Talk:Harry F. Ward

Latest comment: 5 years ago by Aboudaqn in topic Confusion about middle name

Do I have this right? edit

The indications of bad faith about this article are longer than the article and no one has tried to discuss the problems. I cast a pre-emptive vote against deletion as the editor(s) who would delete the article are not assuming good faith. JimCubb 02:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • @JimCubb:: It's been 12 years since you posted your Talk question regarding Harry F. Ward: do you feel the issue has resolved by now? --Aboudaqn (talk) 15:57, 16 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

Confusion about middle name edit

@Daask: Thank you for taking the time to add that informative note to this entry regarding the middle name of Harry Ward: Harry Frederick Ward Jr.[a]
That said, I was about to add "Miscellaneous" or some such section at the bottom of the entry to call out this confusion more clearly (to help others), as well as to add the variation in the InfoBox – when I saw to my surprise that his father was "Harry Freeman Ward, Sr." which leads one to think that his birth name may indeed have been "Harry Freeman Ward, Jr." Now, in that period of the late 1800s and early 1900s, I have seen some people use "Jr." not only if father and son have same first name and same-only starting letter for their middle names (e.g., this case). I've even seen people who name their children "Jr." after an uncle. My only question here is whether you have determined definitively that Harry Frederick Ward, Jr., was indeed born with this name...? A search in Google Books revealed two more, even earlier sources in favor of your findings so far (that Ward's middle name "Freeman" only appears after his 1939 Dies Committee testimony): 1) Studies in Politics, Government and International Law, Volumes 1-3 (Washington: Catholic University of America Press, 1943) on page 153, and 2) The Dies Committee: A Study of the Special House Committee for the Investigation of Un-American Activities, 1938-1944, Volume 2 (Washington: Catholic University of America Press, 1945), also on page 153. Respectfully --Aboudaqn (talk) 16:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Aboudaqn: My recollection is that Duke[5] cited his birth certificate. I don't think this is significant enough to warrant mention outside of the footnote. Daask (talk) 16:49, 16 August 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Daask: Agreed: I'll leave standing. FYI, I just added a new source (Ward's papers at Columbia) and earlier had added the Dies details.--Aboudaqn (talk) 20:07, 16 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

Notes

  1. ^ Numerous sources attest Ward's use of this name throughout his life.[1][2][3] However, minutes of his questioning before the House Committee on Un-American Activities record him saying his name as "Harry Freeman Ward".[4]

References

  1. ^ Duke 2003, p. 3,231,245,255.
  2. ^ Ward 1918, Title page.
  3. ^ Craig 1992, p. 186.
  4. ^ Ward, Harry F. (1940). "Investigation of Un-American Propaganda Activities in the United States: Hearings before a Special Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, 75th Congress, 3rd session-78th Congress, 2nd session, on HR 282". US GPO. p. 6213.
  5. ^ Duke 2003.