel Resilience Party is still active. Like Yamina, Blue and White replaces Israel Resilience Party. --Panam2014 (talk) 23:38, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Panam2014: I don't think this is the case. Israel Resilience did contest the last elections, running under the name "Blue and White" (see the text at the bottom of the CEC list: "The list of candidates was submitted on behalf of the Israel Resilience Party."). It's possible that Blue & White still exists as a coalition, but now has only one party within it. Number 57 17:21, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@Number 57: is it the same for Yamina? The problem is Resilience does not have a website in 2021. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's the same for Yamina – if you look on their CEC list, it states the list was presented by Tzalash (the legal name for New Right). Re Israel Resilience, it seems their official Facebook page (here) is still going, albeit under an 'Israel before all' title. It's all a bit messy tbh. Number 57 17:35, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@Number 57: but the color of Resiliance have been changed. Could you change it? --Panam2014 (talk) 19:22, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Has it? Where is the proof of this? You can change it yourself at Template:Israel Resilience Party/meta/color. Number 57 19:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@Number 57:Here. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

It looks like that is Blue & White branding. Number 57 19:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

They changed the name of the party in Hebrew

In Hebrew they changed the name by adding Blue and White in the start (כחול לבן חוסן לישראל), would this change the name in english to "Blue and White Israel Resilience party" or to " Blue and White Resilience for Israel party"?

They changed the name of the party in Hebrew

In Hebrew they changed the name by adding Blue and White in the start (כחול לבן חוסן לישראל), would this change the name in english to "Blue and White Israel Resilience party" or to " Blue and White Resilience for Israel party"? Netanel9530 (talk) 23:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

"Centre-right"

User:David O. Johnson, in general, the Israel Resilience Party is mainly regarded as a centrist party; however, it has also been evaluated as "centre-right" or "centre-left". I provided sources here. Bakbik1234 (talk) 20:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Update tag

@HapHaxion:, could you explain why you added the Update tag to the article (or add a reason parameter)? I'm not sure what needs updating otherwise. Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Mainly the party's colors, website (if applicable), having any applicable sections reference its new name since 2023 (not sure if moving the article would be appropriate) and any recent activity aside from having joined the war cabinet, as the history section for 2022 to now seems sparse. HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 00:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate it. David O. Johnson (talk) 00:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)