Talk:Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)

Edit request - correct some of the casualties data

It seems that the numbers of deaths under casualties and losses is different than the numbers in the referenced articles.

1. Please change "20 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)" to "14 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)" as these are the numbers mentioned in the sources. 2. Please change "89 civilians killed in Lebanon" to "82 civilians killed in Lebanon" as this is the number used in the source. 3. Please change "15 Syrian civilians killed" to "10 Syrian civilians killed". Source 31 is very outdated and mentions only 5 killed civilian and probably should be removed. Source 32 is more up to date and mentions 10 killed civilian. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 10:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - change to "11 civilians killed in Israel"

Please change in the infobox from "10 civilians killed in Israel" to "11 civilians killed in Israel". Source used is source 38. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 10:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The numbers are updated Waleed (talk) 02:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Drine on a mall

you have to add: https://www.ynet.co.il/blogs/244dayswar 2.55.181.101 (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 8 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 17:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) → Israel–Hezbollah war (2023–present) – 173.72.3.91 (talk) 15:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Change article name to Israel–Hezbollah war (2023–present) 173.72.3.91 (talk) 20:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

its more of an attrition conflict than a war since no battles have happend yet Waterlover3 (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Level of fighting does not deem it so. Borgenland (talk) 16:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose – Not officially a war yet. Chomik! (talk?) 16:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose – as WP:FUTURE. Hogo-2020 (talk) 07:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Comment – fighting between Israel and hezbollah has been going on for more than 8 months — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.3.91 (talk) 20:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Note that unsigned IP editor was the same proponent of this poorly-written proposal. Borgenland (talk) 05:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Might add that, in move requests, the nomination implies support for the rename. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 02:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose No Battles, No changes in territory (frontline), although casualties are heavy enough to be considered a war but that alone doesn't constitute a valid reason Waleed (talk) 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hezbollah

hezbollah death toll is 338/339 KIA. However I agree is not a all out war for it to be labeled as such. Conflict remains satisfactory term for now till however long. 109.144.19.150 (talk) 17:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

That death toll is approx 342-344 as of now. Hezbollah 91.216.55.150 (talk) 13:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Evacuated parts of northern Israel on the map

I would recommend changing the color of the dashed line to something that contrasts more with the blue, if possible. Alternatively I suggest coloring the area a different shade or striping it. Evaporation123 (talk) 19:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

https://www.newsweek.com/us-issues-warning-israel-lebanon-border-1912323 this source mentions that 200k israelis have been deplaced from northern israel Waterlover3 (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Waterlover3, I've added the updated number Waleed (talk) 02:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - add an updated number of deplaced people

https://www.newsweek.com/us-issues-warning-israel-lebanon-border-1912323 this source mentions 200k israelis have been evacuated from northern israel since oct 8th i think its best we add this number rather 96k from all the way in december 2023 Waterlover3 (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Done Waleed (talk) 02:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

IDF casualties

What happened to IDF casualties? They used to stand at 21 dead, now its 19. Has there been a revision towards lower death toll? Gorgedweller (talk) 12:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 June 2024

add Yahya Sinwar to Commanders and leaders section as Hamas is in the Belligerents section and he is the leader of Hamas 173.72.3.91 (talk) 03:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Change the nb of casualties

The Israeli Representative to the UN announced that 150 Israeli Soldiers were killed and 15.000 were wounded on the northern front InfiniteValrath (talk) 02:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

source please? Waterlover3 (talk) 09:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

https://x.com/lironza/status/1804549664693199140?s=46 At around 40 seconds from the account of the consul general of Israel Slicer2101 (talk) 14:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

can we get this updated plz - 150 deaths and 15k injured. seems accurate as it was 2k causalities from the first 2-3 months before northern hospitals stopped reporting

https://x.com/lironza/status/1804549664693199140?s=46 Shawarma313 (talk) 07:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - change 19 soldiers killed to 18 soldiers killed

Hi, in the casualties it says: "19 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)". Please change it to "18 soldiers killed (3 non-combat)", as this is the number used in the refrenced article.

In the description of the amount of Israeli soldiers casualties the article is being cited as:

"Fifteen soldiers and a local security officer have also been killed in attacks claimed by the Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups on the border with Lebanon since the fighting started... The military's list also includes a soldier killed by friendly fire in the West Bank, a soldier killed due to malfunctioning ammunition on the Lebanon border, two soldiers killed in a tank accident in northern Israel, and a number of other deadly incidents amid the war but not directly related to the fighting."

But the "soldier killed by friendly fire in the West Bank" part isn't relevant to this article (and also covered by another wikipedia article here).

Additionaly, I suggest shortening the added description only to the relevnat parts:

"Fifteen soldiers and a local security officer have also been killed in attacks claimed by the Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups on the border with Lebanon since the fighting started... The military's list also includes ... a soldier killed due to malfunctioning ammunition on the Lebanon border, two soldiers killed in a tank accident in northern Israel"

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 09:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

you lost all credibility when you said "Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups" Waterlover3 (talk) 11:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

They're quoting this article [1] Chomik! (talk?) 13:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the quote that already appears in this wiki article, not something that I wrote. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I think the number includes the security officer killed. I clarified that in the infobox. Chomik! (talk?) 14:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure? As I understand it, there are 15 soldiers and security officers that have been killed in combat. In addition, there are 3 that were killed due to non-combat incidents (but related to the Hezbollah-Israel conflict).

Anyway, thank you for the clarification that tou have made. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 08:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - update Hezbollah and allies casualties

Hi, there are some mistakes in Hezbollah and it's allies casualties:

1. Please change in Lebanon from 389 to 289 Hezbollah members. Reason: According to the source - "total death toll of Hezbollah fighters to 350". Reducing the 61 killed in Syria results in 289 not 389 (probably a typo).
2. Please change "450 Hezbollah members" to "350 Hezbollah members", for the same reason.
3. Please change "18 civilians killed in Syria" to "15 civilians killed in Syria". Reasons: Source 36: "since the war on Gaza in October ... two civilians dead" for 2023. Source 37: "13 civilians ... dead" for 2024. Together it sums up to 15.

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 09:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Name change?

In the inevitable event of an all out Israel lebanon/hezbollah war, would it be better to rename to war instead of conflict? DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 13:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024

add July 2024 section to events as July has began and this conflict is still ongoing 173.72.3.91 (talk) 20:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 Already done PianoDan (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024 (2)

Hezbollah CLAIM their death TOLL is 359 (latest) , the source (l'orient) claims 450 which ONE IS TRUE? 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:30A5:AD39:AF36:CDE (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)